The nba and people in general are overrating to coronavirus.

[brownmamba00]

When I said those countries collapsed; I meant the healthcare system collapsing meaning not enough personel and overrun hospitals which leads to other patients with terminal diseases dying out of neglect. Also incompetent interims getting rushed in to service which is a big issue aswell in treating patients whether they are infected with the virus or not.

I mean people are gonna eat and drink regardless of what happens on the outside. Just look at the Chinese during the great famine. They ate whatever they could get their hands on bugs birds mice snakes bats etc. People will adjust and do whatever to survive. That's not the point. The economy will recupirate eventually.



But our government should be the one that prevents all of this. We all pay tax right? So our leaders can protect us and lead us to a path of stability. If they can't keep people safe and instead use this disaster in to a oppurtunity to get richer...what are they doing really? You saw those senators buying stocks en masse?

They leech of off us and act like it's gonna end soon. Trump even tried to monopolize a possible vaccine...just to make money. This virus is nothing right now but if it mutates and gets stronger in the future; it's safe to say our governments have failed.

Tl dr...we're getting ripped off by a bunch of guys in suits:confusedshrug:

[bigkingsfan]

Actually, I may have to amend to under 300. At the time I posted that, the number was 151. I was still working with numbers of around 100.

Not even three days later, we're well over 300.

[MaxFly]

The way this whole covid issue has been framed is completely backward.

One of the sad facts of life is that people die every day, for all kinds of reasons. If you're lucky, you will live long enough to become old, and for old people the top 5 causes of death are - Heart Disease, Cancer, Stroke, Respiratory disease, Influenza. There are lots of things we could do to reduce deaths by these causes - We know that sugar intake is related to heart disease, banning sugar would "save lives". We know that people who live downwind of an oil refinery have increased cancer rates, shutting down all refineries would "save lives". We know that cigarettes cause respiratory disease, banning cigarettes would "save lives". We know that influenza is highly contagious, sheltering-in-place during flu season every year would "save lives". The reason we dont resort to these draconian measures that would "SAVE LIVES", is because until a few weeks ago we understood that all of senior citizens whose lives would "saved" by banning sugar would just die to something else like Alzheimers, and we decided that having sugar and refineries and cigarettes and a functional economy is more important than maybe extending the lives of some old people. In reality, banning sugar wouldnt "save lives", it would prolong lives... and thats how we should be looking at covid.

They say that tons of people in Italy are being killed because of covid... but when you look at the numbers, the average age for those dead is ~80 (the life expectancy for Italy is 82 for comparison), and 99% of those who died had at least 1 pre-existing illness (50% of the dead had 3 or more illnesses). When an 80 year old life-long smoker with heart disease and emphysema gets killed by covid, are they really being killed by covid? or are they being killed because a lifetime of poor decision making has finally caught up to them in their old age? There are over 30 known strains of coronavirus (we discover new ones each year), how many of the old and sick Italians that die because of covid would have died from a different strain of corona next week? When you catch the common cold one of those corona strains is responsible about 25% of the time... thats what coronavirus is, its a cold.

Does it really make sense to destroy our economy and hide indoors for weeks or months just so that we can prolong the lives of some people that are so old and sick that they die from catching a cold?

It seems this thought process would lead to minimal medical attention for elders or those with medical conditions who contract COVID-19.

[MaxFly]

Not even three days later, we're well over 300.

Common cold though. :facepalm

[Bronbron23]

I'm just going to quote you again.



You have said "coronavirus has a similar death rate as the influenza." If the death rate of COVID-19 is similar to the flu (which means that a similar percentage of people die in relation to the number of people who contract the virus), but businesses stay open, large gatherings continue and more people catch COVID-19 because of a lack immunization, what do you think will happen?



It sounds like you're trying to walk back things you have said previously, but the stark nature of what you said is making that task difficult.

If states did not limit gatherings, resulting in the closing of businesses, houses of worship and other venues where large numbers of people came together, wouldn't more people die from COVID-19? Do you honestly think people would have stayed home and "waited the virus out" had states not declared emergencies and banned gatherings?

Resources and hospital space in the United States have not been used up by young people unnecessarily. I'm not sure where that narrative began, but the reason most young, healthy people are looking to get tested is that they want to make sure they don't unknowingly infect others who may not be as young or healthy as they are... which is the responsible thing to do. We have had so few test kits available in the US that health professionals have made sure that most of those who are tested are actually displaying symptoms of COVID-19 or have come into contact with someone who may have COVID-19.

Im not walking back anything im just clarifying. No i dont think we should shut the world down because of the obvious economic ramifications but if it saves lives im not really gonna argue against it.

And yeah all the state of emergencies and shut downs obviously help. If they didnt do it the deaths and infected would be much higher. Would it be higher than the flu though? Not sure it would. It would probably be on par with the flu just as ive been saying. If you took the same steps to limit the flu the same thing would happen. That said have 2 flus basically isnt good at all so trying to stop one of them is understandable but it dosnt make it worse than the flu. Its just a equally dangerous addition to it.

And your last point is probably the the worst one. Its really no fault of yours though. If the young get it they absolutely should not be going in to get tested. All that does is put a bunch of people together who may or may not have the virus. Have you seen some of these testing lines? Theres hundreds of people waiting for hours right next to one another. You could not have the virus go get checked and get cleared and then actually catch the virus while your there and then go home thinking yiur fine when your not. Its doing exactly what they so they dont want. Putting huge numbers of people together. Its actually worse because its putting huge numbers of people together with a high infected rate. Young people with symptoms should just assume they have it and stay home for 2 weeks.

Thats all they needed to do from the get go. Tell old people and young people who live with old people ro stay in. Tell anyone with symptoms to stay in and everyone else can go aboult there buisness. The total shut down wasn't necessary.

[Bronbron23]

When people say death rates for COVID-19 are a lot less because a lot of people are not diagnosed, I don't get what's the point because the same can be said for the flu, right? I mean, there are a lot of people walking around with the flu who never get tested or go to the doctors. So this statement isn't really that useful because it's basically a wash in comparison. Did I miss anything?

