ESPN just exposed LeBron

[Hamtaro CP3KDKG]

:roll: @ all the LeBron Stanleys,*"B-b-b-b-b-ut it's not HIS fault that he faces the competition that he faces. :cry: "

Never heard this excuse when ya'll were sh*tting on the Mamba for the "sh*t" Eastern Conference opponents he faced in the finals (which look downright legendary compared to the crap that LeBro has faced most of his career). :pimp:
The funny part is how much they talk about Lebron never losing in the 1st round considering the complete garbage he faced there. Now they sayin this:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: hypocrites.:oldlol:

[Hey Yo]

Wow...I had NO CLUE ESPN would do this. Holy shit. The thing is, this is a LEGIT conversation with the NBA Execs. It needs change.
Me neither.

Why would they include Kobe's sidekick years, instead of starting it the year after Shaq got traded?

Shaq was the captain / leader / go to guy in LA until he was traded.

[Done_And_Done]

Nothing new to see here.

Everyone knows LeBron has had a red carpet laid out to the finals year in and year out. It's probably one of the chief reasons he has opted to remain in the East.

I don't need this data presented to know what has always been clear as day. The path one takes to advance to the finals in the East is a fricken joke in comparison to the West for the most part (baring injuries)

Anyone defending LeBron in that regard has their blinders on.

Tldr - Nothing against his greatness, but the dude has had it much easier than his colleagues in the West. Much easier...

[Done_And_Done]

The funny part is how much they talk about Lebron never losing in the 1st round considering the complete garbage he faced there. Now they sayin this:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol: hypocrites.:oldlol:

Anyone praising series wins against the pathetic likes of the Bucks and Bobcats are individuals not worth debating or socializing with.

[Hey Yo]

Something fishy about ESPN leaving Shaq off that list. He should easily be in double digits, close to like 15.

[Hey Yo]

Anyone praising series wins against the pathetic likes of the Bucks and Bobcats are individuals not worth debating or socializing with.
People have been praising Magic for years for doing the same against like competition.

:confusedshrug:

[Done_And_Done]

That's the prerogative of the blind.

Don't ever expect me to glorify the beat down of a sub 500 team.

[IllegalD]

People have been praising Magic for years for doing the same against like competition.

:confusedshrug:

I believe this L is yours, good sir. :cheers:

[Hey Yo]

I believe this L is yours, good sir. :cheers:
Naaaaaaa.......just stating facts about Magic.


btw, Kobe only 9 wins against 50 win teams w/o Shaq.

[IllegalD]

Naaaaaaa.......just stating facts about Magic.


btw, Kobe only 9 wins against 50 win teams w/o Shaq.

How many for Shaq without Kobe...? :confusedshrug:

So still more than LeBron? :lol

[Done_And_Done]

Also...... On the topic of first round defeats.

Since 2009 the records of LeBron's opposition in comparison to the West of the same seed is

Lebron = 278-280

West= 316-242

[pegasus]

I know you're just a hater and will hate on Lebron no matter what, but that's what I posted in another thread regarding Lebron and west and it touches content of your post.

So Lebron plays in the East, fck it.

Should he go from Miami to some Western team this past year so he could finally get some credit? But where could he go to receive some credit if he wins though?

He goes to Houston (Howard, Harden) ---> stacked
He goes to San Antonio(Parker, Duncan, Leonard, Ginobili) ---> stacked
He goes to LAC ( Griffin, Paul) ----> stacked
He goes Warriors (Klay, Curry) ----> stacked
He goes to OKC, don't even need to continue

So where should he really go to play? He can't stay in Miami, Wade and Bosh 2 superstars---> stacked so if he wins anything means nothing.

He joined a team from the bottom in the east, yes then Love came but he is out for the playoffs, and he still doesn't get any credit on here from you guys?

So he should really only play for some Western bottom team with a 2nd option being a player like Udrih or something similar. That's when he would finally receive just a little bit of credit from all you guys?

Well goddamn the standards he is held to are higher than even Jordan, Bird, Jabbar, Magic together could only dream of......
Why does he have to go to a team that is already a contender? Was Dirk-less Mavs a contender in 2011, or Kobe-less Lakers in 2010 or 2009, or Pierce-less Celtics in 2008?

[DMAVS41]

Also...... On the topic of first round defeats.

Since 2009 the records of LeBron's opposition in comparison to the West of the same seed is

Lebron = 278-280

West= 316-242

Jesus.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Me neither.

Why would they include Kobe's sidekick years, instead of starting it the year after Shaq got traded?

Shaq was the captain / leader / go to guy in LA until he was traded.

