all the MVP talk is about Curry and Durant is taking a hot SH*T on Curry's season LOL

[HunterSThompson]

i said before that Curry gets a pass for everything cause hes a media darling and durant is getting the kobe treatment.


Curry is averaging 28/6/6 on 44% and 38% threes, 62%ts

Durant is averaging 30/8/5 on 57% and 42% threes, 68%ts

Golden State is 11-2, 1st seed

Brooklyn is 10-4, 2nd seed


oh wow.. 1 more win and 2 less losses... just toss out the fact that durant is literally going god mode


and curry has 2 guys almost averaging 20ppg with Wiggins and Poole at around 18ppg while only Harden is putting up that output for the nets


again this exposes the MVP as simply a popularity contest. a worthless award that the media changes its criteria every year for. i suppose as long as curry keeps the top record it will be about wins. then if the warriors finish 2nd or 3rd seed they will work in some angle about curry making poole better than he really is

:lol

[HunterSThompson]

PER leaders ( the medias FORMER favorite stat )

1. Jokic 36.42 ( and should win the MVP again if the nuggets get to 45-50 wins )
2. Durant 30.79
3. Giannis 30.22



Curry 28.09 :(

[RRR3]

You can’t use stats to make an argument and then claim Kobe is the best ever.

[HunterSThompson]

You can’t use stats to make an argument and then claim Kobe is the best ever.


oh really


https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/rockets-james-harden-really-having-best-scoring-season-ever

https://i.ibb.co/5G1j0Wm/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-7-57-53-PM.png

http://analyticsgame.com/nba/super-pace-an-nba-what-if.html


adjusted for pace Kobe has the greatest single season and single game in nba history

https://i.ibb.co/GHCgczc/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-8-00-43-PM.png

[SouBeachTalents]

I’ll give OP credit, if you had asked me who had the better statline so far this season I would’ve been very confident it was Curry. It’s actually kinda crazy Durant’s having a season like that and nobody’s even talking about it :lol

But you know the obv reason why, Curry’s getting more publicity because he’s taken a team expected to be a 2nd tier contender (without Klay obv) and has led them to the best record in the league, while Durant’s led the team considered to be the title favorites to around where you’d expect them to be.

[RRR3]

oh really


https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/rockets-james-harden-really-having-best-scoring-season-ever

https://i.ibb.co/5G1j0Wm/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-7-57-53-PM.png

http://analyticsgame.com/nba/super-pace-an-nba-what-if.html


adjusted for pace Kobe has the greatest single season and single game in nba history

https://i.ibb.co/GHCgczc/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-8-00-43-PM.png
One game means nothing and wow just PPGZ with no mention of efficiency? Yeah I noticed you don’t bring up
The stats you mentioned in the OP for Kobe :oldlol:

[HBK_Kliq_2]

I usually don't defend curry but Wiggins is a career bust and poole is just some random guy.

Harden is an mvp

[HunterSThompson]

One game means nothing and wow just PPGZ with no mention of efficiency? Yeah I noticed you don’t bring up
The stats you mentioned in the OP for Kobe :oldlol:



he shot 61% in the all time adjusted pace 107 point game

and 56%ts in 2006 which is better than 8 of jordans seasons

https://c.tenor.com/JEj4FA-lXdEAAAAM/confused-jaguarsfan.gif

[HunterSThompson]

I usually don't defend curry but Wiggins is a career bust and poole is just some random guy.

Harden is an mvp

harden under the new rules is playoff mode harden and a bigger bust than anyone including wiggins

[RRR3]

he shot 61% in the all time adjusted pace 107 point game

and 56%ts in 2006 which is better than 8 of jordans seasons

https://c.tenor.com/JEj4FA-lXdEAAAAM/confused-jaguarsfan.gif
I don't care about one game when ranking players, it's completely irrelevant. Unless you think Tony Delk was an elite scorer cuz he scored 50 once :yaohappy:

He shot 55.9 TS% in 2006, Jordan beat that mark in 10 of the 13 full seasons he played, stop making shit up :yaohappy: In fact, Jordan was never that inefficient in a full season until 1998 lmao

[HunterSThompson]

I don't care about one game when ranking players, it's completely irrelevant. Unless you think Tony Delk was an elite scorer cuz he scored 50 once :yaohappy:

He shot 55.9 TS% in 2006, Jordan beat that mark in 10 of the 13 full seasons he played, stop making shit up :yaohappy: In fact, Jordan was never that inefficient in a full season until 1998 lmao

its not just one game. he has the best scoring season ever too when adjusted for pace

and i'm sure if you adjusted for pace and took out kobes 6th man teenage years and his post achilles stuff hes up there with wilt and MJ in career averages as well

i know kobes point per shot during that time is on par with jordans career average

both have 1.30

and thats 15 seasons for both guys

so adjusted for pace kobe would have the all time ppg record as well if he went to college and never ripped his achilles

[RRR3]

its not just one game. he has the best scoring season ever too when adjusted for pace

and i'm sure if you adjusted for pace and took out kobes 6th man teenage years and his post achilles stuff hes up there with wilt and MJ in career averages as well

i know kobes point per shot during that time is on par with jordans career average

both have 1.30

and thats 15 seasons for both guys

so adjusted for pace kobe would have the all time ppg record as well if he went to college and never ripped his achilles
That's a whole lot of ifs, and obviously Jordan could have had the best scoring season pace adjusted if he shot more considering he was more efficient than Kobe lol. And Jordan's advanced and impact stats destroy Kobe. Eeyikes.

[1987_Lakers]

Damn, even when Curry is having an off shooting season he is still a league ahead of Kobe in TS%.

[HunterSThompson]

He shot 55.9 TS% in 2006, Jordan beat that mark in 10 of the 13 full seasons he played

kobe 2005-06 - 55.9TS%
vs
Jordan 85-86 - 53.3TS%
Jordan 86-87 - 56.2TS%
Jordan 92-93 - 56.4TS%
Jordan 94-95 - 49.3TS%
Jordan 96-97 - 56.7TS%
Jordan 97-98 - 53.3TS%
Jordan 01-02 - 46.8TS%
Jordan 02-03 - 49.1TS%


i mean kobes 2006 season is basically on par or better efficiency wise than 8 of jordans seasons like i said. and this is THE GOAT... the guy that took WAAAAAAY smarter shots than kobe and was WAAAAAY better

come on. you're splitting hairs at this point.

[JohnMax]

One starred your gay ass thread

[HunterSThompson]

Damn, even when Curry is having an off shooting season he is still a league ahead of Kobe in TS%.

its amazing how kobe is still the bar people are measured at for everything. especially for shooting efficiency and when comparing the supposed greatest shooter ever


"sure everyone might call you the goat shooter. but how do you stack up to kobe" - kobe hater

[HunterSThompson]

One starred your gay ass thread

this thread is the greatest thing to happen to this place since i left it in your hands on friday cause i actually have a life outside of talking sports

[HunterSThompson]

"the all time greatest season for adjusted scoring doesn't mean shit cause kobe wasn't efficient!!!!! most of jordans career was 0.1-0.5 TS% higher!!!!

https://media3.giphy.com/media/TL2Yr3ioe78tO/200.gif



:roll:

[imdaman99]

Gimme jokic or gimme death

It's a shame he isn't nearly as marketable as the rest of the top players in the league. He is a great player and deserves more attention.

