2022 off season Post Gobert. A new era begins

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:cry:

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Adrian Wojnarowski: The Jazz gathered six first-round picks in the past 24 hours, including 7-footer Walker Kessler, the 22nd overall pick in the 2022 Draft. The Jazz plan to retool the roster around All-Star G Donovan Mitchell (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)

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According to ESPN’s Adrian Wojnarowski, the Jazz are sending Gobert to the Timberwolves for Malik Beasley, Patrick Beverley, Jarred Vanderbilt, Leandro Balmaro, and rookie Walker Kessler.
The Timberwolves will also send the Jazz four future first-round picks, including unprotected picks in 2023, 2025, and 2027, and a top-five protected pick in 2029.

Mitchell/Butler
Walker-Alexander
Balmaro/Juang
Vanderbilt
Udoka/Kessler

I'm assuming they will unload all the vets. Can't see keeping them with Gobert gone

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/1/23191914/rudy-gobert-traded-to-the-minnesota-timberwolves-for-multiple-players-first-round-picks-free-agency


Make no mistake, this is an enormous haul for Rudy - essentially five first-round picks, three young prospects (Beasley, Vanderbilt, and Bolmaro), and Patrick Beverley. It makes sense that roster spots had to be cleared to take on these players and so the team had to trade away Royce (https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2022/6/30/23190181/the-jazz-trade-forward-royce-oneale-to-the-nets-for-a-2023-first-round-pick), waive Hernangomez, and not make qualifying offers (https://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2022/6/30/23190837/utah-jazz-dont-free-agency-eric-paschall-trent-forrest-waive-juancho-hernangomez-donovan-mitchell) to Eric Paschall and Trent Forrest. While some viewed Gobert and his contract as potentially hard to trade, Danny Ainge and co. have worked their magic to restock the Utah Jazz’s cupboard.

I think you can have up to 20 guys right now. They were getting rid of guys because they are blowing it up



The Jazz are retooling, not rebuilding https://t.co/cQ6b8maFgA

— Tony Jones (@Tjonesonthenba) July 1, 2022 (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1542966939554807808?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


good luck with that! They just became one of the worst defensive teams in the league. They have never won without Gobert in the past 7 plus years


Posted this in another article, but per a NYP article on the Gobert trade: “Several reports on Friday indicated Utah is interested in Suns center Deandre Ayton, a restricted free agent, which would confirm that they don’t plan on tearing down.”



A young excellent offensive big with room to grow on defense with a new coach kinda sounds great after Rudy’s tenure…

I don't think you're going anywhere with Ayton/Mitchell on max deals

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Ben Anderson: Honestly Rudy Gobert was a pleasure to cover, though (https://*********.com/social/). He was always honest, thoughtful, and respectful. Not to mention he’s probably the third best player in @Utah Jazz history. Definitely hope he finds success and happiness with Minnesota.

– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)



probably? :lol

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looks like probably around 4 million off the tax as well

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Danny Ainge is gonna Danny Ainge!

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Danny Ainge is gonna Danny Ainge!

yeah I'm sure he will be sleeping a lot better with visions of unprotected picks in his head

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Andy Larsen: FWIW: I’m hearing some pushback regarding the idea that the Jazz are definitely keeping Donovan Mitchell moving forward. Sense is that the Jazz are keeping their options open here: they could retool around Mitchell, or trade him for a massive haul to jumpstart a rebuild. In particular, watch Miami. Obviously, Kevin Durant is their No. 1 target, but if that doesn’t work out, they have been and will continue to be aggressive re: Donovan Mitchell (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter andyblarsen (https://twitter.com/andyblarsen)

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I think Herro might be better than Mitchell if he gets the chance. I'd want Bam though!

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Certainly wasn't surprising that Minny got him after looking at all the assets they had in the trade machine

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https://www.nba.com/draft/2022/prospects/walker-kessler


• Measured standing 7-foot-1 in shoes with a 256-pound frame and a 7-foot-6 wingspan at the 2022 NBA Draft Combine, Kessler has very good size for a center. His combination of mobility, timing, and his 9-foot-5 standing reach made him a presence around the rim on both ends as a sophomore.



Not quite Rudy length but like Udoka before him it sounds like he has Gobert like potential but so do lots of guys and most haven't come close

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Leandro Bolmaro is Argentinian/Italian. I was a fan of that first generation Ginobi, Scola, Nocioni. Good size. Still young. Must like him because there were a lot of other young guys they probably could have gotten instead

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https://zonecoverage.com/2022/timberwolves/where-does-leandro-bolmaro-fit-in-wolves-future/

this is probably a good scouting report from one of the Wolves writers


Bolmaro is a versatile wing who provides Minnesota with the varied skill set that all NBA teams are looking for. We saw it for glimpses this year and to varying effect, but at 6’6″, Bolmaro can handle the ball. While he may never develop into a primary ballhandler, Bolmaro can be a secondary playmaker and reset the offense when a play breaks down. He’s probably a more natural small forward, which fits right into Minnesota’s roster construction. The only other true small forward on the roster is Jake Layman (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/laymaja01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), even if Jaden McDaniels is probably (https://zonecoverage.com/2022/timberwolves/jaden-mcdaniels-wolves-fourth-star/) the Wolves’ (tall) small forward of the future.



sounds like Quin's type of player anyway


Bolmaro struggled with his jumper as a rookie, shooting a sub-par 27.1 percent from three in 11 G League games (https://stats.gleague.nba.com/player/1630195/). However, he flashed some promise as a reliable three-point shooter before Minnesota drafted him 23rd overall in 2020. During his two-year stint with FC Barcelona, a teenage Bolmaro hit 41 percent of his threes (https://www.basketball-reference.com/international/players/leandro-bolmaro-1.html), albeit on a very small sample size (35-for-85). Furthermore, it’s promising to see that Bolmaro has a feathery touch from the free-throw line. In his international career, he shot 84 percent from the charity stripe, 90 percent in the G League, and almost 85 percent (11-13) in the NBA. Again, it’s a small sample size, but it shows that he has a good shooting base to build off of. He has the tools to become a good shooter at all levels in the NBA.



looks like he's potentially a good shooter. Probably won't have much value without it!