Kobe from 08-10 still has more than lebron :roll: :roll:

16 as the leading scorer

4 more while averaging 25+ ppg

[Andrei89]

Lebron > Kobe

Dont know why there are 11 pages of this.

The Lakers won 24 against 50+ wins teams and not Kobe

Miami and Cleveland won 7 against 50+ wins teams and not Lebron

But when you look at the individual himself. Lebron >>> miles ahead of Kobe Bryant

At least 7 rings by the age of 35 if he had Kobe's teams.

[Dro]

This.

Just for once can the LBJ apologists accept that certain things about him are all hype. :facepalm
Right, cause I'm and LBJ stan/apologist:rolleyes: Let's not forget, I'M the neutral one, YOU GUYS are the stans...I see something thats stupid as hell and there's 15+ pages about how a guy hasn't beaten more 50 win teams than other guys, when that guy has absolutely no control over that whatsoever. Now tell me that you would give 2 damns if you weren't a Kobe fan/stan...I hate calling people stans because it feels so disrespectful to me, but some of you are beyond ridiculous...Stans only jump in topics when it seems beneficial to their favorite player. Me though? I jump in all these topics and take whatever stance seems to make the sense to me, and this topic is stupid to me.

[Done_And_Done]

Jesus.

The 7th seed in the West the past 2 years has been 50-32 in compared to some filthy numbers I'm too lazy to pull up right now.

[Dro]

Doesn't really damage him in anyway, just put things into perspective. Especially after LeESPN shoving the "best playoff closer", "five consecutive finals" agenda down our throats
Well, I can agree with this..But thats your beef with ESPN. So why is everyone bashing Lebron for it like its his fault? Thats MY point....

[Dro]

:roll: @ all the LeBron Stanleys,*"B-b-b-b-b-ut it's not HIS fault that he faces the competition that he faces. :cry: "

Never heard this excuse when ya'll were sh*tting on the Mamba for the "sh*t" Eastern Conference opponents he faced in the finals (which look downright legendary compared to the crap that LeBro has faced most of his career). :pimp:
Who is this ya'll? Ya'll sensitive mofos need to name names because you sure as *** ain't talking about me.

I think all the stans should have their own forum where y'all just argue back and forth stanning and sh*t. Then maybe you'll stop getting legit posters mixed up with the "stans"...:confusedshrug:

[Dro]

Anyone praising series wins against the pathetic likes of the Bucks and Bobcats are individuals not worth debating or socializing with.
Dude made a good point. No matter what team in the West he went to, they would be stacked when adding him. And the criticism would still come his way. Fact is, stans of Kobe, Durant, Westbrook, and Jordan specifically. These 4 groups don't like Lebron and make up probably 90% of the posts in this thread clowning him for this dumb sh*t..

[Dro]

Why does he have to go to a team that is already a contender? Was Dirk-less Mavs a contender in 2011, or Kobe-less Lakers in 2010 or 2009, or Pierce-less Celtics in 2008?
So let me get this straight, he's supposed to purposely go to a sh*tty team, just to please you internet folks, rofl. Oh, and how good was Cleveland last year? In fact, they've been horrible since he left. Now he's back and all of a sudden, they're "stacked"...This forum is so stupid sometimes. The amount of stannery is borderline kiddy and stupid as hell. But every other NBA forum sucks so I'm stuck here....

[TheMarkMadsen]

Also...... On the topic of first round defeats.

Since 2009 the records of LeBron's opposition in comparison to the West of the same seed is

Lebron = 278-280

West= 316-242


:biggums: :biggums:

[Rose'sACL]

wouldn't lebron play on a western conference team to play all those 50 win teams?
Given that everyone says that there are good teams that don't make playoffs in the west, it is very much possible that lebron would have landed on a good team if he got drafted in the west. Other than wolves and kings, all west teams have been able to get their stars quality help.

This just proves that lebron would have had better teams for most of his career if he played in the west which would result in better success. Just imagine lebron being drafted by the lakers, spurs or mavs. He would have a great front office as well as coaches like carlisle, pop or phil jackson. If you want to use the "east is weak" excuse then put lebron on the teams that your favorite player played on throughout his career and think how he would have done.He might have not gone to 5 consecutive finals but he would have gone close to 5 finals by now in total while winning more than 2 given that "east is weak". On top of all this, east has always played better and more physical defense so lebron's stats would also look better too.



Dude made a good point. No matter what team in the West he went too, they would be stacked when adding him. And the criticism would still come his way. Fact is, stans of Kobe, Durant, Westbrook, and Jordan specifically. These 4 groups don't like Lebron and make up probably 90% of the posts in this thread clowning him for this dumb sh*t..
this.