[iamgine]

Did OP just compare Poole and Wiggins with James Harden :lol

[RRR3]

kobe 2005-06 - 55.9TS%
vs
Jordan 85-86 - 53.3TS%
Jordan 86-87 - 56.2TS%
Jordan 92-93 - 56.4TS%
Jordan 94-95 - 49.3TS%
Jordan 96-97 - 56.7TS%
Jordan 97-98 - 53.3TS%
Jordan 01-02 - 46.8TS%
Jordan 02-03 - 49.1TS%


i mean kobes 2006 season is basically on par or better efficiency wise than 8 of jordans seasons like i said. and this is THE GOAT... the guy that took WAAAAAAY smarter shots than kobe and was WAAAAAY better

come on. you're splitting hairs at this point.
That is not what you said, stop lying Kenny. And Jordan barely played in 95 lmao at using that.

[RRR3]

:roll:
LeBron brutalized Kobe head to head. 16-6.

[HunterSThompson]

Did OP just compare Poole and Wiggins with James Harden :lol

who would you rather have under the new rules. those 2 or this guy


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=upGCatvgTh8


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xhn32FVz6BU

[HunterSThompson]

LeBron brutalized Kobe head to head. 16-6.

not really. 1 on 1 kobe brutalized lebron. lebrons teams just took advantage of mostly rebuilding laker rosters. obviously when you skip an entire 8 year run contending teams and mostly deal with the tail end you can rack up wins easier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncMtXkL4Gu4

lebron 2 point hook shot shot 2-0
Kobe 3 point shot 2-3
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 2-5
Kobe 2 point up and under layup 2-7
Lebron 2 point layup 4-7
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-9
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-11
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-13
Kobe 3 point fall away shot 4-16
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-18
Kobe 3 point pull up 4-21
Kobe 2 point fall away bank shot 4-23
Kobe 3 point step back 4-26
Kobe 2 point fall away 4-28
Lebron 2 point fast break dunk 6-28
Lebron 2 point fade away 8-28
Kobe 2 point pull up shot 8-30
Lebron 2 point layup 10-30
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 10-32
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-34
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-36
Lebron 2 point jumper 12-36
Kobe 2 point layup 12-38
Lebron 2 point jumper 14-38
Kobe 2 point jumper 14-40
Lebron 2 point jumper 16-40
Kobe 2 point fall away shot 16-42
Kobe 3 point face up shot 16-45
Lebron 2 point fall away shot 19-45
Kobe 2 point high arching fade away 19-47
Kobe 2 point running leaner 19-49
Kobe 2 point dunk 19-51
Kobe 2 point rainbow fade away 19-53
Lebron 3 point step back 22-53
Kobe 2 point dunk 22-55
Kobe 3 point jumper 22-58
Lebron 2 point layup 24-58
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-60
Kobe 2 point layup 24-62
Kobe 2 point jumper 24-64
Kobe 2 point layup 24-66
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-68
Lebron 2 point layup 26-68
Kobe 2 point fake out layup 26-70
Lebron 2 point dunk 28-70
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-72
Kobe 3 point face up shot 28-75
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-77
Kobe 2 point pull up 28-79

[HunterSThompson]

That is not what you said, stop lying Kenny. And Jordan barely played in 95 lmao at using that.

my bad. equal or bettered jordan 8 times. happy?


and thats the year kobe literally gave the least f*cks about taking smart shots btw

[RRR3]

not really. 1 on 1 kobe brutalized lebron. lebrons teams just took advantage of mostly rebuilding laker rosters. obviously when you skip an entire 8 year run contending teams and mostly deal with the tail end you can rack up wins easier

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ncMtXkL4Gu4

lebron 2 point hook shot shot 2-0
Kobe 3 point shot 2-3
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 2-5
Kobe 2 point up and under layup 2-7
Lebron 2 point layup 4-7
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-9
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-11
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-13
Kobe 3 point fall away shot 4-16
Kobe 2 point jumper 4-18
Kobe 3 point pull up 4-21
Kobe 2 point fall away bank shot 4-23
Kobe 3 point step back 4-26
Kobe 2 point fall away 4-28
Lebron 2 point fast break dunk 6-28
Lebron 2 point fade away 8-28
Kobe 2 point pull up shot 8-30
Lebron 2 point layup 10-30
Kobe 2 point running bank shot 10-32
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-34
Kobe 2 point jumper 10-36
Lebron 2 point jumper 12-36
Kobe 2 point layup 12-38
Lebron 2 point jumper 14-38
Kobe 2 point jumper 14-40
Lebron 2 point jumper 16-40
Kobe 2 point fall away shot 16-42
Kobe 3 point face up shot 16-45
Lebron 2 point fall away shot 19-45
Kobe 2 point high arching fade away 19-47
Kobe 2 point running leaner 19-49
Kobe 2 point dunk 19-51
Kobe 2 point rainbow fade away 19-53
Lebron 3 point step back 22-53
Kobe 2 point dunk 22-55
Kobe 3 point jumper 22-58
Lebron 2 point layup 24-58
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-60
Kobe 2 point layup 24-62
Kobe 2 point jumper 24-64
Kobe 2 point layup 24-66
Kobe 2 point fade away 24-68
Lebron 2 point layup 26-68
Kobe 2 point fake out layup 26-70
Lebron 2 point dunk 28-70
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-72
Kobe 3 point face up shot 28-75
Kobe 2 point fade away 28-77
Kobe 2 point pull up 28-79
Typical Kobe, focused on meaningless baskets while LeBron focused on winning :applause:

LeBron was 8-5 against Kobe before he even went to Miami lmao. And he was playing at a severe disadvantage in most of those games team wise. Still beat that ass.

[Phoenix]

Kobe was never as good as Durant currently is.

[Axe]

Curry wasn't even in the playoffs since the 2019 finals but looked how the media treated him last season, as if the warriors were still a dynasty without klay's presence. :ohwell:

[1987_Lakers]

Kobe was never as good as Durant currently is.

OP is so concerned about LeBron, but in reality he should focus his hate on Durant & Curry, in a blink of an eye they will both surpass Kobe on the all-time list.

[HunterSThompson]

Typical Kobe, focused on meaningless baskets while LeBron focused on winning :applause:

LeBron was 8-5 against Kobe before he even went to Miami lmao. And he was playing at a severe disadvantage in most of those games team wise. Still beat that ass.



i guess kobe > MJ

5-3

good think kobe skipped most of jordans dominant bulls teams and faced his tail end huh

[Phoenix]

OP is so concerned about LeBron, but in reality he should focus his hate on Durant & Curry, in a blink of an eye they will both surpass Kobe on the all-time list.

Yup. Its getting close...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/32/5f/f8325fa191d493e3fdaca02c4890d560.gif

[HunterSThompson]

OP is so concerned about LeBron, but in reality he should focus his hate on Durant & Curry, in a blink of an eye they will both surpass Kobe on the all-time list.

i like durant. i want him to be the goat some day. it won't happen with the media giving him the kobe treatment though and robbing him of mvps


and it also wont happen if they continue to give him the shaft for winning with superteams/colluded rosters like both lebron and curry have but seem to get a pass for

[RRR3]

i guess kobe > MJ

5-3

good think kobe skipped most of jordans dominant bulls teams and faced his tail end huh
Young Cavs LeBron was 8-5 versus peak Kobe :oldlol:

[RRR3]

Yup. Its getting close...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/32/5f/f8325fa191d493e3fdaca02c4890d560.gif
Hot take: Curry is already over Kobe all time.

[Phoenix]

Durant's right there. Couple more years at this level and it'll be 13thbe, and shit if Curry wins another title or hell another MVP? Shit is OVA.

[HunterSThompson]

Yup. Its getting close...

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f8/32/5f/f8325fa191d493e3fdaca02c4890d560.gif

well the media gives durant zero credit for his rings and curry has yet to win 1 finals mvp and at most has 1 legit title as a co-lead in 2015 so both guys better get going. they're both like 33

[SouBeachTalents]

Forget all time rank, just based on how good they were, how would y'all rank Kobe, Durant & Curry?

