The traitor has to go

[Patrick Chewing]

The Obama administration used a fake dossier, compiled by a former member of a foreign spy organization in order to get fisa warrants to spy on a presidential candidate's campaign. MSM: Nothing to see here. Move along.

Trump has a phone call with the Ukrainian president and asks him to look into some fishy stuff Joe Biden's son was involved in. MSM: OMG!! Lock Him Up!!!


Pretty much. When your party is protected by the Mainstream Media, you can pretty much get away with whatever you want and blame the other guy in the process.

[SomeBlackDude]

The Obama administration used a fake dossier

the pee tape is real, rufus. the dude maga sent to investigate the deep state conspiracy confirmed this. (https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/07/09/dojs-inspector-general-report-on-russia-delayed-as-steele-found-credible/)


compiled by a former member of a foreign spy organization in order to get fisa warrants to spy on a presidential candidate's campaign. MSM: Nothing to see here. Move along.

Trump has a phone call with the Ukrainian president and asks him to look into some fishy stuff Joe Biden's son was involved in. MSM: OMG!! Lock Him Up!!!

level 5 obama derangement syndrome here.

[rufuspaul]

the pee tape is real, rufus. the dude maga sent to investigate the deep state conspiracy confirmed this. (https://washingtonmonthly.com/2019/07/09/dojs-inspector-general-report-on-russia-delayed-as-steele-found-credible/)



level 5 obama derangement syndrome here.


Man you are more brainwashed than I thought. According to your link Steele himself may have been interviewed and in this alleged interview he said the dossier was credible. Well of course he said this. What else would you expect him to do?

And in the same article you linked: [Quote]There are clearly some things in Steele

[dude77]

trump is the goat troll .. mocking his haters as they feebly try to take him down and fail


https://i.ibb.co/x3Kr454/eeeee.png (https://imgbb.com/)


https://media0.giphy.com/media/5YF9dwGZ29rVe/source.gif

[MaxFly]

The Obama administration used a fake dossier, compiled by a former member of a foreign spy organization in order to get fisa warrants to spy on a presidential candidate's campaign. MSM: Nothing to see here. Move along.

Before I post or link to anything, let's just set this up properly so that you can't equivocate later: is what you posted above true, rufus? Do you believe what you posted above to be the unadulterated truth?

[SomeBlackDude]

Man you are more brainwashed than I thought. According to your link Steele himself may have been interviewed and in this alleged interview he said the dossier was credible. Well of course he said this. What else would you expect him to do?

And in the same article you linked:

:hammerhead:

^gaslight victim patient zero right here, folks.

horowitz turned in his report about the deep state conspiracy like 2 weeks ago (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/doj-inspector-general-michael-horowitz-completes-fisa-abuse-investigation).

maga hasn't said a peep about it.

now why do you think that is ruf.

why.

do.

you.

think.

that.
























































is?

:confusedshrug:

[rufuspaul]

^gaslight victim patient zero right here, folks.

horowitz turned in his report about the deep state conspiracy like 2 weeks ago (https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/doj-inspector-general-michael-horowitz-completes-fisa-abuse-investigation).

maga hasn't said a peep about it.

now why do you think that is ruf.

why.

do.

you.

think.

that.
























































is?

:confusedshrug:


You're certifiable. You can try and draw connecting lines all you want but in the end it's gonna be an unintelligible web of nothingness like the Mueller report. Good luck with that.

Also do you even read the articles that you link?



Collins said his committee "must act swiftly to address concerns outlined in the Inspector General’s report" and implored Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler to hold a hearing with Horowitz and FBI Director Christopher Wray. Nadler, confronted by GOP Rep. Jim Jordan earlier this week, said a hearing with Horowitz will happen at the "appropriate time."

Looks like Nadler is the one who's stalling. Why is that Don?


Why

is

that?

[MaxFly]

Can someone set me straight here ..

In the transcript, Trump asks Zelensky to find out if Biden's son stopped an important prosecution

I didn't know Biden's son was running for president and a political rival of Trump.. Since he apparently is, then it's a crime?

I think you're referring to these parts of the conversation.


Trump: Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved.

What really happened.


His appointment under President Petro Poroshenko disappointed reformers hopeful that the country would abandon a corrupt past in which prosecutors didn’t so much prosecute as gather evidence with which to extort their fellow citizens. “Shokin’s appointment was probably the earliest sign that Poroshenko was not interested in fundamental reform. He was interested in maintaining the old system,” said Edward Chow, a senior associate in the Energy and National Security Program at the Center for Strategic and International Studies (CSIS) “If anything, Biden was not tough enough on Poroshenko on firing Shokin.”


