Now that Kobe is nearly out of the league, how does he rank all time objectively?

[34-24 Footwork]

Honest question. Who has similar accolades and team success that had more of an impact than Kobe? How do you personally gauge "impact"? Stats? eye test? Both?

He does neither. He believes that Lebron leading the heat to the biggest ass whooping in finals history while scoring 28ppg against the Spurs bench is a better accomplishment than winning Kobe having a bad game 7 in 2010 even though he won the championship.

You can't debate people like this...he's literally praising losers.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Goddamn you Kobe stans come in like a house of fire at any sign of someone not sucking his dick like you guys.

I didn't say he was easily replaceable. Read the conversation again. I said Shaq was MORE irreplaceable. These are not even close to the same thing.

Nor did I ever say he was carried by Shaq. I actually said that Shaq wouldn't have won without Kobe. So that Lebron/Kobe meme has no part in this argument. Unless it makes you feel good to post it. If so, then by all means...


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I didn't say Wade/drexler > Kobe. Kobe from 03-09 is why he's in my top 10. I just think you could take any elite SG and the 00-02 Lakers still win.

And no, Penny is not the type of player I'm talking about. And no, 95 Shaq =\= 2000-2002 Shaq. There's no double standard you just don't understand context or what I was saying at all.


o rly?

[Beastmode88]

:applause:

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YIKES :roll: :roll:

[Showtime2001]

YIKES :roll: :roll:
:D :D

:cheers:

[ShawkFactory]

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o rly?
Yea. Then I went on the list the type of players I meant when I said elite.

[ninephive]

Now that Kobe's nearly gone from the league, all most of his insane stans dispersed. How do you rank Kobe all time? I have the following players higher or going to be higher than Kobe all time later on.

Michael Jordan
Magic Johnson
Larry Bird
Kareem Abduljabbar
Wilt Chamberlain
Lebron James
Tim Duncan
Shaquille O'Neal

Kobe Bryant


I think 9th all time is a good rank for Kobe.
I completely disagree with your rankings and yet I completely agree with Kobe as #9.

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I completely disagree with your rankings and yet I completely agree with Kobe as #9.

2 players who loss more than they won on that list have higher rankings. Lol. Y'all need to relax.

[GoSpursGo1984]

still ahead of Lebron

[KingBeasley08]

1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Wilt Chamberlain
4. Bill Russell
5. Magic Johnson
6. Larry Bird
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Tim Duncan
9. Kobe Bryant
10. LeBron James

[Prime_Shaq]

1) Michael Jordan
2) Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3) Bill Russell
4) Magic Johnson
5) Larry Bird
6) Shaq
7) Tim Duncan
8) Wilt Chamberlain
9) LeBron James
10) Kobe Bryant

[ImKobe]

Yea but many consider Duncan a top 5-7 player of all time. So it's not the same.

You could replace Kobe with any elite SG and likely have the same results.

any elite SG? How many all-time great SGs from age 20-22 would 3-peat with Shaq and produce like Kobe did? It was only one-sided in 2001, where Kobe put up peak Jordan numbers in the first 3 rounds and led the team in total winshares for the most dominant Playoff run ever..Wade at the same age wouldn't be able to do what he did in 06.

you put 06-10 Kobe with prime Shaq and they have multiple runs similar to 01. That's why I find it ridiculous when people try to hate on Kobe and take accolades away from him for "only winning 3 with Shaq", when they played 8 total seasons together with Kobe being 17 years of age during the draft and Shaq being out of his prime by 04.

[ShawkFactory]

any elite SG? How many all-time great SGs from age 20-22 would 3-peat with Shaq and produce like Kobe did? It was only one-sided in 2001, where Kobe put up peak Jordan numbers in the first 3 rounds and led the team in total winshares for the most dominant Playoff run ever..Wade at the same age wouldn't be able to do what he did in 06.

you put 06-10 Kobe with prime Shaq and they have multiple runs similar to 01.
My original point has kind of been lost here.

All I initially meant is that for how dominant Shaq was at that time in his career, I don't think he necessitated someone quite as good as Kobe. Kobe, on the other hand, might have needed someone like Shaq to win at that time- given his age and the maturity issues he often showed.

Given the choice for the player you want on your team in those 3 years, Shaq is the answer. Kobe was pivotal for winning those titles...but Shaq is still the clear answer.

3-peating doesn't necessarily require 2 top 10 players, and I don't think it would have as long as Shaq was there.

And I actually have Kobe one spot above Shaq on my all-time list.

[ImKobe]

My original point has kind of been lost here.

All I initially meant is that for how dominant Shaq was at that time in his career, I don't think he necessitated someone quite as good as Kobe. Kobe, on the other hand, might have needed someone like Shaq to win at that time- given his age and the maturity issues he often showed.

Given the choice for the player you want on your team in those 3 years, Shaq is the answer. Kobe was pivotal for winning those titles...but Shaq is still the clear answer.

3-peating doesn't necessarily require 2 top 10 players, and I don't think it would have as long as Shaq was there.

And I actually have Kobe one spot above Shaq on my all-time list.

Yes it did, the runs were very close in 2000 and 2002 despite Kobe and Shaq both playing at a very high level (2000 Portland that came down to Kobe blocking Sabonis and Lakers coming back in the 4th in Game 7, Finals Game 4, 2002 Kings series with the Horry shot, winning Game 7 on the road in OT).

Shaq got swept in the Finals when he had Penny and Horace Grant, got swept the next year by the Bulls. Lakers had 4 all-stars in 98 and couldn't get past the Jazz because Kobe wasn't in a starting role yet.

Shaq individually might be the more valuable piece to build your team around in terms of producing more regular season wins and the fact that it's easier to build around a big man, but Kobe at his peak is just as valuable to me because of his ability to close games whereas Shaq was a liability at the line and needed someone to get him those easy looks inside.

[Mr. Jabbar]

4-7

[RRR3]

2 players who loss more than they won on that list have higher rankings. Lol. Y'all need to relax.
Almost every player in history lost more than they won. Russell's celtics are an outlier.

[G0ATbe]

Top 1.

[kennethgriffin]

http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/post/_/id/11090247/all-nba-players


kobe is around 7th

Rank em: all time Nba Players Vote:

1.Michael Jordan

2.Magic Johnson

3.Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

4.Larry Bird

5.Wilt Chamberlain

6.Bill Russell

7.Kobe Bryant

8.LeBron James

9.Tim Duncan

10.Shaquille O'Neal






the people have spoken

[AirBourne92]

Future negged. This post is littered with bullshit and contributes nothing to a legitimate discussion. **** off.


shut the *** up you piece of shit

truth hurts dont it?

go cry about it puzzy aszz ninja

[24-Inch_Chrome]

shut the *** up you piece of shit

truth hurts dont it?

go cry about it puzzy aszz ninja

I'm sorry, I don't speak red bar.

[AirBourne92]

I'm sorry, I don't speak red bar.


thats cause you speak biiiiiitch

[AirBourne92]

I'm sorry, I don't speak red bar.


thats cause you speak biiiiiitch

[SourSamCassell]

thats cause you speak biiiiiitch
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negged

[AirBourne92]

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