[Phoenix]

Hot take: Curry is already over Kobe all time.

* Kenny has entered the chat, frothing at the mouth*

[HunterSThompson]

Durant's right there. Couple more years at this level and it'll be 13thbe, and shit if Curry wins another title or hell another MVP? Shit is OVA.

i've put durant "right there" with kobe and bird for a long time

[Phoenix]

well the media gives durant zero credit for his rings and curry has yet to win 1 finals mvp and at most has 1 legit title as a co-lead in 2015 so both guys better get going. they're both like 33

Kobe was the best player for 2 titles, same as Durant. Same number of MVPs....and is just better on the floor in general. Durant's right there, and can only move up over the next couple of years.

[Phoenix]

Forget all time rank, just based on how good they were, how would y'all rank Kobe, Durant & Curry?

Durant, Curry, Kobe.

[1987_Lakers]

Forget all time rank, just based on how good they were, how would y'all rank Kobe, Durant & Curry?

1. Durant
2. Curry
3. Kobe

[SouBeachTalents]

Kobe was the best player for 2 titles, same as Durant. Same number of MVPs....and is just better on the floor in general. Durant's right there, and can only move up over the next couple of years.
You just can't compare Durant's titles to anybody else's. They're legit the easiest titles in the history of the league. Say what you want Kobe actually had to carry a superstar burden for his FMVP's, Durant won them under the easiest circumstances imaginable.

[HunterSThompson]

Forget all time rank, just based on how good they were, how would y'all rank Kobe, Durant & Curry?

#1 Kobe
#2 Bird
#3 Durant
#4 Hakeem
#5 Jordan

then 10 other guys

#16 Lebron

then 10 other guys

#27 Curry

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe was the best player for 2 titles, same as Durant. Same number of MVPs....and is just better on the floor in general. Durant's right there, and can only move up over the next couple of years.

yeah but lets be real. even currys 2015 title is above durants 2 with golden state as FMVP. and you all know i love durant and hate curry


you guys simply aren't being honest like i am. you guys troll more than you use your brains. i troll with facts

[Phoenix]

Durant, Dirks height and shot but with guard handles and small forward athleticism. Unique.

Curry, unprecedented combo of shooting and handles. Breaks defenses with his range and off-ball gravity. Unique.

Kobe, coke zero MJ with the fizz removed. Not unique.

[Phoenix]

You just can't compare Durant's titles to anybody else's. They're legit the easiest titles in the history of the league. Say what you want Kobe actually had to carry a superstar burden for his FMVP's, Durant won them under the easiest circumstances imaginable.

I agree, but wait......

[HunterSThompson]

1. Durant
2. Curry
3. Kobe

shocker


mr "i've never had bacon and onions on pizza"

you obviously don't see the light of day very often

[RRR3]

Forget all time rank, just based on how good they were, how would y'all rank Kobe, Durant & Curry?
Curry, Durant, Kobe.

[SouBeachTalents]

yeah but lets be real. even currys 2015 title is above durants 2 with golden state as FMVP. and you all know i love durant and hate curry


you guys simply aren't being honest like i am. you guys troll more than you use your brains. i troll with facts
And you have Kobe & Durant above Jordan :lol You just troll. Or you're an idiot if you truly believe that.

[Phoenix]

shocker


mr "i've never had bacon and onions on pizza"

you obviously don't see the light of day very often

Says someone impersonating Kobes spirit for 3 months.

[HunterSThompson]

Durant, Dirks height and shot but with guard handles and small forward athleticism. Unique.

Curry, unprecedented combo of shooting and handles. Breaks defenses with his range and off-ball gravity. Unique.

Kobe, coke zero MJ with the fizz removed. Not unique.

this post is highly informative. aren't you like 60 or 70 years old btw. someone said that recently lol


this place is becoming embarrassing

[HunterSThompson]

And you have Kobe & Durant above Jordan :lol You just troll. Or you're an idiot if you truly believe that.

no i have jordan as the goat career/player combo. thats my skills ranking/ in a vacuum at their best

[Phoenix]

this post is highly informative. aren't you like 60 or 70 years old btw. someone said that recently lol


this place is becoming embarrassing

Dont know who that someone is or why they would say that, but not even remotely close.


Thanks for the compliment, figured you'd appreciate the breakdown.

[HunterSThompson]

Dont know who that someone is or why they would say that, but not even remotely close.


Thanks for the compliment, figured you'd appreciate the breakdown.

it was sarcastic. tell us more how kobe is just pepsi twist with a lime and flat on a warm day

[1987_Lakers]

Says someone impersonating Kobes spirit for 3 months.

:roll:

[Phoenix]

it was sarcastic

Appreciate the support broham.

[hold this L]

Says someone impersonating Kobes spirit for 3 months.

https://c.tenor.com/f-NJFoZcuHgAAAAM/kobe-bryant-laugh.gif

[HunterSThompson]

:roll:


my favorite pizza up until today was dried oatmeal with raisins but the raisins are actually dead flies. thanks mom

https://www.eightieskids.com/wp-content/uploads/2020/07/goonies-1-e1595330007749.jpg





:roll:

[Phoenix]

. tell us more how kobe is just pepsi twist with a lime and flat on a warm day

I didnt say anything about a lime.

[HunterSThompson]

I didnt say anything about a lime.

whyd you sell kobe short on the lime

[Phoenix]

whyd you sell kobe short on the lime

Diet soda without the fizz suffices.

[HunterSThompson]

oh really


https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/rockets-james-harden-really-having-best-scoring-season-ever

https://i.ibb.co/5G1j0Wm/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-7-57-53-PM.png

http://analyticsgame.com/nba/super-pace-an-nba-what-if.html


adjusted for pace Kobe has the greatest single season and single game in nba history

https://i.ibb.co/GHCgczc/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-8-00-43-PM.png



sorry guys. this post is still here even after all your panic spamming

:lol

[SATAN]

Says someone impersonating Kobes spirit for 3 months.

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

sorry guys. this post is still here even after all your panic spamming

:lol
Kobe’s inferior advanced and impact stats are still there too. As is him being unable to beat even young Cleveland Bron with a stacked Lakers team lmao

[Phoenix]

sorry guys. this post is still here even after all your panic spamming

:lol

Cute, bump a thread that nobody gave enough of a shit about to bother trolling.:lol

[HunterSThompson]

Kobe’s inferior advanced and impact stats are still there too. As is him being unable to beat even young Cleveland Bron with a stacked Lakers team lmao

was that during the lakers rebuilding era when cleveland went to the finals and lebron had an allstar level sidekick

or was that during the lakers title years when cleveland had the best record in the nba and all kinds of help around your kang but he just ended up shitting the bed


glad lebron got the much more important regular season matchup victory and let kobe walk away with that meaningless trophy back to back years during the only time both guys were prime

[Phoenix]

So we're all in agreement: Durant and Curry above Kobe based on play and soon to demote him to 14thBe. There is hope for this forum yet.

[SouBeachTalents]

Just for fun, add Wade & Kawhi into the mix with those 3

[Phoenix]

Just for fun, how about Kobe, Wade & Kawhi

Wade. :lol

[RRR3]

Kenny is seriously retarded enough to think LeBron didn’t have similar rosters to Kobe from 04-07. Christ.

[RRR3]

Just for fun, add Wade & Kawhi into the mix with those 3
Wade, Kawhi, Kobe.

