Reggie Miller, Stephen A. Smith, and Skip Bayless all take Bird over LeBron

[SHAQisGOAT]

So Bird would have achieved the same results in those years, more or less.


Great. Now stop using 2/6 narratives.

Again...

What 2/6 BS? You're acting like I'm one of those dudes who only posts shit like that :rolleyes: :facepalm

Yea, my whole arguments were only based on shit like that... Just going off on 2/6 narratives :rolleyes: I'm really beginning to wonder if some of y'all can even read :facepalm

[RRR3]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11552012&postcount=16

[SHAQisGOAT]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showpost.php?p=11552012&postcount=16

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

Relatively long post with various paragraphs, arguments and points (out of many other posts)... I've then mentioned 2/6 there once and you act like my whole shit was only based on that and whatnot :facepalm

[Da_Realist]

I guess numbers and facts just don't cut it, when it comes to Bird stans. Should stick with talking out the ass and opinions.

Lebron fans are no more "factual" than Bird fans. Numbers <> facts. Everyone that has posted in this thread has posted an opinion. How can numbers define anything when the two players did not even play in the league at the same time? Add to that all the other differences and you're left with unrelated numbers that some of you are using as a base for your OPINION. Basketball is a subjective sport. You can't judge it solely on numbers. Especially since those numbers can be manipulated. Ask Ricky Davis about his triple double attempt (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XDtGHHnA9ms).

Basing an opinion on viewing a guy's skill level and how he uses that skill level to improve his team is just as grounded as counting up the number of triple doubles or MVP's the other guy has. I think more so. A real fan can look at the numbers, understand that since the two guys never played in the league at the same time under the same conditions, realize some context needs to be added, review how both guys play(ed) taking into account their respective skill levels, pros, cons, successes, failures, competition, opinions of peers, etc and make a subjective opinion. That's not talking out of our ass, that's smart.

[GOBB]

Bird was a legend. What's the issue if they feel he is better than Bron? It's warranted. I'm guessing you guys didn't see him play? :confusedshrug:

One thing to disagree, another to act like it's a ridiculous opinion to have.

[aj1987]

Your the one who is dense AF. You don't understand anything but box scores. You have no clue how the game is suppose to be played. This era is no different than anyother era. The game is played the same way. If you play the game the right way your chances of winning increase. If you blame your teammates for your not playing the right way, your chances of winning decrease. It really is that simple Dumb***.
I love how you guys just jump to conclusions that no one ever saw '80's basketball, but literally have no idea what you're talking about, when it comes to the current era.

LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

Now tell me how LeBron lost the Cavs the Finals, by not being like Bird and getting others involved...


Refute ANY of that, dumb****. :facepalm


Lebron fans are no more "factual" than Bird fans. Numbers <> facts. Everyone that has posted in this thread has posted an opinion. How can numbers define anything when the two players did not even play in the league at the same time? Add to that all the other differences and you're left with unrelated numbers that some of you are using as a base for your OPINION. Basketball is a subjective sport. You can't judge it solely on numbers. Especially since those numbers can be manipulated. Ask Ricky Davis about his triple double attempt.

Basing an opinion on viewing a guy's skill level and how he uses that skill level to improve his team is just as grounded as counting up the number of triple doubles or MVP's the other guy has. I think more so. A real fan can look at the numbers, understand that since the two guys never played in the league at the same time under the same conditions, realize some context needs to be added, review how both guys play(ed) taking into account their respective skill levels, pros, cons, successes, failures, competition, opinions of peers, etc and make a subjective opinion. That's not talking out of our ass, that's smart.
Again, you guys are basically calling LeBron a statpadder. A guys playing for stats. That's you're assertion, right, when you say stats can be misleading? Again, ignore the stats and look at team success. The wins he accumulated. The teammates and their health. Context!

You guys are quick to point out that teams did better with Bird than without him, right? Same with players. Now, look at LeBron:

Miami with LeBron in '14 - 54 wins
Miami w/o LeBron in '15 - 37 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '10 - 61 wins
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '11 - 19 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '15 - 3-10
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '15 - 50-19

Bosh with LeBron in '14 - 52%
Bosh W/O LeBron in '15 - 46%

Wade with LeBron in '14 - 55%
Wade W/O LeBron in '15 - 47%

Mo with LeBron - 17 PPG
Mo W/O LeBron - 14 PPG

West with LeBron - 9 PPG
West W/O LeBron - 6 PPG


Rookie 18 year old LeBron helped the Cavs add 18 wins from the previous season. 24 year old LeBron was carrying teams, which were inferior to almost all of those Celtics teams, to 66 wins. I'm not denying Bird's greatness, but you guys acting like Bird is on another tier or that their peaks aren't even comparable is just ridiculous.

