Colin Kaepernick won't stand for anthem.

[Long Duck Dong]

Ok now he's just being an attention whore.


http://sportshub.cbsistatic.com/i/r/2016/09/01/40547605-e7b5-4d8a-ace4-608263f4c6dd/resize/670x377/c23a3fa0efaa8e6ba60bf0b568ba153d/kaepernick-socks-cops-08-31-16.png

[Steven Kerry]

True, but lots of successful blacks including the most successful black of all time, Obama have been raised by whites. How many whites have become successful raised by blacks?

http://static01.mediaite.com/med/wp-content/uploads/2015/06/steve-martin-the-jerk-today.jpg
That character was pretty successful.

[Godzuki]

i knew a lot of blacks would rally around Kaepernick. you cant fight the reverse racist black movement for handouts in the medium of sports or entertainment in general due to so many influential blacks all on the BLM wagon. even black people can't fight against BLM or they get guilt tripped and discredited like Barkley did.

still its pitiful how some players and coaches are rallying behind that fool. some sad shit going on these days the country is fukked if Trump isnt elected to combat this reverse racist movement:coleman:

[Patrick Chewing]

Lol. This retard Kaepernick is now a Fidel Castro supporter. You can't make this shit up. :roll:

This idiot is bitching about "injustice" and "oppression" and supports evil scum like Castro. That's like bitching about racism while wearing a KKK hood.

What a clown.

http://www.snopes.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2016/08/colin-kaepernick-castro-t-shirt.jpg


This is where Kaperdick loses any credibility with the rest of the public. Don't let me or my Cuban family down in Miami catch him wearing that shirt. Cubans don't play. We call a spade a spade and we will call you out and put you in the ground if we have to.

**** this guy.

[L.Kizzle]

So, the Seattle Seahawks are all gonna protest the anthem at tonight's game.

[UK2K]

So, the Seattle Seahawks are all gonna protest the anthem at tonight's game.

Freedom of speech. You'd think if they didn't want to pay respect, they'd just stay in the locker room until it's over. I mean, if I didn't want to stand, that's what I'd do. But I'm civil and normal and not an attention seeker.

But, that wouldn't send a message. Gotta make headlines and whatnot or else nobody cares about you.

[L.Kizzle]

Freedom of speech. You'd think if they didn't want to pay respect, they'd just stay in the locker room until it's over. I mean, if I didn't want to stand, that's what I'd do. But I'm civil and normal and not an attention seeker.

But, that wouldn't send a message. Gotta make headlines and whatnot or else nobody cares about you.
I think players would stay in the back. But they come out to warm up. They're not gonna run back into the locker room than tun right back to the field.

And it was the media who gave this attention not Kaep. And the media is steadily giving it attention.

[UK2K]

I think players would stay in the back. But they come out to warm up. They're not gonna run back into the locker room than tun right back to the field.

And it was the media who gave this attention not Kaep. And the media is steadily giving it attention.

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-rapinoe-idUSKCN11E0RW

[Hawker]

http://www.reuters.com/article/us-sport-rapinoe-idUSKCN11E0RW

Now we can't even use the word hijack?

Holy shit that bitch is crazy.

[NumberSix]

Why does everybody keep mentioning "he has a 1st amendment right". I mean, can we stop pretending this is a 1st amendment issue? It isn't. These football players are AT WORK. There's no 1st amendment right to do or say whatever you want at work. I'm not saying the NFL should punish them, but they could if they wanted to.

[Nanners]

i dont really understand why club teams play the national anthem before games in the first place. it makes sense when its a national team playing in an international tournament, but not for our private leagues. you dont hear british folks singing god save the queen before every premiere league game.

[L.Kizzle]

Why does everybody keep mentioning "he has a 1st amendment right". I mean, can we stop pretending this is a 1st amendment issue? It isn't. These football players are AT WORK. There's no 1st amendment right to do or say whatever you want at work. I'm not saying the NFL should punish them, but they could if they wanted to.
Unless it's in their contract, which it most likely isn't they will not be punished.

[Annyong!]

Freedom of speech. You'd think if they didn't want to pay respect, they'd just stay in the locker room until it's over. I mean, if I didn't want to stand, that's what I'd do. But I'm civil and normal and not an attention seeker.