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Vanderbilt looks like a good rebounder and maybe defender? Not a good shooter. Kessler and the 3 unprotected picks look like the biggest part of the deal

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The Jazz sent Rudy Gobert to Minnesota in a deal that netted Utah four future first-round picks and 2022 first-round pick Walker Kessler, per ESPN. Reports from The Athletic and ESPN stated that Utah has no plans to trade Mitchell and would retool its roster around Donovan Mitchell. But there is some skepticism about Utah’s long-term plans in the wake of the Gobert trade. Several teams still view Mitchell as attainable for the right return (https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-knicks-hesitant-trade-picks-necessary-donovan-mitchell).
– via SportsNet New York (https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-knicks-hesitant-trade-picks-necessary-donovan-mitchell)




People in touch with the Knicks prior to the draft said the club was wary of trading the combination of picks and players that it would take to land a player like Mitchell. (https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-knicks-hesitant-trade-picks-necessary-donovan-mitchell) The thinking, according to people in touch with the club at the time, was that there wouldn’t be enough left on the roster to field a contending team.
– via SportsNet New York (https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-knicks-hesitant-trade-picks-necessary-donovan-mitchell)






If Utah decides to trade Mitchell, Miami is certainly a team to watch. The Heat’s situation is complicated by the club’s pursuit of Kevin Durant (according to a source, several people were lobbying Durant on behalf of Miami on Thursday and Friday in the wake of his trade request out of Brooklyn) (https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-knicks-hesitant-trade-picks-necessary-donovan-mitchell).
– via SportsNet New York (https://www.sny.tv/articles/sources-knicks-hesitant-trade-picks-necessary-donovan-mitchell)

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Nick Nurse started his four NBA players Friday: (https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/gilgeous-alexander-pours-32-points-012648522.html) Gilgeous-Alexander, who received loud applause from his hometown crowd at what used to be Copps Coliseum, Nickeil Alexander-Walker (Utah Jazz), Dwight Powell (Dallas Mavericks), and Olynyk (Detroit Pistons), plus national team mainstay Melvin Ejim.
– via The Canadian Press @ Yahoo! Sports (https://ca.sports.yahoo.com/news/gilgeous-alexander-pours-32-points-012648522.html)

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https://twitter.com/rudygobert27/status/1543097819178815488?cxt=HHwWgMCq3c7Sl-oqAAAA

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At the same time, the sources say, the Jazz saw Gobert’s super-max contract as a hindrance. (https://theathletic.com/3396392/2022/07/01/jazz-timberwolves-rudy-gobert-trade/) Utah’s current core reached its peak as a second-round playoff team, and Ainge thought it needed to move Gobert to break free from that. Other teams were interested, and other packages were available. Once Minnesota’s offer swelled to four firsts, a pick swap, plus Kessler, whom the Timberwolves drafted at No. 22 in the first round of the 2022 draft, the Jazz believed it was time to move, McDaniels or no McDaniels.

– via Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3396392/2022/07/01/jazz-timberwolves-rudy-gobert-trade/)




wanted McDaniels. I don't agree that they peaked. Needed a coaching change after the bubble. Tweek the roster. Had Stockston and Malone peaked in '95?

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https://kslsports.com/489063/what-are-jazz-getting-in-walker-kessler/


Defensively he’ll have to be used in drop coverage which has fallen out of fashion in the NBA, but he simply doesn’t move his feet or hips well enough to defend on the perimeter.



this would be the reason he's not an NBA starter or the next Gobert

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/1/22996921/breaking-down-the-rudy-gobert-trade-and-what-it-means-for-the-utah-jazz-nba-analysis-timberwolves


There’s been quite a bit of buzz around the league about the Jazz having interest in Phoenix’s DeAndre Ayton, and there’s a faction that believes the Jazz are trying to get into talks with the Nets on acquiring Kevin Durant, who requested a trade on Thursday. There are also teams that would be more than happy to make a deal for Mitchell.



Can't see Durant wanting to play here without Gobert or Mitchell!

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/1/22996921/breaking-down-the-rudy-gobert-trade-and-what-it-means-for-the-utah-jazz-nba-analysis-timberwolves



Can't see Durant wanting to play here without Gobert or Mitchell!



The Jazz had one of the bigger pick deficits in the NBA as recently as Wednesday. They were out two picks due to win-now trades made by Dennis Lindsey, but they’d also traded young players like Grayson Allen and Trey Lyles soon after picking them. Some of those trades were absolutely warranted, but the totality of the strategy made Utah one of the NBA’s oldest teams. Yet in the past 24 hours or so, they’ve managed to add a total of six first-round picks: an unprotected Philadelphia pick from a fairly combustible 76ers team in the Royce O’Neale trade with Brooklyn, four first-rounders from the Timberwolves here, a swap in 2026 and Walker Kessler, who just went No. 22 overall in the 2022 NBA Draft. That’s one of the bigger asset turnarounds in recent league history. — Sam Quinn





More importantly they became one of the worst teams in the league heading into a historic lottery :(

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/02/utah-jazz-win-rudy-gobert-trade/2/


The downside to the trade is the money situation. Most of these incoming players are under contract until 2024 or 2025, meaning the Jazz will not be able to take a swing at a big free agent anytime soon. Unless they can trade the new assets for picks, they need to pay these guys. That being said, Utah should not be in any rush to acquire picks now, and all but Bomaro and Kessler should be instant impact players.



I'd be surprised if the Jazz pay tax next year. Only around 7 million over after the trade I thinkMost of the vets on the team will be gone by the trade deadline. Hopefully sooner!


Even if you want Utah to give it all they have and try to win now, with these picks, if they are able to dump enough salary, they could make a deal with Phoenix to acquire Deandre Ayton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aytonde01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), who would be a great rim-runner to pair with Donovan Mitchell (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-).



Two max guys that have never carried a team. Shit show!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/01/utah-jazz-resign-four-free-agents/


If Rudy Gobert relocates this summer, having an anchor in the paint will be very necessary for the Jazz. Whiteside has never been an offensive threat, but his shot-blocking, rebounding, and physical presence makes him a constant threat down low. Knowing that better teams might pick up the phone to inquire about signing him, the Jazz will have to offer up a little more cash than anyone else. Is he worth it? No, but if Gobert is gone then they need another option. If Gobert stays, let Whiteside walk. Otherize, he might be worth an overpay.



God know! Udoka and Kessler assuming Kessler is ready. If not look for another young vet


Being a phenom in the Summer League and G-League does not guarantee you will have success as an NBA player. Trent Forrest (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/forretr01.html) is walking proof of that (https://www.slcdunk.com/2021/9/5/22611630/trent-forrest-2021-utah-jazz-player-profile). His court vision, defense, and ball handling are all good reasons for him to get a longer chance with Utah, or in the NBA as a whole, but his total inability when it comes to shooting will be his downfall.



He hardly played for the Stars


If he wants to stay in Utah, the Jazz could pay him a small amount and make it very clear that he will be in the G-League until he gets his shot to fall. Otherwise, he can sell his services to another team. Either way, I don’t think fans will hear much from Forrest this season, no matter where he plays.



not bringing a rotation player back to be in the gleague! :roll:

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https://hoopshabit.com/2022/07/02/nba-trades-utah-jazz-donovan-mitchell/


NBA Trades: 3 Utah Jazz trades to help Donovan Mitchell win: New York KnicksJazz receive: Evan Fournier, Cam Reddish



help collect lottery balls sure!



Jazz receive: John Collins

Hawks receive: Jarred Vanderbilt, Bojan Bogdanovic, 2023 1st-Round Pick (via BKN, HOU, or PHI), 2027 1st-Round Pick



he excites me a bit more but it's probably worse than Trae/Collins which wasn't very good!


NBA Trades: 3 Utah Jazz trades to help Donovan Mitchell win: San Antonio Spurs Jazz receive: Keldon Johnson, Jakob Poeltl, Josh Richardson



young guys, expiring contracts and assets. They aren't winning with Mitchell leading them!

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https://fansided.com/2022/07/01/rudy-gobert-anthony-edwards-might-awkward-meeting-timberwolves/

they'll love each other soon!