[HunterSThompson]

So we're all in agreement: Durant and Curry above Kobe based on play and soon to demote him to 14thBe. There is hope for this forum yet.

damn if only you guys had that top 50 shot clock era vote now instead of last month. you guys could bump kobe behind durant and curry


oh well maybe next year

[RRR3]

So we're all in agreement: Durant and Curry above Kobe based on play and soon to demote him to 14thBe. There is hope for this forum yet.
Then you have Giannis coming soon enough too. 15be :(

[SouBeachTalents]

damn if only you guys had that top 50 shot clock era vote now instead of last month. you guys could bump kobe behind durant and curry


oh well maybe next year
Kobe still wouldn't be top 10

[RRR3]

Kobe still wouldn't be top 10
He won’t be top 17 at this rate. Giannis, Jokic, Luka, yikes. If Zion, Kawhi and Embiid stay healthy, he could go down to 20th. Of course the chances of Kawhi being healthy long enough to surpass Kobe are basically zero but still.

[Phoenix]

damn if only you guys had that top 50 shot clock era vote now instead of last month. you guys could bump kobe behind durant and curry


oh well maybe next year

I didnt say Durant and Curry warrant ranking over him as of now. I said their level of play is higher. 14thBE isnt too far away though...what's your next coping mechanism? Kobes spirit is a tough nut to crack.

[Phoenix]

Then you have Giannis coming soon enough too. 15be :(

Shit, good point. Another MVP, another title, a few more 28/12/5 seasons and best of all, 3nutball's endorsement from Pippen level bum to GOAT level within a space of a month. Kobe may be out of top 20 by 2023.

[HunterSThompson]

Kenny is seriously retarded enough to think LeBron didn’t have similar rosters to Kobe from 04-07. Christ.

yeah kwame is just as good as big Z and has just as many allstar selections.

larry hughes averaging 20ppg before getting to cleveland is just as good as smush parkers 3ppg before getting to LA

Donyell Marshalls all time record tieing 12 threes only came a year before joining lebron. thats not much better than anything luke walton ever did from deep though. its obvious the lakers had just as many sharp shooters

i mean only 7 guys on cleveland shot over 35% threes... thats not much better than the lakers 3 guys

its sooo obvious cleveland was trash. lebron got them to the finals by himself

[RRR3]

I didnt say Durant and Curry warrant ranking over him as of now. I said their level of play is higher. 14thBE isnt too far away though...what's your next coping mechanism? Kobes spirit is a tough nut to crack.
Kobe is gonna be getting ranked like 20th in 40 years and LeBron will likely still be top 3 and Kenny will be in a nursing home mad about it.

[Pip' N Rodman]

yeah kwame is just as good as big Z and has just as many allstar selections.

larry hughes averaging 20ppg before getting to cleveland is just as good as smush parkers 3ppg before getting to LA

Donyell Marshalls all time record tieing 12 threes only came a year before joining lebron. thats not much better than anything luke walton ever did from deep though. its obvious the lakers had just as many sharp shooters

i mean only 7 guys on cleveland shot over 35% threes... thats not much better than the lakers 3 guys

its sooo obvious cleveland was trash. lebron got them to the finals by himself


Hows ottawa these days

[HunterSThompson]

Shit, good point. Another MVP, another title, a few more 28/12/5 seasons and best of all, 3nutball's endorsement from Pippen level bum to GOAT level within a space of a month. Kobe may be out of top 20 by 2023.

why stop there.. what about luka. hes top 5 pace statistically. 17thbe incoming

[RRR3]

yeah kwame is just as good as big Z and has just as many allstar selections.

larry hughes averaging 20ppg before getting to cleveland is just as good as smush parkers 3ppg before getting to LA

Donyell Marshalls all time record tieing 12 threes only came a year before joining lebron. thats not much better than anything luke walton ever did from deep though. its obvious the lakers had just as many sharp shooters

i mean only 7 guys on cleveland shot over 35% threes... thats not much better than the lakers 3 guys

its sooo obvious cleveland was trash. lebron got them to the finals by himself
Larry Hughes had one good year and then reverted back to being shit lol. Way to leave out Odom who was better than anyone LeBron played with until 2011.

[SouBeachTalents]

yeah kwame is just as good as big Z and has just as many allstar selections.

larry hughes averaging 20ppg before getting to cleveland is just as good as smush parkers 3ppg before getting to LA

Donyell Marshalls all time record tieing 12 threes only came a year before joining lebron. thats not much better than anything luke walton ever did from deep though. its obvious the lakers had just as many sharp shooters

i mean only 7 guys on cleveland shot over 35% threes... thats not much better than the lakers 3 guys

its sooo obvious cleveland was trash. lebron got them to the finals by himself
Lamar Odom's better than anyone LeBron had on Cleveland from '05-'-07

[Phoenix]

why stop there.. what about luka. hes top 5 pace statistically. 17thbe incoming

Acceptance is the first step. We're here for you my sweet summer child.

[HunterSThompson]

Lamar Odom is better than anyone LeBron had on Cleveland form '05-'-07

i beg to differ.


odom never made an allstar game and big Z made 2


odoms average from 05-07 was 15 ppg, 9 rebounds, 5 assists on 47% with 7.7 defensive winshares


big Z from 04-07 was 15ppg, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks on 49% with 13.2 defensive winshares


if you trade odom for big Z kobe turns that dude into Pau and wins back to back with his ass

[HunterSThompson]

Hows ottawa these days

check again. i think i'm in Barrie Ontario now

[RRR3]

i beg to differ.


odom never made an allstar game and big Z made 2


odoms average from 05-07 was 15 ppg, 9 rebounds, 5 assists on 47% with 7.7 defensive winshares


big Z from 04-07 was 15ppg, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks on 49% with 13.2 defensive winshares


if you trade odom for big Z kobe turns that dude into Pau and wins back to back with his ass
You make 3ball look intelligent.

[HunterSThompson]

New Baltimore, Virginia now

[HunterSThompson]

You make 3ball look intelligent.

facts don't care about feelings. odom is the prettier name cause hes a 3rd guy on a title team in LA. but he wasn't the same impact as big Z in his prime whether you like it or not

[SouBeachTalents]

i beg to differ.


odom never made an allstar game and big Z made 2


odoms average from 05-07 was 15 ppg, 9 rebounds, 5 assists on 47% with 7.7 defensive winshares


big Z from 04-07 was 15ppg, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks on 49% with 13.2 defensive winshares


if you trade odom for big Z kobe turns that dude into Pau and wins back to back with his ass
Nah, Odom averaged 19/12/4 on 49% and Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round. Big Z has literally never averaged any of those numbers.

[RRR3]

facts don't care about feelings. odom is the prettier name cause hes a 3rd guy on a title team in LA. but he wasn't the same impact as big Z in his prime whether you like it or not
Facts have LeBron as a better player than Kobe. :(

[HunterSThompson]

Larry Hughes had one good year and then reverted back to being shit lol. Way to leave out Odom who was better than anyone LeBron played with until 2011.

i'm noticing a trend of decline by guys that go to play with lebron. whatsup with that

[HunterSThompson]

Facts have LeBron as a better player than Kobe. :(

i don't think a subjective ranking can ever be a fact since it varries based on whos participating in the ranking system. for fans and players kobe is by far more respected worldwide.

for message boards and media lists lebron gets the nod. if only we could tell whos opinion was worth more


people or faceless trolls



players or faceless trolls


legends or faceless trolls



hmmmmmmmmmmm tough one

[HunterSThompson]

Nah, Odom averaged 19/12/4 on 49% and Kobe couldn't even get out of the first round. Big Z has literally never averaged any of those numbers.

sorry

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/portrait-of-eastern-conference-allstar-zydrunas-ilgauskas-of-the-picture-id1819126

https://media.gettyimages.com/photos/zydrunas-ilgauskas-and-lebron-james-of-the-eastern-conference-pose-picture-id52264662



vs

https://www.jetss.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/10/2D92650000000578-3279770-image-m-3_1445294968850.jpg


take your pick

[Pip' N Rodman]

Why did Kobe miss the playoffs with Dwight Howard in 2013?

