MJ is GOAT

[3ball]

I dare anyone to offer reasons to the contrary

[FKAri]

1-9 =)

[bullettooth]

1-9 =)

3/9

8pts

Holder of the #1 and #2 greatest margin of loss in NBA finals history

Your balding idol is a glorified loser.

[TheCorporation]

1-9

Less points than Bron

Less rings than Russell

Cant shoot

Average defense

[GimmeThat]

And the United States have had communist like years of leadership while outside a time of war

incest like relationships are not considered as offer to the contrary

[TheCorporation]

Number of seasons where Mike made it out of 1st round w/o Scottie = 0


Number of seasons where Scottie made it out of 1st round w/o Mike = 2 (1994, 2000)


:eek:


Wow is this true? 3ball?

[Wally450]

OP is a troll who doesn't even watch basketball.

[TheCorporation]

OP is a troll who doesn't even watch basketball.

True.

One Last dagger for OP:

Jordan lost with an all star teammate (1990, 1995)

LeBron won without an all star (2016)

[Manny98]

10 reasons why he's not GOAT



1. Played in a weak era (expansion draft watered-down the talent in the league Bird said so himself)

2. Team only had a 2 win drop off without him proving his impact isn't GOAT

3. Poor 3 point shooter

4. Poor longevity

5. 1-9

6. Weakest finals competition of anyone in the top 10

7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals ( Zeke,Bird,Keem)

8. Missed the playoffs in his 14th and 15th seasons

9. He's not the GOAT of anything

GOAT scorer - KD
GOAT defender - Pippen
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - LeBron

10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1

https://i.postimg.cc/2jwbMZf8/John-Rogers.jpg

[3ball]

1-9 > missing playoffs

Less points than Bron just like Bird has less points than Reggie Miller

Less rings than Russell and Horry too - but only MJ has all-time levels of rings/stats/accolades

Cant shoot except anytime he tried (http://insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=466198)

Average defense except when magic, drexler, miller, starks, majerle, hawkins all shoot
40% against him

Fixed

[SpaceJam2]

10 reasons why he's not GOAT



1. Played in a weak era (expansion draft watered-down the talent in the league Bird said so himself)

2. Team only had a 2 win drop off without him proving his impact isn't GOAT

3. Poor 3 point shooter

4. Poor longevity

5. 1-9

6. Weakest finals competition of anyone in the top 10

7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals ( Zeke,Bird,Keem)

8. Missed the playoffs in his 14th and 15th seasons

9. He's not the GOAT of anything

GOAT scorer - KD
GOAT defender - Pippen
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - LeBron

10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1

https://i.postimg.cc/2jwbMZf8/John-Rogers.jpg

:eek:

No need for me to pile on.

Its over

[3ball]

The bulls won 55 in 1994 without him


The same roster that three-peated in 1993 only won 47 games in 1989, and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without MJ.. In other words, MJ started with a lottery cast of unproductive young players

1994 simply proved that the Bulls developed their system exceptionally well, so that it became a 6x unbeatable champion with MJ, and 2nd round without.

Btw, the Bulls' triangle needed scoring champion production from the #1 option to win a ring - it never won without it.. So only MJ would do because only MJ won a ring and the scoring title in the same year (6 times), along with Kareem/Shaq once each in their peak seasons of 71' and 00'.. These were the only skillsets goat enough to fit scoring champion amounts into a championship/winning framework





Pippen was the best 2nd option



Pippen was only good for 3 years alongside MJ - 1991-1993 - he sucked every other year and was bad in MOST big series:



1988 PLAYOFFS:. 10.0 on 46.5%
1989 PLAYOFFS:. 13.1 on 46.2% (9.7 on 40.4% in ecf)

1990 ECF. vs. DET:. 16.6 on 42.8% (2 pts, 1-10 in game 7)

1992 ECSF vs NYN:. 16.0 on 40.2%

1994 ECSF vs NYN:. 21.7 on 40.5% (worst-ever 1st option w/ goat choke)

1995 ECSF vs ORL:. 19.0 on 40.9%

1996 ECSF vs NYN:. 15.6 on 33.0%
1996 FINAL vs SEA:. 15.7 on 34.3%

1997 RD 1 vs WAS:. 16.7 on 38.3%
1997 ECF. vs. MIA:. 16.8 on 41.7%

1998 ECFS vsN IND:. 16.6 on 39.2%
1998 FINAL vs UTA:. 15.7 on 41.0%

Pippen's stats in 96-98 Playoffs - 17 on 40%


And despite his best years, the 91-93' Bulls still had weaker on-paper talent than their Finals opponents and numerous other opponents because they got murdered at the #3-12 spots

This is common knowledge

Furthermore, any player with 3+ rings had a better 2nd option for 3 Finals or more - i.e. lebron (11-13' and many would argue 16' as well)

But MJ won 3 rings without the best 2nd option from 96-98' - Pippen averaged 17 on 40.8% for the 96-98' playoffs, while old Rodman averaged 4/8 in the 97' playoffs and wasn't the starter in 98' playoffs.