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Sources told both Jazz writer Tony Jones and me that Danny Ainge pushed hard to include McDaniels. (https://theathletic.com/3396336/2022/07/02/rudy-gobert-timberwolves-trade) Earlier versions of Utah’s ask included the four first-rounders, McDaniels, multiple pick swaps and some second-round picks as well. The Timberwolves held firm in refusing to include McDaniels, a versatile defender who blossomed under the glare of the playoff spotlight against Memphis and is entering his third season in the league.

– via The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3396336/2022/07/02/rudy-gobert-timberwolves-trade)





Given all that, and the third-year leap they anticipate from Edwards, the stability they hope will bring even more out of Towns and the belief that it would be hard to find another star player who is open to Minnesota the way Gobert was — sources told The Athletic that Gobert expressed excitement about the opportunity of playing with the Timberwolves and that Towns, in particular, was supportive of the move (https://theathletic.com/3396336/2022/07/02/rudy-gobert-timberwolves-trade) — that one question just kept gnawing at the group while they labored over the decision.

– via The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3396336/2022/07/02/rudy-gobert-timberwolves-trade)




Ainge tried to rape them! Settled for Vanderbilt instead of McDaniels. I'm sure Towns and Rudy are happy they won't have to play against each other

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Word started to circulate on Thursday evening that there was progress being made toward a Gobert deal, but Wolves sources were pessimistic almost the whole way through. By Friday morning, sources said, the deal was in peril. Both sides were sticking to their guns and the Timberwolves started to look hard at other available rim protectors. In addition to Gobert, they had been linked to Indiana’s Myles Turner and Atlanta’s Clint Capela in previous reporting. The Wolves also made several calls to Brooklyn on Kevin Durant, sources said, but the Nets were asking for established All-Stars and a mountain of picks (https://theathletic.com/3396336/2022/07/02/rudy-gobert-timberwolves-trade).
– via The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3396336/2022/07/02/rudy-gobert-timberwolves-trade)

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Michael Scotto: Sources: Before eventually trading Rudy Gobert to the Timberwolves, the Jazz inquired about the possibility of trading for Raptors starters OG Anunoby and Gary Trent Jr. (https://*********.com/social/) Plus, what the Gobert trade means for the Kevin Durant trade market on @*********. *********.com/lists/nba-rumo…
– via Twitter MikeAScotto (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto)

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The Jazz and Nets kicked the tires on a trade involving Joe Harris and Royce O’Neale before the trade deadline, (https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-rudy-gobert-og-anunoby-gary-trent-jr-donte-divincenzo/) as previously noted on the ********* podcast. Instead, months later, the Nets surrendered a 2023 first-round pick for O’Neale.

– via Michael Scotto @ ********* (https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-rudy-gobert-og-anunoby-gary-trent-jr-donte-divincenzo/)

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/gleague/players/b/bolmale01d.html

4 games in the gleague look pretty good. Nice size. Only 22 when the season starts. Look forward to seeing these guys in person in 3 days. Vanderbilt appears to be an energy guy. If he ever figures out how to shoot watch out!

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Clutch Points: Donovan Mitchell is in New York attending a Mets game this afternoon (https://*********.com/social/)pic.twitter.com/KE0UpPSTiU


Donovan Mitchell is in New York attending a Mets game this afternoon pic.twitter.com/KE0UpPSTiU (https://t.co/KE0UpPSTiU)

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) July 2, 2022 (https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1543307473536405505?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


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Jake Fischer: Tyrone Corbin and Bob Beyer are expected to join Steve Clifford’s coaching staff in Charlotte, per league sources. Corbin worked under Clifford in Orlando and previously interviewed for a Hornets position under James Borrego. Beyer was with Clifford in Charlotte in 2013-14 (https://*********.com/social/).

– via Twitter JakeLFischer (https://twitter.com/JakeLFischer)




good for Ty!:cheers:

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Eric Walden: The Utah Jazz’s summer league roster will feature the likes of Jared Butler, Johnny Juzang, and Tacko Fall, but, as of yet, neither Leandro Bolmaro or Walker Kessler from the Wolves trade. Current Jazz assistants Bryan Bailey (Salt Lake) and Lamar Skeeter (Las Vegas) will coach. (https://*********.com/social/) pic.twitter.com/PBFoO57gHj

– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)




Figured Hardy would coach

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Caboclo, Fall and Robinson have some experience Sneed is back. I'd imagine that the new guys will join after the trade becomes official

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I expect Butler to lead this team

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Nate Randle: An open letter to Rudy Gobert: You are the most respectful and considerate athlete I have ever had the pleasure of working with. As a former Utah Jazz employee and fan, you will be missed. I have spent 15+ years of my career in sports and have seen it all. Most don’t carry themselves as you do. When we launched the #TakeNote campaign, you were the first player to adopt it. When I said thanks for tweeting it, you sincerely asked me to tell the entire marketing team how much you loved it (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nate-randle_takenote-utahjazz-takenote-activity-6948735458793197568-8E4Q/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=ios_app).

– via Linkedin.com (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nate-randle_takenote-utahjazz-takenote-activity-6948735458793197568-8E4Q/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=ios_app)





Every time we shot a commercial with you — you showed up on time and never asked to leave early. I can’t tell you how rare that is (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nate-randle_takenote-utahjazz-takenote-activity-6948735458793197568-8E4Q/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=ios_app). When we asked you to “do another take” or “say a different line” – you never complained. I won’t forget the time we were recording voiceover lines. You paused and said, “Does it sound like I mean it because I want Jazz fans to know that I really care.”

– via Linkedin.com (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nate-randle_takenote-utahjazz-takenote-activity-6948735458793197568-8E4Q/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=ios_app)







I have told my son over and over to watch your work ethic. His love for the Utah Jazz started because you were so kind to him on multiple occasions. Thank you! (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nate-randle_takenote-utahjazz-takenote-activity-6948735458793197568-8E4Q/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=ios_app) You probably won’t see this and that’s ok. I wanted to write it anyway because you’ve left a lasting impression on me. Much respect #27.

– via Linkedin.com (https://www.linkedin.com/posts/nate-randle_takenote-utahjazz-takenote-activity-6948735458793197568-8E4Q/?utm_source=linkedin_share&utm_medium=ios_app)




and I just liked him because the Jazz didn't suck anymore! :bowdown:

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https://kslsports.com/489078/utah-jazz-announce-summer-league-roster/

Looks like Childs isn' playing anymore after signing in Germany or whatever

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/2/23192927/2-subplots-of-the-rudy-gobert-trade-utah-jazz-minnesota-timberwolves-walker-kessler-tim-connelly

didn't realize Kessler was their own pick from the Conley deal!