Yes the problem with that is how they're calculated. We know enough about the flu to make fairly accurate estimates. When they say 35,000,000 people are infected with the flu this flu sesson that isnt confirmed flu cases. Its estimates based on the confirmed flu cases. So no the flu death rate would not be even lower. If thwy just used the flu confirmed cases the flu death rate would be way higher.

[Bronbron23]

Can you guys stop playing the numbers game these are not bball players. Comparing the seasonal flu with a pandemic that causes pneumonia is really short-sighted and just screams ignorance.

Are you people that lonely tho? No family no kids no friends...as long as you get to live your shitty day-to-day lives it's all cool, huh?

The seasonal is a common cause of pneumonia dude. So its actually i decent comparison

[Bronbron23]

Common cold though. :facepalm

Meanwhile the "common cold" killed doubled that. You guys are so ignorant

[Nanners]

It seems this thought process would lead to minimal medical attention for elders or those with medical conditions who contract COVID-19.

On the contrary, this thought process leads to focusing medical attention on people who are actually at risk.

I have been immune suppressed before, and throughout that experience my doctor was constantly telling me about how I had to be careful because any cold or flu that would normally be no big deal could be lethal for me with no immune system. when you are immune suppressed, you are told to isolate yourself and your daily life is full things like hand sanitizer and face masks... and thanks to the hysteria the at risk people no longer have reliable access to things like hand sanitizer and face masks.

We should obviously be taking realistic precautions to protect the people who are at special risk (like we normally do), but putting the entire population under a mandatory quarantine and destroying the economy is beyond absurd.

[JohnFreeman]

Chinese flu reaping havoc

[FKAri]

Didn't someone predict last week that we'd be under 200 deaths in the USA by today?

EDIT: PatrickChewing's "bet"

[diamenz]

Didn't someone predict last week that we'd be under 200 deaths in the USA by today?

EDIT: PatrickChewing's "bet"

i honestly wonder if he's all good right now. he does live in nyc, afterall.

[diamenz]

Chinese flu reaping havoc

https://static01.nyt.com/images/2020/03/07/world/xxepidemics-photo6/merlin_170141892_f01463cb-ed57-49e2-9170-ced576146da4-jumbo.jpg

^actual billboard from 1968.

[Bronbron23]

Didn't someone predict last week that we'd be under 200 deaths in the USA by today?

EDIT: PatrickChewing's "bet"
Yeah i told him not to. That was an easy bet. That said i still dont know why people say this is worse than the flu. Everyone points to Italy's 6000 plus deaths when the flu kills 3 to 4 times more than that in italy almost every year. Even in children under 5 the death rate was more than 1%. I highly dought the coronavirus death toll goes past that. Like most virus they'll be a peak,leveling off and then decline in a relatively short amount of time. Heres an article for yall on Italy's flu impact just to put everything in perspective. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

[Loco 50]

Yeah i told him not to. That was an easy bet. That said i still dont know why people say this is worse than the flu. Everyone points to Italy's 6000 plus deaths when the flu kills 3 to 4 times more than that in italy almost every year. Even in children under 5 the death rate was more than 1%. I highly dought the coronavirus death toll goes past that. Like most virus they'll be a peak,leveling off and then decline in a relatively short amount of time. Heres an article for yall on Italy's flu impact just to put everything in perspective. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

[bladefd]

Yeah i told him not to. That was an easy bet. That said i still dont know why people say this is worse than the flu. Everyone points to Italy's 6000 plus deaths when the flu kills 3 to 4 times more than that in italy almost every year. Even in children under 5 the death rate was more than 1%. I highly dought the coronavirus death toll goes past that. Like most virus they'll be a peak,leveling off and then decline in a relatively short amount of time. Heres an article for yall on Italy's flu impact just to put everything in perspective. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285

Again, flu does not usually swamp hospitals and you also don't need a ventilator to breathe when you get the flu. There are not enough ventilators if a few million got sick at once. If a million people ended up in the hospital across the country, there won't be enough ventilators to save them all. There are not even 150,000 ventilators across the USA, let alone 1 million ventilators.

Finally, flu vaccine exists and antivirals to treat it so doctors do have options. If coronavirus swamps our system, there is nothing we can do. We can try chloroquine but that's about it. Chloroquine is not currently first treatment option due to ongoing trials to see how well it works, but hopefully it will be a successful trial & it could become first treatment

[LAmbruh]

Didn't someone predict last week that we'd be under 200 deaths in the USA by today?

EDIT: PatrickChewing's "bet"

:oldlol: Just a cough bro


124+ deaths in the US just yesterday alone, 10-15k new cases every 24hrs

[diamenz]

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

holy f*** that was a scary read.

[bladefd]

Saw this on reddit..

US Pop.=330M

Yearly FLU deaths: 0.01%
0.0001×330M =33,000 FLU DEATHS

COVID19:
Death rate=2-3%
60% infection rate

330M×0.6= 198 Million INFECTIONS
198M×0.02= 3.96 Million DEATHS to
198M×0.03= 5.94 Million DEATHS

[MaxFly]

Im not walking back anything im just clarifying. No i dont think we should shut the world down because of the obvious economic ramifications but if it saves lives im not really gonna argue against it.

And yeah all the state of emergencies and shut downs obviously help. If they didnt do it the deaths and infected would be much higher. Would it be higher than the flu though? Not sure it would. It would probably be on par with the flu just as ive been saying.

Let's take a step back. What do you mean by "shut the world down?" Which industries were unnecessarily shut down? Which businesses were closed that, in your opinion, should have remained open and operating as normal?

You say again, "I don't think we should shut down the world," but you quickly follow up with "yeah all the state of emergencies and shut downs obviously help. If they didnt do it the deaths and infected would be much higher." Are you saying that if you were in power, you wouldn't mandate shutdowns and would accept the much higher deaths you predict would result... even though you don't know how much higher that death count would be?