Trump: The other thing. There's a lot of talk about Biden's son, that Biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that so whatever you can do with the Attorney General would be great. Biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution so if you can look into it... It sounds horrible to me.

The "Biden" he is referring to as bragging is Joe Biden. Joe Biden didn't go around bragging about stopping the prosecution of anything. Rather, Biden went about bragging that he got the prosecutor ousted and replaced because the old prosecutor was sitting on several corruption cases and was actually not prosecuting them. The whole Obama administration, other countries and even officials in Ukraine wanted him out because they believed he was part of the corruption.

[rufuspaul]

The "Biden" he is referring to as bragging is Joe Biden. Joe Biden didn't go around bragging about stopping the prosecution of anything. Rather, Biden went about bragging that he got the prosecutor outed and replaced because the old prosecutor was sitting on several corruption cases and was actually not prosecuting them. The whole Obama administration, other countries and even officials in Ukraine wanted him out because they believed he was part of the corruption.


Sure. And the fact that Sleepy Joe's son was working for a company that the prosecutor was investigating is just a funny coincidence . Nothing to see here folks, move along.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Typical Republican response:
"Don't tell me about Trump's treason. I'm rich."

[bladefd]

oh boy.


"The United States has been very very good to Ukraine. I wouldn't say that it's reciprocal necessarily because things are happening that are not good but the United States has been very very good to Ukraine... I would like you to do us a favor."

quid pro maga?

:confusedshrug:

Wow. Definitely looks like quid pro quo in mafia language. Everyone with a brain should realize what Lil Donny is saying there..

[rufuspaul]

Wow. Definitely looks like quid pro quo in mafia language. Everyone with a brain should realize what Lil Donny is saying there..


Yeah, he's asking for a favor. That's not a crime.

[bladefd]

He asked a foreign government to start an investigation on a political adversary. Somehow, Barr claims he knew nothing about it and wasn't consulted or involved, yet Trump mentions him in the call as someone who knew about it all and was involved. Who is lying, and why. Well, the impeachment inquiry will get to the bottom of it all.

Incidentally, which crimes and misdemeanors did Biden perpetrate?

What Trumpeters do not seem to get is Trump is asking for a FOREIGN GOVERNMENT to INVESTIGATE HIS POLITICAL OPPONENT as the primary Debates are going on. FOREIGN GOVERNMENT. How is that okay in any way??

[Facepalm]

Wow. Definitely looks like quid pro quo in mafia language. Everyone with a brain should realize what Lil Donny is saying there..
President Zelenskyy: We are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps specifically we are almost ready to buy more Javelins from the United States for defense purposes.

The President: I would like you to do us a favor though because our country has been through a lot and Ukraine knows a lot about it.

[SomeBlackDude]

Wow. Definitely looks like quid pro quo in mafia language. Everyone with a brain should realize what Lil Donny is saying there..

just making sure there's no room for interpretation.

javelin missiles for crowdstrike/joe dirt.

https://i.postimg.cc/XvbPHkDL/image.png

quid pro maga.

and the incrimination of the ag as the cherry on top.

[bladefd]

Yeah, he's asking for a favor. That's not a crime.

Uhh, yes it is illegal to ask a foreign government to investigate your political opponent in return for military aid. He is indirectly saying "Do me this favor, get me this information on Biden family and I will get you your military aid."

[Patrick Chewing]

Uhh, yes it is illegal to ask a foreign government to investigate your political opponent in return for military aid. He is indirectly saying "Do me this favor, get me this information on Biden family and I will get you your military aid."


Literally none of this took place.

[Facepalm]

Yeah, he's asking for a favor. That's not a crime.
"Yo Honor, I never threatened him! I just said 'Nice place yas gots there, would be a shame if sumptin was to happen to it'"

[rufuspaul]

Uhh, yes it is illegal to ask a foreign government to investigate your political opponent in return for military aid. He is indirectly saying "Do me this favor, get me this information on Biden family and I will get you your military aid."


Objection Your Honor, conjecture.

Just because it's your subjective interpretation does not make it evidence.