[TheMarkMadsen]

Kobe from 08-10 still has more than lebron :roll: :roll:

16 as the leading scorer

4 more while averaging 25+ ppg


http://stream1.gifsoup.com/webroot/animatedgifs7/2954520_o.gif

[Dro]

wouldn't lebron play on a western conference team to play all those 50 win teams?
Given that everyone says that there are good teams that don't make playoffs in the west, it is very much possible that lebron would have landed on a good team if he got drafted in the west. Other than wolves and kings, all west teams have been able to get their stars quality help.

This just proves that lebron would have had better teams for most of his career if he played in the west which would result in better success. Just imagine lebron being drafted by the lakers, spurs or mavs. He would have a great front office as well as coaches like carlisle, pop or phil jackson. If you want to use the "east is weak" excuse then put lebron on the teams that your favorite player played on throughout his career and think how he would have done.He might have not gone to 5 consecutive finals but he would have gone close to 5 finals by now in total while winning more than 2 given that "east is weak". On top of all this, east has always played better and more physical defense so lebron's stats would also look better too.



this.
Actually, you make an excellent post. Since he's been the weak east, he's also not had the luxury of playing for the best front office's. Even in Miami, people criticized Riley for not having any other talent around him other than Wade and Bosh. People clown Chalmers, they clowned Cole, they clowned basically everyone on the team not named Birdman, Wade or Bosh. They even clowned Haslem, I remember it happening right on this forum. How stupid the Heat were for not getting a legit center. How Lebron wasn't going to beat Indiana because they couldn't match up with their front court. On and on. I'm telling you, stans really ruin any potential basketball discussion because they only take the side of their idols. Not open minded whatsoever.

[34-24 Footwork]

Why is this thread still alive? Lol. It's over. Seriously. True basketball fans didn't need these numbers to know the difference between the two conferences.

[Milbuck]

It's really not that big a deal until people start hyping up the finals appearances. He just hasn't had the competition in the EC to meet this 50 win opposition criteria. Which isn't really his fault. But it does make it silly to act like 5 finals appearances in that conference is some historic feat that no one else could've accomplished. This 'stat' shouldn't be used to disparage him directly, it's just meant to highlight the context of what he's doing.

[34-24 Footwork]

Actually, you make an excellent post. Since he's been the weak east, he's also not had the luxury of playing for the best front office's. Even in Miami, people criticized Riley for not having any other talent around him other than Wade and Bosh. People clown Chalmers, they clowned Cole, they clowned basically everyone on the team not named Birdman, Wade or Bosh. They even clowned Haslem, I remember it happening right on this forum. How stupid the Heat were for not getting a legit center. How Lebron wasn't going to beat Indiana because they couldn't match up with their front court. On and on. I'm telling you, stans really ruin any potential basketball discussion because they only take the side of their idols. Not open minded whatsoever.

Then you same stans clowned the same players and said they sucked. Not Bosh, Wade or Chlamers fault that Lebron ball freezes them out of the offense.

[ArbitraryWater]

Wow, 2012 Pacers had the #5 best record in the NBA :eek: :applause:

[sd3035]

Lebald and his stans are getting absolutely bodied in this thread :roll:

[Rose'sACL]

Then you same stans clowned the same players and said they sucked. Not Bosh, Wade or Chlamers fault that Lebron ball freezes them out of the offense.
bosh isn't elite at anything other than mid range. he got mid range jumpers. why would you let bosh drive to the basket when you have wade and lebron on the team? Wade's decline has been more related to health rather than lebron.
also, heat were below .500 before bosh got injured. wade played more games than he played in 2013-14. heat discovered whiteside and got dragic after all star break. This heat team had wrose record than PG less pacers and celtics who just liked to trade players. apparantely pacers and celtics could do better than a team who had wade play close to 70 games and bosh play half the season.

[34-24 Footwork]

Serious question:


If another Lebron led team gets their shit caved in in a similar fashion to the 2014 Spurs (worse beatdown finals history), where would that place LeBron among the all-time greats?

[34-24 Footwork]

bosh isn't elite at anything other than mid range. he got mid range jumpers. why would you let bosh drive to the basket when you have wade and lebron on the team? Wade's decline has been more related to health rather than lebron.

Geez Man. Give up bro.

Bosh is a great basketball player. The offense has to go through him. He's offensively elite. The offense has to go through him. Similar to how it HAD to go through Gasol. Bosh was BETTER than Gasol when they were in Toronto and Memphis, respectively. Dude averaged 24 and 12 before he left for Miami.