As for your persistent comparisons to the flu, hospitals in New York now anticipate that they will exceed capacity as they care for coronavirus patients who require hospitalization and care. The Army Corps of Engineers is building 4 makeshift hospitals to meet the demand. When was the last time that happened this quickly with the seasonal flu? When was the last time what we saw in China, Spain and Italy took place with the seasonal flu?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cy-zZn5ZC5o


Putting huge numbers of people together. Its actually worse because its putting huge numbers of people together with a high infected rate. Young people with symptoms should just assume they have it and stay home for 2 weeks.

Thats all they needed to do from the get go. Tell old people and young people who live with old people ro stay in. Tell anyone with symptoms to stay in and everyone else can go aboult there buisness. The total shut down wasn't necessary.

Most testing facilities are requiring people to answer a series of questions about their symptoms and contact with possibly infected people before they are scheduled and cleared to come in for a test... precisely to avoid what you have outlined above and because there is a shortage of testing kits. Hospitals have taken great pains to stress that people call before they come in to be tested, and if they do come in, that they need to be displaying advanced symptoms in order to get a test.

People who are asymptomatic can spread the virus. That means that someone who displays no symptoms and who could have otherwise worked from home can head into their office, interact with their co-workers, who could be working from home themselves, and spread it. Older co-workers and co-workers with health issues, or who are taking immunosuppressants could end up extremely sick after contracting the virus from someone who displayed no symptoms.

Your answer to this is to tell everyone over 60, and everyone with a health issue, to stay home while everyone else can go about their business? Almost anyone should be able to see the problem with that, but I'm concerned that you can't seem to see the gaping problem with that solution for yourself.

[MaxFly]

Meanwhile the "common cold" killed doubled that. You guys are so ignorant

Over the course of a full year... with no real precautions taken by practically anyone.

You've called us ignorant. Do you believe the death rate for the "common cold" is worse or equal to that of COVID-19?

[MaxFly]

On the contrary, this thought process leads to focusing medical attention on people who are actually at risk.

I have been immune suppressed before, and throughout that experience my doctor was constantly telling me about how I had to be careful because any cold or flu that would normally be no big deal could be lethal for me with no immune system. when you are immune suppressed, you are told to isolate yourself and your daily life is full things like hand sanitizer and face masks... and thanks to the hysteria the at risk people no longer have reliable access to things like hand sanitizer and face masks.

We should obviously be taking realistic precautions to protect the people who are at special risk (like we normally do), but putting the entire population under a mandatory quarantine and destroying the economy is beyond absurd.

People over 60 and practically anyone with underlying health issues are at special risk - a huge segment of the United States - though young people who are completely healthy are also finding themselves in ICUs now. Without special measures, our hospitals will be overwhelmed and many people will die unnecessarily. We're already fast approaching that reality.

This isn't the "common cold."

[MaxFly]

https://www.propublica.org/article/a-medical-worker-describes--terrifying-lung-failure-from-covid19-even-in-his-young-patients

Wow...


I spoke to a respiratory therapist there, whose job is to ensure that patients are breathing well. He works in a medium-sized city hospital’s intensive care unit. (We are withholding his name and employer, as he fears retaliation.) Before the virus came to New Orleans, his days were pretty relaxed, nebulizing patients with asthma, adjusting oxygen tubes that run through the nose or, in the most severe cases, setting up and managing ventilators. His patients were usually older, with chronic health conditions and bad lungs.

Since last week, he’s been running ventilators for the sickest COVID-19 patients. Many are relatively young, in their 40s and 50s, and have minimal, if any, preexisting conditions in their charts. He is overwhelmed, stunned by the manifestation of the infection, both its speed and intensity. The ICU where he works has essentially become a coronavirus unit. He estimates that his hospital has admitted dozens of confirmed or presumptive coronavirus patients. About a third have ended up on ventilators.


“Reading about it in the news, I knew it was going to be bad, but we deal with the flu every year so I was thinking: Well, it’s probably not that much worse than the flu. But seeing patients with COVID-19 completely changed my perspective, and it’s a lot more frightening.”


“Before this, we were all joking. It’s grim humor. If you are exposed to the virus and test positive and go on quarantine, you get paid. We were all joking: I want to get the coronavirus because then I get a paid vacation from work. And once I saw these patients with it, I was like, Holy shit, I do not want to catch this and I don’t want anyone I know to catch this.

“I worked a long stretch of days last week, and I watched it go from this novelty to a serious issue. We had one or two patients at our hospital, and then five to 10 patients, and then 20 patients. Every day, the intensity kept ratcheting up. More patients, and the patients themselves are starting to get sicker and sicker. When it first started, we all had tons of equipment, tons of supplies, and as we started getting more patients, we started to run out. They had to ration supplies.


“I work 12-hour shifts. Right now, we are running about four times the number of ventilators than we normally have going. We have such a large volume of patients, but it’s really hard to find enough people to fill all the shifts. The caregiver-to-patient ratio has gone down, and you can’t spend as much time with each patient, you can’t adjust the vent settings as aggressively because you’re not going into the room as often. And we’re also trying to avoid going into the room as much as possible to reduce infection risk of staff and to conserve personal protective equipment.”

[Nanners]

On the average day, ~7500 people die in america, about 2/3 of them senior citizens. The 5 most common causes of death for seniors are heart disease, cancer, stroke, chronic respiratory disease, and pneumonia. If you tested every one of the ~5500 seniors who die on the average day for the 30 strains of coronavirus (aka common cold), a large number would test positive for at least one strain of the virus (some of them would be carrying more than one strain). A large number of these seniors would also test positive for at least one strain of flu. Typically, when we define a persons cause of death, what we do is look at the sum of a persons life - if you smoked cigarettes for 50 years, got lung cancer, received chemo and a major surgery, and then ultimately died of a staph infection... your cause of death would be listed as cancer brought on by a lifetime of smoking, it would not be attributed to the staph infection that ultimately ended things. 98% of covid victims have at least one pre-existing illness and 50% of victims have 3 or more pre-existing illnesses.

What is happening right now with covid is that we are testing almost all of the ~7500 americans who die every day to see if they have one specific strain of the common cold, and if they test positive we are attributing their death to the virus. Covid was first dected in the US on January 20th, and as of today we have about 730 americans who were "killed" by covid (except the majority of these people were not actually killed by covid, it was simply a contributing factor in their death). Consider that even if you want to use this laughably inflated and flawed way of counting deaths, the total number of dead americans who tested positive for covid is only 1/10th of an average daily death toll in this country... in the 66 days since covid was first detected in the US, ~500,000 americans (mostly seniors) have died for other reasons.

