On paper, the 17' Warriors demolish the 96' Bulls

[3ba11]

the point is that Kobe did infact reach horry-level, while pippen never did, so only pippen is below Horry for sure.

And Kukoc took over Game 1 (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=29m40s)) and Game 3 (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=37m32s)) of the 96' Finals, while Pippen never dominated any stretch of any Finals... Only Kukoc and MJ had a "modern" game and would be far superior to Pippen in today's era.


Oh shit.. Kukoc took over Game 2 as well (in addition to Games 1 and 3):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=33m52s

[3ba11]

And Kukoc took over Game 1 (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=29m40s)) and Game 3 (here (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=37m32s)) of the 96' Finals, while Pippen never dominated any stretch of any Finals... Only Kukoc and MJ had a "modern" game and would be far superior to Pippen in today's era.







Oh shit.. Kukoc took over Game 2 as well (in addition to Games 1 and 3):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=33m52s





Oh shit... And Pippen tried to lose Game 2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rfAoaAb3Nc0&t=35m30s

[Phoenix]

Kukoc averaged 15.2 on 50% in the 98' Finals, compared to Pippen's 15.7 on 41%



Which would be relevant if the topic of conversation was the 98 Bulls, but it isn't. Or else I could go ahead and say Klay in the 2019 finals averaged 26ppg as a reference point, which has sweet fukk all to do with the 2017 Warriors, but is fair game if you're going to pull the shit you just tried to get through. :oldlol:

Annnyway, 96 Kukoc having two series dropping 7ppg and two dropping 13 and 14ppg means there's as much a chance that he doesn't hit double digits against the Warriors as a chance he does, never mind this fantasy 16ppg number you pulled out of your ass.

[SouBeachTalents]

Which would be relevant if the topic of conversation was the 98 Bulls, but it isn't. Or else I could go ahead and say Klay in the 2019 finals averaged 26ppg as a reference point, which has sweet fukk all to do with the 2017 Warriors, but is fair game if you're going to pull the shit you just tried to get through. :oldlol:

Annnyway, 96 Kukoc having two series dropping 7ppg and two dropping 13 and 14ppg in two other series means there's as much a chance that he doesn't hit double digits against the Warriors as a chance he does. never mind this fantasy 16ppg number you pulled out of your ass.
Bro, just shut the fck up already. 33 year old Jordan's averaging 50 ppg and limiting peak Durant/Curry to 25-27, winning the series while Pippen barely cracks 17 ppg.

[Phoenix]

Bro, just shut the fck up already. 33 year old Jordan's averaging 50 ppg and limiting peak Durant/Curry to 25-27, winning the series while Pippen barely cracks 17 ppg.

I agree. MJ over the entire 2nd 3peat had ONE 50 point game, against the Wizards in 97. But he's going to A V E R A G E that against a team better than any team he faced in the finals, with two of the greatest perimeter scorers ever on the other side PLUS a third option who's at WORST a better defensive version of Reggie Miller. Yep, MJ wins.....easily.

[ShawkFactory]

the player that applies more pressure (the greater offensive attack) has to play less defense as the series wears on because they're wearing down the opponent more than they're getting worn down themselves.

Here's an example... Karl Malone has 20+ series ranging from 26-32 ppg.... But when he played the Bulls, Jordan's onslaught wore him down and left Malone less capacity for offense... So Malone only averaged 24 and 25 against the Bulls on weak efficiency.. He couldn't average 26-32 at the gameflow that Jordan was establishing,

So again, we don't know if Jordan's onslaught (whether it's 30 or 40 ppg) would be sufficient to wear down Durant/blunt his attack, and therefore win the attrition battle - if MJ is getting his career average of 34 and Durant/Curry are on their heels at 25-27, then I like MJ's chances a lot

A slow one?

[HoopsNY]

I WASN'T saying GSW would demolish the Bulls. I THINK it would go seven games. BUT for the BEST SHOT to beat GSW, I still maintain it's gotta be teams that relied on the three ball much more than the Bulls. OR it has to be a Showtime Lakers, Shaq-Kobe Lakers, or Bird's Celtics. Kobe, Bird,and Magic ARE ON THE LEVEL of KD and Steph as players. But the DIFFERENCE IS those teams ALSO have Shaq, Kareem, McHale, Parish, Walton, Worthy, Wilkes, McAdoo, etc. on them. Those frontlines HANDS DOWN have the edge on GSW's frontline. So DESPITE being in a different era and not huge on the three ball, their frontlines IN TANDEM with Bird,Magic, or Kobe could SUPERCEDE what GSW brought to the table

I actually think the opposite. I think Chicago's ability to play small ball is what gives them an advantage as opposed to a team with a big front court.