[1987_Lakers]

Big Z playoff averages in '07 when LeBron led the Cavs to the Finals: 12/7 on 49 fg%

Odom in '06 & '07 when Kobe was losing in the 1st round: 19/12/4 on 49 fg%

Kobe choked a 3-1 lead in '06 with a beast of a second option in Odom.

[RRR3]

i don't think a subjective ranking can ever be a fact since it varries based on whos participating in the ranking system. for fans and players kobe is by far more respected worldwide.

for message boards and media lists lebron gets the nod. if only we could tell whos opinion was worth more


people or faceless trolls



players or faceless trolls


legends or faceless trolls



hmmmmmmmmmmm tough one
You realize there are literal statistics tracking their impact on games right? Facts don’t care about your feelings.

[HunterSThompson]

Big Z playoff averages in '07 when LeBron led the Cavs to the Finals: 12/7 on 49 fg%

Odom in '06 & '07 when Kobe was losing in the 1st round: 19/12/4 on 49 fg%

Kobe choked a 3-1 lead in '06 with a beast of a second option in Odom.



hey you don't have to convince me that lebron slowly destroys every great player he ever got

and yes every player kobe gets usually has their best years of their career


its odd isn't it

:lol


its almost as if kobe didn't completely f*ck over his teams offensive systems and put others in their best position to succeed individually and didn't make it all about him collecting assists off broken stagnant offensive sets where its a three or a drive

[warriorfan]

Get well soon

[HunterSThompson]

You realize there are literal statistics tracking their impact on games right? Facts don’t care about your feelings.

theres only one problem with all those analytics.. they have the guy you want in the top 3 but then you go down the list and see names like chris paul and john stockton and other randoms in the top 10 all time like with VORP and gus johnson with PER and russell outside of the top 100... and with VORP you have kobe ahead of guys like shaq, wilt, magic, bird, hakeem and others you say are ahead of kobe. or with winshares you have kobe over peak shaq in 2001 which shouldnt make sense right.



but whatever has lebron 1st or 2nd right. lets go with that

[Blazers32]

i beg to differ.


odom never made an allstar game and big Z made 2


odoms average from 05-07 was 15 ppg, 9 rebounds, 5 assists on 47% with 7.7 defensive winshares


big Z from 04-07 was 15ppg, 8 rebounds, 2 blocks on 49% with 13.2 defensive winshares


if you trade odom for big Z kobe turns that dude into Pau and wins back to back with his ass

Making All star team in the West is harder than making it in the East.
Big Z would be 0 times all star in the West.

[HunterSThompson]

Making All star team in the West is harder than making it in the East.
Big Z would be 0 times all star in the West.

can't have your cake and eat it too.. i'l let you throw out all of big Z's allstar selections if you throw out all of lebrons finals appearances from 2007 to 2018

[1987_Lakers]

hey you don't have to convince me that lebron slowly destroys every great player he ever got

and yes every player kobe gets usually has their best years of their career


its odd isn't it

:lol


its almost as if kobe didn't completely f*ck over his teams offensive systems and put others in their best position to succeed individually and didn't make it all about him collecting assists off broken stagnant offensive sets where its a three or a drive

You just showed Big Z's stats WITH LeBron to try to convince us how good of a player he was, what a nutjob.

[HunterSThompson]

You just showed Big Z's stats WITH LeBron to try to convince us how good of a player he was, what a nutjob.

yeah i showed his stats from 04 to 07 combined. then you selected the last season of odom and big Z's final playoff series stats to make your argument

mine was obviously a more accurate sample size and gave big Z a chance because lebron didn't have a vice grip on the offense from year 1

obviously by the 2007 finals lebron strangled the life out of him

[Spurs m8]

i said before that Curry gets a pass for everything cause hes a media darling and durant is getting the kobe treatment.


Curry is averaging 28/6/6 on 44% and 38% threes, 62%ts

Durant is averaging 30/8/5 on 57% and 42% threes, 68%ts

Golden State is 11-2, 1st seed

Brooklyn is 10-4, 2nd seed


oh wow.. 1 more win and 2 less losses... just toss out the fact that durant is literally going god mode


and curry has 2 guys almost averaging 20ppg with Wiggins and Poole at around 18ppg while only Harden is putting up that output for the nets


again this exposes the MVP as simply a popularity contest. a worthless award that the media changes its criteria every year for. i suppose as long as curry keeps the top record it will be about wins. then if the warriors finish 2nd or 3rd seed they will work in some angle about curry making poole better than he really is

:lol

Curry still triggering you, b1tch?

What a meltdown

[1987_Lakers]

yeah i showed his stats from 04 to 07 combined. then you selected the last season of odom and big Z's final playoff series stats to make your argument

mine was obviously a more accurate sample size and gave big Z a chance because lebron didn't have a vice grip on the offense from year 1

obviously by the 2007 finals lebron strangled the life out of him

It shows that LeBron is able to carry a team with less, not to mention AD & Irving's legacy took a big rise playing WITH LeBron, both have proven to be failures as #1 options.

[HunterSThompson]

"why compare 3-4 years when you can just cherry pick 1 playoff series"

"i never had pizza with onions with bacon. i live off fish guts in slurry form that my mom thinks will make the cats sick"



keep the gems coming coon boy. you're on a roll tonight

[1987_Lakers]

You know deep down Odom is better than Big Z, your trolling isn't fooling anyone. You're either trolling of you have a thing for bald men like Big Z & Hunter considering you are going bald yourself.

[HunterSThompson]

It shows that LeBron is able to carry a team with less, not to mention AD & Irving's legacy took a big rise playing WITH LeBron, both have proven to be failures as #1 options.


theres only one problem with your calculation... when lebron had less production from big Z he got swept by the spurs in the finals. that isn't exactly carrying


because he played pretty well in the series prior to that

14ppg, 10rpg on 53% to be exact

19ppg, 11rpg on 60% in the first round

and lets not forget larry hughes first 2 rounds averaging 16ppg

its a shame drew gooden also chipped in double digit scoring averages for the playoffs. kinda kills the whole carried scrubs thing


its almost like the more lebron decided to transition his team from a regular offense into bran ball all his teammates suddenly turned into dog shit

[HunterSThompson]

You know deep down Odom is better than Big Z, your trolling isn't fooling anyone. You're either trolling of you have a thing for bald men like Big Z & Hunter considering you are going bald yourself.

my hand to god and may all my valuable cards burn in a fire with me in the house and i die tonight if i'm lying


i would rather have had big Z from 05 to 07 than odom. i honestly think he compliments kobe better and kobe would compliment him better and it would be a lesser version of him and pau but at the same time a better winning combo than him and odom was

[Axe]

You might get banned again soon, kenny..

[1987_Lakers]

Big Z: 11/9 in the 2nd round . 13/9 in the ECF

Compare that to Lamar who averaged 19/12 in both 2006 & 2007 when we lost. Kobe can't carry the load LeBron does, 2007 isn't even a great example for LeBron either, that would be 2018, what he did in that postseason run shits on anything Kobe ever did as a first option.

[RRR3]

theres only one problem with all those analytics.. they have the guy you want in the top 3 but then you go down the list and see names like chris paul and john stockton and other randoms in the top 10 all time like with VORP and gus johnson with PER and russell outside of the top 100... and with VORP you have kobe ahead of guys like shaq, wilt, magic, bird, hakeem and others you say are ahead of kobe. or with winshares you have kobe over peak shaq in 2001 which shouldnt make sense right.



but whatever has lebron 1st or 2nd right. lets go with that
Impact stats are like RPM and RAPM. They compare players impact based on the roles they play. LeBron grades out much better. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

[HunterSThompson]

Big Z: 11/9 in the 2nd round . 13/9 in the ECF

Compare that to Lamar who averaged 19/12 in both 2006 & 2007 when we lost. Kobe can't carry the load LeBron does, 2007 isn't even a great example for LeBron either, that would be 2018, what he did in that postseason run shits on anything Kobe ever did as a first option.