Ultimately covid is just a strain of the common cold that happens to be backed by a very slick marketing campaign.

[bladefd]

On the average day, ~7500 people die in america, about 2/3 of them senior citizens. The 5 most common causes of death for seniors are heart disease, cancer, stroke, chronic respiratory disease, and pneumonia. If you tested every one of the ~5500 seniors who die on the average day for the 30 strains of coronavirus (aka common cold), a large number would test positive for at least one strain of the virus (some of them would be carrying more than one strain). A large number of these seniors would also test positive for at least one strain of flu. Typically, when we define a persons cause of death, what we do is look at the sum of a persons life - if you smoked cigarettes for 50 years, got lung cancer, received chemo and a major surgery, and then ultimately died of a staph infection... your cause of death would be listed as cancer brought on by a lifetime of smoking, it would not be attributed to the staph infection that ultimately ended things. 98% of covid victims have at least one pre-existing illness and 50% of victims have 3 or more pre-existing illnesses.

What is happening right now with covid is that we are testing almost all of the ~7500 americans who die every day to see if they have one specific strain of the common cold, and if they test positive we are attributing their death to the virus. Covid was first dected in the US on January 20th, and as of today we have about 730 americans who were "killed" by covid (except the majority of these people were not actually killed by covid, it was simply a contributing factor in their death). Consider that even if you want to use this laughably inflated and flawed way of counting deaths, the total number of dead americans who tested positive for covid is only 1/10th of an average daily death toll in this country... in the 66 days since covid was first detected in the US, ~500,000 americans (mostly seniors) have died for other reasons.

Ultimately covid is just a strain of the common cold that happens to be backed by a very slick marketing campaign.

You have no idea what you are talking about at least in your first paragraph.

Here's the main difference.. The older people with COVID-19 ending up in hospital usually have to go straight to the ventilator because they can't breathe. Not just older people but quite a few younger people too. The flu or cold doesn't send people directly to the ventilator. Even pneumonia doesn't usually require ventilator - they often use pure oxygen but you don't always need a ventilator for pneumonia unless if it is a severe case where your lungs pretty much collapse. With Covid-19, there is a huge need for ventilators because most patients who end up in hospital for it pretty much require a ventilator.

As for your 2nd paragraph, okay there is certainly some overreaction here, but it is somewhat warranted. People need to stay indoors or we will completely bring our healthcare system to its knees if we overwhelm it enough. Doctors need time to flatten the curve so we don't overwhelm the system to the point that doctors have to decide who they will give a ventilator and who they allow to die. We don't have a million ventilators for every single person if the curve is not flattened. Even if we went crazy making new ventilators, there is no way we can build enough for a million people or more within a week. It would cost multiple billion dollars, use lots of resources and take time to build+test

[Nanners]

You have no idea what you are talking about at least in your first paragraph.

Here's the main difference.. The older people with COVID-19 ending up in hospital usually have to go straight to the ventilator because they can't breathe. Not just older people but quite a few younger people too. The flu or cold doesn't send people directly to the ventilator. Even pneumonia doesn't usually require ventilator - they often use pure oxygen but you don't always need a ventilator for pneumonia unless if it is a severe case where your lungs pretty much collapse. With Covid-19, there is a huge need for ventilators because most patients who end up in hospital for it pretty much require a ventilator.

As for your 2nd paragraph, okay there is certainly some overreaction here, but it is somewhat warranted. People need to stay indoors or we will completely bring our healthcare system to its knees if we overwhelm it enough. Doctors need time to flatten the curve so we don't overwhelm the system to the point that doctors have to decide who they will give a ventilator and who they allow to die. We don't have a million ventilators for every single person if the curve is not flattened. Even if we went crazy making new ventilators, there is no way we can build enough for a million people or more within a week. It would cost multiple billion dollars, use lots of resources and take time to build+test

This post is a perfect example of what I am talking about when I said this is a marketing campaign.

'Corona has been active for 66 days and "killed" (except not really) a total of 730 citizens in a country where 7,500 die every day... but unless we all hide indoors and "flatten the curve" we will need a million ventilators by next week!'

How exactly do you claim to know how many ventilators we will need? Because you listened to some "expert" in a lab coat on TV? I remember a time in the not-so-distant past when the TV had wall-to-wall coverage for months on end of supposed "expert" government officials telling everyone about the terror alert levels, and how we all need to "support the troops" or the terrorists would win. I also remember how people who dared to question the mainstream narratives would be attacked by establishment shills who could see what was really going on, and sheeple like you who were blind to the truth but obediently regurgitated whatever narrative they were fed without a moment of critical thinking.

Anyway, I am glad you mentioned "Flatten the curve". Its interesting that if you look up "flatten the curve" and "social distancing" in google trends, these ubiquitous slogans were basically non-existent until 1 month ago. One would think that these two golden rules of surviving a pandemic would have been mentioned at some point prior march of 2020, its not like this is the first time humanity has faced a pandemic.

[Lebron23]

The OP probably believe that Jordan played while having a flu. Jordan had a hangover.

[Axe]

The OP probably believe that Jordan played while having a flu. Jordan had a hangover.
Well, the both of you have similar usernames.

[MrFonzworth]

Well, the both of you have similar usernames.

632 consecutive useless posts. Will this streak continue?

[Axe]

632 consecutive useless posts. Will this streak continue?
This autist is still crying? 🤔

[Norcaliblunt]

Shout out to Nanners for reminding us about those “terror alert levels”. I had totally forgot about that non sense. Lol.

What’s weird is if you don’t watch the news it’s like none of this is even going on. Seriously turn off the news and find out how peaceful life can be.

[Nanners]

shout out to nanners for reminding us about those “terror alert levels”. I had totally forgot about that non sense. Lol.