The Rockets team was a great matchup BECAUSE u had a Harden and CP3. TWO alpha dog caliber scorers. With a wide open Mike D system designed to get up a lot of 3PA. Even they don't shoot great from distance at times, THEY STILL are better than the Bulls EVER WERE at the 3 ball. BECAUSE it was different eras.

You're not wrong, which is why I said IF we're using pre-2005 rules. GS's shooters don't have a free reign on the perimeter when players can bump and hold you.

But I think you're also underrating what Chicago could do as they shot the 3 pointer more. As I mentioned before in an earlier thread, history shows that as volume increases, both teams and individual players tend to shoot better from the distance.

Look at Chicago's numbers based on 3PA in 1996 (irrespective of a shortened line, the trend still remains the same):

-15 3PA (30 games): 39.1%
15+ 3PA (52 games): 40.8%
20+ 3PA (21 games): 42.7%
25+ 3PA (4 games): 43.3%
27+ 3PA (2 games) 46.3%

And I'm not even saying that Chicago shoots well from the distance. I'm saying that it's not a pre-requisite to being able to beat GS with pre-modern rules, and if they do shoot more, then probability says that they stand a good chance at shooting the ball at a better rate.


CP3 STILL averaged 20 PPG in that series. It's not SO MUCH about the PPG for a pass first PG like CP3. ESPECIALLY when u have Harden on the squad. It's MORE ABOUT when he decides to takeover a game, he can do it at the drop of a hat. When it comes to a CP3, Magic, Isiah style pass first PG, YOU KNOW they are alpha dog scorers. IF u know the game.

20 PPG from them and 20 PPG from a Pip is a HUGE DIFFERENCE in mentality. Cause Pip wasn't an alpha dog scorer. Even though Pip was a pass first point forward, HE WASN'T BORN to be a PG like a CP3. The ultimate QB who put SUCH A PREMIUM on being the floor general. So Pip wasn't looking to pass first AS MUCH as a CP3. YET CP3 is WAY MORE FEARED than Pip ever was scoring the rock!

I think you're overrating CP3 here. By 2018, CP3 averaged 19 PPG for his career. He put up 21 PPG in the playoffs up to that point as well. I agree Paul could score at will probably better than Pippen, but I think we're splitting hairs here.

But as far as takeovers are concerned, let's take a look at Paul in the 4th quarter:

Game 1 (Loss): 8 pts | 3-5 FGs
Game 2 (Win): 2 pts | 1-3 FGs
Game 3 (Loss): 0 pts | 0-1 FGs
Game 4 (Win): 8 pts | 3-7 FGs
Game 5 (Win): 7 pts | 3-7 FGs

I'm not seeing where this alpha scorer existed who could take over in a big moment given this sample of what actually happened vs. GS, especially when this was the only WCF Paul had played up to that point.

Is it possible Paul can take over? Sure. But is that what actually happened? Not really.

[3ba11]

A slow one?


Facing the Jordan GameFlow entailed defending a ton of ball movement and having to consistently double-team Jordan, which decimates a team's defensive rebounding, according to Jeff Van Gundy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Xz4K42gXM&t=192s


So playing Jordan was an all-consuming affair - his AUTOMATIC-NESS in iso situations caused teams to pick their poison (double jordan and cripple your team, or let him score 1-on-1)..

when you watch jordan, look at the times that he's off-ball and is moving without the ball and then catches it - look how QUICKLY he shreds the defender.. chews him up within seconds...

the triangle required quick bailouts throughout the game WITHOUT ball-domination, so Jordan's quick pure scoring instinct and fundamentals gave the triangle championship capability.

[ShawkFactory]

Facing the Jordan GameFlow entailed defending a ton of ball movement and having to consistently double-team Jordan, which decimates a team's defensive rebounding, according to Jeff Van Gundy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G2Xz4K42gXM&t=192s


So playing Jordan was an all-consuming affair - his AUTOMATIC-NESS in iso situations caused teams to pick their poison (double jordan and cripple your team, or let him score 1-on-1)..

when you watch jordan, look at the times that he's off-ball and is moving without the ball and then catches it - look how QUICKLY he shreds the defender

Are you actually trying to say to someone that double-teaming can get teams out of their rhythm defensively :lol

God and you try to say other people analyze shit like Skip Bayless.