But, that wouldn't send a message. Gotta make headlines and whatnot or else nobody cares about you.
Sending a message is the entire point, so your first paragraph is irrelevant.

[UK2K]

Sending a message is the entire point, so your first paragraph is irrelevant.

Kinda, but not really...

If you don't want to respect the flag, then go not respect it in the locker room. Win/win for everyone, you'd think.

Except some people will bitch about THAT as well. 'Yo, dawg, I can't disrespect the flag like I want to. Shit is messed up.'

[Annyong!]

Kinda, but not really...

If you don't want to respect the flag, then go not respect it in the locker room. Win/win for everyone, you'd think.

Except some people will bitch about THAT as well. 'Yo, dawg, I can't disrespect the flag like I want to. Shit is messed up.'
It isn't about disrespect though. It is a protest. Clearly you think they are synonymous though.

[UK2K]

It isn't about disrespect though. It is a protest. Clearly you think they are synonymous though.

It is.

Do you not agree that that's the best way to handle it? Don't want to respect the flag, don't be on the field. That's fair. That's a happy medium in my eyes. Or do they deserve the 'right' to disrespect the flag in public?

Thoughts?

[Annyong!]

It is.

Do you not agree that that's the best way to handle it? Don't want to respect the flag, don't be on the field. That's fair. That's a happy medium in my eyes. Or do they deserve the 'right' to disrespect the flag in public?

Thoughts?
Clearly you are set in your belief that they are synonymous, so it is pointless to answer your other questions, because I don't believe it is disrespect and thus your questions don't make sense based on my views of what respect is. However, if I were to assume that it is disrespectful, they do have the "right" to disrespect the flag in public because the 1st amendment gives them the "right." Likewise, you have the right to not like it.

[UK2K]

Clearly you are set in your belief that they are synonymous, so it is pointless to answer your other questions, because I don't believe it is disrespect and thus your questions don't make sense based on my views of what respect is. However, if I were to assume that it is disrespectful, they do have the "right" to disrespect the flag in public because the 1st amendment gives them the "right." Likewise, you have the right to not like it.

What does my belief have to do with coming up with a fair, middle ground?

So if given the opportunity to stay in the locker room, you'd come out and disrespect the flag anyway because... because you want attention I guess? Cool. Guess some people will bitch and moan no matter what special accommodations are made for them.

'I don't want to stand for the anthem.'
'No problem, hang out in the locker room until its over'
'Yeah but I want to not stand in front of people'.
.....

At this point, you're just being a whiny bitch looking for attention. To each their own, but that's just not my cup of tea.

[L.Kizzle]

It is.

Do you not agree that that's the best way to handle it? Don't want to respect the flag, don't be on the field. That's fair. That's a happy medium in my eyes. Or do they deserve the 'right' to disrespect the flag in public?

Thoughts?
I'm not Catholic. I once went to a Catholic wedding. Well during the service everyone kneeled to the ground and did something and I'm not sure what they did. Everybody in the building did it, I did not. Did I disrespect the Catholic religion because I didn't do what everyone else was doing?

[UK2K]

I'm not Catholic. I once went to a Catholic wedding. Well during the service everyone kneeled to the ground and did something and I'm not sure what they did. Everybody in the building did it, I did not. Did I disrespect the Catholic religion because I didn't do what everyone else was doing?

You're not Catholic, nor did any Catholics die to give you rights to not kneel during prayer. Kap is an American though. You not standing for 45 seconds while the anthem playing is disrespecting the flag, and the hundreds of thousands of people who died giving you the right to be a piece of shit.

It's entirely his right, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that if you don't want to stand, you are more than welcome to be in the locker room while it's played.

But even that's not good enough, because some people want to make a statement and draw attention to themselves. So, in the grand scheme of things, they're just being difficult. Don't want to stand? Ok, here's a solution, which is pretty fair. But now the solution isn't good enough either?

Sounds like a whiny bitch. Truthfully they have every right to terminate your contract on the spot if they want to... but I'm not even asking for that. I'm asking for compromise, which apparently is asking for too much.