What’s weird is if you don’t watch the news it’s like none of this is even going on. Seriously turn off the news and find out how peaceful life can be.

the terror alert level has just been raised from dark orange to dark red, cower-in place

[Norcaliblunt]

the terror alert level has just been raised from dark orange to dark red, cower-in place

It’s like wtf were the different colors even supposed to mean? Lol. Complete bullshit. And how soon people forget. I did.

[bladefd]

This post is a perfect example of what I am talking about when I said this is a marketing campaign.

'Corona has been active for 66 days and "killed" (except not really) a total of 730 citizens in a country where 7,500 die every day... but unless we all hide indoors and "flatten the curve" we will need a million ventilators by next week!'

How exactly do you claim to know how many ventilators we will need? Because you listened to some "expert" in a lab coat on TV? I remember a time in the not-so-distant past when the TV had wall-to-wall coverage for months on end of supposed "expert" government officials telling everyone about the terror alert levels, and how we all need to "support the troops" or the terrorists would win. I also remember how people who dared to question the mainstream narratives would be attacked by establishment shills who could see what was really going on, and sheeple like you who were blind to the truth but obediently regurgitated whatever narrative they were fed without a moment of critical thinking.

Anyway, I am glad you mentioned "Flatten the curve". Its interesting that if you look up "flatten the curve" and "social distancing" in google trends, these ubiquitous slogans were basically non-existent until 1 month ago. One would think that these two golden rules of surviving a pandemic would have been mentioned at some point prior march of 2020, its not like this is the first time humanity has faced a pandemic.

It's simple numbers. If you overwhelmed the healthcare system and numbers still kept rising with everyone out there running around across the USA. It's not just about deaths but about how many people end up in serious condition requiring a ventilator. And it's much higher percentage than flu patients who REQUIRE a ventilator. Pure oxygen won't do - you need both oxygen AND ventilator just to breathe.

Physical distancing is how you keep highly contagious but non-airborne viruses from infecting you (coronavirusus may be somewhat airborne for short distances). These are not new concepts or new ideas conjured up a couple months ago. Flatten the curve concept is decades old going back to even before the HIV epidemic. Get your head out of your ass.

[Cleverness]

We are overrating the Coronavirus

We are underrating the massive multi-trillion dollar bailout package to the corporate lobbyists in Washington DC


Meanwhile, the corporate media obsesses over Trump and racism :facepalm




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VXPjNLIJ3W4


A panel of 5 friends of Washington DC will make sure that the multi-trillion dollar bailout package will be put to good use:roll:

Federal gov't, so efficient, so effective, we can trust our money will be spent well :roll:

[Manny98]

OP kinda has a point

400'000 people die of flu on average each year and no one bats an eyelid

So why are they locking down entire countries for something that doesn't kill even a fraction of what flu does

[falc39]

OP kinda has a point

400'000 people die of flu on average each year and no one bats an eyelid

So why are they locking down entire countries for something that doesn't kill even a fraction of what flu does

Do you see at all what’s going on in Italy? Quite a lot of people are dying, their hospitals are overrun, doctors and medical staff are dying trying to treat the people who are dying.

[tpols]

Do you see at all what’s going on in Italy? Quite a lot of people are dying, their hospitals are overrun, doctors and medical staff are dying trying to treat the people who are dying.

they hold the highest proportion of old people in the world and the average age of death has been 80 years old.

nice try.

[Uncle Drew]

they hold the highest proportion of old people in the world and the average age of death has been 80 years old.

nice try.

If you think deaths are the biggest problem, you're an idiot. Although you've already proven yourself as one in these kind of threads as far as the latter goes.

[Ghost1]

OP kinda has a point

400'000 people die of flu on average each year and no one bats an eyelid

So why are they locking down entire countries for something that doesn't kill even a fraction of what flu does

because if everybody on Earth get infected with coronavirus the flu numbers would look like an absolute joke

[bladefd]

Here you go, Manny..


Saw this on reddit..

US Pop.=330M

Yearly FLU deaths: 0.01%
0.0001×330M =33,000 FLU DEATHS

COVID19:
Death rate=2-3%
60% infection rate

330M×0.6= 198 Million INFECTIONS
198M×0.02= 3.96 Million DEATHS to
198M×0.03= 5.94 Million DEATHS

Keep in mind that only considers America's numbers and not global numbers. Flu also does not usually require a ventilator - only oxygen in serious conditions. This requires both ventilator and oxygen. We are close to capacity in NY. It also requires isolation and negative pressure so you can't have multiple patients in same room.

[Axe]

OP kinda has a point

400'000 people die of flu on average each year and no one bats an eyelid

So why are they locking down entire countries for something that doesn't kill even a fraction of what flu does
The term "highly contagious" doesn't seem to register inside your big brain at all, does it?

[Manny98]

The term "highly contagious" doesn't seem to register inside your big brain at all, does it?
"Highly contagious" and yet only 18'000 deaths worldwide

[Manny98]

Here you go, Manny..



Keep in mind that only considers America's numbers and not global numbers. Flu also does not usually require a ventilator - only oxygen in serious conditions. This requires both ventilator and oxygen. We are close to capacity in NY. It also requires isolation and negative pressure so you can't have multiple patients in same room.
The death rate for Corona is only for confimed cases, because of the lack of testing in most countries for asymptomatic cases the actual number of people who have the virus is at least 10x the amount of confirmed cases which would put the actual death rate well below 1%

[Axe]

"Highly contagious" and yet only 18'000 deaths worldwide
So what are you trying to tell here? That you'd like to see the number of deaths worldwide reach up to a hundred thousand until it becomes millions?

You monster.

[NugzFan]

I wish the dumbasses who ignore corona warnings and go around doing stupid shit would be the ones who get it.

[bladefd]

The death rate for Corona is only for confimed cases, because of the lack of testing in most countries for asymptomatic cases the actual number of people who have the virus is at least 10x the amount of confirmed cases which would put the actual death rate well below 1%

Even if it is 0.5%, that's a million deaths.

And we are not even considering the hospitals getting completely swamped or the desperate need for ventilators. Flu doesn't swamp hospitals & doesn't typically require ventilators. That absolutely matters almost as much as the number of deaths.