[Rose'sACL]

Geez Man. Give up bro.

Bosh is a great basketball player. The offense has to go through him. He's offensively elite. The offense has to go through him. Similar to how it HAD to go through Gasol. Bosh was BETTER than Gasol when they were in Toronto and Memphis, respectively. Dude averaged 24 and 12 before he left for Miami.
we all saw how great offense is when it goes through bosh. they were below .500 before he got injured.
Are you saying that east = west because bosh couldn't do shit in east for 7 years so either east is too tough of a conference or it just might be that bosh is good stats on bad teams type of guy.

[BlazerRed]

Well duh.. the East has sucked ever since Lebron has been there.

[LeBird]

Point still stands...your an idiot, but then again your a LeStan, which basically means the same thing.

You're* one of the stupidest posters on this board. That's two posts in a row calling someone an idiot and not being able to write at 5th grade level. All-time facepalm shit. Don't talk to me until you learn how to spell.

Sleep with that L until it warms you at night.

[Fudge]

BirdLe

Shut the fvck up, ok? It's getting late, turdnugget.

[LeBird]

Yeh, nah.

Your homie is getting cold, give him a hug.

[The Iron Sheik]

what is this supposed to prove? does this mean that lebron is any worse a basketball player before espn posted this statistic?

[JerrySeinfeld]

what is this supposed to prove? does this mean that lebron is any worse a basketball player before espn posted this statistic?

nah, just lessens the impressiveness of making the finals 5 straight times.

[raiderfan19]

Dirks got 11

[pastis]

Dirks got 11

Thx. Lol @ Bird and bron

[Leroy Jetson]

You guys are never gonna settle the Kobe vs. Lebron debate. This should close the book on the Duncan vs. Bird debate. Duncan had more titles with less help, he did it longer against clearly better overall competition.

[HOoopCityJones]

It's really not that big a deal until people start hyping up the finals appearances. He just hasn't had the competition in the EC to meet this 50 win opposition criteria. Which isn't really his fault. But it does make it silly to act like 5 finals appearances in that conference is some historic feat that no one else could've accomplished. This 'stat' shouldn't be used to disparage him directly, it's just meant to highlight the context of what he's doing.

Exactly this.

No one's saying Lebron isn't an all time great unless they're trolling.

[HOoopCityJones]

Right, cause I'm and LBJ stan/apologist:rolleyes: Let's not forget, I'M the neutral one, YOU GUYS are the stans...I see something thats stupid as hell and there's 15+ pages about how a guy hasn't beaten more 50 win teams than other guys, when that guy has absolutely no control over that whatsoever. Now tell me that you would give 2 damns if you weren't a Kobe fan/stan...I hate calling people stans because it feels so disrespectful to me, but some of you are beyond ridiculous...Stans only jump in topics when it seems beneficial to their favorite player. Me though? I jump in all these topics and take whatever stance seems to make the sense to me, and this topic is stupid to me.

So just because you're a contrarian, it means I'm wrong? :biggums:

No no , you supposed "objective" posters are the worst kind , because you try to celebrate these arbitrary stats when they prop up Lebron and Duncan (like his consistency over a long period of time for instance) but when these kind of stat pop about Kobe the ****ing excuse train comes in and all of a sudden nothing means shit. At least the trolls actually do it outta pure hate, you ni99as on the other hand really think you're doing the discussion a service when you're not, it's just less calculated hate.

I'm no stan, I want Kobe to get the fucc outta dodge so my Team can finally move on into the new era of NBA style of play. I hated his fat ass contact and I hate that he gets tunnel vision if he feels like Teammates aren't performing, but I wont ignore that when he had the physical tools to match the intensity of his style of play , it worked in our favor more often than not.

You guys can talk shit all you want today about Kobe being a ball hog and Team killer whatever, but just know deep down, it's all irrelevant in the context of his career as a whole.

7 Finals

5 championships

15 All NBA (tied with Duncan and Kareem)

numerous scoring records

Dominance in the tougher conference

Top 30 in assists and the only other two guard in that list aside from West and Drexler I think.



Kobe is better than a lot of players you guys don't wanna admit. He's no Jordan or Kareem , but he has a legit case vs anyone else you can name.

[DMAVS41]

So just because you're a contrarian, it means I'm wrong? :biggums:

No no , you supposed "objective" posters are the worst kind , because you try to celebrate these arbitrary stats when they prop up Lebron and Duncan (like his consistency over a long period of time for instance) but when these kind of stat pop about Kobe the ****ing excuse train comes in and all of a sudden nothing means shit. At least the trolls actually do it outta pure hate, you ni99as on the other hand really think you're doing the discussion a service when you're not, it's just less calculated hate.