That doesn't have anything to do with why Malone scored a couple points less against the Bulls than several series he had against lesser teams.

[HoopsNY]

Are you actually trying to say to someone that double-teaming can get teams out of their rhythm defensively :lol

God and you try to say other people analyze shit like Skip Bayless.

That doesn't have anything to do with why Malone score a couple points less against the Bulls than several series he had against lesser teams.

Why do you guys even bother responding to him?

[3ba11]

Are you actually trying to say to someone that double-teaming can get teams out of their rhythm defensively :lol

God and you try to say other people analyze shit like Skip Bayless.

That doesn't have anything to do with why Malone score a couple points less against the Bulls than several series he had against lesser teams.


Teams that must defend either 1) zippy ball movement and/or 2) consistent double-teaming on every possession

will have a tougher physical and mental burden with more room to make mistakes than defending ball-domination and single coverage..

Since defending Jordan triangles required both of these things, Malone must use greater defensive effort against the Bulls than any other team, hence his lower offensive output (playing below his top caliber).

Accordingly, guys like Durant and Curry will face the same onslaught of ball movement or double-teaming decisions and therefore be on their heels like Malone was (losing the attrition battle), and therefore incapable of playing their best on offense..

Meanwhile, Klay's 16 ppg in the Finals alongside KD (17' and 18') will be matched by Kukoc, who was a superior prodigious talent that had dominant stretches in the 96' and 98' Finals.

[ShawkFactory]

Why do you guys even bother responding to him?

I know.

[3ba11]

I know.


Stop pretending.. We already know that the Bulls moved the ball well and ranked well in team assists, and I literally proved to you (through Van Gundy's quotes) that Jordan's command of double-teams decimated an opponent's defensive rebounding and created more decisions/opportunity for defensive error.

These factors wear down Malone more than defending other teams, which gives Malone less capacity for offense, hence his lower numbers versus the Bulls..

Durant and Curry would face this same uphill challenge of defending Jordan's onslaught and gameflow (zippy ball movement, double-team decisions) without getting worn out too much to apply sufficient pressure themselves (attrition battle).. This would be completely different and far harder than defending Lebron's ball-domination, which the Warriors eventually blew the doors off of.

Again, if Jordan is geting his normal 34 ppg average or more, while Durant/Curry are on their heels with 25-27 each, then I like MJ's chances a lot.. We would only need like 17 from Pippen and Kukoc to match Klay's 16 ppg output that he has in Finals alongside KD (17' and 18').

[HoopsNY]

I know.

I notice that I often times respond (albeit with rather lengthy responses), and no one responds. 3ball says some dumb sh!t and everyone responds. Like, really? lol

[3ba11]

I notice that I often times respond (albeit with rather lengthy responses), and no one responds. 3ball says some dumb sh!t and everyone responds. Like, really? lol


It's dumb to say that Malone expended more energy defending Jordan's zippy ball movement and double-team decisions, which left him less capacity for offense, hence the lesser numbers versus the Bulls?

That's literally exactly what happens - you guys don't realize that I'm basically saying that it was a step up in competition for Malone, and guys normally play a little worse in that spot - defending Jordan is a step up in comp and it's tough to keep fighting when you're getting overwhelmed by ball movement and double-team decisions that weaken you on the glass (according to Van Gundy).

[RRR3]

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:roll:

[HoopsNY]

It's dumb to say that Malone expended more energy defending Jordan's zippy ball movement and double-team decisions, which left him less capacity for offense, hence the lesser numbers versus the Bulls?

That's literally exactly what happens - you guys don't realize that I'm basically saying that it was a step up in competition for Malone, and guys normally play a little worse in that spot - defending Jordan is a step up in comp and it's tough to keep fighting when you're getting overwhelmed by ball movement and double-team decisions that weaken you on the glass (according to Van Gundy).

You make good points here and there. But you discredit yourself more often than not by continuously posting troll threads and obsessive comments about Pippen and LeBron. In addition, you're not actually open to anyone's analysis. So you only have yourself to blame.

[Phoenix]

Meanwhile, Klay's 16 ppg in the Finals alongside KD (17' and 18') will be matched by Kukoc, who was a superior prodigious talent that had dominant stretches in the 96' and 98' Finals.