[Nanners]

You're not Catholic, nor did any Catholics die to give you rights to not kneel during prayer. Kap is an American though. You not standing for 45 seconds while the anthem playing is disrespecting the flag, and the hundreds of thousands of people who died giving you the right to be a piece of shit.

It's entirely his right, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that if you don't want to stand, you are more than welcome to be in the locker room while it's played.

But even that's not good enough, because some people want to make a statement and draw attention to themselves. So, in the grand scheme of things, they're just being difficult. Don't want to stand? Ok, here's a solution, which is pretty fair. But now the solution isn't good enough either?

Sounds like a whiny bitch. Truthfully they have every right to terminate your contract on the spot if they want to... but I'm not even asking for that. I'm asking for compromise, which apparently is asking for too much.

yeah no shit, thats the entire point of protesting something... protests arent about finding a fair middle ground where you can express yourself without hurting someones feelings, they are about making a statement.

[L.Kizzle]

You're not Catholic, nor did any Catholics die to give you rights to not kneel during prayer. Kap is an American though. You not standing for 45 seconds while the anthem playing is disrespecting the flag, and the hundreds of thousands of people who died giving you the right to be a piece of shit.

It's entirely his right, that's not what I'm arguing. I'm arguing that if you don't want to stand, you are more than welcome to be in the locker room while it's played.

But even that's not good enough, because some people want to make a statement and draw attention to themselves. So, in the grand scheme of things, they're just being difficult. Don't want to stand? Ok, here's a solution, which is pretty fair. But now the solution isn't good enough either?

Sounds like a whiny bitch. Truthfully they have every right to terminate your contract on the spot if they want to... but I'm not even asking for that. I'm asking for compromise, which apparently is asking for too much.
He's not protesting the Military. This has nothing to do with that.

[UK2K]

He's not protesting the Military. This has nothing to do with that.

Didn't say he was. You are having trouble reading it seems.

[UK2K]

yeah no shit, thats the entire point of protesting something... protests arent about finding a fair middle ground where you can express yourself without hurting someones feelings, they are about making a statement.

So are you not protesting if you don't show up on the field at all until after the Anthem is played? Is that not still protesting? Or am I missing something here?

I'm trying to understand the 'look at me crowd' but its tough...

Maybe we should just call for them to be cut on the spot? Since we aren't interested in finding middle ground, then just terminate their contracts. Then that'd be 'unfair' wouldn't it? People would bitch about that too, I'm sure.

Just play the anthem before they come out, then its no problem for anyone. Simple solution.

[Nanners]

So are you not protesting if you don't show up on the field at all until after the Anthem is played? Is that not still protesting? Or am I missing something here?

I'm trying to understand the 'look at me crowd' but its tough...

they are both forms of protesting, i would say kaps method is a lot more effective and noticable than what you are suggesting. anyway who are you to tell another man how he should be protesting?

go ahead and call for him to be cut. thats your right, just like its kaps right to protest whatever he wants.

[UK2K]

they are both forms of protesting, i would say kaps method is a lot more effective and noticable than what you are suggesting. anyway who are you to tell another man how he should be protesting?

go ahead and call for him to be cut. thats your right, just like its kaps right to protest whatever he wants.

I don't think that's fair. I believe in compromise.

I forgot it was 2016 though... where being fair and compromise take a back seat to 'how much can I get out of this'.

Of course, the team could also force him to stay in the locker room, so there's that.

[Nanners]

kap already compromised once, he changed from sitting to kneeling


"I just wanted to show my support for him," Reid said. "He wanted to make it clear that he wasn't trying to be disrespectful to the military or the national anthem, so he decided to change his position to be more respectful, but still bring awareness to the issues that he believes are going on in this country, and that I wholeheartedly believe exist in this country."

[UK2K]

kap already compromised once, he changed from sitting to kneeling

Congrats? :confusedshrug:

[Back In Shape]

So Curry says he supports Kap's stance. For the Golden Boy, that's living dangerously

[Annyong!]

What does my belief have to do with coming up with a fair, middle ground?

So if given the opportunity to stay in the locker room, you'd come out and disrespect the flag anyway because... because you want attention I guess? Cool. Guess some people will bitch and moan no matter what special accommodations are made for them.