I'm no stan, I want Kobe to get the fucc outta dodge so my Team can finally move on into the new era of NBA style of play. I hated his fat ass contact and I hate that he gets tunnel vision if he feels like Teammates aren't performing, but I wont ignore that when he had the physical tools to match the intensity of his style of play , it worked in our favor more often than not.

You guys can talk shit all you want today about Kobe being a ball hog and Team killer whatever, but just know deep down, it's all irrelevant in the context of his career as a whole.

7 Finals

5 championships

numerous scoring records

Dominance in the tougher conference

Top 30 in assists and the only other two guard in that list aside from West and Drexler I think.



Kobe is better than a lot of players you guys don't wanna admit. He's no Jordan or Kareem , but he has a legit case vs anyone else you can name.

What is his case over Duncan? I don't see how he has one.

[kennethgriffin]

[/B]

What is his case over Duncan? I don't see how he has one.

More 50 win teams beatin
More head to head series won (4 to 2)
More 1st team all nbas
More 1st team all defenses
More points all time
More 60 point games than duncan has 40 point games...lmao
More titles without a top 50 all time sidekick (2)
More starting allstar games
More consecutive allstar games
More gold medals (2 to zero)
+30 on his career high
Scored more in 2 quarters than duncan ever did in an entire game


Just picking duncan cause of 1 more mvp is dumb

[HOoopCityJones]

[/B]

What is his case over Duncan? I don't see how he has one.

They have similar careers , Kobe edges Timmy out in Pts, Asst and Tim has rebounding and I guess the superior defense according to his fans, but they're closer than this board will care to admit. Both lead in All-NBA selections, Kobe has more First Teams tho. Both hold numerous post season records etc.


Now bring on your metrics. :rolleyes:

[gts]

This should close the book on the Duncan vs. Bird debate. Duncan had more titles with less help, he did it longer against clearly better overall competition.
:facepalm Just stop. Duncan is good even great but he's highly overrated...

Bird is hands down the better player...

[BallsOut]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

Yikes lol

:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[BallsOut]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg


:biggums:

[BallsOut]

First ESPN exposes Lebron. Then Lebron exposes his pen1s. Then the Warriors expose Lebron 2 wins in 6 finals :oldlol:

[I<3NBA]

i don't see Shaq.

[LeFraud James]

The biggest manufactured superstar the NBA has seen.

[coin24]

As usual, bran has his shit pushed in from a real team:lol

[Fudge]

2x Champ
2x FMVP
4x MVP
5 straight Finals
1 large *****
Top 8 player of all-time

LeBron James, bitch.

[buddha]

what if the konex curse was the reason LeBron's ***** was exposed?

[fiddy]

2x Champ
2x FMVP
4x MVP
5 straight Finals
1 large *****
Top 8 player of all-time

LeBron James, bitch.
Insecurity bitch

[SyRyanYang]

2x Champ
2x FMVP
4x MVP
5 straight Finals
1 large *****
Top 8 player of all-time

LeBron James, bitch.

That's what your anus told you? You got fooled my man. We all saw his small package.

[tomtucker]

First ESPN exposes Lebron. Then Lebron exposes his pen1s. Then the Warriors expose Lebron 2 wins in 6 finals :oldlol:
:lol :roll:

[Cleverness]

i don't see Shaq.

rofl selective stats as #$%@

you know what's funny? LeBron will probably pass both Bird AND Magic on this list when it's all said and done and we will never see or hear about this list again. instead, we'll get another list of selective BS stats for whatever agenda is being pushed

:rolleyes:

[9erempiree]

Holy shit why am I so late to this thread.

I can't add anymore to this thread seeing that everyone is just killing Lebron on this.

It's not even funny anymore. I gave up making fun of Lebron. It's like the autistic kid you don't want to make fun of.

Winning 2 championships in 6 attempts is bad already.

[BallsOut]

First ESPN exposes Lebron. Then Lebron exposes his pen1s. Then Iggy exposes his awful offensive game. Then ISH exposes his Finals stats 2 wins in 6 finals :lol

[BallsOut]

http://i.imgur.com/CIu6gDI.jpg

Yikes lol

7 lol only seven 50 win teams Lebron has eliminated in his six finals runs. ESPN straight exposing their boy :oldlol:

[kennethgriffin]

7 lol only seven 50 win teams Lebron has eliminated in his six finals runs. ESPN straight exposing their boy :oldlol:


I exposed him... espn coppied my material

[Mirror]

what if the konex curse was the reason LeBron's ***** was exposed?

OMG.