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/2/23193099/get-ready-for-2022-salt-lake-city-summer-league


Back to Walker Kessler. He’s the most prominent name not on this list. It either means the Jazz haven’t had time to bring him to Salt Lake, or it’s more likely that the Jazz are still in multiple trade talks and it’s not clear if he’ll be in Utah after the trade dust settles.



don't think they can finalize until the 6th. I'd guess they may add some teams and pieces before it's official. Jazz have a lot of guys to dump!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/03/utah-jazz-seem-following-ainges-model/


The aftermath of the trade left Utah with a very clear future. They have role players, for now, a young player in Walker Kessler (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kesslwa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) who could become a star, and a top-15 player in Mitchell. Their coach is here to stay, but the real asset is all their picks.



won't be thought of as top 15 after a season of losing


The end goal for the Jazz? They will be a good, competitive team next season. Definitely in the playoffs, although not a Finals team. They will never dip below mediocrity, and they have the assets to eventually build a long-standing championship team, perhaps a dynasty if they draft right.



they barely made the playoffs last year with Gobert missing games. The D was awful without him. Playoffs? :lol

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/02/utah-jazz-three-win-now-trades-newfound-draft-capital/


The Jazz take a Hit but get a Starting Center

a move like this for a young vet might make sense if they don't think Udoka's ankle can hold up or Kessler isn't ready for the NBA. Otherwise I'd be going into the season with those two getting the center minutes with a vet to school them along the way


Donovan Mitchell is one of the flashiest players in the league, so pairing him with an athletic forward who can get above the rim would put Utah on ESPN every night. Take note. John Collins (https://www.basketball-reference.com/search/search.fcgi?pid=collijo01,collijo02&search=John+Collins&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) is an athletic power forward who can step out and hit the three. He’s good for 15-20 points every night, and Atlanta wants him gone.



I like this probably more than I should.


The Jazz Could Experiment for a Season

no thanks. Expiring contracts, young players and assets. You will lose it's just a matter of how much now

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/02/utah-jazz-win-rudy-gobert-trade/3/


Even if you want Utah to give it all they have and try to win now, with these picks, if they are able to dump enough salary, they could make a deal with Phoenix to acquire Deandre Ayton (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/a/aytonde01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), who would be a great rim-runner to pair with Donovan Mitchell (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-).

Those two on max deals? That really doesn't move the needle at all for me. I like Collins better. At least he isn't on a max deal

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/01/utah-jazz-resign-four-free-agents/2/


Eric Paschall Might be Done

I think if they trade the rest of the seasoned vets as they should that Paschall and Forrest could be good young vets to have around for the tank

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ClutchPoints: “They have shut down any team who’s called about trying to trade for Donovan Mitchell. The Jazz are committed to moving forward with him as their cornerstone player.” (https://*********.com/social/) @wojespn on the Utah Jazz’s plans with Donovan Mitchell

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Ben Anderson: According to the @Utah Jazz, two-way guard Johnny Juzang was in a car accident yesterday and isn’t practicing for the summer league today as a precaution (https://*********.com/social/). #TakeNote | @kslsports
– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)




Marc Stein: The Jazz say Johnny Juzang is not practicing with Utah’s summer league team today as a precautionary measure after a car accident. Juzang will soon be formally signed by the Jazz on a two-way contract after the former UCLA star went undrafted (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter TheSteinLine (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine)

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My pal Brian Windhorst became the darling of NBA Twitter on Friday for his dramatic burst of morning prognostication mere hours before Utah traded Rudy Gobert to Minnesota. Yet I suspect that Windy, when he was musing so irresistibly about the intrigue building in Salt Lake City, was thinking as much about the prospect of Donovan Mitchell landing in Brooklyn as part of a three-way deal sending Durant to the Suns as he was about what might happen with Gobert (https://marcstein.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email).

– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)





That’s because, on the surface, Mitchell appears to be precisely the sort of star that would appeal to the Nets as their part of their Durant surrender. Mitchell is a face of the franchise-level player with ties to New York. The Nets just acquired Royce O’Neale, his favorite teammate in Utah not named Eric Paschall (https://marcstein.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email). Launching a retooling around Mitchell, who has been coveted by the crosstown Knicks for years, makes so much sense for Brooklyn.

– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)







The problem is that Mitchell is unavailable to the Nets for the same primary reason as many top young stars: Brooklyn is ineligible to trade for Mitchell as long as Ben Simmons is on the roster. League rules preclude one team from employing two players on “designated rookie” contracts acquired via trade (https://marcstein.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email). Another considerable obstacle: Utah, for now, has been adamant that it won’t trade Mitchell. One nonetheless suspects that the Jazz, for all their messaging about wanting to reload around Mitchell, would eventually be willing to trade Mitchell in the proverbial “right” deal if the Nets suddenly no longer had Simmons (or were shipping him out in the same trade). Something to file away if a multi-team Durant deal doesn’t materialize immediately.
– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/?utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email)




interesting. My first thought was Mitchell might be a guy the Nets might want. Didin't know that about two rookie extensions though!

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Ryan Miller: Jared Butler on Will Hardy: “He’s really intense, but not like overbearing. You can tell that he’s really serious about what he what he does, and he’s got it all planned out. I can tell he’s heavily defensive minded, which is great.” (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter millerjryan (https://twitter.com/millerjryan)





Ryan Miller: Jared Butler said that the last month has “kind of been a little hectic” with the uncertainty surrounding the team (https://*********.com/social/). “You kind of can get a little anxious about certain things.”
– via Twitter millerjryan (https://twitter.com/millerjryan)






Eric Walden: Asked Jared Butler about the vibe of the team post-Gobert/O’Neale trades. He said it’s hard to get a good sense with everyone spread across the country. Admitted it was “kind of weird” and “sad” to lose those guys. He was “shocked.” Others told him this is the NBA lifestyle (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)

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Tony Jones: Utah Jazz head video coordinator Charles Allen has accepted a job with the Sacramento Kings under new coach Mike Brown, (https://*********.com/social/) according to league sources. He will be the head video coordinator and a special assistant to the head coach
– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)

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https://www.truehoop.com/p/the-dollar-value-of-a-winning-nba

looks like Rudy actually earned that contract. Imagine that. Where's Mitchell on the list? :roll:

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/4/23194701/it-turns-out-will-hardy-worked-for-the-utah-jazz-organization-13-years-ago-heres-how-intern

He's got an idea how the whole organization works even the minor league baseball team!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/05/three-things-watch-first-summer-league-game/


Walker Kessler (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/k/kesslwa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) did not make the Summer League roster, but I am also very high on him. Without him competing with Cockburn and Fall, it would be hard to say who of the three has the biggest chance to make the real roster.



just a guess but I'll go with the guy with two guaranteed years on his contract :facepalm


Juzang, Fall, and Cockburn are all household names. They either made a name for themselves in college or as fan favorites. The rest of the roster might not be familiar to casual fans. In my humble opinion, Xavier Sneed (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/s/sneedxa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and Jared Butler (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/butleja02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) are the most likely to break out this summer, and a strong showing against the Thunder would be a good first step.



Sneed didn't do much for me. Butler is a player


Sneed averaged 15 points a game in the G-League, as well as just under three assists and six rebounds, which are all very good for his size and position. He is an adequate defender at that level, so if he steps it up in the first game there’s no reason to think he can’t fill the gap left by Royce O’Neale.



you don't dominate the Gleague you probably aren't an NBAer

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/04/3-utah-jazz-players-to-watch-in-2022-nba-summer-league/3/


He will certainly need to improve from beyond the arc and with his efficiency, but he has all the physical makings of an NBA player, and with a two-way contract in Utah, it may be now or never for the 24-year old to make his mark and climb his way into the NBA.



he's a free agent right now right?