14ppg, 10rpg on 53% for the first 3 rounds combined*

19ppg, 11rpg on 60% in the first round

don't care about the 2nd round cause hughes averaged 18ppg the first 4 games of that series. and vs detroit gibson stepped up with 14ppg

the problem is almost never that lebron has no help. its that he has too much help so the others have to take turns sharing the left overs and it makes their combined averages all look crappy like with the miami title teams

[1987_Lakers]

my hand to god and may all my valuable cards burn in a fire with me in the house and i die tonight if i'm lying


i would rather have had big Z from 05 to 07 than odom. i honestly think he compliments kobe better and kobe would compliment him better and it would be a lesser version of him and pau but at the same time a better winning combo than him and odom was

That's all cool and all, but Kobe was at his peak in '06 & '07, making his 1st round exits even more embarrassing, LeBron was only a puppy at that time. Once LeBron hit his peak in 2009 he was taking his teams to deep playoff runs, with an old and past prime Big Z mind you.

[HunterSThompson]

Impact stats are like RPM and RAPM. They compare players impact based on the roles they play. LeBron grades out much better. Facts don’t care about your feelings.

just looked it up. chris paul and james harden are top 10 all time. nice... got any others

[1987_Lakers]

14ppg, 10rpg on 53% for the first 3 rounds combined*


And how exactly is that better than Odom's 19/12 production? Kobe had a better 2nd option and still blew a 3-1 lead. lol.

[HunterSThompson]

That's all cool and all, but Kobe was at his peak in '06 & '07, making his 1st round exits even more embarrassing, LeBron was only a puppy at that time. Once LeBron hit his peak in 2009 he was taking his teams to deep playoff runs, with an old and past prime Big Z mind you.

this is what separates kobe fans from lebron fans. you see i would never in my life brag about something like that

when kobe loses i don't even bring up those playoff years. theyre of no importance. especially if kobe were to ever get eliminated by dwight howard.

i don't think i've ever bragged about how far kobe got in the playoffs unless it meant a championship at the end

reminiscing about some big scoring games in the regular season ok. but i've never been like "hey guess how many points kobe averaged vs the suns in 06 and you should see his shooting stats from the 50 point game he lost too"


but thats basically what you guys do with lebron all the time. its shameless and off putting. it shows me even more than you were never a laker fan cause they don't hang division or conference banners. but you love that shit. you probly ordered a cavs eastern conference champs shirt when your idol got to his first finals and failed miserably

[Stephonit]

This thread is one big bait and switch. If you guys want to talk about Kobe and LeBron put their names in the title so I can avoid the thread.

[HunterSThompson]

And how exactly is that better than Odom's 19/12 production? Kobe had a better 2nd option and still blew a 3-1 lead. lol.

listen you stupid mother f*cker. i'm about done here but i'l try my best to enlighten you one last time


your "entire playoff average" for odom is ONE F*CKING ROUND ... ROUND 1.... ONE SERIES....


Zydrunas Ilgauskas in ROUND 1 averaged 19ppg on 60%



how on earth can you compare 4 rounds and 20 playoff games overall to odom you stupid f*ck. one more god damn idiotic take and i swear you're on ignore

[1987_Lakers]

this is what separates kobe fans from lebron fans. you see i would never in my life brag about something like that

when kobe loses i don't even bring up those playoff years. theyre of no importance. especially if kobe were to ever get eliminated by dwight howard.

i don't think i've ever bragged about how far kobe got in the playoffs unless it meant a championship at the end

reminiscing about some big scoring games in the regular season ok. but i've never been like "hey guess how many points kobe averaged vs the suns in 06 and you should see his shooting stats from the 50 point game he lost too"


but thats basically what you guys do with lebron all the time. its shameless and off putting. it shows me even more than you were never a laker fan cause they don't hang division or conference banners. but you love that shit. you probly ordered a cavs eastern conference champs shirt when your idol got to his first finals and failed miserably

You don't brag about it because Kobe never had the ability to lead his team that far into the playoffs without a hall of fame teammate in his prime, if he did you would be the first to brag.

[1987_Lakers]

listen you stupid mother f*cker. i'm about done here but i'l try my best to enlighten you one last time


your "entire playoff average" for odom is ONE F*CKING ROUND ... ROUND 1.... ONE SERIES....


Zydrunas Ilgauskas in ROUND 1 averaged 19ppg on 60%



how on earth can you compare 4 rounds and 20 playoff games overall to odom you stupid f*ck. one more god damn idiotic take and i swear you're on ignore

Big Z put up 13/9 in the ECF but LeBron still got past the Pistons, that is role player production. Peak Kobe had a sidekick produce 19/12 and he still blew a 3-1 lead. Pathetic.

What a meltdown.

[HunterSThompson]

You don't brag about it because Kobe never had the ability to lead his team that far into the playoffs without a hall of fame teammate in his prime, if he did you would be the first to brag.

thats it you're on ignore



the list of 1. imagine being that much a moron. you literally just tried saying Kobe isn't good enough to lead his team to a conference finals loss

go f*ck yourself man seriously. you're not a good troll. just annoying. other people here are waaaay dumber but at least they have some witt or class

[HunterSThompson]

Big Z put up 13/9 in the ECF but LeBron still got past the Pistons, that is role player production. Peak Kobe had a sidekick produce 19/12 and he still blew a 3-1 lead. Pathetic.

What a meltdown.

bye coon

[1987_Lakers]

https://media4.giphy.com/media/TL2Yr3ioe78tO/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611b189edaaa0fb23bdd63905701d69 fde7251634a8&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g


:roll:

[HunterSThompson]

https://i.ibb.co/h7g70N0/Screen-Shot-2021-11-16-at-12-28-29-AM.png

https://voca.ro/1nRUtJtcajBT

[1987_Lakers]

I don't know what it is about me, but Kenny always seems to have a meltdown when debating me.

[RRR3]

Kenny has legit been crying about LeBron being better than Kobe for almost 15 years.

[HunterSThompson]

https://i.ibb.co/NYg0v3M/Screen-Shot-2021-11-16-at-12-36-13-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/ckQYX2w/Screen-Shot-2021-11-16-at-12-36-20-AM.png

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https://voca.ro/14vh8xrX5xuN

:roll:

[RRR3]

https://i.ibb.co/NYg0v3M/Screen-Shot-2021-11-16-at-12-36-13-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/ckQYX2w/Screen-Shot-2021-11-16-at-12-36-20-AM.png

https://i.ibb.co/cCVnh0W/Screen-Shot-2021-11-16-at-12-36-27-AM.png

https://voca.ro/14vh8xrX5xuN

:roll:
He destroyed you so bad you had to put him on ignore :yaohappy:

[HunterSThompson]

He destroyed you so bad you had to put him on ignore :yaohappy:

yup. he got me with the "kobe wasn't good enough to lose like lebron" comment


LOL

what a way to go out

[RRR3]

:mad:
:yaohappy:

[1987_Lakers]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/ZP9QaumB9RWuc/giphy.gif?cid=790b7611cccbf7dce7738d3e65e854c83fe0 3cb3e05941eb&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

lol

[SATAN]

https://i.ibb.co/h7g70N0/Screen-Shot-2021-11-16-at-12-28-29-AM.png

https://voca.ro/1nRUtJtcajBT

Meltdown

[HunterSThompson]

:yaohappy:

you're at least normal. fat and obsessive but you don't go overboard with the retard shit.