'I don't want to stand for the anthem.'
'No problem, hang out in the locker room until its over'
'Yeah but I want to not stand in front of people'.
.....

At this point, you're just being a whiny bitch looking for attention. To each their own, but that's just not my cup of tea.
My point about your belief is that most arguments stem from having different definitions of words. You acknowledged that your definition of disrespect is synonymous with protest. I believe they are 2 separate things. So answering your questions about "disrespect" won't make any sense given that we have different uses of that word. Thus, the only thing I could answer is what people had the "right" to do, because that was the 1 question that my answer is consistent regardless of whether the definition is the same or different from protest given that both are protected by the 1st amendment.

And yes, "protest" typically requires some level of attention. If they simply didn't like the flag, then they could stay in the locker room, but that completely defeats the point of the protest, and therefore makes no sense as a "middle ground."

[Annyong!]

So are you not protesting if you don't show up on the field at all until after the Anthem is played? Is that not still protesting? Or am I missing something here?

I'm trying to understand the 'look at me crowd' but its tough...

Maybe we should just call for them to be cut on the spot? Since we aren't interested in finding middle ground, then just terminate their contracts. Then that'd be 'unfair' wouldn't it? People would bitch about that too, I'm sure.

Just play the anthem before they come out, then its no problem for anyone. Simple solution.
Sure that is still protesting, but visible protests are going to gain more attention to your cause, so obviously somebody protesting on the field is going to be the better choice from the perspective of the protesters. It is not too different from people on strike. Sure people can go on strike and simply not show up for work, but creating a picket line gains more attention for your cause.

[UK2K]

My point about your belief is that most arguments stem from having different definitions of words. You acknowledged that your definition of disrespect is synonymous with protest. I believe they are 2 separate things.

In this instance, yes. That isn't applicable across the board though. Not all protest is disrespectful. It's not about 'your beliefs' so much as its you paying your respect for the ability to protest.

He hit the lottery being born here. 3/4 of the rest of the world, his head would have been cut off by now.


So answering your questions about "disrespect" won't make any sense given that we have different uses of that word. Thus, the only thing I could answer is what people had the "right" to do, because that was the 1 question that my answer is consistent regardless of whether the definition is the same or different from protest given that both are protected by the 1st amendment.

Correct, he has a right to protest. And I support that.


And yes, "protest" typically requires some level of attention. If they simply didn't like the flag, then they could stay in the locker room, but that completely defeats the point of the protest, and therefore makes no sense as a "middle ground."

So it is an 'I want attention' thing? Got it. Kinda like how BLM people ruin everyone's day by standing in the middle of the road? Because nobody gives a **** about your opinion (since everyone has one and you don't care to hear the other side) so you have to do something to piss people off... like a 4 year old?

That being the case, force him to sit in the locker room or play it before the players come out.

Problem solved.

[UK2K]

So Curry says he supports Kap's stance. For the Golden Boy, that's living dangerously

Shaq > Curry

[Annyong!]

In this instance, yes. That isn't applicable across the board though. Not all protest is disrespectful. It's not about 'your beliefs' so much as its you paying your respect for the ability to protest.

He hit the lottery being born here. 3/4 of the rest of the world, his head would have been cut off by now.




So it is an 'I want attention' thing? Got it. Kinda like how BLM people ruin everyone's day by standing in the middle of the road? Because nobody gives a **** about your opinion so you have to do something to piss people off... like a 4 year old?

That being the case, force him to sit in the locker room or play it before the players come out.

Problem solved.
The first part is simply you not liking how he protests. It is worth noting that in his career, this is the most convenient time to protest. What other way due you suggest that he protests during the game that would actually get airtime without disrupting the game he is paid to play? As for the "He hit the lottery being born here. 3/4 of the rest of the world, his head would have been cut off by now." part, under that line of thinking he simply shouldn't protest at all and just consider himself lucky. And similarly under that line of thinking, nobody in the US should protest. I of course disagree with this, but that is what that line of reasoning what result with if expanded.

As for the bottom part, it isn't about personal attention, but attention to the cause. You seem to really want to personalize this towards him and ignore the cause completely. It is at times like you don't understand the point of protesting.