[colts19]

I love how you guys just jump to conclusions that no one ever saw '80's basketball, but literally have no idea what you're talking about, when it comes to the current era.

LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

Now tell me how LeBron lost the Cavs the Finals, by not being like Bird and getting others involved...


Refute ANY of that, dumb****. :facepalm


Again, you guys are basically calling LeBron a statpadder. A guys playing for stats. That's you're assertion, right, when you say stats can be misleading? Again, ignore the stats and look at team success. The wins he accumulated. The teammates and their health. Context!

You guys are quick to point out that teams did better with Bird than without him, right? Same with players. Now, look at LeBron:

Miami with LeBron in '14 - 54 wins
Miami w/o LeBron in '15 - 37 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '10 - 61 wins
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '11 - 19 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '15 - 3-10
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '15 - 50-19

Bosh with LeBron in '14 - 52%
Bosh W/O LeBron in '15 - 46%

Wade with LeBron in '14 - 55%
Wade W/O LeBron in '15 - 47%

Mo with LeBron - 17 PPG
Mo W/O LeBron - 14 PPG

West with LeBron - 9 PPG
West W/O LeBron - 6 PPG


Rookie 18 year old LeBron helped the Cavs add 18 wins from the previous season. 24 year old LeBron was carrying teams, which were inferior to almost all of those Celtics teams, to 66 wins. I'm not denying Bird's greatness, but you guys acting like Bird is on another tier or that their peaks aren't even comparable is just ridiculous.

At know time did I say they weren't comparable. I said Bron was a top ten talent. I just think Bird was better. I would take Bird everyday over Bron, but I would take Bron over most other players.

Starting a team I would take these players over Bron.
MJ
Magic
Bird
KAJ
Wilt
Russell

Thats about it. Maybe Dr. J. and Oscar. That's it. It's just my opinion. It doesn't mean I think Bron stinks. He has weakness's like any player. Most of those are mental and toughness, clutch issues. I never saw Bird quit on his team, I have seen Bron quit, several times. Have a good day.

[Lebron23]

Aj1987 just destroyed Colts18 who never saw Bird Play. Google and Wiki Pa More.

[aj1987]

At know time did I say they weren't comparable. I said Bron was a top ten talent. I just think Bird was better. I would take Bird everyday over Bron, but I would take Bron over most other players.

Starting a team I would take these players over Bron.
MJ
Magic
Bird
KAJ
Wilt
Russell

Thats about it. Maybe Dr. J. and Oscar. That's it. It's just my opinion. It doesn't mean I think Bron stinks. He has weakness's like any player. Most of those are mental and toughness, clutch issues. I never saw Bird quit on his team, I have seen Bron quit, several times. Have a good day.
That was directed more to Realist. Not you.

The bolded are just laughable.

The only players I would take above LeBron are MJ, KAJ, Shaq, and probably Duncan.

[Da_Realist]

At know time did I say they weren't comparable. I said Bron was a top ten talent. I just think Bird was better. I would take Bird everyday over Bron, but I would take Bron over most other players.

Starting a team I would take these players over Bron.
MJ
Magic
Bird
KAJ
Wilt
Russell

Thats about it. Maybe Dr. J. and Oscar. That's it. It's just my opinion. It doesn't mean I think Bron stinks. He has weakness's like any player. Most of those are mental and toughness, clutch issues. I never saw Bird quit on his team, I have seen Bron quit, several times. Have a good day.

That's the key. If Lebron was being compared to Carmelo none of these issues would be brought up. But to compare to a guy like Bird, you gotta break out the magnifying glass and split hairs a little bit. These dudes get sensitive and call you names if you don't rate him as high as they do when it's clear you've seen more of Bird than they have. If they have, they wouldn't be so upset. Bird was a great, great player. Compare him to MJ and I may disagree on some of the finer points but I don't get offended because I know deep down...you put them both on the court at their best, it's not sure which one would be the better player. The effectual difference is infinitesimally small. Comparing Bird to anybody shouldn't make any fan offended.

[stevieming]

I love how you guys just jump to conclusions that no one ever saw '80's basketball, but literally have no idea what you're talking about, when it comes to the current era.

LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

Now tell me how LeBron lost the Cavs the Finals, by not being like Bird and getting others involved...


Refute ANY of that, dumb****. :facepalm


Again, you guys are basically calling LeBron a statpadder. A guys playing for stats. That's you're assertion, right, when you say stats can be misleading? Again, ignore the stats and look at team success. The wins he accumulated. The teammates and their health. Context!

You guys are quick to point out that teams did better with Bird than without him, right? Same with players. Now, look at LeBron:

Miami with LeBron in '14 - 54 wins
Miami w/o LeBron in '15 - 37 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '10 - 61 wins
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '11 - 19 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '15 - 3-10
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '15 - 50-19

Bosh with LeBron in '14 - 52%
Bosh W/O LeBron in '15 - 46%

Wade with LeBron in '14 - 55%
Wade W/O LeBron in '15 - 47%

Mo with LeBron - 17 PPG
Mo W/O LeBron - 14 PPG

West with LeBron - 9 PPG
West W/O LeBron - 6 PPG


Rookie 18 year old LeBron helped the Cavs add 18 wins from the previous season. 24 year old LeBron was carrying teams, which were inferior to almost all of those Celtics teams, to 66 wins. I'm not denying Bird's greatness, but you guys acting like Bird is on another tier or that their peaks aren't even comparable is just ridiculous.

great post, totally agree with all that. Lebron played great in the finals, people just look at him jacking up shots, but don realise how he was controlling the tempo...and influencing the rhythm of the game...

I am not a fan of lebron, as I felt he ran away to join with dwade and didn't grind it out in cleveland, ala Dirk did at Mavs but there's no denying his greatness...also not a fan of his game as it's not that flashy or pleasing to the eye...can't deny the effectiveness though.

Bron has a few more years to go, but already I would take him above Bird, and if he gets another chip or 2 along with accumulated stats barring injury, he might even rank along side MJ.

For me he is already above Kobe easily....

[colts19]

That was directed more to Realist. Not you.

The bolded are just laughable.

The only players I would take above LeBron are MJ, KAJ, Shaq, and probably Duncan.
Wilt, Russell, Dr. J. and Oscar, are all time legends. How is it laughable to say they may be as good or better that Bron.

Russell greatest winner of all time.
Wilt MDE and its not even close.
Oscar won a MVP in a league playing against Russell and Wilt. KAJ said Oscar and Magic were equal and he should know since he played with both.
Dr. J, If he hadn't spent most of his best years in the ABA he would still be in the discussion for best forward of all time.

[aj1987]

That's the key. If Lebron was being compared to Carmelo none of these issues would be brought up. But to compare to a guy like Bird, you gotta break out the magnifying glass and split hairs a little bit. These dudes get sensitive and call you names if you don't rate him as high as they do when it's clear you've seen more of Bird than they have. If they have, they wouldn't be so upset. Bird was a great, great player. Compare him to MJ and I may disagree on some of the finer points but I don't get offended because I know deep down...you put them both on the court at their best, it's not sure which one would be the better player. The effectual difference is infinitesimally small. Comparing Bird to anybody shouldn't make any fan offended.
Wow. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Nobody is offended, idiot. I'm just pointing out that their primes, peaks, and abilities as overall players are extremely close. Bird's not on another level than LeBron. Stop acting like he is. You are quick to bring out the "oh, you didn't watch Bird play" narrative, but it's extremely obvious that you haven't seen LeBron play.

Again, ignoring stats and accolade and all that stuff, LeBron has had just as much impact as Bird on teams. I pointed that out as well. Something which you seem to ignore completely. Then again you guys are saying, stats are irrelevant, accolades are irrelevant, impact is irrelevant, etc.. That "eye test" doe. Yeah, I'll take the player with 4 MVP's, 2 rings, and 2 FMVP's, who played on weaker teams than Bird.


Wilt, Russell, Dr. J. and Oscar, are all time legends. How is it laughable to say they may be as good or better that Bron.

Russell greatest winner of all time.
Wilt MDE and its not even close.
Oscar won a MVP in a league playing against Russell and Wilt. KAJ said Oscar and Magic were equal and he should know since he played with both.
Dr. J, If he hadn't spent most of his best years in the ABA he would still be in the discussion for best forward of all time.
LeBron's offense >>> Russell's defense. He won rings in probably the weakest era ever.
Wilt played with multiple HOF'ers in their primes and choked in the biggest moments.
If you consider LeBron to be a statpadder, then Oscar is the King of statpadding. Never had that impact that other ATG's had.

[colts19]

Wow. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

Nobody is offended, idiot. I'm just pointing out that their primes, peaks, and abilities as overall players are extremely close. Bird's not on another level than LeBron. Stop acting like he is. You are quick to bring out the "oh, you didn't watch Bird play" narrative, but it's extremely obvious that you haven't seen LeBron play.

Again, ignoring stats and accolade and all that stuff, LeBron has had just as much impact as Bird on teams. I pointed that out as well. Something which you seem to ignore completely. Then again you guys are saying, stats are irrelevant, accolades are irrelevant, impact is irrelevant, etc.. That "eye test" doe. Yeah, I'll take the player with 4 MVP's, 2 rings, and 2 FMVP's, who played on weaker teams than Bird.


LeBron's offense >>> Russell's defense. He won rings in probably the weakest era ever.
Wilt played with multiple HOF'ers in their primes and choked in the biggest moments.
If you consider LeBron to be a statpadder, then Oscar is the King of statpadding. Never had that impact that other ATG's had.

Being a Lebron fan you would know all about choking in the biggest moments.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

I pick LeBron over Bird. Same numbers of finals MVP, and Lebron had 1 more MVP than Him. And by the time Bron's career is over he will be miles ahead of bird in total points in the playoffs, regular season and in the finals.

Injuries derailed Bird's career in the early 90s so I wouldn't hold that against him.

[NBAplayoffs2001]

Larry Bird is like LeBron James before LeBron James without the athleticism and defense. I think as an overall defender, LeBron is better. As a clutch shooter? I would rather have Larry Bird in his prime take the game winning shot than LeBron James if it's outside of 20 feet.

[Da_Realist]

Larry Bird is like LeBron James before LeBron James without the athleticism and defense.

Bird played nothing like Lebron. They weren't similar at all. He wasn't "Lebron James without the athleticism and defense". He was a totally different player.

[aj1987]

Being a Lebron fan you would know all about choking in the biggest moments.
You should be as well, considering you're a Bird stan.

[Da_Realist]

Again, ignoring stats and accolade and all that stuff, LeBron has had just as much impact as Bird on teams. I pointed that out as well. Something which you seem to ignore completely. Then again you guys are saying, stats are irrelevant, accolades are irrelevant, impact is irrelevant, etc.. That "eye test" doe. Yeah, I'll take the player with 4 MVP's, 2 rings, and 2 FMVP's, who played on weaker teams than Bird.

I did ignore it. Both are winners so we can throw that out. I think Lebron had it easier than Bird did so matching up their accolades doesn't do it for me. Different league and rules anyway.

Lebron wears his stats on his sleeve. Bird threw his away. Why should we compare guys by their stats (ignoring all the reasons I mentioned before) when one guy's motto is "Check my $tats" and the other is known for not caring about them at all?

And playing on a weaker team does not make you a better player, it makes you stand out more. Maybe it's a little easier to have all those $tats when you're playing with B-league teammates? Another reason to add context.

[aj1987]

I did ignore it. Both are winners so we can throw that out. I think Lebron had it easier than Bird did so matching up their accolades doesn't do it for me. Different league and rules anyway.
LeBron had it easier? Bird was playing on historically stacked teams. :oldlol:


Lebron wears his stats on his sleeve. Bird threw his away. Why should we compare guys by their stats (ignoring all the reasons I mentioned before) when one guy's motto is "Check my $tats" and the other is known for not caring about them at all?
Who gives a shit? It's not like he doesn't have a single ring. Again, better stats, better accolades, and better everything.

That shirt is a fake, BTW. Photoshop.


And playing on a weaker team does not make you a better player, it makes you stand out more. Maybe it's a little easier to have all those $tats when you're playing with B-league teammates? Another reason to add context.
LeBron on the Cavs - 27.8/7.0/7.0
LeBron on the Heat - 26.9/7.6/6.7

Barely any difference. Except:

LeBron on the Cavs - 56.2% TS
LeBron on the Heat - 62.2% TS

Are you being dense on purpose or are you still salty that the keeps destroying your franchise year after year? For the millionth time, even if you ignore STATS, LeBron still has the better ACCOLADES (while playing on teams worse than Bird's). How do you even argue with idiots who want to ignore stats and accolades?

[HurricaneKid]

I love how you guys just jump to conclusions that no one ever saw '80's basketball, but literally have no idea what you're talking about, when it comes to the current era.

LeBron was purposefully slowing down the pace. You don't win against the Warriors (with a garbage ass team no less) playing run and gun ball. They're gonna out shoot you and destroy you. The Cavs would've lost in 4 straight blowouts if they played uptempo basketball.

He couldn't hand over the playmaking duties to others nor was he able to let others make decisions, because they're low IQ players. Shump and JR were terrible and can't create for others. Delly had a hard time bringing the ball up court. Actually, Shump is a below average playmaker, but the other two are worse than garbage.

The game in which Mozgov put up 28 points, the Cavs lost by 21 points. LeBron struggled shooting the ball, but he did have 20/12/8. 12 rebounds and 8 assists (oh wait, rebounds and assists only matter when it's Bird). Delly went 3-14, JR 2-12, Shump 2-9, JJ 0-3, etc.. A combined 18% FG%. Literally no one could hit a shot. To top it off, the Warriors went small and Moz couldn't guard anyone on the court. Bogut was benched and Green was playing at the C.

You're blaming LeBron for Moz not getting more involved in game 5 after the 28 point game, when in fact, the COACH played him 9 minutes. He played over 30 minutes in game 6 and LeBron got him involved. Dude put up 17/12/4.

For the series, the 3 guys who played the 3rd, 4th, and 5th highest minutes managed to score a combined 25.5 points on sub 40% TS. 29% FG% and 28% 3pt%.

Now tell me how LeBron lost the Cavs the Finals, by not being like Bird and getting others involved...


Refute ANY of that, dumb****. :facepalm


Again, you guys are basically calling LeBron a statpadder. A guys playing for stats. That's you're assertion, right, when you say stats can be misleading? Again, ignore the stats and look at team success. The wins he accumulated. The teammates and their health. Context!

You guys are quick to point out that teams did better with Bird than without him, right? Same with players. Now, look at LeBron:

Miami with LeBron in '14 - 54 wins
Miami w/o LeBron in '15 - 37 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '10 - 61 wins
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '11 - 19 wins

Cleveland with LeBron in '15 - 3-10
Cleveland w/o LeBron in '15 - 50-19

Bosh with LeBron in '14 - 52%
Bosh W/O LeBron in '15 - 46%

Wade with LeBron in '14 - 55%
Wade W/O LeBron in '15 - 47%

Mo with LeBron - 17 PPG
Mo W/O LeBron - 14 PPG

West with LeBron - 9 PPG
West W/O LeBron - 6 PPG


Rookie 18 year old LeBron helped the Cavs add 18 wins from the previous season. 24 year old LeBron was carrying teams, which were inferior to almost all of those Celtics teams, to 66 wins. I'm not denying Bird's greatness, but you guys acting like Bird is on another tier or that their peaks aren't even comparable is just ridiculous.

Are you Scottish?

Because you just kilt him.

[Da_Realist]

LeBron on the Cavs - 27.8/7.0/7.0
LeBron on the Heat - 26.9/7.6/6.7

Barely any difference. Except:

LeBron on the Cavs - 56.2% TS
LeBron on the Heat - 62.2% TS



You're comparing Lebron to Lebron. This thread compares Lebron to Bird. You say Bird played on historically great teams, implying his teammates were better. You keep playing up how weak Lebron's teammates are compared to Bird's. But won't acknowledge that technically speaking, Bird would have a harder time dominating the stat sheet if he's sharing touches with his historically great teammates.

So, again, comparing Lebron stats to Bird stats alone mean nothing to me.

[aj1987]

You're comparing Lebron to Lebron. This thread compares Lebron to Bird. You say Bird played on historically great teams, implying his teammates were better. You keep playing up how weak Lebron's teammates are compared to Bird's. But won't acknowledge that technically speaking, Bird would have a harder time dominating the stat sheet if he's sharing touches with his historically great teammates.

So, again, comparing Lebron stats to Bird stats alone mean nothing to me.
You are denser than a Neutron star. :facepalm :facepalm :facepalm

I'm done with your dumbass.

[Rocketswin2013]

You're comparing Lebron to Lebron. This thread compares Lebron to Bird. You say Bird played on historically great teams, implying his teammates were better. You keep playing up how weak Lebron's teammates are compared to Bird's. But won't acknowledge that technically speaking, Bird would have a harder time dominating the stat sheet if he's sharing touches with his historically great teammates.

So, again, comparing Lebron stats to Bird stats alone mean nothing to me.
No. Lol.