[Stanley Kobrick]

If you think deaths are the biggest problem, you're an idiot. Although you've already proven yourself as one in these kind of threads as far as the latter goes.
That Tpols guy sure is some high quality dumbass

[bladefd]

I wish some of you morons knew just how it felt to be intubated and ventilator linked to you with a tube down your fu<king throat for days or weeks at a time. When I was young I had a back operation where they had to intubate me. I was on a ventilator for almost a week because I couldn't breathe due to some side-effects. I had multiple tubes down my throat and it was absolutely insane. I could feel the tubes every time I as much as pulled up my saliva or drank water. It's not painful but extremely uncomfortable.. You also cannot talk so it makes you anxious/scared almost. It's not fun at all.

[Facepalm]

"Highly contagious" and yet only 18'000 deaths worldwide
18,000 deaths because the whole world shut down. How many deaths if we didn't?

[Manny98]

Even if it is 0.5%, that's a million deaths.

And we are not even considering the hospitals getting completely swamped or the desperate need for ventilators. Flu doesn't swamp hospitals & doesn't typically require ventilators. That absolutely matters almost as much as the number of deaths.
Um, yes flu does swamp hospitals and requires ventilators


https://youtu.be/rphfVdx0Bk0

[FKAri]

Um, yes flu does swamp hospitals and requires ventilators


https://youtu.be/rphfVdx0Bk0

Yup. Bad flu seasons can swamp hospitals too. Coronavirus just does it 15x more at the same infection rates while being more contagious to the staff.

[bigkingsfan]

Yeah i told him not to. That was an easy bet. That said i still dont know why people say this is worse than the flu. Everyone points to Italy's 6000 plus deaths when the flu kills 3 to 4 times more than that in italy almost every year. Even in children under 5 the death rate was more than 1%. I highly dought the coronavirus death toll goes past that. Like most virus they'll be a peak,leveling off and then decline in a relatively short amount of time. Heres an article for yall on Italy's flu impact just to put everything in perspective. https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S1201971219303285
Italy currently has 10k death (Over 5k of those deaths were in the last week)

70,065 ACTIVE CASES (still 5k+ new cases a day)
22,407 CLOSED CASES

Do you honestly still think it won't surpass the flu by a wide margin?

[AlternativeAcc.]

Inverse anything bronbron23 says

Hes retarded and we r ****ed

[FKAri]

Italy currently has 10k death (Over 5k of those deaths were in the last week)

70,065 ACTIVE CASES (still 5k+ new cases a day)
22,407 CLOSED CASES

Do you honestly still think it won't surpass the flu by a wide margin?

in Italy it's looking like it will but not sure about US yet. If we went about our lives like this thing doesn't exist then yes. But it might not depending on what kind of measures we enact.

Either way the virus deaths or death rate statistics isn't the whole picture. There are accuracy issues but Italy's having non-virus related deaths go up because their hospitals are overtaxed. One way it's clear is that it's a real problem there is if you look at average deaths a day for Italy the last couple years vs how many they're having now. It's a problem.

[bladefd]

Um, yes flu does swamp hospitals and requires ventilators


https://youtu.be/rphfVdx0Bk0

We have 150k ventilators across all of the USA, and we have never had a situation where we ran out of ventilators or to go order 50k ventilators built in next couple months. We have had many seriously severe flu seasons but never ran out of ventilators. Explain that to me. Is states not having enough ventilators for covid-19 another lie, hoax or media fabrication??

[bladefd]

Italy currently has 10k death (Over 5k of those deaths were in the last week)

70,065 ACTIVE CASES (still 5k+ new cases a day)
22,407 CLOSED CASES

Do you honestly still think it won't surpass the flu by a wide margin?

The number of flu-related deaths in USA: 2017 had the most in history at 61,000. The range is between 12,000 and 61,000. That is with vaccines, antivirals and other treatment options available. Flu kills that many between September to May (8 months).

We will see how many covid-19 ends up killing. So far, we hit 2k in 2 months. Number of deaths per day is speeding up so far due to it spreading from state to state as people continue to move around. The most important time to pay attention to is after the hospitals are swamped. NY estimates that will happen in 14 to 20 days so we will have to see.

[bigkingsfan]

but not sure about US yet. If we went about our lives like this thing doesn't exist then yes. But it might not depending on what kind of measures we enact.

The US don't even have a clear strategy at this point. States are doing their own thing, people are starting to get bored and heading back outside now, it's going to be bad.

[tpols]

The US don't even have a clear strategy at this point. States are doing their own thing, people are starting to get bored and heading back outside now, it's going to be bad.

good, we all need to be free.

[bigkingsfan]

good, we all need to be free.
You are free now, there is no mandatory order in place.

[diamenz]

The US don't even have a clear strategy at this point. States are doing their own thing, people are starting to get bored and heading back outside now, it's going to be bad.

especially with nicer weather on it's way. the mayor of chicago had to shut down the lakefront because just a few days ago mobs of people were kicking it there like it were a sunny summer weekend.

[Uncle Drew]

good, we all need to be free.

Gah, I'm hoping so badly you'll end up on ICU.

[Manny98]

Interesting, 99% of the Corona deaths in Italy the patients have at least one underlying health condition and almost 50% of the deaths are patients with 3 or more underlying health conditions and the average age of deaths is 81 years old

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Italy's death rates are heavily inflated as they're are counting people that were seriously ill anyway before contracting the virus. Only a fraction of the "coranvirus deaths" in Italy are directly caused by the virus itself

[Manny98]

We're faking deaths now :yaohappy:


https://youtu.be/YfeKkK_ITpI

[Overdrive]

Interesting, 99% of the Corona deaths in Italy the patients have at least one underlying health condition and almost 50% of the deaths are patients with 3 or more underlying health conditions and the average age of deaths is 81 years old

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Italy's death rates are heavily inflated as they're are counting people that were seriously ill anyway before contracting the virus. Only a fraction of the "coranvirus deaths" in Italy are directly caused by the virus itself

The demography of the people becoming severely ill doesn't matter. They need care and by thus they take up capacities of hospitals. Also those underlying conditions are stuff that wouldn't necessarily kill them in the near future. Would you want your grandfather or any relativ close to you die from it? Stuff like this is showing you age and that you never had any hardships in life. Just like those springbreak morons.