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/04/utah-jazz-kofi-cockburn-benefit-roster-changes/


Does any of this sound familiar? Cockburn may have been picked up by the one team that could give him a real chance. If Gobert is traded away this summer and Hassan Whiteside (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/whiteha01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) signs somewhere else, the Jazz might want a conventional center to lock down the paint. The odds of the stars falling for Kofi are fairly high, so he could get a real shot in the league as a role-playing center, which is exactly what he was projected to be.



the odds aren't high for him!:lol

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Ben Anderson: Will Hardy on building his @Utah Jazz staff: “There’s a lot of great coaches around the NBA and a bunch of those coaches are already here.” Sounds like there will be some familiar faces on the bench (https://*********.com/social/). #takenote | @kslsports
– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)




Ryan Miller: Will Hardy on Donovan Mitchell: “We have a pre existing relationship from the 2019 World Cup Team USA. (https://*********.com/social/) so it was great to kind of pick up where we left off.”
– via Twitter millerjryan (https://twitter.com/millerjryan)






Eric Walden: Jazz coach Will Hardy says his first order of business is to start developing relationships with everyone in the organization. (https://*********.com/social/) pic.twitter.com/XyCJaByIIj

Jazz coach Will Hardy says his first order of business is to start developing relationships with everyone in the organization. pic.twitter.com/XyCJaByIIj (https://t.co/XyCJaByIIj)
— Eric Walden (@tribjazz) July 5, 2022 (https://twitter.com/tribjazz/status/1544340586798321666?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)

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Hoop Central: Anthony Edwards is ready for the Rudy Gobert addition. (http://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1544377362678108161)


Anthony Edwards is ready for the Rudy Gobert addition. pic.twitter.com/F9WvaTlq7m (https://t.co/F9WvaTlq7m)

— Hoop Central (@TheHoopCentral) July 5, 2022 (https://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1544377362678108161?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


– via Twitter (http://twitter.com/TheHoopCentral/status/1544377362678108161)



he ought to be. Best thing to happen to his career. They just became one of the best teams in the league

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I like Bryant. But the Jazz would still suck. If they're after a starting center they must not think Udoka can stay healthy or see Kessler with the Stars at least to start the year

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Sarah Todd: Confirmed: Udoka Azubuike is still rehabbing from his March 25 surgery. (https://*********.com/social/) Doing a lot of strength work and getting in the gym.

– via Twitter NBASarah (https://twitter.com/NBASarah)




and there it is

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Michael Scotto: Sources: The Milwaukee Bucks have waived Rayjon Tucker and Luca Vildoza, (https://*********.com/social/) @********* has learned.
– via Twitter MikeAScotto (https://twitter.com/MikeAScotto)

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Jazz were awful. They were all over Butler and he doesn't have much around him. Hopefully Kessler and the other guy join them in Vegas

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they talked to Hardy. Using a little of his terminology but mostly just wants them to play unselfish and compete defensively. See how that translates to Mitchell and Clarkson! :facepalm

they also said he wants to run!

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https://www.ksl.com/article/50434922/its-all-still-sinking-in-for-jazz-coach-will-hardy-but-hes-prepared-for-all-options


"I think a lot of it is going to be tailored to the players, especially on the offensive end," he said of the type of basketball he will bring to Utah. "Defensively, there's always things that you believe in. But I wouldn't be doing my job if I wasn't trying to tailor what we do to our roster."



that's refreshing. Now you just have to get him some talent again!


While the exact system is still up in the air, he did reveal how he plans to run the program. Hardy said he wants the Jazz to embody three words: toughness, sacrifice and passion. And he plans to practice — a lot. But that doesn't mean Quin Snyder's infamous three-hour sessions will be sticking around.



Rudy had all of those things. Not sure too many of the guys left do. That's been part of their problem

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https://kslsports.com/489204/best-moments-from-rudy-goberts-career-with-utah-jazz/


Going To Three-Straight All-Star Games

should have made 5


That record still stands today.



was on pace to beat it when he got the Trump virus the first time. Doubt he approaches it again. He won't see the ball as much

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/5/23192194/highlights-from-new-utah-jazz-head-coach-will-hardys-introductory-press-conference


The front office was honest with Hardy throughout the interview process about the different paths the Jazz could take moving forward and how that could mean that he could be coaching a contending team or a team that is facing a rebuild. Hardy wanted to position no matter the roster or what the future might be.



pretty obvious which one he has rather the Jazz know it or not yet


The Jazz front office, namely Ainge and general manager Justin Zanik have been open and communicative with Hardy about roster decisions, and they have made him a part of the decision-making conversations. But, Hardy said he has full trust in Ainge and Zanik’s ability to construct the roster without his input.



hopefully they'll be on the same page unlike the Wizard and COTM


Hardy has been in contact with the Jazz’s current players and said that everyone has been receptive and excited to get to work with him.



what else they going to say?

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/05/3-takeaways-from-the-first-utah-jazz-summer-league-game/2/


Unfortunately, while Butler wasn’t overly terrible, it just felt like the offense wasn’t clicking together, and it may be the first game of Summer League, but the hope was that Butler with plenty of NBA experience could lead this team in game 1. The Thunder were led by 2021/22 rookie sensation Josh Giddey and Chet Holmgren, and look much more fluent and organized, once again showing there’s a clear lack of overall talent on this Jazz Summer League roster.



they don't really have an offense or a defense so it's probably a bit tougher than OKC sending in most of the regular season roster


It’s been well-documented that the Utah Jazz didn’t get themselves any high end talent in this years draft, and in the first Summer League game of the year, it was very apparent that they didn’t have anyone that could stand out and take over a game the way that Holmgren did for the OKC Thunder.



we don't know really know what they got in the draft yet. Let's see him play first eh?


One big reason for this could be the fact that Johnny Juzang, the big name UDFA didn’t play due to a car crash recently that may hold him out for the entirety of SLC Summer League, but the team was also missing Leondro Bolmaro and Walker Kessler, two names acquired in the Rudy Gobert trade that could have made a big impact in this game. Kofi Cockburn wasn’t anywhere near effective enough when guarding Holmgren, and didn’t make any type of impact until late in the game, and one of the only players who flashed any sort of potential was Xavier Sneed.



they also didn't play some guys that might have helped like a former lottery pick

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/05/utah-jazz-first-depth-chart-offseason/


Point Guard: Patrick Beverly, Mike Conely, Jared ButlerShooting Guard: Donovan Mitchell, Jordan Clarkson, Malik Beasly, Nickeil Alexander-WalkerSmall Forward: Bojan Bogdanovic, Leandro BolmaroPower Forward: Jarred Vanderbilt, Rudy GayCenter: Udoka Azubike, Walker Kessler, Kofi Cockburn or Tacko Fall

I get the uneasy feeling that they might go into the season with a veteran line-up and give Mitchell a chance to show that he can lead them. When it fails Ainge will sell everyone off and it will look more like this with whatever they get in return.
Point Guard: Mitchell, Jared ButlerShooting Guard: Nickeil Alexander-Walker, Juang has a two waySmall Forward: Leandro BolmaroPower Forward: Jarred VanderbiltCenter: Udoka Azubike, Walker Kessler

Keep in mind that the Jazz have time to add players, which they will desperately need to do. Jarred Vanderbilt only became a starter last season, and he did not show out for the Minnesota Timberwolves. Udoka Azubike is by no means a starting center in the NBA, but he is technically the only center the Jazz have under contract. Depending on how the Summer League goes, Cockburn and Fall might arrive at the party.