As I said above, Kukoc never averaged 16ppg at any point in 1996. Not for the season, not for any individual playoff series. He in fact had two series where he averaged like 7ppg. And spare us 'well he dropped 15ppg in the 98 finals'. There's neither 1) 16ppg or 2) relevant to the 96 Bulls. When did Kukoc drop 41 points in a playoff game like Klay did against the Thunder in 2016? I can cherrypick too. You'll continue to get called out on blatant lies.

So while this has been boiled down to a 5 years olds conversation on PPGzzzzzzzzzz, how much MJ/Pippen/Kukoc would average compared to KD/Curry/Klay........ who on the 96 Bulls is matching what Draymond produced in 2017, 13ppg as the 4th scorer in the playoffs? The Bulls 4th playoff scorer was Ron Harper at 9ppg. What made up numbers will be assigned for this one? What about 'Ron Harper averaged 18ppg in the 93 playoffs so he'll magically do that in the 96 playoffs cause reasons.' Any guess what other bullshit awaits us?

[Phoenix]

I notice that I often times respond (albeit with rather lengthy responses), and no one responds. 3ball says some dumb sh!t and everyone responds. Like, really? lol

I look at your posts, some stuff I may agree with, some I may not, but the stuff I disagree with may just be a different interpretation of the data and ultimately isn't worth much effort going back and forth past a point. I may just be like 'hmmm ok, that's how you see it. I don't necessarily feel the need to argue all that much.' For one, the numbers you post I can confidently say weren't contrived and thus don't need to be called out. You've developed that rep as a solid, good faith poster. Compared to.....

3nut who says shit like 'Klay averaged 16ppg in 2017 and 2018 finals so that will be matched by Kukoc averaging16ppg'........when did 1996 Kukoc average 16ppg? During the season? No. For any series in 96? Nope! So you're basically calling him out on literal lies, then he moves the goalpost to 'well Kukoc in the 98 finals averaged blah blah blah'. Completely distorted and intellectually dishonest nonsense that fortunately for him, ISH has no standard for posting and just goes with whatever shit gets the most clicks, never mind that enough decent posters have left over the years that the forum is now upheld mostly by alts. At this point I'm almost convinced he's one of the admins.

[97 bulls]

As I said above, Kukoc never averaged 16ppg at any point in 1996. Not for the season, not for any individual playoff series. He in fact had two series where he averaged like 7ppg. And spare us 'well he dropped 15ppg in the 98 finals'. There's neither 1) 16ppg or 2) relevant to the 96 Bulls. When did Kukoc drop 41 points in a playoff game like Klay did against the Thunder in 2016? I can cherrypick too. You'll continue to get called out on blatant lies.

So while this has been boiled down to a 5 years olds conversation on PPGzzzzzzzzzz, how much MJ/Pippen/Kukoc would average compared to KD/Curry/Klay........ who on the 96 Bulls is matching what Draymond produced in 2017, 13ppg as the 4th scorer in the playoffs? The Bulls 4th playoff scorer was Ron Harper at 9ppg. What made up numbers will be assigned for this one? What about 'Ron Harper averaged 18ppg in the 93 playoffs so he'll magically do that in the 96 playoffs cause reasons.' Any guess what other bullshit awaits us?

That's one sided analysis bro. And again not a gain comparison. You're comparing the points scores I'm this current generation to the points scored in the 90s. A much slower league. As a counter argument, I could say the Bulls gave up 93ppg which would've made them 1st in that category in 2017. You guys can't handicap one side over the other.

I'd like to ask you Phoenix, what would the Bulls ppg look like if they played in 2017?

[HoopsNY]

I look at your posts, some stuff I may agree with, some I may not, but the stuff I disagree with may just be a different interpretation of the data and ultimately isn't worth much effort going back and forth past a point. I may just be like 'hmmm ok, that's how you see it. I don't necessarily feel the need to argue all that much.' For one, the numbers you post I can confidently say weren't contrived and thus don't need to be called out. You've developed that rep as a solid, good faith poster. Compared to.....

3nut who says shit like 'Klay averaged 16ppg in 2017 and 2018 finals so that will be matched by Kukoc averaging16ppg'........when did 1996 Kukoc average 16ppg? During the season? No. For any series in 96? Nope! So you're basically calling him out on literal lies, then he moves the goalpost to 'well Kukoc in the 98 finals averaged blah blah blah'. Completely distorted and intellectually dishonest nonsense that fortunately for him, ISH has no standard for posting and just goes with whatever shit gets the most clicks, never mind that enough decent posters have left over the years that the forum is now upheld mostly by alts. At this point I'm almost convinced he's one of the admins.