i've never seen anyone say kobe wasn't good enough to lose like lebron did in the conference finals vs dwight. like kobe didn't beat that same f*ckin magic team and win finals mvp.

amazin

https://c.tenor.com/oOLESD8eQU8AAAAd/jesse-lee-peterson-amazin.gif

[HunterSThompson]

Meltdown

yeah its been building up for a while with this guy. i try to be honest on here and say stuff like lebron is top 10 all time, any version of him from 2012 to 2018 is better than curry. i even had him 5th on my pre season player rankings. and i even bought his rookie card recently because i truly believe he will pass kareem and many people will put him on some kind of god classification for doing it. you see all this stuff is just fun and games for me. but with other people on here theres a scary level of hatred for me and kobe and it goes far beyond basketball. this is a gimmick of mine. lately i've been cheering for the lakers and actually hope he does well. so much so that i bought a 2nd even better looking lebron rookie card just the other day and now have 10 grand invested in this dude. i got a 6 grand luka card and a 3 grand giannis too


i'm a realist. i know lebron is an all time great. i just don't think hes better than kobe and that sends you guys off to the point where some of you say kobe isn't even good enough to lose... forget win titles... LOSE a deep playoff run... this dude legit thinks kobe is worse than dog shit. i can't respect anyone that says that man. this is some disrespectful ignorance

[SATAN]

this dude legit thinks kobe is worse than dog shit. i can't respect anyone that says that man. this is some disrespectful ignorance

Ok but the funny thing is I lurked here for a while before signing up so I was familiar with who you are. Then one day I see you in a random YouTube comment section absolutely shitting on Kobe just after he died in a tragic helicopter accident. Way worse than anything anybody has said on here. It was like reading the comments of a future serial killer.

[HunterSThompson]

Ok but the funny thing is I lurked here for a while before signing up so I was familiar with who you are. Then one day I see you in a random YouTube comment section absolutely shitting on Kobe just after he died in a tragic helicopter accident. Way worse than anything anybody has said on here. It was like reading the comments of a future serial killer.

i didn't shit on kobe. just said he was better off dead cause the media had basically destroyed his legacy and tried burying it forever and i was mostly in shock trying to find the good out of the bad. it was legit like a family member dying when i heard the news from my mom. she called and woke me up and told me. it also tripped me out that i sold his autograph a day before on ebay cause i had given up collecting his stuff since his reputation was trashed so bad that his auto was worth like 100$ raw and his rookies were like 500 bucks. it had been an ongoing joke for sports shows to trash him daily and for his annual 12be ranking that was an ongoing joke among sports columnists. they had done a great job turning fans off. and i still believe the greatest thing that kobe ever did was dying in that helicopter. it made SANE people appreciate his legacy. but it didn't help his case for his super rare critiques on places like ISH and realgm. the lifers. the hand full of people that are basically on the level of the guy that shot john lennon. guys who still 2 years after his death spend every waking moment of their life trashing the man while trying to convince people that its common knowledge lebron is 10 places ahead of kobe all time. if they truly believed that shit they wouldn't be this obsessed. believe me i'm not trashing allen iverson anymore or tmac or vince like i used to 20 years ago... when i know kobe is above a guy i leave that argument in the past. and i even left the jordan argument in the past because i conceded that debate. i'm not that crazy where i would say one thing one minute then do the opposite the next. i do believe both lebron and kobe are a step under jordan and battling to hang onto that "next best guy to ever play" .... i think kobe is 2nd and lebron is 3rd if you don't just go by skills or careers and just go by the respect level players and fans have for these guys.

its silly to think either of lebron or kobe aren't in that near goat stratosphere. i would never say kobe is 10 spots ahead of lebron with a straight face. i think a real argument can be made that both guys are 6th and 7th all time at worst.... to just say lebron is 2nd or goat and kobe is in the mid teens like some of you f*cking idiots do is the reason places like this are almost dead and gone.

your own fear of a dead man is gonna be your own undoing in the end. i know i'm getting sick of this place and i'm the only kobe fan left

[HunterSThompson]

oh really


https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/rockets-james-harden-really-having-best-scoring-season-ever

https://i.ibb.co/5G1j0Wm/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-7-57-53-PM.png

http://analyticsgame.com/nba/super-pace-an-nba-what-if.html


adjusted for pace Kobe has the greatest single season and single game in nba history

https://i.ibb.co/GHCgczc/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-8-00-43-PM.png

case in point. i post this and the reaction is ... " kobe sucks. f*ck you"

like man. you guys gotta put on your big boy pants one of these days


i see a lot of children around here. very few grownups. i'm 37 and looking to talk to some people more my age or intellect. i'm running out of patience

[SATAN]

Jesus Christ, dude. Get a grip.

My fear of a dead man? Show me where I've disrespected Kobe. I might have called him a chucker at worst.

[RRR3]

Jesus Christ, dude. Get a grip.

My fear of a dead man? Show me where I've disrespected Kobe. I might have called him a chucker at worst.
He thinks saying LeBron is better is disrespect lmao

[HunterSThompson]

Jesus Christ, dude. Get a grip.

My fear of a dead man? Show me where I've disrespected Kobe. I might have called him a chucker at worst.

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guys like this are gonna be on here till age 70 saying lebrons 50 places ahead of kobe yet still trashing him daily like they need to remind people why kobes 50 places beneath him... and its all because they know deep down theres still doubt in most peoples minds that lebrons even ahead of kobe yet cause what kobe did in his time and how he did it was more respectable. and they know why but will continue playing dumb about it

[HunterSThompson]

He thinks saying LeBron is better is disrespect lmao

hey if you wanna say lebron is better than kobe go right ahead. its when you list every single other guy from 60 years that had even close to a good enough resume inbetween lebron and kobe because you're an insecure retard. thats when i lose respect for this place. stalkerforlife was a good contributor to ISH and a valued member. he left because he doesn't respect any of you because of sh*t like that. kobes death really hurt him and he wanted to come here and celebrate kobe but he knew some people are still that much of a lowlife scumbag that they would just trash him and belittle his accomplishments in a disingenuous way that isn't honest or truthful to themselves so he knew it would be a waste of his time. in death you celebrate their life. you don't mock it. the hatred should have died with kobe. to fear a dead man to the point where you still treat him like your enemy is a very weak mindset and very off putting to most people. the integrity of ISH is completely gone and basically on the level of realgm at this point. only difference is instead of having to ban every kobe fan they all just walked out on you

[KobeBryant]

I don't know what it is about me, but Kenny always seems to have a meltdown when debating me.

i dunno kid. i just joined ISH for the 2nd time cause i had a problem logging into my old account and from what i see its not like you provided anything relevant or insightful. you just said "he doesn't brag about my failed playoff runs because I never had the ability to lead my team to a deep playoff failure"

you seem like a very lazy poster. maybe he holds you to a higher standard so when you say retarded shit it actually makes him lose faith in this place. i used to lurk and the only things i ever saw that came anywhere close to as idiotic as your post were made by a guy named simon who was confined to a wheel chair

https://www.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTY4MTg5NDQyMzg2NDM4MDE3/kobe-bryant-was-not-pleased-with-his-teammates-victory-celebration.jpg

[8Ball]

You don't brag about it because Kobe never had the ability to lead his team that far into the playoffs without a hall of fame teammate in his prime, if he did you would be the first to brag.

Ouch.