Vanderbilt is probably now the best rebounder on the team. Looking at his stats I'd say he's an energy guy, rebounder, defender? Shoing out yes? Udoka actually looked good starting last year. Certainly good enough for a tanking team.


The backcourt is in good hands. Between Mitchell, Clarkson, and Beasly, the Jazz might have the best shooting guard core in the league. I placed Mike Conely behind Patrick Beverly for purely defensive reasons. If they both remain on the roster, I expect them to split minutes.



they at least have two of the biggest gunners and worst defenders at guard. Doubt Conley will be around. Beverley shouldn't either. Mitchell is the pg supposedly. Butler should get a shot to back him up


The frontcourt is where work needs to be done. Between the power forward and center positions, Rudy Gay is the only player who has ever been a quality starter, and that was back in 2017.



depends on what you consider quality. Vanderbilt would be considered quality in a different era for sure.

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/04/3-utah-jazz-players-to-watch-in-2022-nba-summer-league/3/


Many players will bounce around in their early basketball career, hoping to find a spot where they can establish themselves and call home, and after doing just that for the past two years, the Utah Jazz and Xavier Sneed hope he can settle in with the Jazz and make a name for himself as a scoring wing. The 6’5″, 215 pounder played four years at Kansas State, and it was his final season, in which he averaged 14 points and 5 rebounds a game that got him attention, and with consistent playing time, it’s believed he can replicate those type of numbers at the next level.



expecting a guy that averaged 14 his 4th year in college to become a scoring wing? :facepalm

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Usher is the guy everyone is talking about so watch out for him tonight

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“Rudy Gobert getting traded for an arm, a leg and two mountains is helping their cause. There’s no way the Nets will ever trade Kevin Durant for anything less than what Rudy Gobert got Utah,” said one Western Conference executive. (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041105-nba-offseason-intel-latest-buzz-on-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-deandre-ayton) “If nothing comes, I can see them saying [to the players], ‘We just all have to come back.’ If I’m them, I just try to string this out as long as possible.”

– via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041105-nba-offseason-intel-latest-buzz-on-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-deandre-ayton)



Rudy is significantly younger and more durable

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Toronto and Indiana have repeatedly been mentioned as looming landing spots for the talented young center, but Utah has been described to B/R as an unlikely destination for Ayton, despite the Jazz moving off Gobert (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041105-nba-offseason-intel-latest-buzz-on-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-deandre-ayton).

– via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041105-nba-offseason-intel-latest-buzz-on-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-deandre-ayton)




good

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But pairing Gobert with the 6-foot-11-inch Karl-Anthony Towns is an interesting hoop mixture when the league is generally going smaller. (The Celtics started Robert Williams and Al Horford, but both are versatile defenders.) “It changes who they are drastically, that’s for sure,” a coach from one close competitor of the Wolves told Heavy.com. “We’ll see if those two guys can work together. (https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/malcolm-brogdon-trade-kevin-durant-gobert/) I’m sure Towns is going to love being able to play out on the perimeter more on offense; the question is can he guard anybody out there?

– via Steve Bulpett @ Heavy.com (https://heavy.com/sports/boston-celtics/malcolm-brogdon-trade-kevin-durant-gobert/)




protecting the rim when Rudy has to leave the paint will be bigger

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The Utah Jazz partly blew up their core last week, trading Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves for an absolute haul and also shipping Royce O’Neale off to the Brooklyn Nets. These moves left Donovan Mitchell scratching his head. According to Brian Windhorst, who spoke on his Hoop Collective Podcast, Mitchell approached the front office and asked them what their plan is after parting ways with two key players. (https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-donovan-mitchell-raised-an-eyebrow-at-utah-trading-rudy-gobert-royce-oneale/) Windhorst revealed the Jazz are essentially looking to “do what’s right” for the franchise, with Danny Ainge, in particular, believing that giving up Gobert and O’Neale was in the best interest of Utah.
– via Quinn Allen @ Clutch Points (https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-donovan-mitchell-raised-an-eyebrow-at-utah-trading-rudy-gobert-royce-oneale/)

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When Hardy started to explain to Ainge that three-word motto and how he would approach practices, Ainge lit up. “There were three things,” Ainge said. “First, he doesn’t like five-on-zero practices, and I don’t either. He wants his players to feel the pressure of a game in every practice scenario (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/6/23006907/toughness-sacrifice-and-passion-inside-will-hardy-3-pronged-coaching-philosophy-utah-jazz). Second, he wants practices to involve more transition, which is what we all think needs more attention, on both sides of the ball. And third, he wants to practice more.”
– via Sarah Todd @ deseret.com (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/6/23006907/toughness-sacrifice-and-passion-inside-will-hardy-3-pronged-coaching-philosophy-utah-jazz)




“For me to be an effective leader, I have to have that personal capital built up with everybody, and so my goal these first couple of months is to really hope that everybody here gets to know me as a person before you get to know me as a coach.” Hardy has sacrificed a lot to get to this point and he’ll be putting in as much if not more work now than he ever has. His wife Spencer and the couple’s two young daughters will also be sacrificing. Hardy is a long way from home (Richmond, Virginia,) and he’ll miss out on things for the greater good of the team (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/6/23006907/toughness-sacrifice-and-passion-inside-will-hardy-3-pronged-coaching-philosophy-utah-jazz).
– via Sarah Todd @ deseret.com (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/6/23006907/toughness-sacrifice-and-passion-inside-will-hardy-3-pronged-coaching-philosophy-utah-jazz)

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Andy Larsen: Jazz will make the Gobert trade official today (https://*********.com/social/).

– via Twitter andyblarsen (https://twitter.com/andyblarsen)




be interesting if it changes at all. Jazz still have some work to do no matter what direction they are going in. Conley I would think has to go for sure if Mitchell is the one. I'd guess Beverley too with Butler in the wings. I'd hope Bojan, Clarkson, Gay and Beasley as well

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Eric Walden: Bryan Bailey, the Jazz’s SLC Summer League coach, says there’s a chance Walker Kessler and Leandro Bolmaro could wind up playing in summer league, (https://*********.com/social/) but if they do, it will be in Vegas.

– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)



why wouldn't they play?

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The Milwaukee Bucks have signed forward Joe Ingles. (https://www.nba.com/bucks/news/milwaukee-bucks-sign-joe-ingles) “Joe is a proven shot maker who will add great depth to our roster,” said Bucks General Manager Jon Horst. “He is a terrific person and teammate who will fit in well with our team and community. We’re thrilled to welcome Joe and his family to Milwaukee.”
– via Milwaukee Bucks @ NBA.com (https://www.nba.com/bucks/news/milwaukee-bucks-sign-joe-ingles)

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Dane Moore: Tim Connelly said Rudy Gobert had “no shortage of suitors” (https://*********.com/social/) and that the Wolves had a “pretty good sense of the market” it would take to land him. But Connelly also said Utah was “maybe the biggest competitor” — because “this was not a fire-sale” for the Jazz.
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)





Dane Moore: Tim Connelly when asked why it was a priority to keep Jaden McDaniels out of the Rudy Gobert trade: “He’s a near perfect fit… We think Jaden can be an All-League defensive player. (https://*********.com/social/) And we just got the best defensive player in the world. So that gets you pretty excited.”
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)

should be a fire sale now

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Lauren Rosen: Also official: Danuel House has signed with the @Philadelphia 76ers. Daryl Morey (@Daryl Morey) on House: “Danuel is a very talented two-way player who immediately bolsters our wing depth and strengthens our roster… I’m excited for Danuel’s future in Philadelphia.” (https://*********.com/social/tweets/)
– via Twitter LaurenMRosen (https://twitter.com/LaurenMRosen)

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Ryan Miller: Rudy Gobert on why he thinks he was traded: “The window for winning is not always big. … I think the organization felt like we had maybe past that window. (https://*********.com/social/) … I think they just felt like with the assets that they could get with me, it was better for them to go that way.”