Yea I get you.

[HoopsNY]

That's one sided analysis bro. And again not a gain comparison. You're comparing the points scores I'm this current generation to the points scored in the 90s. A much slower league. As a counter argument, I could say the Bulls gave up 93ppg which would've made them 1st in that category in 2017. You guys can't handicap one side over the other.

I'd like to ask you Phoenix, what would the Bulls ppg look like if they played in 2017?

Excellent question. We saw Chicago put up 110 PPG in 1991 and 1992. With shooters like BJ, Paxson, Hodges, MJ, and Pippen, then there's no reason to think that they wouldn't be lighting it up in this era as well.

The '96 team averaged over 105 PPG. All these teams were leaders in three point shooting. I think it's safe to say that they average between 110-115 a game, maybe even 120 a game if we're talking about peak MJ.

[Phoenix]

That's one sided analysis bro. And again not a gain comparison. You're comparing the points scores I'm this current generation to the points scored in the 90s. A much slower league. As a counter argument, I could say the Bulls gave up 93ppg which would've made them 1st in that category in 2017. You guys can't handicap one side over the other.

I'd like to ask you Phoenix, what would the Bulls ppg look like if they played in 2017?

I'm actually just playing off 3balls PPG logic, so that take isn't really intended to be a serious one. With 3ball the only way to counter him is turning his logic against him. Bear in mind that 3ball himself argues that Pippen averaged 17ppg in the 2nd 3peat, but wouldn't scale that number up if the Bulls played in 2017, because of his anti-Pippen agenda. He takes the position that Scottie would avg exactly the same numbers in 96 and 17,while dialing MJ's numbers all the way up to compensate.

To answer your question, the Bulls would score more in 2017, just as the Warriors would score less in 1996. Era-specific pace is of course a consideration, including rules. What really isn't up for debate is that the Warriors have more raw firepower than anyone Chicago faced or was designed to defend. I don't really consider hypotheticals like this fair to either team, because each team was built for a specific era.

[Phoenix]

Excellent question. We saw Chicago put up 110 PPG in 1991 and 1992. With shooters like BJ, Paxson, Hodges, MJ, and Pippen, then there's no reason to think that they wouldn't be lighting it up in this era as well.

The '96 team averaged over 105 PPG. All these teams were leaders in three point shooting. I think it's safe to say that they average between 110-115 a game, maybe even 120 a game if we're talking about peak MJ.

If we want to just plop the 96 Bulls into 2017, the team would be like all the rest of the league, taking 30 threes or whatever the current league average is. Which is why I don't care for these discussions, because bringing an older team into a newer era that plays totally different is a distinct disadvantage.

[97 bulls]

If we want to just plop the 96 Bulls into 2017, the team would be like all the rest of the league, taking 30 threes or whatever the current league average is. Which is why I don't care for these discussions, because bringing an older team into a newer era that plays totally different is a distinct disadvantage.

I couldn't have said it better. But people do it, but want to do it without context. Even if we're going by sheer numbers. The Bulls with their 87-13 regular season and playoff record is still the greatest team ever. By every metric, the 96 Bulls ate statically the greatest team ever. But then, stats no longer is the end all be all, then context has to be the ruler. It's a very inconsistent argument.

I always say, the Bulls are the GOAT Team. And to me, their best argument is the fact that they are the metric that all other teams past and present have been judged.

[97 bulls]

Excellent question. We saw Chicago put up 110 PPG in 1991 and 1992. With shooters like BJ, Paxson, Hodges, MJ, and Pippen, then there's no reason to think that they wouldn't be lighting it up in this era as well.

The '96 team averaged over 105 PPG. All these teams were leaders in three point shooting. I think it's safe to say that they average between 110-115 a game, maybe even 120 a game if we're talking about peak MJ.

It's not only safe, you have to say it. We can't just discount what they were relative to their era. How fast would Jesse Owens be if he was put in today's era with modern technology etc? I remember putting on my dad's tracks shoes from when he ran track in the 70s. They felt like cement bricks lool.

[HoopsNY]

It's not only safe, you have to say it. We can't just discount what they were relative to their era. How fast would Jesse Owens be if he was put in today's era with modern technology etc? I remember putting on my dad's tracks shoes from when he ran track in the 70s. They felt like cement bricks lool.