[UK2K]

The first part is simply you not liking how he protests. It is worth noting that in his career, this is the most convenient time to protest. What other way due you suggest that he protests during the game that would actually get airtime without disrupting the game he is paid to play?
I'm not a fan of people who draw attention to themselves. I've already established its a 'look at me' type situation, which makes me think he's a little bitch. But to each his own.


As for the "He hit the lottery being born here. 3/4 of the rest of the world, his head would have been cut off by now." part, under that line of thinking he simply shouldn't protest at all and just consider himself lucky. And similarly under that line of thinking, nobody in the US should protest. I of course disagree with this, but that is what that line of reasoning what result with if expanded.

Nope, he should just pay his respects. He can talk about how shitty the country is and how much he wants to leave once its over.


As for the bottom part, it isn't about personal attention, but attention to the cause. You seem to really want to personalize this towards him and ignore the cause completely. It is at times like you don't understand the point of protesting.

Yes it is. His 'cause' is laughable, but that's not the point. If he really wanted to 'make a point', he'd quit football. THAT would grab headlines, right? QB quits football to spend time helping out the inner-cities? He'd be a hero.

Hell, then people may even like him for doing what he's doing. The fact is he's bringing attention to a 'cause' that he's exploited the **** out of, and benefited from.

[TommyGriffin]

I'm not a fan of people who draw attention to themselves. I've already established its a 'look at me' type situation, which makes me think he's a little bitch. But to each his own.



Nope, he should just pay his respects. He can talk about how shitty the country is and how much he wants to leave once its over.



Yes it is. His 'cause' is laughable, but that's not the point. If he really wanted to 'make a point', he'd quit football. THAT would grab headlines, right? QB quits football to spend time helping out the inner-cities? He'd be a hero.

Hell, then people may even like him for doing what he's doing. The fact is he's bringing attention to a 'cause' that he's exploited the **** out of, and benefited from.
Colin doesn't need to pay respect to something that he does not respect. Respect is something that is not forced onto someone, it is earned. If we start treating Colin's people more like human beings than maybe we will start earning his respect.

[~primetime~]

Seattle just announced they will all stand for the anthem

Sunday is actually Sept.11 and the 15th anniversary of 9/11

[thefatmiral]

He can protest all he wants it's America, you can decide to protest his protest by doing something. I don't know what exactly, not watch football I guess. He's not black though

[Jameerthefear]

black ppl shouldn't be allowed to protest

[L.Kizzle]

Seattle just announced they will all stand for the anthem

Sunday is actually Sept.11 and the 15th anniversary of 9/11
So will they protest the game after?

[Jameerthefear]

So will they protest the game after?
He meant sit

[~primetime~]

He meant sit
No I meant stand

Not sure about the next Sunday

[Jameerthefear]

No I meant stand

Not sure about the next Sunday
Oh didn't see the follow up report. It was probably Cuckel Wilson who got them to change. He's raising another man's kids, so I don't really respect him any.

[highwhey]

Oh didn't see the follow up report. It was probably Cuckel Wilson who got them to change. He's raising another man's kids, so I don't really respect him any.
http://www.billboard.com/files/styles/article_main_image/public/media/future-performance-hot-107-2015-billboard-650.jpg

[dude77]

attention whoring megan rapinoe, on the road got upstaged at a game by the home team when they decided to play the anthem before the teams came out so she couldn't pull her little stunt(do a colin) .. then she complained afterwards, saying she was 'offended' because she wasn't allowed to be an attention whore :lol dumb bitch

[poido123]

Colin doesn't need to pay respect to something that he does not respect. Respect is something that is not forced onto someone, it is earned. If we start treating Colin's people more like human beings than maybe we will start earning his respect.



Can you stop being a snitch and dobbing on anyone who doesn't agree with you?


fcking jackass.



As for your post, come back to the real world buddy. Colin has been shown the respect of having every opportunity afforded to him playing a game that offers him a living people can only dream of.


He isn't disadvantaged and this whole BLM thing is a joke.

[NumberSix]

black ppl shouldn't be allowed to protest
That's racist.