– via Twitter millerjryan (https://twitter.com/millerjryan)





Dane Moore: Tim Connelly speaking glowingly about Rudy Gobert being someone you “know what you’re going get” from — both on the floor and as a person (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)






Dane Moore: Chris Finch on the Rudy Gobert acquisition: “Perfect fit at the perfect time for our organization.” (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)






Dane Moore: Rudy Gobert: This is “probably the most exciting situation in terms of basketball for me” (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)






Jon Krawczynski: Gobert: The goal is to win a championship. That’s what I came here to do (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter JonKrawczynski (https://twitter.com/JonKrawczynski)






Dane Moore: Chris Finch on making the Rudy Gobert fit thrive: “We’ll need to build a system that is flexible enough” (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)






Dane Moore: Chris Finch on adding Rudy Gobert to the Timberwolves: “We don’t feel it’s an awkward fit at all.” (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter DaneMooreNBA (https://twitter.com/DaneMooreNBA)






Ryan Miller: Rudy Gobert: “I’m the type of guy that was thinking that it would be cool to spend my whole career in the same place, but also always wondered how cool it would be to get to a new place and in a new system and a new environment.” (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter millerjryan (https://twitter.com/millerjryan)



thanks Rudy! :bowdown:

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better match up tonite. The guys that did well for the Jazz had a ton of turnovers. Caboclo could be a good 3rd center if they go with Udoka and Kessler. Young vet. Still only 26. He looked good except for the turnovers. His wingspan is only a couple inches less than Rudy's! Of course the crowd was chanting for Tacko while Cabolclo was going to work :facepalm

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Watching a Utah based sports talk show where they've said the Bulls and Jazz had a deal in place for Gobert until the KD news came out and the Bulls pulled out.

Deal was

Gobert

For
Vucevic
Williams
White
3 1st round picks

I know they ended up getting a ton of picks from the T'Wolves, but all the talk was the Bulls wouldn't even trade Vuc and Williams for Gobert, so not sure how the 3 1sts got added too.

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Watching a Utah based sports talk show where they've said the Bulls and Jazz had a deal in place for Gobert until the KD news came out and the Bulls pulled out.

Deal was

Gobert

For
Vucevic
Williams
White
3 1st round picks

I know they ended up getting a ton of picks from the T'Wolves, but all the talk was the Bulls wouldn't even trade Vuc and Williams for Gobert, so not sure how the 3 1sts got added too.

didn't want Vuc. Minny is the better deal and the better team. ANT >LaVine

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Jazz owner Ryan Smith said Gobert “will forever be a part of us.” (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34203442/center-rudy-gobert-says-ready-win-championship-minnesota-timberwolves) “Rudy Gobert had a huge impact on this franchise and the entire state of Utah during his nine seasons with the Jazz,” Smith said. “One of the greatest defensive players in NBA history, Rudy will forever be considered one of the most significant players to wear a Jazz uniform. His love for and impact on this community are impossible to overstate.”
– via ESPN News Services @ ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34203442/center-rudy-gobert-says-ready-win-championship-minnesota-timberwolves)

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Windy eventually ended up looking like a profit when Utah dealt All-Star center Rudy Gobert. And now for the first time since his clip went viral, he addressed the reaction to it on his podcast. It helped that it was a holiday weekend, there wasn’t a lot of activity, all that contributed to it. It really became more popular as a meme than actually what I said. Look, I knew the Jazz were pretty close to trading Rudy Gobert. To be honest with you, part of what I was doing was trying to avoid aggregation. … In this world of aggregation, I have to get more creative because you get pinned down on sometimes four words. You say 700 words and you get pinned down to four words, (https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/look-brian-windhorst-explains-viral-utah-jazz-speculation)
– via Daniel Bates @ The Spun (https://thespun.com/more/top-stories/look-brian-windhorst-explains-viral-utah-jazz-speculation)

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"Rudy Gobert had a huge impact on this franchise and the entire state of Utah during his nine seasons with the Jazz," Utah Jazz owner Ryan Smith said in a statement. "One of the greatest defensive players in NBA history, Rudy will forever be considered one of the most significant players to wear a Jazz uniform. His love for and impact on this community are impossible to overstate. He fully embraced this state, especially through his Rudy's Kids Foundation. Rudy will forever be a part of us. We wish him all the best in this next stage of his career. Once a Jazzman, always a Jazzman."



one of? Malone, Stockton and Gobert. It's a short list :bowdown:

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/07/utah-jazz-pay-tribute-departing-star/


With Mitchell now the clear face of the Jazz franchise and a new head coach in town (https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/06/will-hardy-shines-in-first-press-conference-as-utah-jazz-head-coach/), this team has a bright future and plenty of potential for the next era in Jazz franchise history, but these tributes show just how fondly remembered Rudy Gobert will in the hearts of Utah Jazz fans and the front office.



no reason to think the future is bright. You need a great player to carry a team. They just traded him!

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NBA Central: Donovan Mitchell is unlikely to request a trade, per ESPN’s Brian Windhorst “On Mitchell’s side, he’s going to stand pat. He’s not going to force any action right now.” (https://*********.com/social/) pic.twitter.com/JFlvRikZCf
– via Twitter TheNBACentral (https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral)




Donovan Mitchell: Circle got smaller everybody can’t go (https://*********.com/social/tweets/)

– via Twitter spidadmitchell (https://twitter.com/spidadmitchell)

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https://sports.yahoo.com/timberwolves-rejected-huge-kevin-durant-221450943.html


That is a lot to ask for Durant and that is why the future Hall of Famer has to seriously consider his options. If the Timberwolves said yes to that deal, then Durant would join a team with just Gobert and D’Angelo Russell as the main pieces along with himself. They would lose a lot of depth and a lot of star power in that move. While they would certainly make the playoffs, a title would be extremely tough.



They would be one of the best teams in the league and legit contenders. Be tough to trade ANT though!

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/7/23199275/utah-jazz-trade-rumors-is-another-trade-coming-for-the-utah-jazz-donovan-mitchell-rudy-gobert


On the July 4 edition of The Lowe Post podcast (https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/jon-krawczynski-and-tim-bontemps/id986595124?i=1000568784985), ESPN’s Zach Lowe and Tim Bontemps suggested that Mike Conley and Bojan Bogdanovic are players that no longer fit the current iteration of the Jazz.



Clarkson, Gay. Beverley and Beasley. They said during the 2nd summer league game that the reason there was no press conference for the new guys yet is because some of them won't be here long. Beasley was at that game so maybe he's staying?