When the outbreak here started a 27 year old woman died. They said she had 2 underlying health issues and acted like it was something terminal. Turned out it was diabetes I and a weakened kidney. Stuff you can live a more or less normal life with.


We're faking deaths now :yaohappy:


https://youtu.be/YfeKkK_ITpI

What a nonsaying sensationalist nonsense video. Could be very well be people dressed up and a Karen screaming to fuel conspiracy theorists propaganda. We don't see a corpse or a proclaimed dead guy rising. It's just a woman yelling at 2 people.

[FKAri]

Interesting, 99% of the Corona deaths in Italy the patients have at least one underlying health condition and almost 50% of the deaths are patients with 3 or more underlying health conditions and the average age of deaths is 81 years old

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-03-18/99-of-those-who-died-from-virus-had-other-illness-italy-says

Italy's death rates are heavily inflated as they're are counting people that were seriously ill anyway before contracting the virus. Only a fraction of the "coranvirus deaths" in Italy are directly caused by the virus itself

Interesting that 40% of all Americans have an underlying health condition. Also interesting that you and the article claim deaths are being overreported in Italy when the overall spike in death rates the last week is greater than the reported coronavirus deaths.

[tpols]

Gah, I'm hoping so badly you'll end up on ICU.

thats some bad karma for you mate.

good luck.

[Uncle Drew]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EUSU0JcUMAANjXo?format=jpg&name=small

:oldlol:

[Uncle Drew]

thats some bad karma for you mate.

good luck.

Luckily for me I do not live in a country with incompetent leadership and terrible health care. It is you who'll need luck. See you on the other side.

[Manny98]

https://i.postimg.cc/NGpyj0Mf/2669804.png

[Manny98]

Guys, I thought hospitals were being massively overrun with ill patients, what's going on why is this hospital basically empty :biggums:

https://mobile.twitter.com/99freemind/status/1244045948336177154

[Manny98]

This Corona shit is a f*cking hoax, open your eyes people

https://i.postimg.cc/XYnJ9GvC/EUS1k-Xc-Xg-AYLyb-O.jpg

[FKAri]

Guys, I thought hospitals were being massively overrun with ill patients, what's going on why is this hospital basically empty :biggums:

https://mobile.twitter.com/99freemind/status/1244045948336177154

Russia and China are telling the truth (as always). It's nothing to worry about. Carry on.

[DoctorP]

This Corona shit is a f*cking hoax, open your eyes people

https://i.postimg.cc/XYnJ9GvC/EUS1k-Xc-Xg-AYLyb-O.jpg
low


low


loooow

iq

[DoctorP]

Guys, I thought hospitals were being massively overrun with ill patients, what's going on why is this hospital basically empty :biggums:

https://mobile.twitter.com/99freemind/status/1244045948336177154

go lick the subway seats if you are so tough and sure of yourself :lol

get corona'd real quick :lol

[DoctorP]

https://youtu.be/ilQDwaS8-6c

[Norcaliblunt]

https://youtu.be/ilQDwaS8-6c

That chick needs to suck it up. I know it’s probably rough as hell but have some composure. Imagine when WW3 kicks off, we’ll have troops in trenches video blogging their tears and how scared they are.

[Manny98]

https://youtu.be/ilQDwaS8-6c

Paid actor?

[zeerghit]

Paid actor?

is ur point too look like retard? or you really that stupid?

[hateraid]

BronBron23, are you Filipino?
Your sentence fragmenting is very pinoy.

[Manny98]

Warzone doe :roll:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Think4Yoursel13/status/1244289109130166274

[DoctorP]

is ur point too look like retard? or you really that stupid?

im guessing retard for laughs. clowning.

the comedy is cringe tho. waiting for a good troll still. not seeing it

[BurningHammer]

Warzone doe :roll:

https://mobile.twitter.com/Think4Yoursel13/status/1244289109130166274
>driving around the main entrances
>not showing the emergency entrance and the actual inside the building

Nice imply. :durantunimpressed:

[Axe]

is ur point too look like retard? or you really that stupid?
Both.

[Manny98]

Wow look at this warzone hospital in LA that's apparently been completely overrun with coronavirus patients :eek:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1244342772783394822

[BurningHammer]

Guys, I thought hospitals were being massively overrun with ill patients, what's going on why is this hospital basically empty :biggums:

https://mobile.twitter.com/99freemind/status/1244045948336177154

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/why-the-emergency-departments-look-empty-amid-a-viral-outbreak-1.4868334


Contrary to what one might think, several emergency room doctors report relatively quiet ERs these days -- likely due to the fact people have curtailed routine visits that can be addressed by virtual or in-person consults with their family doctor, and the fact widespread isolation has cut opportunities for sports injuries, traffic accidents and other common ER traumas.

Of course many emergencies -- heart attacks, anaphylaxis, burns -- can occur regardless of whether a person is housebound or not.

While some hospitals are under increased strain from COVID-19 patients, emergency physicians said people should not hesitate going to hospital if they are in medical distress.

[Axe]

Wow look at this warzone hospital in LA that's apparently been completely overrun with coronavirus patients :eek:

https://mobile.twitter.com/DeAnna4Congress/status/1244342772783394822
Too much drugs doesn't make you look so good at all.

[Manny98]

Still waiting for the footage of these "warzone" hospitals everyone is talking about :lol

[DoctorP]

Still waiting for the footage of these "warzone" hospitals everyone is talking about :lol

here ya go dipshit :lol

https://nypost.com/2020/03/27/coronavirus-in-ny-video-shows-disturbing-crowded-hospital-er/

[Stephonit]

https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/why-the-emergency-departments-look-empty-amid-a-viral-outbreak-1.4868334

Uh, but that's Canada....

[BurningHammer]

Uh, but that's Canada....
The same thing can be applied to the US. Read the quote. People who are very ill from COVID-19 are in contained areas inside hospitals, and others with possible cases of infection are checked in separate areas.

Crowding the hospital doesn't make sense as well since it will not help containing the virus. Crowded ERs right now can only mean it will be in an apocalyptic level. And it will reach that point soon if you people don't take social distancing seriously.

[Overdrive]

Still waiting for the footage of these "warzone" hospitals everyone is talking about :lol

You understand that publicing without consent is illegal in most of europe, you do understand that filming crews aren't allowed on quarantine stations?

[Manny98]

https://youtu.be/ohO8eAwi_po

[diamenz]

don't bother arguing with manny. reality will set in for him soon enough. some people are just slower than the rest of us.

[Charlie Sheen]

https://youtu.be/ohO8eAwi_po

This is your authority on public health? An anti vaxxer? Really?


https://youtu.be/eeKSQi54Ih0

[Manny98]

This is your authority on public health? An anti vaxxer? Really?


https://youtu.be/eeKSQi54Ih0

Wait, they're trying to force vaccine injections onto children now?

DISGUSTING

[Overdrive]

Wait, they're trying to force vaccine injections onto children now?

DISGUSTING

Measles were extinct here before the new antivaxxer trend came along through facebook. Last year was the first time in decades a kid died from measles. So mandatory vaccines aren't a bad thing.

I seriously wonder why I'm arguing with you though.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/738/025/db0.jpg

[Manny98]

Measles were extinct here before the new antivaxxer trend came along through facebook. Last year was the first time in decades a kid died from measles. So mandatory vaccines aren't a bad thing.

I seriously wonder why I'm arguing with you though.
https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/738/025/db0.jpg

Putting substances which you have no idea what it's going to do to your body is a good thing :yaohappy:

Not all vaccines work, some actually do more harm than good

[Overdrive]

Putting substances which you have no idea what it's going to do to your body is a good thing :yaohappy:

Not all vaccines work, some actually do more harm than good

Give me one clinically tested example of a vaccine that does more harm and was used on a broad scale.

You have no clue what you're talking about. We acquired herd immunity to or got rid of polio, measles, smallpox, mumps, tetanus, dephtheria, scarlett fever and rubella due to vaccines. Most of those illnesses are highly dangerous if you contract them as an adult.

[bladefd]

Give me one clinically tested example of a vaccine that does more harm and was used on a broad scale.

You have no clue what you're talking about. We acquired herd immunity to or got rid of polio, measles, smallpox, mumps, tetanus, dephtheria, scarlett fever and rubella due to vaccines. Most of those illnesses are highly dangerous if you contract them as an adult.

Why are you responding to that moron? You are wasting your time. Ignore him - people like him don't deserve a response.

[Norcaliblunt]

I’m not getting any vaccine. If y’all scared go to church.

[Axe]

I’m not getting any vaccine. If y’all scared go to church.
What good does the church do in times like this for those who are scared? To see their fate?

[Overdrive]

I’m not getting any vaccine. If y’all scared go to church.

Don't forget to pour holy water into your face.


Why are you responding to that moron? You are wasting your time. Ignore him - people like him don't deserve a response.

Don't know. He doesn't strike me as a troll, but genuinely uneducated. Maybe just maybe he drops his ignorance a little bit and educates himself.

[DoctorP]

I’m not getting any vaccine. If y’all scared go to church.

:lol

[diamenz]

I’m not getting any vaccine. If y’all scared go to church.

i can't social distance at church.

[Axe]

i can't social distance at church.
Best to stay at home in that case. Also, churches must be closed during the pandemic.

[KD7]

https://youtu.be/oMsf_tDBK5s






:roll::roll:

[Stephonit]

Give me one clinically tested example of a vaccine that does more harm and was used on a broad scale.

You have no clue what you're talking about. We acquired herd immunity to or got rid of polio, measles, smallpox, mumps, tetanus, dephtheria, scarlett fever and rubella due to vaccines. Most of those illnesses are highly dangerous if you contract them as an adult.


Manny98 has been a bozo in this thread but look up the problems that came up with Dengvaxia for an example of the kind of controversy associated with a vaccine the news of which gets little play and is effectively suppressed. Doctors are careful about releasing a vaccine for a reason.

Media is propaganda. The current coverage of the covid-19 virus shows that pretty clearly.

[BurningHammer]

I’m not getting any vaccine. If y’all scared go to church.

You are only here alive nowadays because of vaccination. Otherwise, your grandparents would have all died young before your parents even born because of pandemics in early 20th centuries.

[BurningHammer]

https://youtu.be/ohO8eAwi_po

This mutherfuker works for RT, a media owned by Russian government.

And you say you don't trust your media yet trusting this traitor backed by untrusted foreign media. :durantunimpressed:

[Manny98]

This mutherfuker works for RT, a media owned by Russian government.

And you say you don't trust your media yet trusting this traitor backed by untrusted foreign media. :durantunimpressed:
Better than fraud Fox News & CNN :lol

[MaxFly]

People are still calling this overblown or a hoax, huh.

[Axe]

People are still calling this overblown or a hoax, huh.
From a retard's perspective, yes.

[MaxFly]

From a retard's perspective, yes.

Or a conspiracy...


Engineer tried to crash train into USNS Mercy in Los Angeles (https://www.yahoo.com/gma/engineer-tried-crash-train-usns-mercy-los-angeles-233500380--abc-news-topstories.html)

Investigators arrested a California train engineer Tuesday after he allegedly derailed a train in a bid to crash into the USNS Mercy, the hospital ship treating non-COVID-19 patients at the Port of Los Angeles to lessen the burden on area hospitals, prosecutors said.

Eduardo Moreno, 44, was expected to appear in court Wednesday for arraignment on train wrecking charges.

A California Highway Patrol officer caught Moreno as he allegedly tried to escape from the scene, according to the complaint. Moreno allegedly told officers and FBI investigators that he deliberately derailed the train because he was suspicious of the Mercy's intentions and thought it was actually part of a government takeover, the complaint said.

"Moreno stated that he acted alone and had not pre-planned the attempted attack," according to a statement from the U.S. Attorney's Office in the Central District of California. "While admitting to intentionally derailing and crashing the train, he said he knew it would bring media attention and 'people could see for themselves,' referring to the Mercy."