MJ played weak teams and/or in a weak era


It's a common fact that parity (even playing field) makes it harder to win, not easier

The 90's jazz, sonics, lakers, rockets and suns were all Finals teams - they had to beat each other (fellow Finals teams) to make the Finals.. Otoh, today's conferences each have 1 super-team that has an auto-pass to the Finals (heat/spurs and cavs/warriors)

Whereas everything had to fall perfectly to make the Finals in the 90's West - 4-5 teams took turns having their monumental year and losing to MJ in the Finals.. but the peak of these teams was every bit as high as the spurs/warriors' peak - any of those teams could've beaten the Warriors/Spurs, just like Houston showed last year or the clippers showed this year





6/6 isn't a good argument


MJ is goat because only MJ has all-time levels of rings, stats, and accolades

So Finals record isn't even necessary

However, it's a true symbol of goatness because it's a result OF goatness.. only the goat can be 6/6.. 6/6 is a function of the unbeatable teams that resulted when MJ successfully fit GOAT scoring and clutch into an equal-opportunity system
.

[superduper]

10 reasons why he's not GOAT



1. Played in a weak conference (weakest conference the history of the game has ever seen). Proof:

http://i64.tinypic.com/wv7p02.jpg

2. LOTTERY TEAM only had a +2 in wins WITH LeGOAT from the previous season WITHOUT LeGOAT proving his impact isn't GOAT.

3. Garbage 3 point shooter

4. Padded longevity stats

5. Missed playoffs entirely first 2 seasons

6. Weakest first 3 rounds competition of anyone in the top 10

7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals (Duncan, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Terry, Diaw, Barea)

8. Missed the playoffs after he activated playoff mode

9. He's not the GOAT of anything

GOAT scorer - MJ
GOAT defender - Payton
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - MJ

10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg

:rockon: :rockon:

[k0kakw0rld]

Kareem is GOAT

- Most points scored in the entire league (record)
- 6 rings
- 2 fmvps
- 6 mvps (NBA record)
- ROY
- 11x all def team
- 19x all star
- Greatest college player ever

GREATEST BASKETBALL PLAYER EVER. :bowdown: :applause:
Sir Alcindor we are not worthy. :bowdown:

[3ball]

:rolleyes:

[SouBeachTalents]

1-9

[3ball]

1. Played in a weak conference (weakest conference the history of the game has ever seen). Proof:


http://i64.tinypic.com/wv7p02.jpg


2. LOTTERY TEAM only had a +2 in wins WITH LeGOAT from the previous season WITHOUT LeGOAT proving his impact isn't GOAT.

3. Garbage 3 point shooter

4. Padded longevity stats

5. Missed playoffs entirely first 2 seasons

6. Weakest first 3 rounds competition of anyone in the top 10

7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals (Duncan, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Terry, Diaw, Barea)

8. Missed the playoffs after he activated playoff mode

9. He's not the GOAT of anything

GOAT scorer - MJ
GOAT defender - Payton
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - MJ

10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg






Fixed.. :rockon:


https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-04-2019/k8EXF4.gif..

[bigkingsfan]

1-9
https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-04-2019/k8EXF4.gif

[3ball]

1-9
better than missing the playoffs like nearly all lottery picks in their first few seasons like durant, lebron, giannis, curry, kyrie, etc

So mj did better than all those bums

And once he was past the early losing stage he KEPT doing better than those bums

[diamenz]

mj is goat, but 3ball is trash.

[superduper]

https://i.makeagif.com/media/3-04-2019/k8EXF4.gif..