[8Ball]

i dunno kid. i just joined ISH for the 2nd time cause i had a problem logging into my old account and from what i see its not like you provided anything relevant or insightful. you just said "he doesn't brag about my failed playoff runs because I never had the ability to lead my team to a deep playoff failure"

you seem like a very lazy poster. maybe he holds you to a higher standard so when you say retarded shit it actually makes him lose faith in this place. i used to lurk and the only things i ever saw that came anywhere close to as idiotic as your post were made by a guy named simon who was confined to a wheel chair

https://www.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTY4MTg5NDQyMzg2NDM4MDE3/kobe-bryant-was-not-pleased-with-his-teammates-victory-celebration.jpg

Meltdown.


1987_Lakers caused Kenny to shit his brain again.

[8Ball]

Lakers1987
RRR3
8ball
Elitepower
phoenix
steves alts corporation, pip'n'rodman and others


guys like this are gonna be on here till age 70 saying lebrons 50 places ahead of kobe yet still trashing him daily like they need to remind people why kobes 50 places beneath him... and its all because they know deep down theres still doubt in most peoples minds that lebrons even ahead of kobe yet cause what kobe did in his time and how he did it was more respectable. and they know why but will continue playing dumb about it

LeBron is top 2 all time. Kobe is top 12.

Deal with it.

[RRR3]

Kenny mind****ed so bad he has to pretend to be Kobe’s spirit again. Pathetic.

[1987_Lakers]

i dunno kid. i just joined ISH for the 2nd time cause i had a problem logging into my old account and from what i see its not like you provided anything relevant or insightful. you just said "he doesn't brag about my failed playoff runs because I never had the ability to lead my team to a deep playoff failure"

you seem like a very lazy poster. maybe he holds you to a higher standard so when you say retarded shit it actually makes him lose faith in this place. i used to lurk and the only things i ever saw that came anywhere close to as idiotic as your post were made by a guy named simon who was confined to a wheel chair

https://www.si.com/.image/ar_1:1%2Cc_fill%2Ccs_srgb%2Cfl_progressive%2Cq_aut o:good%2Cw_1200/MTY4MTg5NDQyMzg2NDM4MDE3/kobe-bryant-was-not-pleased-with-his-teammates-victory-celebration.jpg

Thought you had me on ignore.

[Phoenix]

:roll::roll:

Didn't take long for the new 'Kobe Bryant' account to surface. ISH is enabling lunacy at this point.

[8Ball]

thats it you're on ignore



the list of 1. imagine being that much a moron. you literally just tried saying Kobe isn't good enough to lead his team to a conference finals loss

go f*ck yourself man seriously. you're not a good troll. just annoying. other people here are waaaay dumber but at least they have some witt or class

Kobe was never good enough to get out of 1st round without another hall of fame teammate in his prime.

[KobeBryant]

Kobe was never good enough to get out of 1st round without another hall of fame teammate in his prime.

lebron couldnt even make the playoffs out west without a hall of fame teammate


and without an allstar level sidekick he never made the playoffs out east.


I not only made the playoffs in the west. I came 1 rebound from eliminating the 2nd seed sun's with the league mvp and I didn't have a sidekick that ever made an allstar game and won't even sniff the hall of fame

"playoff mode activated" for lebeon means 10 straight losses to bottom feeders in the east


"playoff mode activated" for me equals 40 point averages for entire months

lebrons never been able to do anything on his own and that's why he quit on Ilgauskas and Levin love and failed to elevate them to hall of fame status like i did for gasol.

before i got Pau and lebron got love and big Z they were all 1 time allstars at the very least. love made it 3 times before joining lebron in fact.

why was i good enough to turn a 1 time allstar in 7 years into a hall of famer but lebron wasn't good enough to turn a 3 time allstar into one. why did lebron fail them

because 1 title in 11 years is why. 4 finals losses and 2 finals sweeps is why

i never had that kind of consistent failure with another allstar beside me. ever

[RogueBorg]

oh really


https://www.nbcsports.com/philadelphia/nba-insider-tom-haberstroh/rockets-james-harden-really-having-best-scoring-season-ever

https://i.ibb.co/5G1j0Wm/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-7-57-53-PM.png

http://analyticsgame.com/nba/super-pace-an-nba-what-if.html


adjusted for pace Kobe has the greatest single season and single game in nba history

https://i.ibb.co/GHCgczc/Screen-Shot-2021-11-15-at-8-00-43-PM.png

How can the potential all-time leading scorer not have one spot on this list?

[8Ball]

lebron couldnt even make the playoffs out west without a hall of fame teammate


and without an allstar level sidekick he never made the playoffs out east.


I not only made the playoffs in the west. I came 1 rebound from eliminating the 2nd seed sun's with the league mvp and I didn't have a sidekick that ever made an allstar game and won't even sniff the hall of fame

"playoff mode activated" for lebeon means 10 straight losses to bottom feeders in the east


"playoff mode activated" for me equals 40 point averages for entire months

lebrons never been able to do anything on his own and that's why he quit on Ilgauskas and Levin love and failed to elevate them to hall of fame status like i did for gasol.

before i got Pau and lebron got love and big Z they were all 1 time allstars at the very least. love made it 3 times before joining lebron in fact.

why was i good enough to turn a 1 time allstar in 7 years into a hall of famer but lebron wasn't good enough to turn a 3 time allstar into one. why did lebron fail them

because 1 title in 11 years is why. 4 finals losses and 2 finals sweeps is why

i never had that kind of consistent failure with another allstar beside me. ever

Kobe was in his prime and got bounced when Shaq left until a hall of fame teammate in his prime joined him.

LeBron in his prime was winning MVPs in 2009 and 2010 with a box of scraps.

When Kobe got a box of scraps he lost in the first round in his prime.

Neither Kyrie nor Kevin Love will make the hall of fame.

[theman93]

Kobe was in his prime and got bounced when Shaq left until a hall of fame teammate in his prime joined him.

LeBron in his prime was winning MVPs in 2009 and 2010 with a box of scraps.

When Kobe got a box of scraps he lost in the first round in his prime.

Neither Kyrie nor Kevin Love will make the hall of fame.

Lol yes they will

[Axe]

More dups by kenneth.

[theaussieguy]

Curry taking a hot dump over the nets right now :roll:

[Axe]

Curry taking a hot dump over the nets right now :roll:
Goes to show about the nets' lackluster defense :lol

[8Ball]

Lol yes they will

Kevin Love is not making the hall of fame.

He had 2 good career years out of a 13 year career and that was all before Cleveland. Kevin Love would be done in the NBA by now if not for that albatross extension that Dan Gilbert gave him.


Make an argument for Kyrie making the hall of fame. He ain't getting in.

[tontoz]

Pretty sure Durant leads any MVP list. Of course any MVP discussion in mid November is pretty irrelevant anyway.

Curry is well off last year's numbers. I haven't looked at what everyone else is doing but I would think he would be 3rd at best behind Durant and Jokic.

Curry's numbers will be a little closer to Durant's after tonight

:oldlol:

[RRR3]

Curry just took a hot steaming shit on Durant.

[SouBeachTalents]

Talk about a thread backfire. Curry outscores Durant 37-19 despite playing less minutes and taking the same number of shots as Golden State destroys Brooklyn on their home floor

[warriorfan]

Curry taking a hot dump over the nets right now :roll:

:cheers:

[tontoz]

I wonder if Durant is having second thoughts about leaving Curry to join Kyrie. :oldlol:

[SouBeachTalents]

I wonder if Durant is having second thoughts about leaving Curry to join Kyrie. :oldlol:
Durant knew he was getting no credit for those titles and was clearly unhappy on Golden State despite their ridiculous success. Basketball wise it's a horrible decision, but personal/legacy wise it was the right move.

[kawhileonard2]

I wonder if Durant is having second thoughts about leaving Curry to join Kyrie. :oldlol:

He did the same as Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head

[000]

cool story bro

[tontoz]

This thread isn't aging well. :lol

[RRR3]

This thread isn't aging well. :lol
None of his threads do.