It's interesting you mention Jesse Owens. Did you see the TedTalk about comparing him to Usain Bolt?

[97 bulls]

It's interesting you mention Jesse Owens. Did you see the TedTalk about comparing him to Usain Bolt?

Yes I did

[Taurus]

You'd think Jordan dominated basketball the way Gretzky dominated hockey with the way OP refers to him

[3ba11]

You'd think Jordan dominated basketball the way Gretzky dominated hockey with the way OP refers to him


10 straight scoring titles and 5 ppg more than all the best scorers in playoff history, with better efficiency per possession (ortg) and top 5 DPOY every year?

Sounds like Gretzky to me

[SouBeachTalents]

10 straight scoring titles and 5 ppg more than all the best scorers in playoff history, with better efficiency per possession (ortg) and top 5 DPOY every year?

Sounds like Gretzky to me
Nah, Gretzky dominates the record book in a way no other athlete does in any of the Big 4 spots. He & Brady have stronger arguments as GOAT in their sport than Jordan does.

[RRR3]

Nah, Gretzky dominates the record book in a way no other athlete does in any of the Big 4 spots. He & Brady have stronger arguments as GOAT in their sport than Jordan does.
Made even funnier when you remember his real GOAT pick is Kobe lmfao

[3ba11]

Nah, Gretzky dominates the record book in a way no other athlete does in any of the Big 4 spots. He & Brady have stronger arguments as GOAT in their sport than Jordan does.


Jordan owns all the record books too, for production rate

Career totals mean nothing...

Ultimately, neither Brady nor Gretzky carried their team like Jordan.. Gretzky played on all-star teams and Brady plays football (more team game)

[RRR3]

Jordan owns all the record books too, for production rate

Career totals mean nothing...

Ultimately, neither Brady nor Gretzky carried their team like Jordan.. Gretzky played on all-star teams and Brady plays football (more team game)
Petrified to make the argument for your real GOAT Kobe. You know his GOAT case is embarassing lmfao.

[3ba11]

Petrified to make the argument for your real GOAT Kobe. You know his GOAT case is embarassing lmfao.


Kobe was in a dimension that we can't comprehend

He grew up in Italy and speaks fluent Italian, Spanish and Slovenian apparently

His mental toughness was unmatched - if only his prime coincided with today's Twitter world to give him unending motivation

If only Kobe's prime coincided with today's offensive format where the ball-handler is supposed to KEEP the ball after crossing halfcourt and gets to make all the decisions against an open paint.

Ultimately, it comes down to the basketball - the entire game must slow to a crawl into a beginner format of ball-dominance for Lebron to get 30, while Kobe's 30 occurs via jumpshooting so the ball moves (best strategy) and there's good teammate fits, hence the superior team ceilings/Finals record

[RRR3]

Kobe was in a dimension that we can't comprehend

He grew up in Italy and speaks fluent Italian, Spanish and Slovenian apparently

His mental toughness was unmatched - if only his prime coincided with today's Twitter world to give him unending motivation

If only Kobe's prime coincided with today's offensive format where the ball-handler is supposed to KEEP the ball after crossing halfcourt and gets to make all the decisions against an open paint.

Ultimately, it comes down to the basketball - the entire game must slow to a crawl into a beginner format of ball-dominance for Lebron to get 30, while Kobe's 30 occurs via jumpshooting so the ball moves (best strategy) and there's good teammate fits, hence the superior team ceilings/Finals record
The Lakers are 3rd in pace :yaohappy:

[3ba11]

The Lakers are 3rd in pace :yaohappy:


On what planet can ball-domination win at that pace against superior jumpshooting and zippy ball movement?.. Ball-dominators need to slow it down, not speed up.. smh.. when did Lebron ever win at anything other than a SLOW pace?

No wonder the Lakers are a horrible team - low IQ hoopers and strategy

Ultimately, Lebron didn't understand basketball enough to know that he couldn't fit with Westbrook.

obviously he isn't the sharpest tool in the shed eh?.. Needs to read ish to learn about BRAND OF BASKETBALL, or the inherent suboptimal-ness of frontcourt ball-dominance (2 point guard lineups) and how it couldn't possibly fit with Westbrook (literally the worst-possible fit)

[ShawkFactory]

The Lakers are 3rd in pace :yaohappy:

Cue the goal post movement!