LeBron crushes everyone, again.

[SpaceJam2]

This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[Real Men Wear Green]

LeBron crushed everybody. Except for the Lakers' opponents. Otherwise, dominant, no question.

[ballinhun8]

Why does LeBron stats start in 2004?

[SpaceJam2]

LeBron crushed everybody. Except for the Lakers' opponents. Otherwise, dominant, no question.

Thanks. LeGoat is truly one of a kind. Beats Jordan individually and it's not close.

https://media.giphy.com/media/lLp9dTw6qxcD6/giphy.gif


Why does LeBron stats start in 2004?

Um...Usually the stats start the year the player enters the league. Not before or after :lol

[AirTupac]

70 posts per day = OP

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[ballinhun8]

Thanks. LeGoat is truly one of a kind. Beats Jordan individually and it's not close.

LeBron will never be better



Um...Usually the stats start the year the player enters the league. Not before or after :lol


What year was LeBron drafted?


Saying his stars start in 2004 doesn't tell us whether it's Jan. 2004 or Oct. 2004.



I hope you're not purposely skewering the statistics.

[3ball]

.
Stats for MJ and Lebron's first 3 playoff seasons


REGULAR SEASON

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:per_game):. 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game):. 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds



PLAYOFFS

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals


Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)

Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron

[SpaceJam2]

What year was LeBron drafted?


Saying his stars start in 2004 doesn't tell us whether it's Jan. 2004 or Oct. 2004.



I hope you're not purposely skewering the statistics.

I already knew what you thought. You got caught thinking his draft year was 2003 so he started playing that year. That's not how basketball works little homie. Keep up.

Drafted 2003
1st season 2004

Like all players

Next

[SpaceJam2]

.
Stats for MJ and Lebron's first 3 playoff seasons


REGULAR SEASON

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:per_game):. 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game):. 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds



PLAYOFFS

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals


Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)

Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron

Narrowing their careers down to both of their first 3 playoff runs as your refute? Wow, you've gone full 2ball.

I'm sorry I did this to you, but your nonsense was getting out of hand and it had to be stopped. I'm sorry I exposed Jordan as being a lesser individual player than LeBron on nearly every single front.

What's so bad about Jordan now being the #2 best player ever? The second GOAT? Is that really so bad for you to accept?

[ballinhun8]

I already knew what you thought. You got caught thinking his draft year was 2003 so he started playing that year. That's not how basketball works little homie. Keep up.

Drafted 2003
1st season 2004

Like all players

Next


Actually every website except bball ref has his stats start in 2003. The year he was drafted. The year his first professional game was. Where his first two months of actually starting to play in the NBA were. You may need to dust up on reading comprehension when trying to make a point.


Good job though leaving out stats Jordan completely obliterates LeBron in like PPG, SPG, TO, FT%. You know. Stats people actually don't have to make up.

[3ball]

Narrowing their careers down to both of their first 3 playoff runs as your refute? Wow, you've gone full 2ball.

.
You just compared 06' lebron to 85' MJ as your premise, so I included the rest of mj's 1-9 years (his first 3 playoff runs)

and your OP is littered with errors (i.e. you say MJ only led in FT's but PER stares us or n the face)

[sdot_thadon]

Actually every website except bball ref has his stats start in 2003. The year he was drafted. The year his first professional game was. Where his first two months of actually starting to play in the NBA were. You may need to dust up on reading comprehension when trying to make a point.


Good job though leaving out stats Jordan completely obliterates LeBron in like PPG, SPG, TO, FT%. You know. Stats people actually don't have to make up.
It's from basketball-reference.com, the way they list seasons is the year the season ends. So the 2003-2004 season would simply say 2004.

As of now he's technically correct at least statistically, now the stats won't stay this way forever depending on how the last few years of Lebron's career play out And how long past his prime he's willing to hang arond. Trust me, if and when the stats shift the other way Mj stans will use them with the exact same purpsoe fellas. In being outraged you guys always miss the point of the threads.

[SpaceJam2]

You just compared 06' lebron to 85' MJ as your premise, so I included the rest of mj's 1-9 years (his first 3 playoff runs)

and your OP is littered with errors (i.e. you say MJ only led in FT's but PER stares us or n the face)

I never narrowed it down to a specific year you lunatic. I took their entire careers and it's pretty clear who the better individual player is, no? And yet, here we are.

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

What's so bad about Jordan now being the #2 best player ever? The second GOAT? Is that really so bad for you to accept?

[SpaceJam2]

Actually every website except bball ref has his stats start in 2003. The year he was drafted. The year his first professional game was. Where his first two months of actually starting to play in the NBA were. You may need to dust up on reading comprehension when trying to make a point.


Good job though leaving out stats Jordan completely obliterates LeBron in like PPG, SPG, TO, FT%. You know. Stats people actually don't have to make up.

I can see the meltdown now, watching your idol fade away into the #2 spot right before your very eyes.

As for the year thing, which I have no idea why you're still hung up on it, yes, basketball seasons start in one part of the year and conclude in the subsequent year. Every NBA fan knows that the 03-04 season is the "2004" season. Except you, I guess? :confusedshrug:

[bullettooth]

6 finals wins > 6 finals losses

[SpaceJam2]

Wow. I finally broke the Jordan stans.

They have nothing to refute.

[Spurs m8]

I mean...when are we gonna stop putting the 2 in the same sentence?
Its embarrassing.

IsH, the only place anyone mentions bron being considered the goat

[SpaceJam2]

I mean...when are we gonna stop putting the 2 in the same sentence?
Its embarrassing.

IsH, the only place anyone mentions bron being considered the goat

He's clearly above him... imagine ignoring cold hard facts to prop up your childhood hero.

TheFam
Stays
Winning

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/8PdbWZ9C/is-there-no-one-else.jpg

[Spurs m8]

He's clearly above him... imagine ignoring cold hard facts to prop up your childhood hero.

TheFam
Stays
Winning

LOL you support an empty stat padding loser, colluder and cancer who gets his stats at the detriment of the team and hands FMVP and championship to his opposition all the time.

Good luck with that

Stats aside too, he's a boring on court player, he also loses the eye test and entertainment factor.

Next....

[Smoke117]

LOL you support an empty stat padding loser, colluder and cancer who gets his stats at the detriment of the team and hands FMVP and championship to his opposition all the time.

Good luck with that

Stats aside too, he's a boring on court player, he also loses the eye test and entertainment factor.

Next....

Defrozen m8 with another intelligent and thought out take. :rolleyes:

[Spurs m8]

Defrozen m8 with another intelligent and thought out take. :rolleyes:

how are your baggy jeans going, homeboy?

[Smoke117]

how are your baggy jeans going, homeboy?

I wear regular fit, dawg.

[SpaceJam2]

LOL you support an empty stat padding loser, colluder and cancer who gets his stats at the detriment of the team and hands FMVP and championship to his opposition all the time.

Good luck with that

Stats aside too, he's a boring on court player, he also loses the eye test and entertainment factor.

Next....

This is when you know you have nothing left. At least 3ball tries, you're just pathetic :lol

Next

[bullettooth]

He's clearly above him... imagine ignoring cold hard facts to prop up your childhood hero.

TheFam
Stays
Winning

You know you're one of the very few retards that actually believes this, right?

[SpaceJam2]

You know you're one of the very few retards that actually believes this, right?

Please read my initial post and get back to me. This is of course assuming you can read, which might have been a mistake on my part.

It's not even close. The one thing Jordan is better at is points (scoring), but he has a higher USG%, lower TS%, half the rebounds and assists and nearly identical PER, with a lower assist to turnover ratio.

The gig is up. LBJ is #1

[Hey Yo]

Bucktooth ruined

:lol

[SpaceJam2]

Bucktooth ruined

:lol

Big time wrekt :lol Poor fella stepped out of the kiddie pool when he wasn't allowed. Had to slap his hand for that move. :lol

[AirTupac]

Spacejam is the jizz rag of ISH. Just getting ethered for what LeBron really is and he's crying :roll:

[bullettooth]

Bucktooth ruined

:lol
Big time wrekt :lol Poor fella stepped out of the kiddie pool when he wasn't allowed. Had to slap his hand for that move. :lol

You done talking to yourself, Wheels?

[And1AllDay]

Bucktooth ruined

:lol

:oldlol: :roll: :roll:

[Rico2016]

Live look at OP finally destroying and defeating 3ball

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPf3C7HqqYBVcCk/giphy.gif

[E_Stamkos]

OP has posted nearly 1500 times on a basketball message board in just over a months time lol. There's literally no getting around that.

The virginity and barren social life is strong with this one.

That is all...

[SpaceJam2]

OP has posted nearly 1500 times on a basketball message board in just over a months time lol. There's literally no getting around that.

The virginity and barren social life is strong with this one.

That is all...

What can I say I love basketball and I don't have a job right now.

But... that doesn't mean I'm not right :pimp:

Thank you for your contributions to this forum, you are an extremely valued member.

[SpaceJam2]

Live look at OP finally destroying and defeating 3ball

https://media.giphy.com/media/3oKIPf3C7HqqYBVcCk/giphy.gif

:lol :applause:

[PickernRoller]

I've truly broken OP when this is the level of trolling he's putting up.

Trying to compensate with post count ain't working. All tricks exhausted.

Ohh well... it was by design after all.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SmallSnarlingAsiantrumpetfish-size_restricted.gif

[Spurs m8]

I wear regular fit, dawg.

Okay, thats not the worst.

Chicks love a guy in skinnys, mate....thank me later.

[ArbitraryWater]

Okay, thats not the worst.

Chicks love a guy in skinnys, mate....thank me later.

:facepalm :facepalm

the fakkit is strong with this one

[Spurs m8]

:facepalm :facepalm

the fakkit is strong with this one

Yes.

Smashing hot girls is very gay :facepalm

Its funny to see who can't dress themselves and who is also insecure.

[RRR3]

LeBron is hands down the single greatest human being of all time. We are all so lucky to be alive to witness him.

[SpaceJam2]

LeBron is hands down the single greatest human being of all time. We are all so lucky to be alive to witness him.

I think the best part about it is that nobody can deny it now. Not a single Jordan fan has anything to say. Very quiet all of a sudden.

[Spurs m8]

I think the best part about it is that nobody can deny it now. Not a single Jordan fan has anything to say. Very quiet all of a sudden.

Not even you believe lebron is goat lol


Especially after this season of LeExposed

[Gileraracer]

6/6

3/9

End

[paksat]

why do you idiots continue replying to these posts?

spacejam is seriously the biggest loser any of us have ever seen, and we haven't even seen his real life.

but that's beside the point... just stop replying to these threads, slap the ****ing loser on ignore if you have to

[Gileraracer]

Also the third time he missed the POs.


Lebron without a superteam = Westbrook light

[SpaceJam2]

6/6

3/9

End

If that's all you have to say in return then everyone knows you are in trouble. Like I said, the truth is starting to sink in for you guys.

LBJ > MJ

[SpaceJam2]

Also the third time he missed the POs.


Lebron without a superteam = Westbrook light

You have to do better than that. He was fresh out of high school, Saint Vincent Saint Mary at age 18 and 19 the first two times he missed it. :no:

That was your response to Jordan being crushed in every statistical category in the regular season and playoffs and advanced metrics? Really? That's what you have for me?

[TheCorporation]

It's amazing how quiet haters become when facts come out

Where dey at doe

:dancin

https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif

[SpaceJam2]

It's amazing how quiet haters become when facts come out

Where dey at doe

:dancin

https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif

Bran fam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcNSoh8vI4

WHERE THEY AT THO

[bobopenguin]

before 2003 - attitude era.
after 2004 - PG era.

[3ball]

You have to do better than that. He was fresh out of high school, Saint Vincent Saint Mary at age 18 and 19 the first two times he missed it. :no:

That was your response to Jordan being crushed in every statistical category in the regular season and playoffs and advanced metrics? Really? That's what you have for me?
What is this thread comparing - lebron's 2nd year numbers with MJ's rookie season?

The OP's stats stats are confusing

MJ's stats were better at every stage of their career

PPG > defensive rebounds and assists

And MJ led in other categories like oreb, spg, ft%, usage, ortg, PER, ws/48, and more..

I don't see how anyone can say lebron's stats ate better without using longevity-based career totals

[SpaceJam2]

What is this thread comparing - lebron's 2nd year numbers with MJ's rookie season?

The OP's stats stats are confusing

MJ's stats were better at every stage of their career

PPG > defensive rebounds and assists

And MJ led in other categories like oreb, spg, ft%, usage, ortg, PER, ws/48, and more..

I don't see how anyone can say lebron's stats ate better without using longevity-based career totals

You seem very confused so I'll simplify it for your small brain. This is comparing their careers.

You. Lose.

[SpaceJam2]

before 2003 - attitude era.
after 2004 - PG era.

Huh?

Anyone?

[SpaceJam2]

I've truly broken OP when this is the level of trolling he's putting up.

Trying to compensate with post count ain't working. All tricks exhausted.

Ohh well... it was by design after all.

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/SmallSnarlingAsiantrumpetfish-size_restricted.gif

What?

I posted facts that prove statistically LeBron is a better individual player than Michael Jordan. He is the legitimate Goat, not a fraud like MJ.

Not a single hater has anything to say because they know I'm right.

[Rico2016]

It's amazing how quiet haters become when facts come out

Where dey at doe

:dancin

https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif

MJ stans dont want no smoke. They won the battle but they lost the war.

https://media.giphy.com/media/4jyU0IuAH6a1q/giphy.gif

[Rico2016]

Defrozen m8 with another intelligent and thought out take. :rolleyes:

Kawhi m8 has a depressingly low IQ and if I'm honest I am astonished he knows what the internet is and how to work a computer.

[TheCorporation]

Bran fam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcNSoh8vI4

WHERE THEY AT THO

:roll: :roll:


http://i.imgur.com/GNRl6wP.gif


WHERE DEY AT DOE

[And1AllDay]

Bran fam

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybcNSoh8vI4

WHERE THEY AT THO

:oldlol: :roll: real realll quiet outchea

[Manny98]

It's amazing how quiet haters become when facts come out

Where dey at doe

:dancin

https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif
https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif

[TheCorporation]

.
Stats for MJ and Lebron's first 3 playoff seasons


REGULAR SEASON

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:per_game):. 31.7 ppg.. 2.0 oreb.. 3.6 dreb.. 5.0 apg.. 2.6 spg.. 1.2 bpg.. 57.1 ts.. 27.8 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:per_game):. 27.2 ppg.. 1.2 oreb.. 5.9 dreb.. 7.1 apg.. 1.4 spg.. 1.0 bpg.. 56.3 ts.. 27.2 PER..


^^^ jordan got 8 seeds, while lebron produced less but got 2 and 4 seeds



PLAYOFFS

MJ. 85-87' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jordami01.html#1985-1987-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 35.5 ppg.. 1.9 oreb.. 4.4 dreb.. 6.9 apg.. 2.4 spg.. 1.5 bpg.. 56.0 ts.. 27.4 PER
LBJ 06-08' (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01.html#2006-2008-sum:playoffs_per_game):. 27.5 ppg.. 1.4 oreb.. 6.6 dreb.. 7.3 apg.. 1.6 spg.. 0.8 bpg.. 53.1 ts.. 23.8 PER..


^^^ jordan lost in 1st Round, while lebron produced less but made Finals


Lebron's cast made up the production gap.. He needed 2005 all-star Zydrunas and Hughes to make the 06' playoffs, just like MJ needed rookie Pippen to make the 2nd round.. except rookie pippen wasn't capable of 2-time all-star (Zydrunas), or 22/5/5 and 1st team all-D (05' Hughes)

Unfortunately, the way the media analyzes lebron/MJ, they imply that lebron was getting high seeds and the Finals with the same casts that MJ got 8 seeds with... But that's not true, and the stats above show that mj was producing far more than lebron

He's comparing the entire career not random playoff runs numbnuts :hammerhead:

You are really losing it :lol

[And1AllDay]

Bucktooth ruined

:lol

:lol :lol

[SpaceJam2]

He's comparing the entire career not random playoff runs numbnuts :hammerhead:

You are really losing it :lol

Ever since he realized that he hasn't been back :lol

He was like holy crap he really is better :lol

[Real14]

What is this thread comparing - lebron's 2nd year numbers with MJ's rookie season?

The OP's stats stats are confusing

MJ's stats were better at every stage of their career

PPG > defensive rebounds and assists

And MJ led in other categories like oreb, spg, ft%, usage, ortg, PER, ws/48, and more..

I don't see how anyone can say lebron's stats ate better without using longevity-based career totals
Exactly. Mods?

[SpaceJam2]

Exactly. Mods?

:lol so now comparing career #s for the regular season and postseason is confusing.

The funniest thing about this is that he's confused because he's like wait how does LeBron actually have better stats? This must be comparing his rookie year to his third year. I mind fu**ed him so hard because he never realized LeBron has better stats. That's why it's so "confusing."

LBJ > MJ

Oh, and MJ has 0.3 better PER :lol which was supposed to be his biggest edge and that isn't much. Boom.

[And1AllDay]

Exactly. Mods?

Comparing playoff stats career v career is confusing to you :oldlol: :roll:

[3ball]

:lol so now comparing career #s for the regular season and postseason is confusing.

The funniest thing about this is that he's confused because he's like wait how does LeBron actually have better stats? This must be comparing his rookie year to his third year. I mind fu**ed him so hard because he never realized LeBron has better stats. That's why it's so "confusing."

LBJ > MJ

Oh, and MJ has 0.3 better PER :lol which was supposed to be his biggest edge and that isn't much. Boom.
Your stats are longevity-based - they're accumulation stats (i.e. win shares, total points)

Post the non-longevity stats like per-game stats, WS/48 or PER..... and MJ destroys lebron

For example, the gap in playoff ppg between MJ and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #10.. MJ stands alone but not only because he scored more, but because he did so with goat teamwork (without dominating the ball).. :bowdown: :bowdown:

[Dray n Klay]

Your stats are longevity-based - they're accumulation stats (i.e. win shares, total points)

Post the non-longevity stats like per-game stats, WS/48 or PER..... and MJ destroys lebron

For example, the gap in playoff ppg between MJ and #2 is bigger than the gap between #2 and #10.. MJ stands alone above everyone and not just because he scored so much more, but because he did so with goat teamwork (without dominating the ball).. :bowdown: :bowdown:

Whats better, 12 rebounds and 10 assists or 4 rebounds and 2 assists (assuing both get the same 34ppg) :confusedshrug:

[72-10]

anyone remember that time MJ shut out Magic Johnson

[3ball]

Whats better, 12 rebounds and 10 assists or 4 rebounds and 2 assists (assuing both get the same 34ppg) :confusedshrug:
lebron scored 34 when the defense allowed his team 115

jordan scored 34 when the defense only allowed his team 88

So MJ scored a much bigger portion of his team's points, and therefore carried a bigger load and defensive attention

[305Baller]

https://i.imgur.com/dyGiteC.jpg

[TheCorporation]

Whats better, 12 rebounds and 10 assists or 4 rebounds and 2 assists (assuing both get the same 34ppg) :confusedshrug:

Biiiig wrekt

And don't even get us started on FG% :lol There is a reason he has been avoiding this thread. 3ball is finally accepting Bron is #1. He talked about longevity stats when the per game stats are better as well :lol and why should it be held against LeBron that he wasn't swept in the first round anyway?

What a meltdown

[TheCorporation]

:lol so now comparing career #s for the regular season and postseason is confusing.

The funniest thing about this is that he's confused because he's like wait how does LeBron actually have better stats? This must be comparing his rookie year to his third year. I mind fu**ed him so hard because he never realized LeBron has better stats. That's why it's so "confusing."

LBJ > MJ

Oh, and MJ has 0.3 better PER :lol which was supposed to be his biggest edge and that isn't much. Boom.

Bloodbath

[SpaceJam2]

Biiiig wrekt

And don't even get us started on FG% :lol There is a reason he has been avoiding this thread. 3ball is finally accepting Bron is #1. He talked about longevity stats when the per game stats are better as well :lol and why should it be held against LeBron that he wasn't swept in the first round anyway?

What a meltdown

I've been waiting for 3ball's paragraph response

https://media.giphy.com/media/2vlC9FMLSmqGs/giphy.gif

But I think he finally realized LeBron is above Jordan. FINALLY sheesh

https://media.giphy.com/media/4Zo1InomnFJWIwIkf7/giphy.gif

[SpaceJam2]

Whats better, 12 rebounds and 10 assists or 4 rebounds and 2 assists (assuing both get the same 34ppg) :confusedshrug:

https://i.postimg.cc/rpdKksKG/Anothrerone.jpg

Anyone?

[SpaceJam2]

I've been waiting for 3ball's paragraph response

https://media.giphy.com/media/2vlC9FMLSmqGs/giphy.gif

But I think he finally realized LeBron is above Jordan. FINALLY sheesh

https://media.giphy.com/media/4Zo1InomnFJWIwIkf7/giphy.gif

Anyone?

Couple minutes ago it was loud as hell like a pool hall up in this mother ****er but now all of a sudden it's quiet as a church

[3ball]

Anyone?

Couple minutes ago it was loud as hell like a pool hall up in this mother ****er but now all of a sudden it's quiet as a church
Spacetard:. "anyone know what 2+2 is?"

Poster:. "4"

Spacetard:. "Anyone?"

[And1AllDay]

So first of all I saw all this


This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

Then I saw this

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abxJnPpGmW72fO8/giphy.gif

[Silverbullit]

Fun fact:

Michael and LeBron have the SAME winning percentage in regular season:

Michael: 709 of 1072 games = 0.6586
LeBron: 789 of 1198 games = 0.6586

[SpaceJam2]

Fun fact:

Michael and LeBron have the SAME winning percentage in regular season:

Michael: 709 of 1072 games = 0.6586
LeBron: 789 of 1198 games = 0.6586

That is pretty crazy, did not know that :cheers:

The world tried to shield Jordan fans from the truth but that was my fault. David Stern and Nike were just enablers for Jordan fans who thought he actually was the greatest when MJ never was. The truth cannot be hidden any longer...I'm deeply sorry, it's like waiting 15 years then admitting to a kid they were adopted. I'm really sorry guys.

LeBron is better at
•scoring
•passing
•rebounding
•defending
•clutch shots
•faced tougher competiton
•More WS, VORP, OBPM, DBPM, BPM
•More efficient
•More versatile

[SpaceJam2]

Spacetard:. "anyone know what 2+2 is?"

Poster:. "4"

Spacetard:. "Anyone?"

Oh, there he is!

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's. LBJ still has more impact than MJ. See: DRtg, VORP, BPM.

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2. Amazun!

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

Yikes :eek:

#MoreToCome

Stay tuned

[SpaceJam2]

So first of all I saw all this



Then I saw this

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abxJnPpGmW72fO8/giphy.gif



https://i.postimg.cc/bvsgSSKJ/giphy.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/bvsgSSKJ/giphy.gif

[Rico2016]

Oh, there he is!

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's. LBJ still has more impact than MJ. See: DRtg, VORP, BPM.

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2. Amazun!

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

Yikes :eek:

#MoreToCome

Stay tuned

The thread goes quiet again...:eek: OP has made his case.

[And1AllDay]

Oh, there he is!

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's. LBJ still has more impact than MJ. See: DRtg, VORP, BPM.

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2. Amazun!

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

Yikes :eek:

#MoreToCome

Stay tuned


https://i.postimg.cc/KYnny3n6/tenor.gif

[TheCorporation]

Oh, there he is!

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's. LBJ still has more impact than MJ. See: DRtg, VORP, BPM.

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2. Amazun!

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

Yikes :eek:

#MoreToCome

Stay tuned

3ball like:

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sqc3POpzkj5r8SQ/giphy.gif

Whenever LeBron was proven to be superior to Jordan, I waaaas running (away)

[3ball]

Oh, there he is!

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's. LBJ still has more impact than MJ. See: DRtg, VORP, BPM.

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2. Amazun!

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

Yikes :eek:

#MoreToCome

Stay tuned
With equal or better efficiency, MJ's greater shot attempts prove he simply DID MORE - he provided more (volume) of a good thing (efficiency) - so MJ did more.. :applause: :confusedshrug:

Also, DRtg and DBPM measure defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that don't aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

[And1AllDay]

3ball like:

https://media.giphy.com/media/l2Sqc3POpzkj5r8SQ/giphy.gif

Whenever LeBron was proven to be superior to Jordan, I waaaas running (away)

:oldlol: :roll:

Either runs or makes up weird stats and compares certain years and takes out other years or lies :oldlol:

[TheCorporation]

:oldlol: :roll:

Either runs or makes up weird stats and compares certain years and takes out other years or lies :oldlol:

He'll find a way to twist this one too, I'm sure of it. He is the master contortionist when it comes to defending MJ.

[Leviathon1121]

Hi, I’m still waiting for some links to some legit polls that have Lebron as GOAT, did you forget?

[TheCorporation]

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]Hi, I

[ballinhun8]

OP got destroyed in the first page. Why is this thread still going on?

[Leviathon1121]

:roll: What? Someone needs to make a Jordan sweating pic trying to hit the "polls" button. In case you missed the entire thread, here it is. Get to reading:

Aww, that

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]Aww, that

[Leviathon1121]

LeBron is individually better than Jordan at everything except dunking but yep, Jordan is the better player :lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/7NS9ubljEclMePHIOB/giphy.gif

Aww, that

[SpaceJam2]

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]Aww, that

[Leviathon1121]

Oobviously. The Consensus strikes again :pimp:

Good, then it should be easy for you to show me some evidence that the majority of players, coaches, fans, etc view him as GOAT.

[TheCorporation]

Good, then it should be easy for you to show me some evidence that the majority of players, coaches, fans, etc view him as GOAT.

The 1st post in this thread...

[Real14]

My threads were closed. Why is this thread still up Mods?

[brutalBBQ]

The 1st post in this thread...

So in summary LeBron is the unofficial goat according to his stats being higher than Jordan's and even though Jordan is 6/6 and LeBron is 3/9 LeBron had harder finals competition compared to Jordan's opponents in the 90s.

[SpaceJam2]

My threads were closed. Why is this thread still up Mods?
This was made before the playoffs started and took thought and effort. It wasn't a low IQ troll thread like yours.

[Real14]

This was made before the playoffs started and took thought and effort. It wasn't a low IQ troll thread like yours.
You're a known alt from a known gay ass troll that has a damn agenda for propping up a bitch named Lebron who's not even in the damn playoffs. So how the f.uck he crushed everyone this season??? You make absolutely no sense and need to be checked the f.uck out!:biggums:

[Rico2016]

Real14, calm down ~ Breathe. Then read this because I think you missed it :banghead:


This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

[Leviathon1121]

The 1st post in this thread...
Ummm that is not what it shows, at all, sorry bud.

[Phenith]

This again...

Why does everyone keep comparing someone we all know was all about the stats to someone who was all about winning... it's like comparing players across eras (which this kind of falls into as well). Of course the stat guy is going to have better stats, it doesn't make him a better player.

[SpaceJam2]

This again...

Why does everyone keep comparing someone we all know was all about the stats to someone who was all about winning... it's like comparing players across eras (which this kind of falls into as well). Of course the stat guy is going to have better stats, it doesn't make him a better player.

That's why if you look at Advanced metrics he still wins, so you're absolutely wrong. I know it's hard for you to cope with this, but it is reality.

Okay so if individually speaking we know LeBron IS better, and you obviously don't like him, where do you rank him then?

[Phenith]

That's why if you look at Advanced metrics he still wins, so you're absolutely wrong. I know it's hard for you to cope with this, but it is reality.

Okay so if individually speaking we know LeBron IS better, and you obviously don't like him, where do you rank him then?

You notice I didn't say either was better, I just said that stats don't automatically make one player better than another(and all you mentioned was another type of stat). I don't rank players by number, it's pointless, there are far too many variables to factor in, he's definitely in a very elite group of the "Greatest players of all time".

As for "not liking him", it's not that simple, he's one of the greatest basketball talents ever, the thing I don't like is the style of play he forces, it's not entertaining to me to watch, just like Harden, that doesn't knock harden out of the "Greatest scorers of all time" list, just like it doesn't knock LBJ down much if any (Jordan was an @$$hole, does that knock him down?). The other thing that bothers me about LBJ overall is the obsession his stans have with propping him up every chance they get, it was extremely annoying with Kobe and it's no different with LBJ.

I have a greater appreciation for Kobe and his career now that it's not being shoved down my throat every 2nd thread. He's also settling into a more realistic ranking than his stans were trying to push before he was done.

[SpaceJam2]

You notice I didn't say either was better, I just said that stats don't automatically make one player better than another(and all you mentioned was another type of stat). I don't rank players by number, it's pointless, there are far too many variables to factor in, he's definitely in a very elite group of the "Greatest players of all time".

As for "not liking him", it's not that simple, he's one of the greatest basketball talents ever, the thing I don't like is the style of play he forces, it's not entertaining to me to watch, just like Harden, that doesn't knock harden out of the "Greatest scorers of all time" list, just like it doesn't knock LBJ down much if any (Jordan was an @$$hole, does that knock him down?). The other thing that bothers me about LBJ overall is the obsession his stans have with propping him up every chance they get, it was extremely annoying with Kobe and it's no different with LBJ.

I have a greater appreciation for Kobe and his career now that it's not being shoved down my throat every 2nd thread. He's also settling into a more realistic ranking than his stans were trying to push before he was done.

So TIer 1
LBJ
MJ
Magic/Kareem
Russell

Tier 2
Shaq
Duncan
Magic/Kareem


Tier 3
Bird
Hakeem
Robertson
Wilt

Tier 4
Kobe
Dirk
KD
Etc?

[SpaceJam2]

Oh, there he is!

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's. LBJ still has more impact than MJ. See: DRtg, VORP, BPM.

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2. Amazun!

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

Yikes :eek:

#MoreToCome

Stay tuned

Anyone?



https://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gifhttps://i.postimg.cc/0yJrkFdp/wheredey.gif

Anyone at all?

[Prometheus]

statnerd

[SpaceJam2]

statnerd
33-11-9 on 53%

https://i.postimg.cc/4dJ203Dw/Wedwedwedy2.jpg

Not quite 27-5-4 on 41% :lol

[3ball]

That's why if you look at Advanced metrics he still wins, so you're absolutely wrong. I know it's hard for you to cope with this, but it is reality.

Okay so if individually speaking we know LeBron IS better, and you obviously don't like him, where do you rank him then?
Lebron amassed more career totals

MJ did more per game

So MJ >>>>

OP is a fool

[SpaceJam2]

Lebron amassed more career totals

MJ did more per game

So MJ >>>>

OP is a fool

So first you were crying about Pace when owned on Advanced metrics and then you flip the argument and use per game stats which obviously don't account for Pace...:lol

Too predictable.

Is MJ even top 3?

Bron
Russell
Kobe/MJ/Magic?

[3ball]

So first you were crying about Pace when owned on Advanced metrics and then you flip the argument and use per game stats which obviously don't account for Pace...:lol

Too predictable.

Is MJ even top 3?

Bron
Russell
Kobe/MJ/Magic?
MJ wins per possession too (better ortg.. 118 to 116).

And he scored 43.3 points per 100 compared to only 36.9 for lebron

So again, MJ did more per game and per possession, which is greater than amassing career totals by playing too long like lebron.. :confusedshrug:

[SpaceJam2]

MJ wins per possession too (better ortg.. 118 to 116).

And he scored 43.3 points per 100 compared to only 36.9 for lebron

So again, MJ did more per game and per possession, which is greater than amassing career totals by playing too long like lebron.. :confusedshrug:

We covered this...MJ loses in DRtg (102 to 104), BPM, VORP, WS, and TS%

I'll find it and repost since you keep dismissing it.

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's.*LBJ still has more impact than MJ
See: DRtg, VORP, BPM, WS,

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2.

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?*

Ykes

[3ball]

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's.*LBJ still has more impact than MJ
See: DRtg, VORP, BPM, WS,

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2.

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?*

Ykes
MJ had equal or better efficiency, so his greater shot attempts prove he simply DID MORE - he provided more (volume) of a good thing (efficiency) - so MJ did more.. :applause: :confusedshrug:

Also, DRtg and DBPM measure defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at
.

[SpaceJam2]

Sorry he didn't get more rebounds? :lol :confusedshrug:

https://i.postimg.cc/7YB2Dz12/Hilite222.jpg

By the way, I'm glad more people are at reading the truth, even if they don't respond. The truth is spreading, be aware everyone.

No more myths, only facts.

[3ball]

Sorry he didn't get more rebounds? :lol :confusedshrug:

https://i.postimg.cc/7YB2Dz12/Hilite222.jpg

By the way, I'm glad more people are at reading the truth, even if they don't respond. The truth is spreading, be aware everyone.

No more myths, only facts.
Lebron's career totals are indeed interesting - a long career of ups and downs and accumulating stat totals

But MJ did more per game, so he's better and won more

:cheers:

[SpaceJam2]

Lebron's career totals are indeed interesting - a long career of ups and downs and accumulating stat totals

But MJ did more per game, so he's better and won more

:cheers:

Wrong

[SpaceJam2]

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's.*LBJ still has more impact than MJ
See: DRtg, VORP, BPM, WS,

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2.

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?*

Ykes

Anyone?

[Prometheus]

But stats... are only part of the story. David Robinson had far better stats than Duncan... no one thinks DRob was better. Just as a really simple example.

[ArbitraryWater]

But stats... are only part of the story. David Robinson had far better stats than Duncan... no one thinks DRob was better. Just as a really simple example.

Except, he didnt have better stats in the playoffs...

and as a regular season player he's acknowledged as better by most :confusedshrug:


Backfire example

[Smoke117]

But stats... are only part of the story. David Robinson had far better stats than Duncan... no one thinks DRob was better. Just as a really simple example.

:facepalm

[Rico2016]

Impressive to anyone else?

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's.*LBJ still has more impact than MJ
See: DRtg, VORP, BPM, WS,

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2.

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

[TheCorporation]

Impressive to anyone else?

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's.*LBJ still has more impact than MJ
See: DRtg, VORP, BPM, WS,

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2.

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?

https://media.giphy.com/media/EUQNsyA6mWXdu/giphy.gif

[SpaceJam2]

Too bad I can't add this to the OP, but here is some more information for your viewing pleasure:

Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
LeBron = .491
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448

3P%
LeBron = .332
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321

TS%
LeBron = .579
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541

:eek:

Um...Yikes

[Dray n Klay]

If a player shoots 20 times at 57-58% true shooting, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???.... :biggums:

MJ has the same shooting efficiency (within 1%), but took more shots and scored more ppg

So MJ just did more

Jordan lost with an all star teammate, lebron won without one

[3ball]

Jordan lost with an all star teammate, lebron won without one
Lebron lost with an all star teammate, MJ won without one

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron lost with an all star teammate, MJ won without one

Jordan won with 4 rebounds and 2 assists, LeBron lost with 12 rebounds and 10 assists.

[3ball]

Jordan won with 4 rebounds and 2 assists, LeBron lost with 12 rebounds and 10 assists.
Lebron won as a 16 ppg, net negative, non-closer, while MJ lost with 44 ppg on 50%

[Dray n Klay]

Lebron won as a 16 ppg, net negative, non-closer, while MJ lost with 44 ppg on 50%

lies

[3ball]

lies


Lebron averaged 16 on 39% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-134-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 3 games of the 13' Finals

yet still won


Lebron averaged 23 on 43% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-137-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 6 games

yet still won


Lebron didn't hit the big shot (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5zYoE0OzoBU) (didn't close)

yet still won


Lebron was a net negative for the series (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)

yet still won

[TheCorporation]

Lebron won as a 16 ppg, net negative, non-closer, while MJ lost with 44 ppg on 50%

Of the 50 FMVP winners (1969 to 2018) MJ has the #49th and 47th ranked all-time worst FG% in Finals history yet he still won. Meaning he was the second and 4th worst all time, only second to Kobe for the #1 worst all time. Ready for more?

He also has the 45th of 50 ranked for rebounds :lol yet he still won
He also has the 47th of 50 ranked for assists :lol yet he still won

MJ did the worst of all-time performances and yet he still won I wonder why? Why? Teammates? Competition? You decide

Either he had amazing help or his competition was weak. Or...Both :eek:

[TheCorporation]

Too bad I can't add this to the OP, but here is some more information for your viewing pleasure:

Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
LeBron = .491
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448

3P%
LeBron = .332
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321

TS%
LeBron = .579
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541

:eek:

Um...Yikes

https://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gifhttps://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gif

[3ball]

.
Too bad I can't add this to the OP, but here is some more information for your viewing pleasure:

Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
LeBron = .491
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448

3P%
LeBron = .332
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321

TS%
LeBron = .579
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541

:eek:

Um...Yikes
If a player shoots 20 times at 57-58% true shooting, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???.... :biggums:

MJ has the same shooting efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg

So MJ just did more.. :confusedshrug:

And again, the OP stats are career totals and based on games played (total points, vorp, win shares)... But MJ did more per game (ppg) on better overall efficiency per possession (118 offensive rating), with better "rate" stats that aren't biased by number of games played (PER, ws/48, usage)

Take this L op

[3ball]

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-134-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 3 games of the 13' Finals

yet still won


Lebron averaged 23 on 43% (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/jamesle01/gamelog/2013/#132-137-sum:pgl_basic_playoffs) thru 6 games

yet still won


Lebron didn't hit the big shot (https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5zYoE0OzoBU) (didn't close)

yet still won


Lebron was a net negative for the series (https://stats.nba.com/player/2544/advanced/?Season=2012-13&SeasonType=Playoffs&PORound=4)

yet still won


And he had 3 turnovers in the last 3 minutes of game 6

yet still won

[SpaceJam2]

Of the 50 FMVP winners (1969 to 2018) MJ has the #49th and 47th ranked all-time worst FG% in Finals history yet he still won. Meaning he was the second and 4th worst all time, only second to Kobe for the #1 worst all time. Ready for more?

He also has the 45th of 50 ranked for rebounds :lol yet he still won
He also has the 47th of 50 ranked for assists :lol yet he still won

MJ did the worst of all-time performances and yet he still won I wonder why? Why? Teammates? Competition? You decide

Either he had amazing help or his competition was weak. Or...Both :eek:

Wow...

[3ball]

Wow...
MJ won because he had big edges on everyone in the most important categories - scoring and clutch

Otoh, Lebron had smaller edges in lesser important categories (defensive rebounds, assists), and was horrible in the most important categories - scoring, clutch, net rating

[brutalBBQ]

yet he still won.
yet he still won
yet he still won
yet he still won
:
And what LeBron do?
L
L
L
L
L
L
Why did Lebron take so many Ls if he is so great?

[TheCorporation]

And what LeBron do?
L
L
L
L
L
L
Why did Lebron take so many Ls if he is so great?

Because he didn't face soup cans...How hard is that to comprehend? He was facing dynasties, not single finals APPEARANCE teams like the Jazz and Sonics and Trail Blazers :lol

[SpaceJam2]

So first you were crying about Pace when owned on Advanced metrics and then you flip the argument and use per game stats which obviously don't account for Pace...:lol

Too predictable.

Is MJ even top 3?

Bron
Russell
Kobe/MJ/Magic?

Anyone?

[SpaceJam2]

Look up playoffs and advanced metrics because you seem to be confused. LeBron is better than Jordan at nearly every single statistic.

He also scored more points on less shots and has the all-time post season scoring record. Jordan never had a big elimination game in the finals either. It's just not close and I'm sorry.

[Leviathon1121]

Is he the consensus GOAT yet, or is Jordan still killing him by landslide margins in every poll?

[Rico2016]

Is he the consensus GOAT yet, or is Jordan still killing him by landslide margins in every poll?

Eye test and numbers don't lie, although most players will vote him in as the number one best, yes. I think part of it is nostalgia, as many young players that probably never even watched a full Michael Jordan Bulls games are touting him as the "GOAT" because that's what the media, David Stern, and Nike has led everyone to believe.

I think you can arguably have Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Kareem, or Russell as the GOAT but these five guys are most likely in everyone's top 5 list and if they aren't then you're likely talking to a hater or someone who doesn't know enough about basketball to have a proper discussion regarding the ranks of NBA legends.

[3ball]

Eye test and numbers don't lie, although most players will vote him in as the number one best, yes. I think part of it is nostalgia, as many young players that probably never even watched a full Michael Jordan Bulls games are touting him as the "GOAT" because that's what the media, David Stern, and Nike has led everyone to believe.

I think you can arguably have Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Kareem, or Russell as the GOAT but these five guys are most likely in everyone's top 5 list and if they aren't then you're likely talking to a hater or someone who doesn't know enough about basketball to have a proper discussion regarding the ranks of NBA legends.
Only MJ has goat-level stats, rings, and accolades, so he's the consensus goat by all age groups, genders, players, coaches and fans/media alike

:dancin:

Only MJ goes down as the babe ruth of the sport and stands the test of time as a legendary, a near-mythic figure - they'll never describe lebron like this because he has too many flaws and failures:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBZH4nICAE4&t=0m16s

[Leviathon1121]

Eye test and numbers don't lie, although most players will vote him in as the number one best, yes. I think part of it is nostalgia, as many young players that probably never even watched a full Michael Jordan Bulls games are touting him as the "GOAT" because that's what the media, David Stern, and Nike has led everyone to believe.

I think you can arguably have Jordan, LeBron, Magic, Kareem, or Russell as the GOAT but these five guys are most likely in everyone's top 5 list and if they aren't then you're likely talking to a hater or someone who doesn't know enough about basketball to have a proper discussion regarding the ranks of NBA legends.
So he

[SpaceJam2]

Only MJ has goat-level stats, rings, and accolades, so he's the consensus goat by all age groups, genders, players, coaches and fans/media alike

:dancin:

Only MJ goes down as the babe ruth of the sport and stands the test of time as a legendary, a near-mythic figure - they'll never describe lebron like this because he has too many flaws and failures:

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=IBZH4nICAE4&t=0m16s

What was the best Finals team MJ beat?

[SpaceJam2]

Also, Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)

[TheCorporation]

Also, Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)

:eek: :eek:

[superduper]

Also, Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)

King James took 5 allstar Warriors to 7 with ZERO allstars

Kang James got swept in historical fashion with ONE allstar

:eek:

[TheCorporation]

What about these?

LeBron outperformed at every level

https://i.postimg.cc/2jK62pMb/MJ-vs-LJ-post.jpg

And had less help

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

Faced tougher competition

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

And broke records

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

And is the obvious GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/9XNrQrGn/screen-shot-2018-05-21-at-11-42-59-am.jpg

Your move

[And1AllDay]

What about these?

LeBron outperformed at every level

https://i.postimg.cc/2jK62pMb/MJ-vs-LJ-post.jpg

And had less help

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

Faced tougher competition

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

And broke records

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

And is the obvious GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/9XNrQrGn/screen-shot-2018-05-21-at-11-42-59-am.jpg

Your move

Ether

[SpaceJam2]

What about these?

LeBron outperformed at every level

https://i.postimg.cc/2jK62pMb/MJ-vs-LJ-post.jpg

And had less help

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

Faced tougher competition

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

And broke records

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

And is the obvious GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/9XNrQrGn/screen-shot-2018-05-21-at-11-42-59-am.jpg

Your move

No one? Is it confirmed then...:eek:

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/2jK62pMb/MJ-vs-LJ-post.jpg


Lebron won his 2013 ring with only 25 on 44.7%

that's worse than all of mj's Finals

Lebron averaged 16 on 39% thru 3 games, while his 23 on 43% was insufficient thru 6 games and needed Ray to force game 7.. he was also a net negative for the series and didn't close/hit the big shot

So his 2013 is worse than any of MJ's Finals....

And the stats from his last 3 Finals losses were westbrooking and resulted in record defeat..





https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg



Everyone knows that PPG is the real record:



Career PPG Playoffs

Jordan...... 33.5


Iverson..... 29.7
West......... 29.1
Lebron...... 28.9
Durant...... 28.8
Barry......... 27.3
Elgin......... 27.0
Gervin...... 26.5
Curry........ 26.0
Hakeem... 25.9


^^^ the gap between #1 and #2 is bigger than the gap between the #2 and #10... MJ was an exception as a scorer - no one is close





https://i.postimg.cc/9XNrQrGn/screen-shot-2018-05-21-at-11-42-59-am.jpg


The all-time leader in PPG, PER, and ws/48 won 6 rings with 6 FMVP's, and the most clutch shots in the championship by far...

No one can top that level of stats, winning, accolades and clutch

Sorry bud, but Lebron's time in the goat debate has ended... :confusedshrug: ... Just like Kobe's did..





https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg


^^^ Those stats show MJ carrying his 2nd option in a way lebron never did, or anyone else in history, except for Wilt


PPG

17' Lebron - 26.4
17' K Irving - 25.2

15' Lebron - 25.3
15' K Irving - 21.7

16' Lebron - 25.3
16' K Irving - 19.6


In addition to lebron only averaging 1-5 more than Kyrie, he only averaged 1-7 more than Wade from 11-14', while MJ scored 10-28 more than pippen between 88-98', with more assists

Also, lebron had HOF's at 3rd option, while grant was a role player.. ultimately, MJ won 6 rings with 1 all-star teammate (6 appearances), while lebron needed 6 all-stars (15 appearances) to win only 3 rings..





https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png


From 2011-2017, the Spurs/Heat and Warriors/Cavs were the only super-teams in the league, so they had higher ratings by beating up on weaker teams than the parity of the 90's

It's harder to win with many teams having equal talent levels (90's parity) than being one of 2 big fish in the pond (today's game)

In the 90's west, 4-5 teams took turns having their banner year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. these teams all peaked just as high as the Spurs or Warriors, but simply didn't have a long tenure due to parity

furthermore, mj BEAT better teams - lebron never better b2b champs... He also beat 3 Finals teams to MJ's 6, while facing garbage comp in the East... Lebron beat half the 50-win teams as MJ, and didn't have to beat Finals teams to make the Finals like MJ beat Shaq's Magic, Ewing's Knicks, Reggie's Pacers
.(all Finals teams)

[TheCorporation]

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's.*LBJ still has more impact than MJ
See: DRtg, VORP, BPM, WS,

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2.

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?*

Yikes

https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

[Leviathon1121]

I did a search and couldn

[And1AllDay]

https://media.giphy.com/media/EUQNsyA6mWXdu/giphy.gif


https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

[SpaceJam2]

https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

[egokiller]

[QUOTE=Leviathon1121]I did a search and couldn

[Mr.GOAT2408]

I don't understand the love affair with BPM considering Westbrook had statistically the prolific season of the modern era according to that metric. It's an aggregate box score metroc, guys that hold the ball a long time and hunt boards are going to "look" good even if that brand of basketball has never quite worked

LeBron is nowhere near as bad as Westbrook in that regard, and he's also more efficient to boot, but he rarely plays a brand of basketball conductive to winning. The way he played from 2012-2016 (most of it anyway) was the way he should have played his whole career. Elite two way dominance, slashing, etc.

Jordan was in a similar boat. He began his career averaging 33/6/6 on 59.2 ts% - or 42/8/8 per 100 possessions - before Phil came. In the postseason: 35/7/7 on 58.9 TS% and 43/8/8 per 100

LeBron 1st Cleveland stint: 28/7/7 on 56.2 TS% or 37/9/9 per 100 in regular season, 29/8/7 on 56.1 TS% or 37/11/9 per 100

Sure defenses were better from 04-10 than they were from 85-89, not all old heads thinks thst 80s MJ faced better defenses, but the 90s was when the game become very physical and it shows when comparing efficiencies and even just watching the games. The defenses of the 90s and early 2000s were better than the mid late 2000s, better than early 10s and way better than late 10s.

Now Phil was not an Xs and Os but his philosophy was on point, MJ being as coachable as he often was sacrificed numbers and that's how he became the GOAT

And yet, his numbers still look better despite being way less ball-dominant, and the numbers do not entirely count how good of a defender he was :eek:

[The Iron Fist]

What about these?

LeBron outperformed at every level

https://i.postimg.cc/2jK62pMb/MJ-vs-LJ-post.jpg

And had less help

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

Faced tougher competition

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

And broke records

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

And is the obvious GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/9XNrQrGn/screen-shot-2018-05-21-at-11-42-59-am.jpg

Your move
Easy move. Lebron has six losses in the finals. Those other 4 players have a combined 8. Too easy. Cant be goat when you have more losses than everyone you try to compare him to.

[SpaceJam2]

Easy move. Lebron has six losses in the finals. Those other 4 players have a combined 8. Too easy. Cant be goat when you have more losses than everyone you try to compare him to.


Wait, he has all of those losses and still more points than anybody in NBA history by over 1,000?!

And he'e still playing? That's insane. Tell me more about the GOAT :bowdown:

[Spurs m8]

Imagine using totals instead of averages to try prove a point hahahahahahahahah

[Real14]

Imagine using totals instead of averages to try prove a point hahahahahahahahah
Its crazy tho how this thread is still up but mine telling the truth about Lebron's shortcomings gets deleted right bro?:confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

Its crazy tho how this thread is still up but mine telling the truth about Lebron's shortcomings gets deleted right bro?:confusedshrug:

Is this a troll thread when its filled with only facts..uh...? :banghead:

Moron

[Real14]

Is this a troll thread when its filled with only facts..uh...? :banghead:

Moron
It's not facts.

[And1AllDay]

Imagine using totals instead of averages to try prove a point hahahahahahahahah

Yeah becos Allen Iverson and Rick Barry are much better playoff performers then Kareem and Kobe :oldlol: :oldlol:

Fail

[And1AllDay]

It's not facts.

He dont have more points and better Defense rating and more game winners and better advanced stats? Bruh please...Dont do this to yourself

[Real14]

He dont have more points and better Defense rating and more game winners and better advanced stats? Bruh please...Dont do this to yourselfJordan played with less talent in stronger conferences. Lebron on the other hand...

[And1AllDay]

Jordan played with less talent in stronger conferences. Lebron on the other hand...

See now this is a troll nice try homie :oldlol:


we

stay

winning :banana:

[Real14]

See now this is a troll nice try homie :oldlol:


we

stay

winning :banana:
East was better than the west throughout Lebron's career?:biggums:

[And1AllDay]

Just discovered Bron has a better Defense Rating in the playoffs so your wrong bruh :oldlol: :oldlol:

2 ez

You didn't know Bron was better defensively then Mike? Please tell us more about how good Mike was on defense since Bron was even better :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvvKHqXh/udidntknow.png
Bron: BLK, BLK%, DBPM, BPM, DRtg, VORP
Mike: STL, STL%

:(

N
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Yikes..

[TheCorporation]

Just discovered Bron has a better Defense Rating in the playoffs so your wrong bruh :oldlol:

2 ez

You didn't know Bron was better defensively then Mike? Please tell us more about how good Mike was on defense since Bron was even better :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvvKHqXh/udidntknow.png
Bron: BLK, BLK%, DBPM, BPM, DRtg, VORP
Mike: STL, STL%

:(

N
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x
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Yikes..

:eek:

And1 got these bois SILENT :lol

[And1AllDay]

:eek:

And1 got these bois SILENT :lol


All of a sudden their v very quiet

https://i.postimg.cc/FRdFPKPZ/bron-celeb.jpg

[GimmeThat]

Lebron crushes, then LeBron stiff arms, then shutting down LeBron's passing option

[And1AllDay]

Lebron crushes, then LeBron stiff arms, then shutting down LeBron's passing option

Mr. Get out of my way Im getting 40 tonight :applause:

[TheCorporation]

Just discovered Bron has a better Defense Rating in the playoffs so your wrong bruh :oldlol: :oldlol:

2 ez

You didn't know Bron was better defensively then Mike? Please tell us more about how good Mike was on defense since Bron was even better :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvvKHqXh/udidntknow.png
Bron: BLK, BLK%, DBPM, BPM, DRtg, VORP
Mike: STL, STL%

:(

N
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x
t

Yikes..

The facts got me like:

https://i.postimg.cc/PJw2h6g9/ezgif-com-gif-maker.gif

[superduper]

Yet none of you can explain what DRTG, VORP, BPM, etc. truly means in reality. Keep watching basketball on paper, maybe Bran will be the GOAT that way :lol

[3ball]

.

Bron: BLK, BLK%, DBPM, BPM, DRtg, VORP
Mike: STL, STL%

And Lebron has more points on less shots


DRtg and DBPM only measures steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

And if a player shoots 20 times at 57-58% true shooting, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???.... :biggums:

MJ has the same shooting efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg

So MJ just did more.. :confusedshrug:

And again, the OP stats are career totals and based on games played (total points, vorp, win shares)... But MJ did more per game (ppg) on better overall efficiency per possession (118 offensive rating), with better "rate" stats that aren't biased by number of games played (PER, ws/48, usage)

More L's for OP.. OP destroyed and embarrassed itt

[TheCorporation]

DRtg and DBPM only measures steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares


Dirty little liar, Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird AND Jordan in the playoffs. You are the worst liar I've ever seen I can't take anything you say seriously now...

https://i.postimg.cc/XqRCt132/3ball-lies.png


Pippen leads Bird and Jordan in nearly every. single. defensive. stat.

Dirty little liar caught again :no:

[3ball]

Dirty little liar, Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird AND Jordan in the playoffs. You are the worst liar I've ever seen I can't take anything you say seriously now...

https://i.postimg.cc/XqRCt132/3ball-lies.png


Pippen leads Bird and Jordan in nearly every. single. defensive. stat.

Dirty little liar caught again :no:
I stan the goat so I don't need to lie like you do:



Regular Season

L Bird:b. 101 DRtg.. 2.5 DBPM
Pippen:. 102 DRtg.. 2.4 DBPM


DRtg and DBPM only measures steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

And if a player shoots 20 times at 57-58% true shooting, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???

MJ has the same shooting efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg.. So MJ just did more..

And again, the OP stats are career totals and based on games played (total points, vorp, win shares)... But MJ did more per game (ppg) on better overall efficiency per possession (118 offensive rating), with better "rate" stats that aren't biased by number of games played (PER, ws/48, usage)

[TheCorporation]

I stan the goat so I don't need to lie like you do:



Regular Season

L Bird:b. 101 DRtg.. 2.5 DBPM
Pippen:. 102 DRtg.. 2.4 DBPM


DRtg and DBPM only measures steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

And if a player shoots 20 times at 57-58% true shooting, then why not shoot 25 times at that efficiency???

MJ has the same shooting efficiency, but took more shots and scored more ppg.. So MJ just did more..

And again, the OP stats are career totals and based on games played (total points, vorp, win shares)... But MJ did more per game (ppg) on better overall efficiency per possession (118 offensive rating), with better "rate" stats that aren't biased by number of games played (PER, ws/48, usage)

Dirty little liar, Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird AND Jordan in the playoffs. You are the worst liar I've ever seen I can't take anything you say seriously now...

https://i.postimg.cc/XqRCt132/3ball-lies.png


Pippen leads Bird and Jordan in nearly every. single. defensive. stat.

Dirty little liar caught again :no:

[TheCorporation]

It's not even close. The one thing Jordan is better at is points (scoring), but Jordan also has a higher USG%, lower TS%, half the rebounds and assists and nearly identical PER, while LeBron also has a better / lower assist to turnover ratio.

The gig is up. LBJ is #1

Yikes...3ball?

[Gileraracer]

Lebron can have all the stats he wants, the only stat that matters:


6/6 > 3/9

[TheCorporation]

Lebron can have all the stats he wants, the only stat that matters:


6/6 > 3/9

8 for 8 Havlicek

11 for 12 Russell

7 for 7 Horry

True Goats yep

[Rico2016]

This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

It really would take an incredible amount of delusion to not rank LeBron in the top 3 after reading all of this but people have a penchant ability to shock others when their biased feelings get in the way of sound and pragmatic decision making. I currently have LeBron in the top 3 and I don't think there's anything wrong with a list like so

MJ
LBJ
Russell

as the top 3 all time ranked players but to each their own.

[3ball]

It really would take an incredible amount of delusion to not rank LeBron in the top 3 after reading all of this but people have a penchant ability to shock others when their biased feelings get in the way of sound and pragmatic decision making. I currently have LeBron in the top 3 and I don't think there's anything wrong with a list like so

MJ
LBJ
Russell

as the top 3 all time ranked players but to each their own.
The OP graphic is inaccurate

OP didn't highlight half the stats that MJ leads - anyone could make a similar graphic for MJ that shows all the stats he leads and omits Lebron's

And career totals don't measure degree of dominance, so most of OP's stats mean nothing... Lebron's lead in career points, win shares, and vorp mean the same as Reggie Miller's lead on Bird in these areas - Miller/Lebron simply played longer, but the per game stats show that Bird/MJ dominated more

Overall - MJ leads ppg, oreb, spg, ft %, usage, ortg, PER, WS/48, and plus-minus - these are some of the most crucial stats and refects more dominance than Lebron's areas (dreb, assists, etc)

[TheCorporation]

The OP graphic is inaccurate

OP didn't highlight half the stats that MJ leads - anyone could make a similar graphic for MJ that shows all the stats he leads and omits Lebron's

And career totals don't measure degree of dominance, so most of OP's stats mean nothing... Lebron's lead in career points, win shares, and vorp mean the same as Reggie Miller's lead on Bird in these areas - Miller/Lebron simply played longer, but the per game stats show that Bird/MJ dominated more

Overall - MJ leads ppg, oreb, spg, ft %, usage, ortg, PER, WS/48, and plus-minus - these are some of the most crucial stats and refects more dominance than Lebron's areas (dreb, assists, etc)

So now we're holding it against players that played longer because they weren't dad killers that didn't go play baseball? Your a moronic joke. Get bodied

https://i.postimg.cc/g20pk497/Playoffpointslisttt.jpg

[3ball]

So now we're holding it against players that played longer because they weren't dad killers that didn't go play baseball? Your a moronic joke. Get bodied

https://i.postimg.cc/g20pk497/Playoffpointslisttt.jpg
Lebron had more career totals and MJ did more per game.. :cheers:

Specifically, MJ scored 5 more points on near-equal shooting efficiency and better overall efficiency per possession (118 offensive rating to 116 for lebron)

Obviously, lebron would be much more dominant if he averaged 5 more PPG on better efficiency.. :eek:

[TheCorporation]

Lebron had more career totals and MJ did more per game.. :cheers:

Specifically, MJ scored 5 more points on near-equal shooting efficiency and better overall efficiency per possession (118 offensive rating to 116 for lebron)

Obviously, lebron would be much more dominant if he averaged 5 more PPG on better efficiency.. :eek:

DRtg please?

LeBron 102
MJ 104

Bodied

Also...Sorry MJ left to play baseball and was 1-9 in the 1st round and then lost to Detroit 3 years in a row. Maybe if he didnt spend half his career in the 1st round or getting bodied he could have more totals. :confusedshrug:

[3ball]

DRtg please?

LeBron 102
MJ 104

Bodied

Also...Sorry MJ left to play baseball and was 1-9 in the 1st round and then lost to Detroit 3 years in a row. Maybe if he didnt spend half his career in the 1st round or getting bodied he could have more totals. :confusedshrug:
DRtg means nothing

DRtg and DBPM only measure steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

[TheCorporation]

DRtg means nothing

DRtg and DBPM only measure steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at


Dirty little liar, Pippen has a better DRtg than Bird AND Jordan in the playoffs. You are the worst liar I've ever seen I can't take anything you say seriously now...

https://i.postimg.cc/XqRCt132/3ball-lies.png


Pippen leads Bird and Jordan in nearly every. single. defensive. stat.

Dirty little liar caught again :no:

But accept you're wrong and lying so...Bye

[3ball]

But accept you're wrong and lying so...Bye
Bird led in DRtg over the much larger sample of the regular season:



Regular Season

L Bird:b. 101 DRtg.. 2.5 DBPM
Pippen:. 102 DRtg.. 2.4 DBPM


So u were wrong

DRtg and DBPM only measures steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

[TheCorporation]

I'm a dirty liar


Confirmed

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg

[3ball]

Confirmed

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg
Calculation of DRtg:


The core of the Defensive Rating calculation is the concept of the individual Defensive Stop. Stops take into account the instances of a player ending an opposing possession that are tracked in the boxscore (blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds, in addition to an estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.)


The part after the bolded is calculated using the team's rate of defensive stops:



Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute.


The only inputs for individual drtg are individual and team steals, blocks and rebounds, along with team drtg and opponent shooting efficiency: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html

So again - DRtg and DBPM only measures steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

[TheCorporation]

Calculation of DRtg:


The core of the Defensive Rating calculation is the concept of the individual Defensive Stop. Stops take into account the instances of a player ending an opposing possession that are tracked in the boxscore (blocks, steals, and defensive rebounds, in addition to an estimate for the number of forced turnovers and forced misses by the player which aren't captured by steals and blocks.)


The part after the bolded is calculated using the team's rate of defensive stops:



Out of necessity (owing to a lack of defensive data in the basic boxscore), individual Defensive Ratings are heavily influenced by the team's defensive efficiency. They assume that all teammates are equally good (per minute) at forcing non-steal turnovers and non-block misses, as well as assuming that all teammates face the same number of total possessions per minute.


The only inputs for individual drtg are individual and team steals, blocks and rebounds, along with team drtg and opponent shooting efficiency: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/ratings.html

So again - DRtg and DBPM only measures steals, blocks and defensive rebounds, which is why Bird has higher DRtg and DBPM than Pippen.. DRtg and BPM are flawed for this reason, and VORP is an accumulation stat based on games played, similar to win shares

The only "rate" stats that aren't biased towards defensive rebounds are PER, ws/48, and per game stats, all of which MJ destroys lebron at

So LeBron and Pippen's DRtg were both better than MJ's? Got it.

Anything else?

[Real14]

Threads like this are the reason many people keep leaving ISH.

[TheCorporation]

Threads like this are the reason many people keep leaving ISH.

If literal facts are why they're leaving then it sounds like a personal problem. What part of OP wasn't facts? I'll wait.

[egokiller]

Triggered OP tried to make a positive spin post about someone who's 3/9?

:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Real14]

Triggered OP tried to make a positive spin post about someone who's 3/9?

:roll: :roll: :roll:
Exactly :lol

[Manny98]

No one did better by the age of 31 than LeBron so he's GOAT accept it Ordan stans

https://i.postimg.cc/c4HZ8H2m/RHFTMvu.jpg

[Manny98]

LeBron wins in everything outside of team accomplishments

https://i.postimg.cc/wThPMdTV/5ae724dd19ee865a008b4698-750-940.png

[Manny98]

Hold up MJ only had 2 playoff triple doubles in his career compared to LeBrons 18 :roll: :roll: :roll:

[3ball]

Hold up MJ only had 2 playoff triple doubles in his career compared to LeBrons 18 :roll: :roll: :roll:
Westbrooking almost never wins and needs an extra all-star teammate to mostly lose in the championship

[SpaceJam2]

No one did better by the age of 31 than LeBron so he's GOAT accept it Ordan stans

https://i.postimg.cc/c4HZ8H2m/RHFTMvu.jpg

:eek: LBJ = GOAT :bowdown:

[SpaceJam2]

Westbrooking almost never wins and needs an extra all-star teammate to mostly lose in the championship

What is 1-9 Jordan and losing to Pistons 3 years in a row called?

Demaring :lol

Jordan was Demaring for half career, thats why he has less points / stats.than LBJ

[SpaceJam2]

Westbrooking almost never wins and needs an extra all-star teammate to mostly lose in the championship

If Jordan wasn't so busy with 1-9 and then afyer Pipoen still losing to the Pistons three years in a row and "Demar Derozaning" he might have more points than LeBron. Too bad he doesn't :lol

[Manny98]

Westbrooking almost never wins and needs an extra all-star teammate to mostly lose in the championship
He beat a 73 win team with 0 other all stars on his team by "Westbrooking"

Whilst Jordan got swept by the Celtics.

[SpaceJam2]

He beat a 73 win team with 0 other all stars on his team by "Westbrooking"

Whilst Jordan got swept by the Celtics.

Bodybagged :lol :lol

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[3ball]

If Jordan wasn't so busy with 1-9 and then afyer Pipoen still losing to the Pistons three years in a row and "Demar Derozaning" he might have more points than LeBron. Too bad he doesn't :lol



DeRozan doesn't compare to Clyde, let alone MJ.. :whatever:


Regular Season

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.1.. 5.6.. 54.7 ts.. 114 ortg.. 21.1 PER.. 0.175 ws/48... 6.0 bpm.. 75.6 vorp
DEROZAN:. 19.9.. 4.3.. 3.4.. 53.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 17.9 PER.. 0.113 ws/48.. -0.5 bpm.. 10.0 vorp


Playoffs

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.9.. 6.1.. 53.2 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.7 PER.. 0.134 ws/48... 5.9 bpm.. 11.0 vorp
DEROZAN:. 21.9.. 4.6.. 3.6.. 50.3 ts.. 103 ortg.. 16.7 PER.. 0.052 ws/48.. -1.8 bpm.. 0.1 vorp



MJ's comp was otherworldly... :bowdown: :bowdown:

[TheCorporation]

Just discovered Bron has a better Defense Rating in the playoffs so your wrong bruh :oldlol: :oldlol:

2 ez

You didn't know Bron was better defensively then Mike? Please tell us more about how good Mike was on defense since Bron was even better :oldlol:

https://i.postimg.cc/zvvKHqXh/udidntknow.png
Bron: BLK, BLK%, DBPM, BPM, DRtg, VORP
Mike: STL, STL%

:(

N
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Yikes..

https://i.postimg.cc/KYnny3n6/tenor.gif

[3ball]

DeRozan doesn't compare to Clyde, let alone MJ.. :whatever:


Regular Season

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.1.. 5.6.. 54.7 ts.. 114 ortg.. 21.1 PER.. 0.175 ws/48... 6.0 bpm.. 75.6 vorp
DEROZAN:. 19.9.. 4.3.. 3.4.. 53.6 ts.. 109 ortg.. 17.9 PER.. 0.113 ws/48.. -0.5 bpm.. 10.0 vorp


Playoffs

DREXLER:.. 20.4.. 6.9.. 6.1.. 53.2 ts.. 113 ortg.. 19.7 PER.. 0.134 ws/48... 5.9 bpm.. 11.0 vorp
DEROZAN:. 21.9.. 4.6.. 3.6.. 50.3 ts.. 103 ortg.. 16.7 PER.. 0.052 ws/48.. -1.8 bpm.. 0.1 vorp



MJ's comp was otherworldly... :bowdown: :bowdown:
Corporation - you were destroyed on every page of this thread and your career totals stats exposed, so why do you keep bumping a thread that's been shitted on so many times?

And why you running from all the posts that proved you wrong like the one above

[SpaceJam2]

Corporation - you were destroyed on every page of this thread and your career totals stats exposed, so why do you keep bumping a thread that's been shitted on so many times?

And why you running from all the posts that proved you wrong like the one above

It's hard to argue with people that believe their own lies...Face the facts 2 ball

[SpaceJam2]

This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.

Why are you running from all THIS?

2 ez

[3ball]

.
Pippen was bad in MOST big series the bulls played:



1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%
1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5% (worst-ever 1st option w/ goat choke)

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats in 96-98 Playoffs - 17 on 40%


^^^ Those stats show that Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside MJ - 1991-1993 - he sucked the other years - 88-90' and 95-98'

[TheCorporation]

.
Pippen was bad in MOST big series the bulls played:



1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%
1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5% (worst-ever 1st option w/ goat choke)

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%


Pippen's stats in 96-98 Playoffs - 17 on 40%


^^^ Those stats show that Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside MJ - 1991-1993 - he sucked the other years - 88-90' and 95-98'
1-9

[egokiller]

Jason Terry

No go outside and see the sun. Stop being 3ball

[And1AllDay]

[QUOTE=egokiller]Jason Terry

No go outside and see the sun. Stop being 3ball

[Paul George 24]

This feels like 2016 LBJ when he lead all players in all major statistical categories. Only this time he's doing it against Jordan :eek:

LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 2
LeBron shoots a better pecentage from 3
He has a higher FG%, eFG%, and TS%
He has a better AST%, TRB%, BPG%, and a lower USG%

MJ scores more points, but also has a higher USG% and a higher FT%

With advanced metrics, both in the regular season and playoffs, it gets even worse for Jordan

https://i.postimg.cc/52mBwW6h/LBJ-vs-MJ-complete.png

LeBron leads MJ in: Win Shares, TS%, TRB%, AST%, BLK%, OWS, DWS, OBPM, DBPM, BPM, VORP

MJ leads in: FT%, and STL%

LeBron also has slightly more turnovers, but a better assist-to-turnover ratio, so boom roasted there too:

https://i.postimg.cc/dtxCbRZN/a2toratio.png

It's just not. even. close. And some have been fooled for a long time, but not I.

https://i.postimg.cc/0jKSQL7M/LeBron_1st.png

Can we please stop thinking Jordan is better now? LeBron crushes him in almost every category and if you look at total playoff stats it's a LANDSLIDE victory, with nearly 1000 more points and double the rebounds.
3-15,WHAT A CHOKER:oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

Thanks. LeGoat is truly one of a kind. Beats Jordan individually and it's not close.

https://media.giphy.com/media/lLp9dTw6qxcD6/giphy.gif



Um...Usually the stats start the year the player enters the league. Not before or after :lol
I JUST KNEW LECHOKE CHOKE 6 TIMES IN NBA FINALS:oldlol:

[Paul George 24]

Whats better, 12 rebounds and 10 assists or 4 rebounds and 2 assists (assuing both get the same 34ppg) :confusedshrug:
ONLY 3 RINGS & CAN'T WIN WITHOUT TEAMUP WITH 2 STARS:roll:

[Paul George 24]

Anyone?

Couple minutes ago it was loud as hell like a pool hall up in this mother ****er but now all of a sudden it's quiet as a church
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

LeBron is individually better than Jordan at everything except dunking but yep, Jordan is the better player :lol

https://media.giphy.com/media/7NS9ubljEclMePHIOB/giphy.gif
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Impressive to anyone else?

Jordan only "wins" in the scoring department because he:
-took 4.2 more FGA
-took 0.7 more FTA
-has a 3.4% higher USG%
-faced weak perimeter defenders his ENTIRE career

But despite MJ's scoring ability, his BPM is still lower than LeBron's.*LBJ still has more impact than MJ
See: DRtg, VORP, BPM, WS,

LBJ's DRtg is BETTER than MJ's. Can you believe that?

Post season DRtg
LBJ: 102
MJ: 104

Post season VORP
LBJ: 33.1 (#1)
MJ: 22.8 (#2)
Duncan: 18.6 (#3)

Huuuge gap between #1 and #2.

More efficient scorer? Bron
Better defender? Bron
More impactful? Bron
Better...dunker? MJ?
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Too bad I can't add this to the OP, but here is some more information for your viewing pleasure:

Playoff scoring efficiency *minimum 150 games played

FG%
LeBron = .491
Jordan = .487
Bird = .472
Kobe = .448

3P%
LeBron = .332
Jordan = .332
Kobe = .331
Bird = .321

TS%
LeBron = .579
Jordan = .568
Bird = .551
Kobe = .541

:eek:

Um...Yikes
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Jordan won with 4 rebounds and 2 assists, LeBron lost with 12 rebounds and 10 assists.
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Of the 50 FMVP winners (1969 to 2018) MJ has the #49th and 47th ranked all-time worst FG% in Finals history yet he still won. Meaning he was the second and 4th worst all time, only second to Kobe for the #1 worst all time. Ready for more?

He also has the 45th of 50 ranked for rebounds :lol yet he still won
He also has the 47th of 50 ranked for assists :lol yet he still won

MJ did the worst of all-time performances and yet he still won I wonder why? Why? Teammates? Competition? You decide

Either he had amazing help or his competition was weak. Or...Both :eek:
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

https://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gifhttps://media.giphy.com/media/GV3aYiEP8qbao/giphy.gif
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Look up playoffs and advanced metrics because you seem to be confused. LeBron is better than Jordan at nearly every single statistic.

He also scored more points on less shots and has the all-time post season scoring record. Jordan never had a big elimination game in the finals either. It's just not close and I'm sorry.
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

What about these?

LeBron outperformed at every level

https://i.postimg.cc/2jK62pMb/MJ-vs-LJ-post.jpg

And had less help

https://i.postimg.cc/8C4kvxLC/pip-an-mj-post.jpg

Faced tougher competition

https://i.postimg.cc/YqTvqcxK/net-efficiency.png

And broke records

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

And is the obvious GOAT

https://i.postimg.cc/9XNrQrGn/screen-shot-2018-05-21-at-11-42-59-am.jpg

Your move
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

All of a sudden their v very quiet

https://i.postimg.cc/FRdFPKPZ/bron-celeb.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Manny98]

^ Reported for spam

[Paul George 24]

DRtg please?

LeBron 102
MJ 104

Bodied

Also...Sorry MJ left to play baseball and was 1-9 in the 1st round and then lost to Detroit 3 years in a row. Maybe if he didnt spend half his career in the 1st round or getting bodied he could have more totals. :confusedshrug:
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Confirmed

https://i.postimg.cc/nVwH1QcP/Route_19_toto.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

So LeBron and Pippen's DRtg were both better than MJ's? Got it.

Anything else?
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

No one did better by the age of 31 than LeBron so he's GOAT accept it Ordan stans

https://i.postimg.cc/c4HZ8H2m/RHFTMvu.jpg
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

LeBron wins in everything outside of team accomplishments

https://i.postimg.cc/wThPMdTV/5ae724dd19ee865a008b4698-750-940.png
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[SpaceJam2]

Bout a minute ago it was like an evening at Apollo up in this motherfu*er but I post facts and all of sudden it's quiet as a church

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1TGJ7LnIQCo

[Paul George 24]

Hold up MJ only had 2 playoff triple doubles in his career compared to LeBrons 18 :roll: :roll: :roll:
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

:eek: LBJ = GOAT :bowdown:
GOAT ???????:roll: :roll: :roll:
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

What is 1-9 Jordan and losing to Pistons 3 years in a row called?

Demaring :lol

Jordan was Demaring for half career, thats why he has less points / stats.than LBJ
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

He beat a 73 win team with 0 other all stars on his team by "Westbrooking"

Whilst Jordan got swept by the Celtics.
IRVING CARRY HIM TO BEAT 73WINS:lol

[Paul George 24]

Why are you running from all THIS?

2 ez
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

1-9
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[Paul George 24]

Dumb

He keeps running from this tho
FACTS
https://i.ibb.co/hHVSv0G/LECHOKE-LOL.jpg

[TheCorporation]

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg

[3ball]

https://i.postimg.cc/zGZCX733/leadscorers.jpg
Repost it all you want but nobody gave 2 bird shits when he passed Mike because everyone knows he scored far less per game and he's a longevity whore, just trying to move up the ranks by playing the most games, not dominating or winning

[TheCorporation]

Repost it all you want but nobody gave 2 bird shits when he passed Mike because everyone knows he scored far less per game and he's a longevity whore, just trying to move up the ranks by playing the most games, not dominating or winning

Um, no.

Ppg sounds good to you because it benefits Jordan, but let's not forget MJ had all the records until LeBron finally passed them...

6.9k (LBJ) vs 5.9k (MJ) points

When we talk about most touchdowns or home runs or goals scored do we do it on a per game basis? No, because that is silly. Why would you penalize a player for having a more dominant career over a longer period of time?

LeBron has more points because he made 9 Finals, not 6 like Jordan. If Jordan was able to get out of the 1st round for three years or not lose to the Pistons for another three years in a row maybe he would have more points? :confusedshrug:

[And1AllDay]

Imagine being 1000 points ahead of a guy with 10 scoring titles

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