“They clearly have to make more moves,” Bontemps added. “... The Rudy Gobert move isn’t the only move you make. This team was built around Rudy Gobert’s skill sets.”



never built well. Exum /Burke at the 1. Fossils Diaw and Johnson at the 4. Hood starting. Favors and Rubio spotting up in the corner. Expect 1 guy to cover everyone. A coach that refuses to adjust in the playoffs. Wasted his whole career!

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/7/23199777/utah-jazz-fall-to-the-memphis-grizzlies-in-final-game-of-salt-lake-city-summer-league


The other player that’s been impressive is Xavier Sneed. Sneed has some nice tools with his athleticism and ideal size for a wing, and he’s looking like his shot has improved. You can see why the Jazz have had him on the team. The hope would be that Sneed continues to develop and can be a consistent contributor for the Jazz as they look for more talent to fill the roster for the upcoming season.



Not sure his length but he's 6'5. Not ideal. He seems pretty raw. Plays with a lot of energy. Bit out of control. He might be worth having around. We'll see


The current Jazz roster is lottery bound, so if they either have to make some more moves to be competitive or they should trade Mitchell and go full rebuild. Holding onto Mitchell while going to the lottery doesn't make sense.

Makes sense to me. Tank this year. Great draft in 2023. Get under the cap. See if anyone else emerges to build around. Look to bring in another young star with cap space or hope one develops. If Mitchell doesn't like it see ya!



Donovan doesn’t want to be part of a rebuild and I don’t blame him. Conley and Bogey would be redundant to our plan.



We start rebuilding through the draft. Try like hell to get the 1st overall pick and get Wembanyama. The 7’3 Frenchman who they say is the best prospect in decades. Better than Chet Holmgren or a couple other options could help start the rebuild.



We have some major money to spend on Free Agency and we go after young guys with potential. Solid defenders.



Danny Ainge knows what to do. He’s already done it very successfully.



Why doesn't Mitchell? If not for Gobert Mitchell would have likely been playing on a crappy team for years like most lottery picks. Let's see him carry a crappy team like Gobert did. Exum and Burke at the 1! Seriously? :bowdown:


Finding and developing all-stars in a small market is hard. Don is clearly an all star, and was borderline all NBA this past season (7th in all NBA voting for guards). While I don't think he can be the best player on a championship team, I do think the team is best set up for future success keeping him, rather than moving him for pieces.



I also think it's underrated how much vets can help player development. We've seen recently how young players in MIA and PHO took big jumps with the arrival of Jimmy and CP3 (respectively). So while I expect some of Mike, Bogey, JC, Pat Bev to be moved...I would also expect (hope) some would remain. Even if that means, from an asset play, we don't maximize value, I think for team culture and player development it'll be helpful.

he was borderline all NBA before he disappeared after the all star game. Seriously why is this not the main thing being talked about? What happened? Don't need any of those guys to remain. Cheap young vets like Caboclo will do

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/07/utah-jazz-juzang-cockburn-listed-best-signings/

Cockburn did look good last night and Butler finally went off after a slow start.

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“We do have Adam Silver on record saying players have to honor their contracts. And we do see two organizations shoving back on their stars, potentially to the detriment to their championship hopes. “And we’re monitoring the Lakers. We’re monitoring the Lakers.” “Brian, what you’re telling me is something is happening in Los Angeles,” replied Pablo Torre. Windhorst goes on to allude to how LeBron James is pushing for the Lakers to trade for Kyrie Irving, and there could be consequences should a deal not be executed. “Definitely Brooklyn, definitely Utah, and we have the L.A. Lakers on the watch list for pushing back on players guiding so much of what’s going on,” said Windhorst (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267850/Push-Back-By-Teams-Against-Stars-More-Likely-Than-CBA-Changes-To-Address-Player-Empowerment).
– via RealGM (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267850/Push-Back-By-Teams-Against-Stars-More-Likely-Than-CBA-Changes-To-Address-Player-Empowerment)

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Lauren L. Williams: Just a little update from Summer League, the Hawks held Sharife Cooper (right thumb soreness) and AJ Griffin (foot soreness) out of today’s scrimmage against the Clippers. Both are day-to-day. Will update about their availability for tomorrow’s game against the Jazz when I hear (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter WilliamsLaurenL (https://twitter.com/WilliamsLaurenL)

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Ian Begley: I also had heard rumblings about Utah maybe looking at the Knicks players and not being head over heels about anything they might get back from a player perspective (https://open.spotify.com/episode/77zBWIa5Pc0gg6znJrRF3J).

– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/77zBWIa5Pc0gg6znJrRF3J)





There’s no reason for Cleveland to give (Collin Sexton) a stronger offer than what they already have. And I have been told that that’s something along the lines of Jordan Clarkson’s three year, $51 million (https://open.spotify.com/episode/77zBWIa5Pc0gg6znJrRF3J).
– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/77zBWIa5Pc0gg6znJrRF3J)



sign and trade Clarkson for Sexton!

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https://kslsports.com/489340/5-things-for-jazz-fans-to-watch-at-vegas-summer-league/


I was told there’s a higher likelihood that Bolmaro makes his Jazz debut in Las Vegas than Kessler, but seeing both players suit up isn’t out of the realm of possibilities.



why? Unless they've been hurt or you're going to flip them I can't see why they wouldn't be signed and on the court


There are more highly-touted prospects on the Toronto Raptors who NBA fans will want to familiarize themselves with (see Christian Koloko) but former BYU guard will undoubtedly be the name to watch for fans in the state of Utah.



cool!



Well, as of right now, this is what the @utahjazz (https://twitter.com/utahjazz?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) roster looks like.

So clearly, it needs some work.

PG: Conley/Beverley/Butler
SG: Mitchell/Clarkson/Beasley/NAW

SF: Bogdanovic/Bolmaro
PF: Gay/
C: Vanderbilt/Kessler/Azubuike
— Ben Anderson (@BensHoops) July 1, 2022 (https://twitter.com/BensHoops/status/1542976283742650369?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Vanderbilt is a center not a 4? I thought Mitchell was supposed to be the pg now? I can't see not giving Butler, Naw and Udoka a chance at the rotation. Udoka should be the #1 center after starting and doing a solid job last season

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https://kslsports.com/489330/salt-lake-city-summer-league-standouts/


Standouts from the Utah Jazz (https://twitter.com/utahjazz/status/1545229921739452416) include Jared Butler (https://kslsports.com/489312/butler-shines-in-final-jazz-summer-league-game/) and Bruno Caboclo. Butler appeared in two games, averaging 16 points, 5.5 assists and 1.5 steals per game. He had 22 points, seven rebounds and seven assists against the Grizzlies in the SLC Summer League finale on Thursday. Caboclo participated in two games, averaing 16.5 points, 6.5 rebounds, 1.5 steals and 2.5 blocks per game, while shooting 52% from the field.

Bruno looked good except for the turnovers

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/8/23200818/did-the-utah-jazz-unearth-rotation-player-salt-lake-city-summer-league-jared-butler-bruno-caboclo


Listed at 6-foot-9, 218 pounds, the 26-year-old Brazilian would fill a need for the Jazz, that of versatile wing. During his now seven-year NBA career, