Unpopular Opinion: (Review w/spoilers) The Force Awakens was not a very good movie.

[DonDadda59]

Don't worry. The next death star will be EVEN bigger. ayyyy lmao

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/ysVKUYtyGs8/hqdefault.jpg

"That's no Galaxy..."






*Turns out the whole thing can be destroyed by turning off an unguarded light switch*

[ROCSteady]

I thought he left because Rey kept hittin him with that Friend Zone hug.

[DonDadda59]

I thought he left because Rey kept hittin him with that Friend Zone hug.

He left because he had to Han Solo for the reboot to work.

Now Rey owes him one. :pimp:

[FKAri]

*Turns out the whole thing can be destroyed by turning off an unguarded light switch*

I know right. I feel like I'm the only one who felt it was too easy for them to break in and disable the thing. Like the nigguh said "uh I guess we'll use the force to figure it out". Can't these empire cats afford CCTV? lol @ Rey AND Solo's crew wandering around in plain sight down corridors of a military base not being spotted. Then hold a gun to that lead trooper's head and then throw "her" down a trash compactor. It ain't no thang. Strong security.

[ROCSteady]

Who woulda thought a once brainwashed fascist knows the true ways of love?

Smooth operator, Finn will become

[ROCSteady]

Maybe he convinced them by risking his life fighting for the Resistance and helping deliver BB8 to Princess Leia.

He was just a scrub low-level trooper who proved his loyalty by bringing back Han and BB8 to Resistance headquarters. Loads of troopers probably defect from the First Order.

Also Leia has the force and would be able to tell if he was a shady dude.


The Liar Revealed trope is IMO one of the most annoying. I liked that they didn't do the whole "Can we trust him? Is he really one of us?" thing where everyone is mad at him for awhile and then they forgive him. That trope is always the most annoying stupid part of movies.


This is true though. It is a majorly overused story trope so I'll agree with it being a positive they weren't too suspicious of Finn

[falc39]

HOLY. SHIT.

THIS WAS SHUT DOWN TWENTY FVCKING PAGES AGO

jesus christ im leaving

we're talking to goldfishes

falc39 and dcl = nemo and dory

3 second memory span

You just don't get it. I don't care how many times you guys explain why she is able to learn quickly or why she is able to defeat the antagonist multiple times, etc, because that's just sidestepping the real issue I have with it. The problem is this is going on for the whole movie and it makes for a boring and uninspiring character. A character who never needs any help or is never seriously challenged isn't fun to watch. Is that concept so hard to understand? It just doesn't make for a character I want to invest in.

Well, then you say, but they will explain it in the next movies or from this simple flashback you're supposed to just figure it out on your own. That's not good enough. This isn't a show where there is an episode every week and it's ok for the writers to leave us on a cliffhanger at the end or leave out a ton of details knowing they can always go back to it. This is a full-fledged 2 hr+ movie. It's just not enough. Both of the first movies of the previous trilogies were the start of a larger story line, but the movie story lines themselves were also good enough to stand alone and had their respective cadences. This one doesn't. There are plot holes everywhere but the real issue is I don't even care about that because they didn't do a good enough job to get me invested with the protagonist in the first place.


“If a story is not about the hearer, he will not listen. And here I make a rule—a great and interesting story is about everyone or it will not last.” -John Steinbeck

I'm sorry but this story just didn't speak to me. And that is that. It's a matter of opinion and you don't have to agree with me. If it spoke to you, then good for you. :cheers:

[Nick Young]

Movies that spell everything out for you are retarded.


Did you really need a scene after the force vision where Rey summarizes everything she saw? Do you really need Orange Alien lady to tell her "The force flows through you stronger than anyone I've ever seen. You are a skywalker and naturally strong in the force."

I am really glad everything wasn't spelled out for us.

I'm sick to death of these Marvel movies where they have to have a scene where all they do is summarize what you just saw happen.

In A New Hope all we hear is the Republic is gone in an Imperial officer meeting. We didn't need an indepth history scene where Obi-Wan talks about how awesome the Republic is and why it's important.

Exposition would drag this movie down.

Sometimes its good when viewers have to figure shit out on their own.

Do you really need Rey to have scenes where she's like "Oh I've flown flight simulators before. I'm a good mechanic because I'm a scavenger so I have to know the important pieces I can sell for the most money, and I'm poor so when my tech breaks down I had to learn how to fix it myself because I can't afford a repair guy. I've always been naturally good at mechanics, I just find it fascinating. Wow I feel the force now all of a sudden guys. I just close my eyes and feel like I intuitively know what to do, like an instinct. It's been this way my whole life, I didn't know that was the force. I started trusting these feelings more and suddenly I have all these cool powers!

Oh BTWs, yes I beat Kylo but I was running away the whole time. He had a massive wound and I don't think he was at his best. I beat him when I let the force flow through me and take over, I didn't even realize what I was doing when I did it, I just acted on pure instinct. Oh yeah, I'm good with my staff from Jakku and some of those skills translated when I was fighting with the light saber."




YOU DON'T NEED THESE SCENES OR THOSE KINDS OF SPEECHES. The prequels sucked because every time something happened they had a dumb scene afterwards where they summarize what just happened.


Also, if you've seen the other 6 movies YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW THE FORCE WORKS BY NOW. We don't need more exposition scenes of a wise old master explaining what the force is. WE KNOW WHAT THE FORCE IS.


FIGURE THINGS OUT FOR YOURSELF. SHOW, DON'T TELL.

I saw it twice so far and it was way better the second time. This movie is great.

[falc39]

Movies that spell everything out for you are retarded.


Did you really need a scene after the force vision where Rey summarizes everything she saw? Do you really need Orange Alien lady to tell her "The force flows through you stronger than anyone I've ever seen. You are a skywalker and naturally strong in the force."

I am really glad everything wasn't spelled out for us.

I'm sick to death of these Marvel movies where they have to have a scene where all they do is summarize what you just saw happen.

In A New Hope all we hear is the Republic is gone in an Imperial officer meeting. We didn't need an indepth history scene where Obi-Wan talks about how awesome the Republic is and why it's important.

Exposition would drag this movie down.

Sometimes its good when viewers have to figure shit out on their own.

Do you really need Rey to have scenes where she's like "Oh I've flown flight simulators before. I'm a good mechanic because I'm a scavenger so I have to know the important pieces I can sell for the most money, and I'm poor so when my tech breaks down I had to learn how to fix it myself because I can't afford a repair guy. I've always been naturally good at mechanics, I just find it fascinating. Wow I feel the force now all of a sudden guys. I just close my eyes and feel like I intuitively know what to do, like an instinct. It's been this way my whole life, I didn't know that was the force. I started trusting these feelings more and suddenly I have all these cool powers!

Oh BTWs, yes I beat Kylo but I was running away the whole time. He had a massive wound and I don't think he was at his best. I beat him when I let the force flow through me and take over, I didn't even realize what I was doing when I did it, I just acted on pure instinct. Oh yeah, I'm good with my staff from Jakku and some of those skills translated when I was fighting with the light saber."




YOU DON'T NEED THESE SCENES OR THOSE KINDS OF SPEECHES. The prequels sucked because every time something happened they had a dumb scene afterwards where they summarize what just happened.


Also, if you've seen the other 6 movies YOU SHOULD KNOW HOW THE FORCE WORKS BY NOW. We don't need more exposition scenes of a wise old master explaining what the force is. WE KNOW WHAT THE FORCE IS.


FIGURE THINGS OUT FOR YOURSELF. SHOW, DON'T TELL.

I saw it twice so far and it was way better the second time. This movie is great.

You are trying to explain the plot when I said that doesn't matter because you are missing the bigger point. I didn't care for the main character. She is boring. There was no tension because I knew she would overcome everything by herself. The Kylo-Rey fight was boring because she was fighting a 20% Kylo Ren. It's like watching an NBA finals with Lebron or Kobe sitting out injured. Borrrring. She already beat him earlier. Anti-climatic.

I don't care about the second movie. It's not coming for more than a year. I may end up liking it, I may not. Now is not the time to judge that. I liked Revenge of the Sith and didn't like The Phantom Menance, so even if the second or third movie of this trilogy is good won't turn back the disappointment that was this one. Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people didn't find this movie to be all that it was hyped up to be? It was just an ok movie.

[Nick Young]

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Rey will have to face her fears and weaknesses in the next movie. How will she handle it.

[Nick Young]

Why is it so hard for you to accept that some people didn't find this movie to be all that it was hyped up to be? It was just an ok movie.
lol honestly I don't know:lol I thought it was 10/10 and awesome but accept everyone has different opinions.

[tomtucker]

you wanna know when i realized this was gonna be a bad movie ?


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3 months ago

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:D

[Knoe Itawl]

I read the first few pages of this thread, so don't know if this has been brought up, but I think some people are missing a few things:

-People talking about how Kylo went out like a bitch and blah blah blah expected him to be this badass based on the previews, and thinking that all dark side users are automatically badass. However, the movie itself countered this by showing him to be an emotionally unstable, under trained villain. Additionally, he was severely injured from Chewies crossbow, that had been shown earlier in the film lifting people off their feet. He had also been injured by Finn. Finally, he was still struggling with what he had just done by killing his father. Therefore, he is nowhere near the badass villain many were expecting, and that's by design. He has time to build up to that level, but I thought it was actually cool to have a villain so heavily flawed and seeing his journey. It's the villain version of Luke who got his ass handed to him by Vader, and came back stronger. As for Rey defeating him, as I mentioned above he was already severely compromised when they fought and Rey obviously has deep force abilities that "awakened" within her.

So Kylo heavily physically and mentally compromised + Rey awakening in the force = it being believable that he was beaten. I understand questioning the scene at first glance, I did as well. However, when you analyze it, it makes more sense.

I had issues with the movie, but that wasn't one of them.

[IGOTGAME]

Was a good popcorn flick and just an okay movie. Way too derivative, during the middle of the movie it took me out of it thinking about it

[SpecialQue]

People flying into tizzy fits because people aren't liking the movie enough. No wonder they have issues with Kylo...they hate seeing that mirror.

[DonDadda59]

Emo Kylo Ren is on twitter (https://twitter.com/kylor3n)


Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
*places Darth Vader's burned-out helmet on piano*
*painstakingly picks out the piano part to 'my immortal' with one finger*

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
mom please don't even pretend you know what I'm going through right now
also we are out of conditioner

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
dear diary
I told hux I did not think much of his name for our band
he said I should go solo
I told him never to mention that name again

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
i prefer dark craft beers

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
*hands Rey a crossword*
don't worry if it takes a while
Wednesday puzzles can be a bit challengi--
*Rey hands back the completed puzzle*

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
you can't truly appreciate the imperial march until you hear it on vinyl

There's a couple of good ones in there :lol

[CavaliersFTW]

Emo Kylo Ren is on twitter (https://twitter.com/kylor3n)


Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
*places Darth Vader's burned-out helmet on piano*
*painstakingly picks out the piano part to 'my immortal' with one finger*

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
mom please don't even pretend you know what I'm going through right now
also we are out of conditioner

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
dear diary
I told hux I did not think much of his name for our band
he said I should go solo
I told him never to mention that name again

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
i prefer dark craft beers

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
*hands Rey a crossword*
don't worry if it takes a while
Wednesday puzzles can be a bit challengi--
*Rey hands back the completed puzzle*

Emo Kylo Ren ‏@KyloR3n Dec 22
you can't truly appreciate the imperial march until you hear it on vinyl

There's a couple of good ones in there :lol
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

I wanted to say for a moment that Anakan was a pretty emo moody young jedi himself but then I remembered Anakan was born into slavery and at a young age had to leave his only parent he ever knew, his mother. Who he then found near death after being captured and raped or w/e by sand people. I mean, he legit had a messed up childhood and teenage years.

Fast forward to the perfect "millennial problems" villain Ben Solo. Son of the General of the Rebel Alliance Han Solo and a force sensitive princess from Alderaan who is also one of the highest ranking people in the Rebellion - and this kid was born AFTER they no longer had to fight in the rebellion because they'd already defeated the Empire. A time of galactic peace. He no doubt grew up one of the richest most privileged kids in the galaxy. His biggest problem in his young life is that his parents "never understood him"

:roll:

[DCL]

some reviews by more observant movie critics:

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/critics-star-wars-force-awakens-blast-film-said-152125474.html

[Nick Young]

some reviews by more observant movie critics:

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/critics-star-wars-force-awakens-blast-film-said-152125474.html
There is a good reason nobody respects Yahoo in this day and age.

[CavaliersFTW]

There is a good reason nobody respects Yahoo in this day and age.
They didn't write that, all they did was collect it. Those are reviews from a collection of other critics :confusedshrug:

[DCL]

There is a good reason nobody respects Yahoo in this day and age.

http://bgr.com/2015/12/24/star-wars-the-force-awakens-negative-reviews/

they're not written by yahoo. come on, be more observant.

[Nick Young]

smite down thee blasphemers and heretics!

[Shade8780]

Re post from Reddit.


This is an excerpt from the novelisation of TFA:

Halting an arm's length from his father, Ren unclipped his lightsaber, looked down at it for a moment, and then extended it toward Han. For an instant that seemed to extended into forever, nothing happened. Smiling, Han reached for the weapon. Then, as the light from outside was fully blocked by the flow of descending, accumulating dark energy, Ren ignited the lightsaber -- and the fiery red beam lanced outward to pierce Han's chest from front to back...

...Stunned by his own action, Kylo Ren fell to his knees. Following through on the act ought to have made him stronger, a part of him believed. Instead he found himself weakened.

(The emphasis was added by me.)

So as you see, Ren had much bigger demons in his mind when he went off to face Rey and Finn. He quite clearly was conflicted, Ben Solo and Kylo Ren were warring inside his mind and he felt "weakened".

Not to mention the hit from the bowcaster which was sending three to four Stormtroopers flying at a go. Hardly an easy shot to take right to the gut.

That his why Finn, a Stormtrooper with some close quarters knowledge, and Rey, an extremely powerful but untrained Force sensitive with considerable skills with the staff, defeated Kylo Ren. He simply was not in full control of his power at the time.

Thoughts?

EDIT:

Another two excerpts from the book.

1 -

Before she could fire, Ren raised a hand, halting her. She strained against him, her anger giving her strength. But she couldn't fire. He was struggling also, against her newly discovered ability as well as the wound inflicted by Chewbacca's bowcaster.

2 -

Finn blocked him again and again, once letting the other man's beam slide against his own and harmlessly off to one side. He counterattacked, to no avail. The longer the contest continued, the stronger Ren seemed to become. It was as if he was enjoying the challenge. Feeding upon it.

At least, it appeared so until Finn parried, swung, and unexpectedly stabbed, the tip of his lightsaber beam grazing Ren's arm. That made it more than a challenge. Taking a step back, Ren reconsidered gis opponent. When he closed the distance between them anew, it was with a purpose that had been previously lacking. Expecting an execution, he had found a contest. Now he had been touched. It was time for play to end.

EDIT 2:

Another excerpt.

Switching off his own weapon, Ren extended an arm toward the device lying in the snow. It twitched and then began to vibrate as the Force called to it. Stretching out his hand further, straining, Ren beckoned powerfully -- and the lightsaber rose, to come bulleting toward his outstretched fingers.

And past them.

Taken aback, he whirled -- to see the weapon land in the hand of a girl standing by a tree. Rey appeared equally shocked that her reach for the device had exceeded his. She gazed down at the weapon now resting in her grip.

"It is you," Ren murmured.

Clearly this shows that Rey is far from a simple scavenger on Jakku. My personal theory is Ren has been hunting for a certain girl, incredibly strong in the Force, who was hidden from him when he went on his murderous rampage against the new Jedi order. This girl (who might even be Luke's daughter) could turn up more powerful than him, and destroy him and the First Order, so she must be stopped.

That's why he also flips his shit ("What GIRL?!") when the Lieutenant reports to him that BB-8 and Finn were assisted by Rey on Jakku. He's been looking for her, and he's scared of her. A lot.

EDIT 3:

MORE!

For a while she (Rey) actually drove him (Ren) backward, until he regained his self-assurance and in turn pressed her.

EDIT 4:

More, at the request of /u/eoinster and /u/Doom_Phd.

Slowly she shook her head. "The Force?" That was what this was about? Instead of moving to defend herself, Rey closed her eyes. Ren hesitated, confused by her actions. A long moment passed, in which Ren sensed a change in the air, a change in her. Then she opened her eyes and attacked, viciously, in a way she didn't know she was capable of, striking again and again as Ren was slowly driven back. The flaring energy from the interacting lightsabers was more pronounced than ever in the flurry of her attack. And -- Ren went down.

He was up again in an instant, but not in time to fully deflect a following blow from Rey's weapon. He succeeded in blocking it, but he still took the full force of the strike against the haft of his own lightsaber. The weapon went flying into the snow. Unarmed, he raised a hand and utilised the Force to fend off one slashing blow after another, until finally her fury penetrated his remaining defenses. Taking a glancing blow to the head and chest, he went down a prominent burn slashed across his face. Weakened, he reached out toward his lightsaber, trying to draw it to him.

One downward cut, she saw. One quick, final strike, and she could kill him. The landing lights of a shuttle appeared in the distance, coming over the trees in her direction. She had to make a decision, now.

Kill him, a voice inside her head said. It was amorphous, unidentifiable, raw. Pure vengeful emotion. So easy, she told herself. So quick.

She recoiled from it. From the dark side.

Interesting

[Nick Young]

So as you see, Ren had much bigger demons in his mind when he went off to face Rey and Finn. He quite clearly was conflicted, Ben Solo and Kylo Ren were warring inside his mind and he felt "weakened".

Not to mention the hit from the bowcaster which was sending three to four Stormtroopers flying at a go. Hardly an easy shot to take right to the gut.

This was all pretty clear the first time I watched the movie. And even clearer the second time. People complaining about Ren not instantly killing Rey and Finn were not paying attention.



Clearly this shows that Rey is far from a simple scavenger on Jakku. My personal theory is Ren has been hunting for a certain girl, incredibly strong in the Force, who was hidden from him when he went on his murderous rampage against the new Jedi order. This girl (who might even be Luke's daughter) could turn up more powerful than him, and destroy him and the First Order, so she must be stopped.

KYLO REN KNOWS THAT LUKE HAD A DAUGHTER. That's why when people say BB8 is with a girl he's like "A GIRL? WHAT GIRL?" because he phucking knows that Luke's daughter the mega force adept is out there somewhere.





I thought about this today-

I bet Kylo Ren blames Han for the fact that he isn't as powerful in the force as he wants to be. If Luke was his father Kylo would have been much stronger. I bet Kylo resents and blames Han the non force-adept for his weakness by dilluting the bloodline from Anakin. That's why he ran away from the lightside and had so much resentment against Han.

Leia is strong but she's not at the level of Luke.



THE QUESTION REMAINS-How come Kylo didn't simply kill Rey if he is after Luke's daughter and wants to kill her? How come he let her live? How come he asked her to train with him during the fight?

Maybe he wants Rey to join his side so he can take down Snoke.


I think Rey is either Luke's daughter, or a female Luke clone created from Luke's hand. Hopefully Luke's daughter, that would be cooler.

[Smook B]

Baddest Jedi ever.

https://s-media-cache-ak0.pinimg.com/236x/42/77/3d/42773dc521172c2ecb967be56ed7c058.jpg

[SpecialQue]

Re post from Reddit.



Interesting

Novelizations mean jack shit. According to the novelization of Gremlins, those shits are from outer space.

[Smook B]

Re post from Reddit.



Interesting

Emo.

[gigantes]

some reviews by more observant movie critics:

https://www.yahoo.com/tech/critics-star-wars-force-awakens-blast-film-said-152125474.html
one of them pretty much nailed how i feel about TFA:

it's a couple days later and i can barely remember the movie. very little stands out except for the han - ben and luke - rey scenes. that ain't a good sign.

i think i probably overestimated the film, along with most critics, because we genuinely wanted to like it. but i think we got conned, essentially. we fell for the razzle-dazzle last night and this morning we woke up next to a pig. :(

[KelticForce1349]

I just saw the movie this morning and I like it as a re-birth of the Star Wars series. This was not a film that I could love, but nothing that I would say that I hate.

I think my biggest issue with this film is that so much of the story feels recycled. Other than seeing Snoke (the new emperor, something we didn't see until episode 5) this feels like a remake of episode 4, A New Hope.

If the pattern continues...the next film should be fantastic.

[zoom17]

After watching this again it felt like a speed run through a recreation of the first three films. With almost no new plot movement outside recreating and retreading on past story events. This was a safe movie not an innovation in any manner.

[macmac]

This was less of a sequel and more of a remake. Death Stars, sons killing fathers, a chosen one living as a poor scavenger on a desert planet, etc etc. But without any of the soul. Way too much action and little plot and tension build up. Movie lasts way too long too, could have easily told that story in an hour and a half.

The new characters were not bad, everything else sucked pretty much.

Why the fukk would Han Solo bring these renegades to a bar, isn't it obvious they would get spotted? You figure this guy would have some common sense.

[hateraid]

Really, the only thing I regret is reading chat forums. I realize that it is likely Rey is Luke's daughter, I just wish I didn't read into any of the spoilers that confirms it. Back in the days where there was no Internet or social media, reveals like that weren't so easy to come by. The reveal of Darth being Luke's father was one of the greatest movie moments in history.
I really hope there is a plot twist that confirms Luke is not Rey's father

[Nick Young]

There aren't any spoilers that confirm it. She might not be Luke's daughter, they're just making it obvious that she is.

it would be a cool twist if it turns out she ISN'T Luke's daughter. They can go a lot of places with these characters now. I'm excited.

[DonDadda59]

This was less of a sequel and more of a remake. Death Stars, sons killing fathers, a chosen one living as a poor scavenger on a desert planet, etc etc. But without any of the soul. Way too much action and little plot and tension build up. Movie lasts way too long too, could have easily told that story in an hour and a half.

The new characters were not bad, everything else sucked pretty much.

Why the fukk would Han Solo bring these renegades to a bar, isn't it obvious they would get spotted? You figure this guy would have some common sense.

Because the original had an iconic Cantina scene, therefore the remake needed one too.

Very original and inspired stuff.

[tomtucker]

shit....it has made a billion dollars, but must user reviews says it crap, just check out imdb

were the pro movie critics paid to give it a good review ?

[CavaliersFTW]

Because the original had an iconic Cantina scene, therefore the remake needed one too.

Very original and inspired stuff.
And he's back to his old smuggling ways again.

Disney didn't like that he became a general so they hit the character reset button :lol

[Mr. Jabbar]

Completely agree with op.

BTW, whats up with the black stormtrooper Boyega? Whata friken way to ruin the movie....geez.. LAME forced "funny" character. Him and the new Darth vader that gets bullied by everyone and inspirise ZERO fear or respect are by far the worst of this DISNEY movie. YEs, its not star wars anymore its a DISNEY movie, full of OT pop culture cliches. A lot like the new terminator.

Stick to cartoons and Theme parks disney, kthxbai.

[DCL]

of course the cantina remake scene had to be in it. it's one of the scenes that blew your dad's and uncle's minds back when they saw it in 1977. it's like abrams approached the film with a 20-page checklist of all elements to recreate. they already had a working star wars model of what worked and what didn't work.

the copied elements that abrams used didn't suck, but they just weren't very original as most people had pointed out. it's like watching a dunk contest and seeing the guy do the same dunk over and over and over with slight variation. it's just doing it safe. congrats to them on winning at the box office, but they were scared to do it without following the blue print.

[CavaliersFTW]

shit....it has made a billion dollars, but must user reviews says it crap, just check out imdb

were the pro movie critics paid to give it a good review ?
I'm starting to wonder this myself.

Rotten Tomatoes gives this movie a 94% (last week was a 95%) - making it the highest rated Star Wars movie on their site.

The Force Awakens (94-95%)

A New Hope (94%)
Empire Strikes Back (94%)
Return of The Jedi (80%)
Revenge of The Sith (79%)
Attack of The Clones (66%)
The Phantom Menace (56%)

I smell bullshit. Most people I'm talking to in real life are telling me it was merely okay, or are pointing out problems with it. A few on facebook jumped on the hype bandwagon though and were geeking out as they put it. I still think although it had some positive elements to it it was not as good of a star wars movie even as the prequels - the "world" and creatures managed to feel too different than Lucas' Star Wars Universe (shocking since the plot almost copies word for word ANH). I also disagree with that Phantom Menace rating. Just goes to show that the rating of a movie has no bearing on its box office performance anyways. Phantom Menace shattered records when it came out too. Despite all the hate it eventually got. Maybe that's what's going to happen with this movie. After a few weeks when the ones with blinders on see it for the 3rd or 4th time they'll too start to see some of the criticisms and this movie will drop in rating. I noticed it already dropped a point since last week.

[Mr. Jabbar]

The force is weak AF with jew jew Abrams.

[LJJ]

I'm starting to wonder this myself.

Rotten Tomatoes gives this movie a 94% (last week was a 95%) - making it the highest rated Star Wars movie on their site.

The Force Awakens (94-95%)

A New Hope (94%)
Empire Strikes Back (94%)
Return of The Jedi (80%)
Revenge of The Sith (79%)
Attack of The Clones (66%)
The Phantom Menace (56%)

I smell bullshit. Most people I'm talking to in real life are telling me it was merely okay, or are pointing out problems with it. A few on facebook jumped on the hype bandwagon though and were geeking out as they put it. I still think although it had some positive elements to it it was not as good of a star wars movie even as the prequels - the "world" and creatures managed to feel too different than Lucas' Star Wars Universe (shocking since the plot almost copies word for word ANH). I also disagree with that Phantom Menace rating. Just goes to show that the rating of a movie has no bearing on its review anyways. Phantom Menace shattered records when it came out too. Despite all the hate it eventually got. Maybe that's what's going to happen with this movie. After a few weeks when the ones with blinders on see it for the 3rd or 4th time they'll too start to see some of the criticisms and this movie will drop in rating. I noticed it already dropped a point since last week.

Here the actual average critic ratings on RT:

The Force Awakens 8.2/10

A New Hope 8.5/10
Empire Strikes Back 8.9/10
Return of The Jedi 7.2/10
Revenge of The Sith 7.3/10
Attack of The Clones 6.7/10
The Phantom Menace 6/10

[Nick Young]

Sorry nubcannons. The Force Awakens is the second best Star Wars movie behind only Empire Strikes Back.


Time will reveal this to be true.


it was a great movie. DEAL WITH IT

[SpecialQue]

I'm starting to wonder this myself.

Rotten Tomatoes gives this movie a 94% (last week was a 95%) - making it the highest rated Star Wars movie on their site.

The Force Awakens (94-95%)

A New Hope (94%)
Empire Strikes Back (94%)
Return of The Jedi (80%)
Revenge of The Sith (79%)
Attack of The Clones (66%)
The Phantom Menace (56%)

I smell bullshit. Most people I'm talking to in real life are telling me it was merely okay, or are pointing out problems with it. A few on facebook jumped on the hype bandwagon though and were geeking out as they put it. I still think although it had some positive elements to it it was not as good of a star wars movie even as the prequels - the "world" and creatures managed to feel too different than Lucas' Star Wars Universe (shocking since the plot almost copies word for word ANH). I also disagree with that Phantom Menace rating. Just goes to show that the rating of a movie has no bearing on its box office performance anyways. Phantom Menace shattered records when it came out too. Despite all the hate it eventually got. Maybe that's what's going to happen with this movie. After a few weeks when the ones with blinders on see it for the 3rd or 4th time they'll too start to see some of the criticisms and this movie will drop in rating. I noticed it already dropped a point since last week.

It's the Abrams effect. His movies are fun as hell when you're in the theater, but the second you start thinking about them they get worse. I don't think this nigguh's ever made a movie that stands the test of time.

[CavaliersFTW]

Sorry nubcannons. The Force Awakens is the second best Star Wars movie behind only Empire Strikes Back.


Time will reveal this to be true.


it was a great movie. DEAL WITH IT
So in 30 years you and your kids will want to bust out and pop in the old Blu Ray or "4k" release of either Force Awakens or ESB before you would any other star wars movie?

You'd watch both and say see kids these are the two best star wars movies?

[Nick Young]

So in 30 years you and your kids will want to bust out and pop in the old Blu Ray or "4k" release of either Force Awakens or ESB before you would any other star wars movie?

You'd watch both and say see kids these are the two best star wars movies?
I'd watch them all in order, original trilogy, and prequels, then new trilogy and when Force Awakens comes I'd be like "You're in for a treat kids, this is one of the best Star Wars films out of all of them."

I'd let my kids make their own opinions of course. Maybe Attack of the Clones is their favorite and the one they want to watch over and over. So be it. I don't have be there with them every time they watch it.

I don't know what the next movies will be like. Who knows, they might be as good as empire or eclipse it. They might both be better than the Force Awakens. As of right now, I definitely rate The Force Awakens as the second best Star Wars movie. A New Hope is great but it has a lot of shitty dialogue, and I don't think it stands up as well if you didn't grow up with it from a young age.

The Force Awakens gets better and better with every rewatch. It's the first Abrams movie that does that-probably because he had Disney producers and writers backing him up too.

[CavaliersFTW]

I'd watch them all in order, original trilogy, and prequels, then new trilogy and when Force Awakens comes I'd be like "You're in for a treat kids, this is one of the best Star Wars films out of all of them."

I'd let my kids make their own choices of course. Maybe Attack of the Clones is their favorite and the one they want to watch over and over. So be it. I don't have be there with them every time they watch it.
Interesting, I actually will be interested to know the opinion of my future kids. They'll be clean slate essentially I won't even tell them what my opinion is I'll treat it as an experiment when they watch them and see which ones they enjoy.

How I got introduced to star wars was being at the library in like 1992 and just seeing the vhs artwork and saying I wanted to watch "this" (It was Empire Strikes Back). We're talking pre-1997 remastered release. I watched it and was blown away. The big walkers and the snow planet and the tauntan and what not. Those memories are still crystal clear to me of being totally hooked from there on out.

I think from there on out, I was literally blown away by every star wars movie up until Revenge of The Sith. By Revenge of The Sith I was 18 years old and to be honest that may be my personal least favorite of the prequels and I noticed that doesn't click well with other peoples opinions or reviews. All other movies I saw I was more or less still a kid at heart when I saw them for the first time. I wonder sometimes if getting older has affected my ability to really get invested in Star Wars movies from here on out - like if I've actually got legit criticisms or if I'm just too removed from my youth.

[Terahite]

Movie was a total disappointment. Rehashed plot devices, self-aware characters, boring action scenes, etc. It felt really weak. This was way closer to the prequels than the originals in terms of quality. Disney laughing all the way to the bank.

The only really intelligent and original movie I saw this year was Ex Machina. Hollywood puttin' out 98% shit as usual.

[Dragonyeuw]

Regarding the Rey is a Mary Sue compared to Luke, I think people need to look deeper at Luke's evolution as portrayed in the OT. In a new hope, he had literally just scratched the surface learning how to handle the saber to repel fire. He was only with Obiwan for what was likely a few days, so how much did he learn? Then 'using the force' at the end to blow up the death star: how did he learn to have the will and concentration to do that?

Flash forward a few years later to empire strikes back, we see Luke using the force to call the saber in the wampa cave. Who taught him to do that? Luke's initial uses of the force were more based on intuition than proper training. Remember, Luke was not a properly trained Jedi. He received what would a matter of what, weeks, training from Yoda before going to fight Vader. Then flash forward to Jedi. Luke was clearly much better in Jedi than we last saw him. How did he get better in that timespan? Through effectively training himself. The use of the force has always been portrayed as an intuitive thing, so I dont get the complaints about Rey. One, she's clearly very powerful, likely and strongly rumored from the Skywalker line. Second, its quite possible that she has already received some level of training before. Alot of her background is still shrouded in mystery, for all we know we may see a Jason Bourne type storyline where we see that she has previous training that lied dormant due to memory wipe or whatever.

[falc39]

Regarding the Rey is a Mary Sue compared to Luke, I think people need to look deeper at Luke's evolution as portrayed in the OT. In a new hope, he had literally just scratched the surface learning how to handle the saber to repel fire. He was only with Obiwan for what was likely a few days, so how much did he learn? Then 'using the force' at the end to blow up the death star: how did he learn to have the will and concentration to do that?

Flash forward a few years later to empire strikes back, we see Luke using the force to call the saber in the wampa cave. Who taught him to do that? Luke's initial uses of the force were more based on intuition than proper training. Remember, Luke was not a properly trained Jedi. He received what would a matter of what, weeks, training from Yoda before going to fight Vader. Then flash forward to Jedi. Luke was clearly much better in Jedi than we last saw him. How did he get better in that timespan? Through effectively training himself. The use of the force has always been portrayed as an intuitive thing, so I dont get the complaints about Rey. One, she's clearly very powerful, likely and strongly rumored from the Skywalker line. Second, its quite possible that she has already received some level of training before. Alot of her background is still shrouded in mystery, for all we know we may see a Jason Bourne type storyline where we see that she has previous training that lied dormant due to memory wipe or whatever.

The writers/director could've done a better job in fleshing out Rey as a character. Sure, we can speculate what happened before and make leaps of faith and assume certain things happened, but in the end, the audience sees only what is shown, and really no time was spent showing the progression that Rey "supposedly" went through compared to Luke. That's why, even if you can rationalize it down to the finest detail, it still is not convincing to a lot of people or makes for a good character development (I'm only talking within the movie). It's a lot more effective from a storytelling perspective when the audience goes through the process with the character, like they did with Luke. Luke was such a weakling in the first movie, had to be helped so many times by Obi-Wan and his friends, that in the end, when he finally sniffs success (with again needing some help by his mentor and Han getting Vader off his back), it feels like a real accomplishment. You really don't get that with Rey. She does everything herself and all the characters are constantly praising her... the end. I'm sure Disney will fill the gaps at some point but I'm looking at it from the audiences' perspective within the movie and why it is bad/rushed writing.

[Patrick Chewing]

Snokes = Darth Plagueis

He can resurrect people.

Episode 9 = Vader Lives

[Nick Young]

The worst thread of 2015 award goes to this one. The Force Awakens was the best movie of the year.

[Nick Young]

The writers/director could've done a better job in fleshing out Rey as a character. Sure, we can speculate what happened before and make leaps of faith and assume certain things happened, but in the end, the audience sees only what is shown, and really no time was spent showing the progression that Rey "supposedly" went through compared to Luke. That's why, even if you can rationalize it down to the finest detail, it still is not convincing to a lot of people or makes for a good character development (I'm only talking within the movie). It's a lot more effective from a storytelling perspective when the audience goes through the process with the character, like they did with Luke. Luke was such a weakling in the first movie, had to be helped so many times by Obi-Wan and his friends, that in the end, when he finally sniffs success (with again needing some help by his mentor and Han getting Vader off his back), it feels like a real accomplishment. You really don't get that with Rey. She does everything herself and all the characters are constantly praising her... the end. I'm sure Disney will fill the gaps at some point but I'm looking at it from the audiences' perspective within the movie and why it is bad/rushed writing.


She was a well fleshed out character breh.


I think your memory of New Hope betrays you. Luke was never shown to be a weakling except when he gets jumped by the sand people while using his binoculars.



He shoots down multiple TIE fighters. Remember, Luke is an untrained farmer, the Millenium Falcon is an out of date ship that's always breaking down, and the TIE fighter pilots are presumably highly trained. What else are they going to do all day in space except simulations and drills?

He is able to shoot multiple storm troopers and gets out of the death star without getting injured at all. Remember, Storm troopers are highly trained soldiers, and again Luke is just a scrub untrained farmer. This is the equivalent of a farm hand from Kansas going in to a US military base and shooting down several soldiers in a firefight and then escaping unharmed.

Then in the attack on the death star he survives the dog fight, shoots some TIEs down (the empires elite highly trained pilots-this is like an amateur pilot who has only played Microsoft Flight Simulator and gone up in his bush plane getting in an F15 for the first time and outflying a bunch of MIGs flown by elite pilots with years of military training. He also lands the torpedo shot that the best pilot in the Rebellion, Gold Leader, missed. He didn't even need the missile guidance system, he landed the shot on pure instinct and skill.

None of these things point to him being weak. He was unsure of himself but not a weakling.


He also was able to deflect the lasers from the training droid with the blast shield down the very first time he ever tried it. The only guidance he ever received was "trust your feelings".



Rey was only able to use force powers after she saw other people do them.


Using the force is very intuitive for these force sensitives. It's not like they have to train for years to do techniques. It's not like Dragonball Z.

[CavaliersFTW]

The worst thread of 2015 award goes to this one. The Force Awakens was the best movie of the year.
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[falc39]

She was a well fleshed out character breh.


I think your memory of New Hope betrays you. Luke was never shown to be a weakling except when he gets jumped by the sand people while using his binoculars.

Or is your memory not correct? Obi-wan clearly saves him (again) in the cantina scene. He clearly needs help from his friends and mentoring from Obi-Wan throughout most of the movie. Now if it was Rey, she prob would've taken out the Tusken Raiders, win the bar fight in the cantina, and pilot the millennium falcon out of mos eisley. You don't see the difference?

I'm not the only one complaining about her being OP, it is mentioned a lot and is one of top 3 complaints of this movie. So clearly the writers could've done a better job in this area. At some point they will fill in the gaps but I'm just talking about within this movie it could've been done better.

[Nick Young]

Or is your memory not correct? Obi-wan clearly saves him (again) in the cantina scene. He clearly needs help from his friends and mentoring from Obi-Wan throughout most of the movie. Now if it was Rey, she prob would've taken out the Tusken Raiders, win the bar fight in the cantina, and pilot the millennium falcon out of mos eisley. You don't see the difference?

I'm not the only one complaining about her being OP, it is mentioned a lot and is one of top 3 complaints of this movie. So clearly the writers could've done a better job in this area. At some point they will fill in the gaps but I'm just talking about within this movie it could've been done better.
He shoots down multiple TIE fighters. Remember, Luke is an untrained farmer, the Millenium Falcon is an out of date ship that's always breaking down, and the TIE fighter pilots are presumably highly trained. What else are they going to do all day in space except simulations and drills?

He is able to shoot multiple storm troopers and gets out of the death star without getting injured at all. Remember, Storm troopers are highly trained soldiers, and again Luke is just a scrub untrained farmer. This is the equivalent of a farm hand from Kansas going in to a US military base and shooting down several soldiers in a firefight and then escaping unharmed.

Then in the attack on the death star he survives the dog fight, shoots some TIEs down (the empires elite highly trained pilots-this is like an amateur pilot who has only played Microsoft Flight Simulator and gone up in his bush plane getting in an F15 for the first time and outflying a bunch of MIGs flown by elite pilots with years of military training. He also lands the torpedo shot that the best pilot in the Rebellion, Gold Leader, missed. He didn't even need the missile guidance system, he landed the shot on pure instinct and skill.

None of these things point to him being weak. He was unsure of himself but not a weakling.


He also was able to deflect the lasers from the training droid with the blast shield down the very first time he ever tried it. The only guidance he ever received was "trust your feelings".





Rey was not perfect. She tried to run away from everything and then got owned and captured by Kylo Ren at the forest planet

[DrakeTheSnake]

Part of the problem is that George Lucas didn't make it, and I could tell.

Bitch, did you watch the prequels?

[DrakeTheSnake]

This fool thought the prequels felt more like the OT than Ep 7. :facepalm

[Micku]

He shoots down multiple TIE fighters. Remember, Luke is an untrained farmer, the Millenium Falcon is an out of date ship that's always breaking down, and the TIE fighter pilots are presumably highly trained. What else are they going to do all day in space except simulations and drills?

He is able to shoot multiple storm troopers and gets out of the death star without getting injured at all. Remember, Storm troopers are highly trained soldiers, and again Luke is just a scrub untrained farmer. This is the equivalent of a farm hand from Kansas going in to a US military base and shooting down several soldiers in a firefight and then escaping unharmed.

Then in the attack on the death star he survives the dog fight, shoots some TIEs down (the empires elite highly trained pilots-this is like an amateur pilot who has only played Microsoft Flight Simulator and gone up in his bush plane getting in an F15 for the first time and outflying a bunch of MIGs flown by elite pilots with years of military training. He also lands the torpedo shot that the best pilot in the Rebellion, Gold Leader, missed. He didn't even need the missile guidance system, he landed the shot on pure instinct and skill.

None of these things point to him being weak. He was unsure of himself but not a weakling.


He also was able to deflect the lasers from the training droid with the blast shield down the very first time he ever tried it. The only guidance he ever received was "trust your feelings".





Rey was not perfect. She tried to run away from everything and then got owned and captured by Kylo Ren at the forest planet

Well, Luke got lucky and was saved by Han Solo when trying to destroy the Death Star. Luke did get the Obi-Wan spirit telling him to trust his feelings.

And the deflecting the lasers from the droid was pretty much the only training aside from off screen that he got. And he even messed up there. At least it was something. Rey didn't get shit. She used the force after 20 mins of discovering it. When she used the force to get the lightsaber, it was probably only a few hours after learning the force. For Luke, it took three years between A New Hope and Empire Strikes Back for him to do it, at least for the audience to see it.

Rey did it way too quickly. Anakin, the choosen one, didn't do that. Luke didn't do that. Almost nobody from the EU couldn't do it without training. It's bullshit without an explanation. And Kylo Ren or anybody else didn't consider THAT unusual.

Rey is a Mary Sue. She fought back Kylo Ren with reading the mind. She used the mind trick without training or hearing about it, from what we know. She defeated Kylo Ren. I know he was hurt, but he was still trained by Luke Skywalker to use the force and to use a lightsaber. She never picked up a lightsaber in her life. What the hell? Hardly anyone has done something like this...ever in the history of Star Wars, this includes movies, comic books, video games, novels and cartoons. Everyone had to have training before they could do what Rey did in the movie.

Luke learn the force very quickly too, but at least it took three movies before Luke could do the jedi mind trick, so about four years in total, plus training from Yoda and Obi-Wan spirit/encouraging training him. Rey did it after 20 mins of learning she has the force, and it wasn't revealed how she learned how she knows how to do it. It's buillshit.

Not to mention learning how to fly the Falcon like that like she is Han Solo or Poe. Knowing where everything is better than Han Solo.

And I wouldn't mind if Rey is the Mary Sue of Star Wars as long as people were more amazed by it. She is unnatural, so I wish other characters would surprise at her ability. A simple: "She is very unique." or "She is special." would've done it. But there is no context to her abilities. She is too good at everything without progression, kind'a out shining everybody, so she is a Mary Sue.

AND the fact the she got captured by Kylo Ren, learned to combat his mind reading force ability, used the jedi mind trick, used the force to get the lightsaber, used the force to calm herself and guide her to defeat Kylo Ren in a lightsaber duel, all in the span of 20 mins should piss you off. The pacing is off and she learned it too fast. It could've been written better. This is like a fanfiction of A New Hope, and A New Hope pacing was better.

Rey could've been written better in terms of force powers and her ability. It was way too quick. Hopefully there will be an explanation of how and why she learned the force so quickly in the next movie. In comparison, the development of Luke was very good. He was weak in the first movie, over confident in the second movie, and still got tempted by the dark side in the third movie. There was more development and he used the force in increments movie by movie. He was not capable of using the jedi mind trick in the first movie nor could he defeat Vader, injured or not. It wasn't until the third movie that we see him be this calm and confident person. The audience grew up with him and saw him grow.

Rey is doing this too fast.

[Dragonyeuw]

The writers/director could've done a better job in fleshing out Rey as a character. Sure, we can speculate what happened before and make leaps of faith and assume certain things happened, but in the end, the audience sees only what is shown, and really no time was spent showing the progression that Rey "supposedly" went through compared to Luke. That's why, even if you can rationalize it down to the finest detail, it still is not convincing to a lot of people or makes for a good character development (I'm only talking within the movie). It's a lot more effective from a storytelling perspective when the audience goes through the process with the character, like they did with Luke. Luke was such a weakling in the first movie, had to be helped so many times by Obi-Wan and his friends, that in the end, when he finally sniffs success (with again needing some help by his mentor and Han getting Vader off his back), it feels like a real accomplishment. You really don't get that with Rey. She does everything herself and all the characters are constantly praising her... the end. I'm sure Disney will fill the gaps at some point but I'm looking at it from the audiences' perspective within the movie and why it is bad/rushed writing.

Rey is written differently, maybe it does make Luke more relatable as an everyman I suppose. But I would guess Rey's character arc is going to have more to do with discovering her origins than her discovery of the force. We have the benefit of hindsight to see how Luke turned out, we don't have the same for Rey. I think she deserves the same 3 movies than Luke got before coming to a verdict on her characterization.

[Micku]

Rey is written differently, maybe it does make Luke more relatable as an everyman I suppose. But I would guess Rey's character arc is going to have more to do with discovering her origins than her discovery of the force. We have the benefit of hindsight to see how Luke turned out, we don't have the same for Rey. I think she deserves the same 3 movies than Luke got before coming to a verdict on her characterization.

Well, I hope it does explain it. Rey is a bit unnatural when using the force. From what we seen, she learn how to do the jedi mind trick without even knowing what it is. I think it would've been better if somebody in the movie were to comments on her abilities and say how special she is.

We just have to wait and see. But as a stand alone movie? I personally don't like Rey's development so far. She kind'a removed the threat of Kylo Ren, and she already knows how to use the force without training. With Luke I guess she'll be more in control, but she'll be more OP.

We just have to wait and see I guess.

[CavaliersFTW]

Rey is written differently, maybe it does make Luke more relatable as an everyman I suppose. But I would guess Rey's character arc is going to have more to do with discovering her origins than her discovery of the force. We have the benefit of hindsight to see how Luke turned out, we don't have the same for Rey. I think she deserves the same 3 movies than Luke got before coming to a verdict on her characterization.
Rey was written as a hero for modern feminists and social justice warriors.

"I don't need men, nor help from anyone I'm a strong independent woman hear me roar"

It's too much though. The audience can't even feel the threats coming her way because she just gets out of everything because she seemingly knows how to get out of every situation despite growing up a sheltered orphan who salvaged trash for a living. As people pointed out, even Luke needed a great deal of help. Without vulnerability there is no drama. Force awakens falls flat in terms of drama due to the implausible strength of Rey. Kind of ruined the entire idea of the force to make her so powerful within 20 minutes when it took Luke (son of the chosen one) 6 years (with training from Yoda and Obi Wan) to reach the same level of power.

[Dragonyeuw]

Fair criticisms above. I'm not necessarily defending how she was written, I'm just saying that her character wasn't written as a mirror of Luke's. Now, her being too OP to where it removes all dramatic tension? I'd say that's a legit issue, I mean it didn't take me out of the movie but I can understand others feeling that way. I would say if she was written too weak, or too sexualized, all the feminist groups would be up in arms. So she probably was written in a way as to avoid offending 'someone', in this PC world we live in. The thing with Luke, in A New Hope his character was written to have a self-contained arc within the film. Sequels weren't a sure thing back in 1977. With Rey, we know that this is just the first in a new trilogy, so there is an element of 'wait till the next film' in how she was written.

[Micku]

Rey was written as a hero for modern feminists and social justice warriors.

"I don't need men, nor help from anyone I'm a strong independent woman hear me roar"

It's too much though. The audience can't even feel the threats coming her way because she just gets out of everything because she seemingly knows how to get out of every situation despite growing up a sheltered orphan who salvaged trash for a living. As people pointed out, even Luke needed a great deal of help. Without vulnerability there is no drama. Force awakens falls flat in terms of drama due to the implausible strength of Rey. Kind of ruined the entire idea of the force to make her so powerful within 20 minutes when it took Luke (son of the chosen one) 6 years (with training from Yoda and Obi Wan) to reach the same level of power.

Yeah. I'm not exactly asking for ultra realistic portions here, but I'm asking for some sort of learning curve given her premise as a character. Have her fail and get back up again. She did not really fail. She was too good at everything in comparison to almost everybody else and comparison to other movies, games, comic books, and novels in the SW universe.

She is too good at piloting without even trying out the Falcon, too good at learning the force which makes Anakin (the chosen one) and Luke look bad. How come Anakin didn't learn this fast? She is better at hand to hand combat than Finn even though he is trained as a soldier.

She is perfect at almost everything she does. Outshining almost every character she comes across. Outshine Han Solo by knowing stuff about his ship that he did not pick up on, Finn, Poe (she exhibit awesome tricks that Poe did not do), and Kylo Ren via the force.

She escaped by herself when she got captured. Didn't give in to the Kylo Ren. She did not need help for the most like Luke did. He got saved and received guidance many times. And he did not defeat the baddie in the first movie either.

She is a Mary Sue, and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I figure you are taught as a writer not to do this. You are criticize by doing this in fanfiction. Why is it okay here?

[Nick Young]

Rey didn't know more about the Falcon then Han. She knew that her boss put a fuel compressor and hyperspace compressor in it. When she fixes the ship and says "I bypassed the compressor" it seems like all she did was rip out the compressor her boss put in.

Is that so hard to believe? A girl who scavenges old ships and has a boss who tells her about mods he put in to ships figured out where the compressor would be and ripped it out?


Anakin destroyed the trade federation space station his very first time ever flying a starfighter.

He also was the first human ever to complete a pod race.

The queen of Naboo also fell in love with him at first sight.


All at the age of 8 years old.



And he did not defeat the baddie in the first movie either.

Luke defeated 300,000 baddies in the first movie he appeared in.

[CavaliersFTW]

Yeah. I'm not exactly asking for ultra realistic portions here, but I'm asking for some sort of learning curve given her premise as a character. Have her fail and get back up again. She did not really fail. She was too good at everything in comparison to almost everybody else and comparison to other movies, games, comic books, and novels in the SW universe.

She is too good at piloting without even trying out the Falcon, too good at learning the force which makes Anakin (the chosen one) and Luke look bad. How come Anakin didn't learn this fast? She is better at hand to hand combat than Finn even though he is trained as a soldier.

She is perfect at almost everything she does. Outshining almost every character she comes across. Outshine Han Solo by knowing stuff about his ship that he did not pick up on, Finn, Poe (she exhibit awesome tricks that Poe did not do), and Kylo Ren via the force.

She escaped by herself when she got captured. Didn't give in to the Kylo Ren. She did not need help for the most like Luke did. He got saved and received guidance many times. And he did not defeat the baddie in the first movie either.

She is a Mary Sue, and it left a bad taste in my mouth. I figure you are taught as a writer not to do this. You are criticize by doing this in fanfiction. Why is it okay here?
Because feminism is trending.

[CavaliersFTW]

George "invented" a pop-culture icon in star wars (almost incidentally, he never tried to do it it just happened that way) - Disney by contrast is going to play this way safe and just milk the success of OTHER pop culture references and trends. Feminism and multiculturalism is popular right now so that's what they'll do with their characters. When George made Star Wars pop culture was all about adult themed anti-heroes. He actually strayed far from that path and the film making industry at that time thought the movie would be a disaster as a result. He took a huge risk.

The biggest flaw in this entire force awakens movie is that the priority was to not offend anyone - it was the antithesis of risk taking and vision (the actual recipe for Star Wars). George Lucas - despite the many flaws and criticisms from his own movies, was always out to tell his story no matter what anyone thought, he was a maverick in film making who never cared about awards or Hollywood and you can tell from every interview he's ever done that he didn't like the industry. And it created a high upside even to his movies people didn't favorably review that we'd always see some risk being taken to deliver us the star wars story/universe - there was always something that still made you respect the movies or say wow. To innovate and experiment with vastly different worlds, and vastly different creatures. Even editing techniques (4 or 5 different converging plot lines at the end of episode 1. He tried it. No one else in big expensive movies had the balls to try it.) Many things obviously didn't sit well but that's not the kind of risks Disney will EVER take with this brand, we won't see anything dramatically new or immersive in this new series ever again. They are not about being maverick, they are about profit and sticking to the market research.

We will see pop culture reference after pop culture reference and nostalgic plug after nostalgic plug because that's what will sell to most people. Disney is trying to make fan-feel-good-movies. But for some fans like myself that actually isn't satisfying because I'm getting nothing new.

[Le Shaqtus]

Rey was written as a hero for modern feminists and social justice warriors.

"I don't need men, nor help from anyone I'm a strong independent woman hear me roar"

It's too much though. The audience can't even feel the threats coming her way because she just gets out of everything because she seemingly knows how to get out of every situation despite growing up a sheltered orphan who salvaged trash for a living. As people pointed out, even Luke needed a great deal of help. Without vulnerability there is no drama. Force awakens falls flat in terms of drama due to the implausible strength of Rey. Kind of ruined the entire idea of the force to make her so powerful within 20 minutes when it took Luke (son of the chosen one) 6 years (with training from Yoda and Obi Wan) to reach the same level of power.

Agreed 100%.

[SpecialQue]

Movie sucks.

This is the film equivalent to McDonalds.

Billions of dollars spend on bullshit.

But enjoy your Happy Meals, kiddies.

[~primetime~]

It's a Star Wars movie guys... And it was entertaining

It's not No Country for Old Men... It's Star Wars

I feel bad for you if you couldn't enjoy this because you're an overly cynical fck tard fggit.

[Micku]

Rey didn't know more about the Falcon then Han. She knew that her boss put a fuel compressor and hyperspace compressor in it. When she fixes the ship and says "I bypassed the compressor" it seems like all she did was rip out the compressor her boss put in.

Is that so hard to believe? A girl who scavenges old ships and has a boss who tells her about mods he put in to ships figured out where the compressor would be and ripped it out?

I think you are referring to me, right? I didn't say that she knew more about about the ship than Han, but I said that she knows about about the ship that he did not pick up on, about the compressor thing. That itself isn't alone to bother me as much as a complication of things in where she is good at everything. Flying the ship, helping Han with the compressor, force using, and all of that stuff. It either outshines or put her in a similar league. It's Mary Sueish at it's core.


Anakin destroyed the trade federation space station his very first time ever flying a starfighter.


Yeah, but that was cringe worthy than complete stupid. That happened mostly by accident or just dumb luck if I can recall. He got to the space station using auto pilot. The fact that he just happens to crash main Trade Federation ship, that he accidentally fire at the power core, and just left was silly luck. It had the cliche of a kids movie, but the movie itself didn't know what it wanted to be. But that's a whole rant entirely.


He also was the first human ever to complete a pod race.

Anakin raced before, so he had experience. He and Qui Gon build a custom pod that's faster than any pod that Watto had before if I can remember. The reason why Anakin was good at pod racing was because of his unusual connection to the force, being the chosen one. Being force sensitive, he had quick reflexes. They explained this in the movie in comparison to Rey in which there is no explanation at all.

Anakin was also 9 years old in this movie I believe.


Luke defeated 300,000 baddies in the first movie he appeared in. Y'know what I meant. He couldn't take on Vader in the first movie. And even with the fodder stormtroppers, he got saved by Han, Obi-Wan, and bit of luck.

[Micku]

It's a Star Wars movie guys... And it was entertaining

It's not No Country for Old Men... It's Star Wars

I feel bad for you if you couldn't enjoy this because you're an overly cynical fck tard fggit.

Hah. Well, the original trilogy was better paced and other movies that came out that was "entertaining" was also better pace to me. I am not going to accept this movie as great if there prior movies of the same franchise did it better. I'm going to point it out. I still like the movie, and waaay better acting than the prequels, but there are problems.

1. Rey is a Mary Sue.

2. It was a rehash of the A New Hope. (a similar critcism that JJ Abrams Star Trek Into The Darkness had)

The movie left me with a sour taste, but I look forward into seeing in where they would take the characters. Hopefully they can be more original next time and have an explanation of how Rey learn the force so quickly and better pacing with developing the characters.

And I think the book explains some things that I would have a problem with. The problem with that is that you can't take the movie as a stand alone. That sucks. In the book, Star Wars The Force Awakens: Before the Awakening and the novelization of The Force Awakens, explains some things that should've been in the movie.

Like she fixed freighters and make it flyable. She repaired and replace hyper drives. She has friends on Jakku. She does have some sort of flight experience. She found dome data chips which contain a flight simulator, and she pushed herself to be a master at it. She has been on board the Falcon before. She snuck into it and fiddle around. When she does use the force, Kylo Ren was much more surprise than he was in the movie and said something like: "It IS you!"

TOO BAD NONE OF THIS WAS IN THE MOVIE!! *grumbles*

[~primetime~]

It's episode 7, they didn't want to spend a lot of time showing Rey "learn the force"...we've been there, done that.

She's Luke's daughter, he probably created her without having sex somehow...he just jerked off and shot out a blast of midiclorians and a baby girl was suddenly there.

[Micku]

It's episode 7, they didn't want to spend a lot of time showing Rey "learn the force"...we've been there, done that.

She's Luke's daughter, he probably created her without having sex somehow...he just jerked off and shot out a blast of midiclorians and a baby girl was suddenly there.

If they didn't want to go that way, then they shouldn't put her in a situation where she is similar to Luke in which she needed to have training in order to do the force abilities. I can even accept that she's been practicing the force on off-screen or before the events of the movie but she didn't know what it was or something. But this was her first time using the force and there was no context. If Luke didn't do it, Anakin didn't do it, the other protagonists in books, games, and comic books didn't do this, why should she without explanation? It's bull.

That maybe the reason. But at least hint at it? Mention it? Show other characters to be more astonish of her ability to do something that nobody has ever done before without training? A simple sentence would do, saying that "You're special, but I don't know why" or something. I dunno. Anything that involves of some type of intrigue than acting like it's normal or it's not too out of the ordinary.

I can fully accept her to being a prodigy of the force that nobody has ever seen before if the movie acknowledge that as well. They didn't in this movie. Hopefully they would in the next movie, but to me TFA suffers from the dependence of the other movies if that's the case. The next movies will determine if this is a brilliant move or not. Until then, there is too speculation from the audience to fill in the ridiculous writing. Even the novels did a better job than the movie of explaining why Rey could fly. Ergh.

But it seems like my critiques of Rey being a Mary Sue is in the minority. I'm a bit surprise, seeing how this is shun with writing. It makes the character boring, little development room growth and not as reliability. Anyway, they could've been done better to me.

[falc39]

But it seems like my critiques of Rey being a Mary Sue is in the minority. I'm a bit surprise, seeing how this is shun with writing. It makes the character boring, little development room growth and not as reliability. Anyway, they could've been done better to me.

It's a fairly big minority. I agree wholeheartedly with your complaints. The character development issues actually bothered me more than the plot issues. If you go on any site that rates movies and users are allowed to upload reviews (metacritic, imdb, etc.), you will notice that the user review scores are quite a bit lower than the critics. I would say the top two complaints from user reviews that I've read are about #1 plot and #2 character development. It's good that this movie gets criticism and a lot of it early. Makes it much more likely that they wont repeat the same mistakes in the second movie. They still have a chance to turn it around. Hopefully they pay attention.

[~primetime~]

just saw it. I was entertained, but it was still by far the worst star wars film, BY FAR. I have zero interest in ever watching it a 2nd time. I have seen all of the other films at least 10 times. definetly didn't live up to the hype.

Major complaints...

-The bad guy is ugly as shit. I liked him until he took off his mask and started talking. sorry I don't have anything against ugly people, but I think starring roles in blockbuster hits shouldn't be that ****ing ugly. This bad guy also reeked of incapability.
.
So a "major complaint" is the bad guys looks?

You wish he were a typical handsome brunette male like an actual Disney cartoon?

:facepalm

Adam Driver was great in this, and he is great in everything else he has done... He's a good actor with a unique look, they found the right guy.

[Terahite]

Movie sucks.

This is the film equivalent to McDonalds.

Billions of dollars spend on bullshit.

But enjoy your Happy Meals, kiddies.

Pretty much this.

And people talking about a "Mary Sue" character should have their balls removed. I wish I could spit in your faces.

[~primetime~]

Everyone has to be a cynical movie reviewer today... It's like some of you go to the movie just to search out and find aspects you hate...

"Oh look at that, the bad guy is ugly, movie sucks"

"Oh shit, the lead is a female, obviously they just want to make feminists happy, movie sucks"


:facepalm

[TonyMontana]

So a "major complaint" is the bad guys looks?

You wish he were a typical handsome brunette male like an actual Disney cartoon?

:facepalm

Adam Driver was great in this, and he is great in everything else he has done... He's a good actor with a unique look, they found the right guy.

Yes I prefer good looking people. Perhaps the guy didn't even need to be good looking. Just not as ugly as what the guy was.

Once the guy took the helmet off I was immedietly turned off.

It didn't help that his confident and dominating persona immediately turned to that of a wimpering unsure ******* without his helmet. Who the **** wants to see that in a main villain? Vader, the Emperor, Maul, even Fett are all rolling over in their graves.

[GIF REACTION]

Prequels were somewhat original

TFA was just a rehash

[~primetime~]

Yes I prefer good looking people. Perhaps the guy didn't even need to be good looking. Just not as ugly as what the guy was.

Once the guy took the helmet off I was immedietly turned off.

It didn't help that his confident and dominating persona immediately turned to that of a wimpering unsure ******* without his helmet. Who the **** wants to see that in a main villain? Vader, the Emperor, Maul, even Fett are all rolling over in their graves.

http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/galleries/2010/Review_DarthVaderTVC/Review_DarthVaderTVC_still.jpg

[DCL]

to appreciate these films to the fullest, you simply have to watch it as a kid without any ability to think.

for 8 year olds, that's pretty easy.

for some adults, not thinking is also pretty easy because that's their natural state.

but you when you get analytical, practical, and philosophical, that's when you will discover inevitable disappointment. this is sci-fi fantasy. someone can probably write a 2000-5000 page book about why star wars makes no sense in just about every area.

but most of us still do it because it's fun. :lol

[TonyMontana]

http://www.jeditemplearchives.com/galleries/2010/Review_DarthVaderTVC/Review_DarthVaderTVC_still.jpg

alright now imagine if vader looked like that in the entire movies and not just for a 30 second scene where hes about to die.

Imagine he had his light saber duels looking like that.

Imagine he had half of his dialogue looking like that.

surely one can see the problem.

Part of Vaders allure is his suit/outfit combined with dominating persona. It looks cool. noone is going to look at this new guy in the same light. He would have had a chance if he never took the mask off.

[~primetime~]

to appreciate these films to the fullest, you simply have to watch it as a kid without any ability to think.

for 8 year olds, that's pretty easy.

for some adults, not thinking is also pretty easy because that's their natural state.

but you when you get analytical, practical, and philosophical, that's when you will discover inevitable disappointment. this is sci-fi fantasy. someone can probably write a 2000-5000 page book about why star wars makes no sense in just about every area.

but most of us still do it because it's fun. :lol

No I'm old enough to remember the originals, adults enjoyed them just as much, people weren't cynical fck tards back then, the only people who ran around complaining were Siskel and Ebert.

It's fcking Star Wars... It's not supposed to be analyitical or even practical. Space ships don't even make sound in space. It's fictional, with "magic" called the "force" that isn't real or practical.

[DCL]

No I'm old enough to remember the originals, adults enjoyed them just as much, people weren't cynical fck tards back then, the only people who ran around complaining were Siskel and Ebert.

It's fcking Star Wars... It's not supposed to be analyitical or even practical. Space ships don't even make sound in space. It's fictional, with "magic" called the "force" that isn't real or practical.

you watch it the right way then.

like a retarded kid with no ability to think about anything.

so good for you.

[~primetime~]

you watch it the right way then.

like a retarded kid with no ability to think about anything.

so good for you.
And you watched the wrong way... Like a retard who actually lets "practicality" get in the way of Star Wars :facepalm

It's Star Wars ffs...light sabers, the force, warp speed, etc etc...it's called science "FICTION"

[DCL]

And you watched the wrong way... Like a retard who actually lets "practicality" get in the way of Star Wars :facepalm

It's Star Wars ffs...light sabers, the force, warp speed, etc etc...it's called science "FICTION"


then why do you keep on clicking this thread?

it's just a silly discussion by silly people about a silly kid's movie.

you're approaching this thread the wrong way if you get so mad and think it's serious. :oldlol:

[~primetime~]

you're approaching this thread the wrong way if you get so mad and think it's serious. :oldlol:

No no no... That's MY point in here

[theaussieguy]

The reality is, the movie is a 4-5/10 MAX. It uses deus ex machina every 10 minutes and takes you right out of the movie. Sh!t just conveniently occurs to wrapup key points.

The only way this movie shines is the fact its star wars and the conception of futuristic technology is a marvel to look at and very clever. It makes the movie a 7/10, but I certainly have no desire to EVER see this movie again. That would be torturous. If you don't feel the same its because your brain is most likely on standby, you are still a kid inside an adult body. Go **** yourselves it was cos of u kunts this franchise now sucks.

[GIF REACTION]

The reality is, the movie is a 4-5/10 MAX. It uses deus ex machina every 10 minutes and takes you right out of the movie. Sh!t just conveniently occurs to wrapup key points.

The only way this movie shines is the fact its star wars and the conception of futuristic technology is a marvel to look at and very clever. It makes the movie a 7/10, but I certainly have no desire to EVER see this movie again. That would be torturous. If you don't feel the same its because your brain is most likely on standby, you are still a kid inside an adult body. Go **** yourselves it was cos of u kunts this franchise now sucks.
:applause:

Dude. SPOT ON.

[Terahite]

No I'm old enough to remember the originals, adults enjoyed them just as much, people weren't cynical fck tards back then, the only people who ran around complaining were Siskel and Ebert.

It's fcking Star Wars... It's not supposed to be analyitical or even practical. Space ships don't even make sound in space. It's fictional, with "magic" called the "force" that isn't real or practical.

I think you've filled your "cynical fck tard" quota for the day. The truth is you can be either a 1 or a 10 on the curmudgeon scale and still not enjoy this goose egg.

[SpecialQue]

No I'm old enough to remember the originals, adults enjoyed them just as much, people weren't cynical fck tards back then, the only people who ran around complaining were Siskel and Ebert.

Siskel and Ebert loved the original Star Wars films, you fvcking idiot.

Stop trying to justify your shitty taste in film.

[Cleverness]

I saw it, and believe me I wanted to feel all the positive energy everyone has been giving off about this movie but... fell way way short of all the reviews I was reading prior to the movie.

Agree 100%

Kai Lo Ren shows how strong he is in the beginning of the movie by no-look stopping a laser beam in midair, but later in the movie he's evenly matched in a lightsaber battle with two people who have never used a lightsaber? Really? At least make him look super injured and have to battle left handed - I guess that would make it a semi-even match

The reviews are very positive because it features a female protagonist (like the new Mad Max, also overrated) and a black guy.

[DrakeTheSnake]

Just rewatched the movie. Still good.

[DrakeTheSnake]

Agree 100%

Kai Lo Ren shows how strong he is in the beginning of the movie by no-look stopping a laser beam in midair, but later in the movie he's evenly matched in a lightsaber battle with two people who have never used a lightsaber? Really? At least make him look super injured and have to battle left handed - I guess that would make it a semi-even match

The reviews are very positive because it features a female protagonist (like the new Mad Max, also overrated) and a black guy.
He was injured.

[Cleverness]

He was injured.

I'm not buying it. able to run & chase down two people in the woods, but one of the most powerful guys with the force/lightsabers is too injured to outskill a couple of noobs

[WayOfWade]

I'm not buying it. able to run & chase down two people in the woods, but one of the most powerful guys with the force/lightsabers is too injured to outskill a couple of noobs
Just don't think too hard about it, it's a movie. Still though, he could've just used the force against Finn since Finn isn't even a Jedi. What am I doing?

[WayOfWade]

:applause:
Just rewatched the movie. Still good.

[Terahite]

Kai Lo Ren shows how strong he is in the beginning of the movie by no-look stopping a laser beam in midair, but later in the movie he's evenly matched in a lightsaber battle with two people who have never used a lightsaber? Really? At least make him look super injured and have to battle left handed - I guess that would make it a semi-even match

This is so true. It's as if the three rubes who wrote this mess forgot to compare notes. :facepalm

[Smook B]

I'm not buying it. able to run & chase down two people in the woods, but one of the most powerful guys with the force/lightsabers is too injured to outskill a couple of noobs

What I still don't get is how he got in front of the two of them when he was so many levels down and shot by chewbacca.

[jongib369]

Just found out my girlfriends 2nd cousin Bill Hader was a voice consultant for BB8

:lol

[Meticode]

I saw it about a week ago. It was solid for me and it was entertaining. The major thing I didn't like about it was certain parts of the movie were just rehashed versions of the first three movies. The super Death Star thing was lame to me, BUT...I still enjoyed it. I enjoyed seeing Kylo Ren get taken into the dark side by killing his father and completing that. I felt rather sad when it happened because Solo always made me laugh throughout the original movies with his sarcasm. I liked that the trailer makes you feel as if Finn is the one that might be a Jedi, but actually in the movie it's revealed that the force is within Rey because she's Luke's daughter.

I'm really interested in the role Finn is going to play, but unlike the previous movies, he's the one aspect of this would-be trilogy that isn't rehashed.

[Meticode]

Someone mentioned Rey being able to basically defeat Kylo Ren towards the end in a lightsaber battle. While it might be a little far-fetched I'm 100% fine with it since his leg was severely injured. They made it completely obvious with him punching his own hip area. People look too far into things and have to take away that it's a movie too. If he wasn't injured at all I could understand people making a gripe over it, but he was injured and that's what led to Rey doing what she did.

[jongib369]

Someone mentioned Rey being able to basically defeat Kylo Ren towards the end in a lightsaber battle. While it might be a little far-fetched I'm 100% fine with it since his leg was severely injured. They made it completely obvious with him punching his own hip area. People look too far into things and have to take away that it's a movie too. If he wasn't injured at all I could understand people making a gripe over it, but he was injured and that's what led to Rey doing what she did.
Also ignoring the fact she was quite skilled with a staff...Considering he never completed his training on either side, especially while injured by the bowcaster it wasn't a bother to me

[Coach Eddie]

I'm not buying it. able to run & chase down two people in the woods, but one of the most powerful guys with the force/lightsabers is too injured to outskill a couple of noobs
He was shot by Chewbaca's cross bow gun that blew everybody else away.

[Coach Eddie]

I saw it about a week ago. It was solid for me and it was entertaining. The major thing I didn't like about it was certain parts of the movie were just rehashed versions of the first three movies. The super Death Star thing was lame to me, BUT...I still enjoyed it. I enjoyed seeing Kylo Ren get taken into the dark side by killing his father and completing that. I felt rather sad when it happened because Solo always made me laugh throughout the original movies with his sarcasm. I liked that the trailer makes you feel as if Finn is the one that might be a Jedi, but actually in the movie it's revealed that the force is within Rey because she's Luke's daughter.

I'm really interested in the role Finn is going to play, but unlike the previous movies, he's the one aspect of this would-be trilogy that isn't rehashed.
It never revealed her as Luke's daughter.

[Coach Eddie]

Also ignoring the fact she was quite skilled with a staff...Considering he never completed his training on either side, especially while injured by the bowcaster it wasn't a bother to me
Exactly. I saw somewhere else somebody pointed out that she jabbed with the saber similar to somebody would with a bow, so she clearly utilized previously known skills.

[Terahite]

This movie was gay as shit. Why bump this? :facepalm

[Andrei89]

I'm not buying it. able to run & chase down two people in the woods, but one of the most powerful guys with the force/lightsabers is too injured to outskill a couple of noobs

How obvious is it that Rey was a previous padawan of Luke Skywalker before he wiped her memory and sent her to Jakku.

She is the survivor of the Knights of Ren massacre and knows the force pretty well.

I dont know why people deny what is in front of them.

[Nick Young]

Exactly. I saw somewhere else somebody pointed out that she jabbed with the saber similar to somebody would with a bow, so she clearly utilized previously known skills.
ALSO, some of the Knights of Ren are holding these staff weapons during the flashback. It seems like something that was common at Luke's Jedi training camp.

[WayOfWade]

Guys... Harrison Ford is on the cast for Star wars VIII...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

[CavaliersFTW]

Guys... Harrison Ford is on the cast for Star wars VIII...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm
Flashback, old hologram or a vision scene.

Abrams couldn't possibly be retarded enough to give him a "Jedi Ghost/Voice" scene. Or could he? Actually he could. He made mary sue the most powerful Jedi in all of the films history so I guess the force is just up for grabs by anyone in the galaxy at this point :facepalm

[DonDadda59]

Guys... Harrison Ford is on the cast for Star wars VIII...
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2527336/fullcredits?ref_=tt_ov_st_sm

Damn, the super rich get even richer. Old fart made like $20 mil just for showing up for Episode VII (probably a good deal more on the back end too). Now he'll rake in another $30 mil+ and his character is dead.

Hell of a hustle. :applause:

[Lebron23]

I love to see a Mace Windu force Ghost. He should be related to the character Finn.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rk77MplDGck/Ts5hFJ8vfMI/AAAAAAAABWQ/RDzgoeY6IFs/s1600/Force%2BGhosts%2BYoung%2BJedi.jpg

[hateraid]

I love to see a Mace Windu force Ghost. He should be related to the character Finn.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rk77MplDGck/Ts5hFJ8vfMI/AAAAAAAABWQ/RDzgoeY6IFs/s1600/Force%2BGhosts%2BYoung%2BJedi.jpg

It would never happen. Jedi does not believe in procreation of their gene. Mace was the most persistent in upholding Jedi law.

[WayOfWade]

I love to see a Mace Windu force Ghost. He should be related to the character Finn.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rk77MplDGck/Ts5hFJ8vfMI/AAAAAAAABWQ/RDzgoeY6IFs/s1600/Force%2BGhosts%2BYoung%2BJedi.jpg
Finn's father? :crazysam:
While I'd love it, probably won't happen. I do believe Finn will become a Jedi though

[gigantes]

haha, the lego version looks about a million times better than the actual movie.



https://i.ytimg.com/vi/i0IJqIzO_YM/mqdefault.jpg
LEGO Star Wars: The Force Awakens - Teaser Trailer (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i0IJqIzO_YM)

[poido123]

I understand this movie was introducing the storyline into the next phase, but this had little imagination and such a poor entertainment value.


I walked out 10 minutes before it finished. It was boring and such a predictable movie.

[AlphaWolf24]

Flashback, old hologram or a vision scene.

Abrams couldn't possibly be retarded enough to give him a "Jedi Ghost/Voice" scene. Or could he? Actually he could. He made mary sue the most powerful Jedi in all of the films history so I guess the force is just up for grabs by anyone in the galaxy at this point :facepalm


on a side note....the director for VIII is Rian johnson ( Looper)

Hopefully it will be more of an original / new Vision.....


maybe Solo isn't dead????

[DonDadda59]

Meet Chloe Bruce (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ByqG9T04qxA), Daisy Ridley stunt double. :eek: :bowdown:

http://www.virgeweb.com/cars/smiley/cartoons/25.gif

[Nick Young]

I love to see a Mace Windu force Ghost. He should be related to the character Finn.

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Rk77MplDGck/Ts5hFJ8vfMI/AAAAAAAABWQ/RDzgoeY6IFs/s1600/Force%2BGhosts%2BYoung%2BJedi.jpg
Mace Windu is not force ghost worthy. Apart from being played by Samuel L Jackson, the dude sucked and was a stiff ass lame character all throughout the prequels. His dumbass policy is the main reason Anakin turned on the Jedi.

[warriorfan]

26 pages of melting

[FKAri]

It was pretty bad. imo it was even worse than the prequels. Atleast the prequels introduced new ideas (even if they missed the mark). This movie didn't even try. An extremely safe film with recycled ideas. Brilliant marketing though.

[Nick Young]

It is actually the GOAT movie of 2015.

[Megabox!]

It was pretty bad. imo it was even worse than the prequels. Atleast the prequels introduced new ideas (even if they missed the mark). This movie didn't even try. An extremely safe film with recycled ideas. Brilliant marketing though.
So a movie is better simply because they tried new shit even tho it was executed poorly? 🤔

[FKAri]

So a movie is better simply because they tried new shit even tho it was executed poorly? ��

Better than a movie that didn't try new shit and still managed to execute it poorly? Yes. Ofcourse. There wasn't even any conflict in the film. Walk into deathstar put a gun to a robocop's head and tell him to lower the shields. That isn't proper execution. That's an F on a high school film project. But hey it made money. So it's all good. Hurray for marketing.