[rufuspaul]

"Yo Honor, I never threatened him! I just said 'Nice place yas gots there, would be a shame if sumptin was to happen to it'"


So you're now saying Trump threatened to blow up Ukraine? :confusedshrug:

[Facepalm]

Objection Your Honor, conjecture.

Just because it's your subjective interpretation does not make it evidence.
Take a look at how prosecutors take down the mob. Do you really think they go around implicitly saying "go kill Fat Louie"? They talk in code. See how well the conjecture defense worked for them


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/28/how-trump-speaks-like-mob-boss/

[bladefd]

Trump looked broken in the speech just now, paranoid and losing his mind. I think Trump has lost it, rambling on and on off-script

[rufuspaul]

Take a look at how prosecutors take down the mob. Do you really think they go around implicitly saying "go kill Fat Louie"? They talk in code. See how well the conjecture defense worked for them


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2019/02/28/how-trump-speaks-like-mob-boss/


From the article (don't you guys read this stuff before linking it?)


[Quote]
Trump can certainly argue that he was not suggesting that he would free up the money for Ukraine in return for help on this call. He also complained about how Germany was not helping Ukraine, and pressed Ukraine

[rufuspaul]

Trump looked broken in the speech just now, paranoid and losing his mind. I think Trump has lost it, rambling on and on off-script


He's always done that. Where have you been the last 3 years?

[Facepalm]

From the article (don't you guys read this stuff before linking it?)





:facepalm


I did. Did you? Or did you just decide to highlight what fits your narrative?


Before the memorandum of the Ukraine phone call was released, President Trump said that he did not provide any explicit quid pro quo. In his own words, he said “I did not make a statement that, ‘You have to do this or I’m not going to give you A.’ I wouldn’t do that.” The record that has been released suggests that this is true. Trump did not offer an explicit quid pro quo. However, he did say that the US had been “very very good” to Ukraine, but that Ukraine was not necessarily reciprocating, and later asked the Ukrainian president to talk to his personal lawyer Giuliani or Attorney General Barr about “look[ing] into” Joe Biden. This might - conceivably - be innocent. However, we already know from Trump’s former lawyer that he doesn’t like to make direct demands, when they could get him in trouble. Instead, he prefers to communicate indirectly.


As my research describes, this is the way that mafia bosses like to talk. They don’t want to say things directly when those things could be used against them, either by eavesdropping law enforcement agencies, or by other criminals. When both parties to the conversation know that Trump is withholding funding for Ukraine, a threat doesn’t have to be made directly. Instead, the subtext: “it’s a very, very good relationship with Ukraine: it would be a terrible shame if something happened to it" can be readily understood by both parties.


Trump’s former lawyer, Michael Cohen has said President Trump “doesn’t give orders. He speaks in code. And I understand that code.” That’s the way that mafiosi speak to each other, in order to avoid trouble.


Trump and his officials use different kinds of ambiguity to similar effect. When Trump reportedly told officials that he would pardon them if they broke the law in order to get his border wall completed, a senior official insisted that he was “only joking.” Perhaps so: but jokes may very usefully provide plausible deniability in indicating to officials what the president believes they should do.

By the way, re-read the last sentence of your own quote


Certainly, people who want to believe him can believe him.

:oldlol:

[bladefd]

He's always done that. Where have you been the last 3 years?

Usually he has energy and talking loudly. He didn't have that today in the speech just now. He is wore out from not sleeping or yelling at the ghost or whatever it is that he does when stressed out

[dude77]

trump is fine .. you want him to be amped up every single time he's doing some bs presser .. it's understandable if he's a bit tired from all this shit

[bladefd]

Ukraine prime minister looked so awkward answering questions next to Trump today :oldlol:

[Facepalm]

Ukraine prime minister looked so awkward answering questions next to Trump today :oldlol:
He wants nothing to do with this drama lol

[andgar923]

Yoooooo!!!!

Trump gives NO f*cks, he just threw Pence under the bus to threaten the GOP.

:lol

I told ya'll he gives no f9cks about anyone, he threw Rudy under the bus, Barr, he's gonna go down the line. He is shameless and is giving us a taste of how he is willing to sell out the country.

Some have theorized that he will not go out without a fight and all hell will break loose. If he's found guilty he will make sure to burn the country down, mark my words and bookmark this post.

He is dangerous and will burn down the country.

[MaxFly]

Sure.

So I'm going to quote from the Mueller report.


In late July 2016, soon after WikiLeaks's first release of stolen documents, a foreign government [Australia] contacted the FBI about a May 2016 encounter with Trump Campaign foreign policy advisor George Papadopoulos. Papadopoulos had suggested to a representative of that foreign government that the Trump Campaign had received indications from the Russian government that it could assist the Campaign through the anonymous release of information damaging to Democratic presidential candidate Hillary Clinton. That information prompted the FBI on July 31, 2016, to open an investigation into whether individuals associated with the Trump Campaign were coordinating with the Russian government in its interference activities.


And the fact that Sleepy Joe's son was working for a company that the prosecutor was investigating is just a funny coincidence . Nothing to see here folks, move along.

Are you aware that the investigation into the company by the prosecutor Biden had ousted began and ended before Hunter Biden took a seat on the board? Are you also aware that other countries and many Ukrainian officials also wanted that prosecutor gone because they considered him part of Ukraine's corrupt past and knew that he was sitting on investigations? All these little tidbits and bits of context are trickling out. I hope they keep going hard at the Bidens. Trump and Giuliani are going to end up looking like even worse fools than they already do.

[MaxFly]

Trump looked broken in the speech just now, paranoid and losing his mind. I think Trump has lost it, rambling on and on off-script

That's... that's not new. :confusedshrug:

[MaxFly]

Yoooooo!!!!

Trump gives NO f*cks, he just threw Pence under the bus to threaten the GOP.


I missed it. What happened?

[RRR3]

Yoooooo!!!!

Trump gives NO f*cks, he just threw Pence under the bus to threaten the GOP.

:lol

I told ya'll he gives no f9cks about anyone, he threw Rudy under the bus, Barr, he's gonna go down the line. He is shameless and is giving us a taste of how he is willing to sell out the country.

Some have theorized that he will not go out without a fight and all hell will break loose. If he's found guilty he will make sure to burn the country down, mark my words and bookmark this post.

He is dangerous and will burn down the country.
My mom has always theorized this as well. And I agree, Trump doesn’t have a loyal bone in his body. He’s clearly a narcissist, and will do anything to save his own skin.

[Facepalm]

[QUOTE=RRR3]My mom has always theorized this as well. And I agree, Trump doesn

[andgar923]

I missed it. What happened?
https://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1176972433586315264?s=20


"I think you should ask for VP Pence's conversation, b/c he had a couple of conversations also. I could save you a lot of time -- they're all perfect."

This is basically some mobster saying "how's your lovely wife? I saw her the other day, very beautiful lady."

He's been around mobsters and he knows how they operate.

[MaxFly]

In his call with the Ukrainian President, Trump said:


Good because I heard you had a prosecutor who was very good and he was shut down and that's really unfair. A lot of people are talking about that, the way they shut your very good prosecutor down and you had some very bad people involved.

This is the very good prosecutor he was praising... and the prosecutor some of you have taken up for in trying to frame Biden as corrupt for carrying out the administration's push to have him replaced. Keep riding for this guy... I have even worse articles about him.


Criticism fierce as anti-corruption prosecutor Kasko resigns, citing obstruction by Shokin (https://www.kyivpost.com/article/content/kyiv-post-plus/criticism-fierce-as-anti-corruption-prosecutor-kasko-resigns-citing-obstruction-by-shokin-408136.html?cn-reloaded=1)

In this farewell press conference, Kasko cited corruption and sabotage by General Prosecutor Viktor Shokin in combatting corruption and instituting the rule of law.

“The same political interference, direct and total pressure on investigators and prosecutors, intentional professional degradation, inaction and impunity hide behind the screen of an allegedly reformed body,” Kasko said. “The Prosecutor General’s Office is currently a dead body, and no one believes in its independence and efficiency anymore.”

---

The developments come as Shokin, despite working for a year in one of the most corrupt and lawbreaking nations in Europe, has failed to submit a single high-profile criminal case to court.

Kasko said he resigned after Shokin deprived him of much of his authority. He said that Shokin had turned his office into a completely corrupt institution, with all attempts to change the system being derailed.

“The current leadership of the prosecutor’s office has once and for all turned it into a body where corruption dominates, and corrupt schemes are covered up,” he said in his letter of resignation. “…Ukrainians expected this law enforcement agency to prosecute the Yanukovych regime’s corruption and other crimes following the (2013-2014) Revolution of Dignity but it has turned into a tool of political intimidation and profiteering once and for all.”