They gon' be avoiding it like the plague bruddah :rockon:

[paksat]

Average defense


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJik5Vq981Q

"4. Poor longevity"

I mean you can't even reply to dumb shit like this it's sooo stupid

the guy won his SIXTH championship at 76 years old

[superduper]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJik5Vq981Q

Bro if you need to link a video to somebody to prove that MJ was a top tier defender in the league you might as well save your time from the retardation that will ensue from these 2000s born snowflakes :oldlol:

[ImKobe]

I dare anyone to offer reasons to the contrary


1. Only played 15 seasons & barely played in his 2nd and 10th season (35 games combined)
2. Lost to the same Pistons team 3 years straight before beating them when they had their lowest RS win total since becoming contenders.
3. Only won 6 titles. Plenty of players have won more (Russell, Havlicek, Horry etc)
4. Quit on his team after 3 titles and they only lost 2 more games the following season and were a blown call from the ECF and potentially another championship (47-win Pacers team in the ECF).
5. Missed the Playoffs in his 14th & 15th season in the weak Eastern Conference (2 teams won 50+ games in 02, only one 50+ win team in 03, the 50-32 Pistons :lol )
6. Didn't win a championship until his 7th season at age 28. Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Magic, Russell all won their first at a younger age :confusedshrug:

[paksat]

Bro if you need to link a video to somebody to prove that MJ was a top tier defender in the league you might as well save your time from the retardation that will ensue from these 2000s born snowflakes :oldlol:

believe me, I know i'm never changing these kids minds

I just do it to annoy the fck out of them

because I know they can't sit there and watch that and even remotely believe in any realm or form that lbj is even close to that

[Kblaze8855]

If you don

[FKAri]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NJik5Vq981Q

"4. Poor longevity"

I mean you can't even reply to dumb shit like this it's sooo stupid

the guy won his SIXTH championship at 76 years old
MJ gets cucked by his own teammate 27s in :banana:

[superduper]

1. Played in a weak conference (weakest conference the history of the game has ever seen). Proof:


http://i64.tinypic.com/wv7p02.jpg


2. LOTTERY TEAM only had a +2 in wins WITH LeGOAT from the previous season WITHOUT LeGOAT proving his impact isn't GOAT.

3. Garbage 3 point shooter

4. Padded longevity stats

5. Missed playoffs entirely first 2 seasons

6. Weakest first 3 rounds competition of anyone in the top 10

7. Losing record to the majority of his rivals (Duncan, Kawhi, Durant, Curry, Terry, Diaw, Barea)

8. Missed the playoffs after he activated playoff mode

9. He's not the GOAT of anything

GOAT scorer - MJ
GOAT defender - Payton
GOAT passer - Magic
GOAT winner - Russell
GOAT all around - MJ

10. Losing to this guy in a 1 v 1

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CllRe7KWEAAihOU.jpg

https://media.giphy.com/media/6XW5bv7AgIVnG/giphy.gif

[TheCorporation]

1-9
Ayyyye

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abIileRivlGr8Nq/giphy.gif

[3ball]

1. Only played 15 seasons & barely played in his 2nd and 10th season (35 games combined)
2. Lost to the same Pistons team 3 years straight before beating them when they had their lowest RS win total since becoming contenders.
3. Only won 6 titles. Plenty of players have won more (Russell, Havlicek, Horry etc)
4. Quit on his team after 3 titles and they only lost 2 more games the following season and were a blown call from the ECF and potentially another championship (47-win Pacers team in the ECF).
5. Missed the Playoffs in his 14th & 15th season in the weak Eastern Conference (2 teams won 50+ games in 02, only one 50+ win team in 03, the 50-32 Pistons :lol )
6. Didn't win a championship until his 7th season at age 28. Kobe, Lebron, Bird, Magic, Russell all won their first at a younger age :confusedshrug:
The same roster that three-peated in 1993 only won 47 games in 1989, and would've missed the 45-win playoff cut without MJ.. So MJ started with a lottery cast of unproductive young players that developed great brand of ball to overcome their more talented opponents

Isiah/dumars/rodman were only 29/27/28 when MJ beat them in 1991 - that's 3 HOF's plus 2 perennial all-stars (laimbeer/aguirre) that MJ beat with only 1 HOF teammate (just pippen).. again, MJ started with a lottery cast of unproductive young players that developed great brand of ball to overcome their more talented opponents

So regardless of your critiques, MJ still won more than anyone since the 60's Celtics - and he did so ORGANICALLY with minimal help.. ultimately, he's the only guy with all-time levels of rings, stats, and accolades.... and clutch

[SpaceJam2]

Ayyyye

https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abIileRivlGr8Nq/giphy.gif

MJ when Pippen got him out of the 1st round


https://media.giphy.com/media/3o7abIileRivlGr8Nq/giphy.gif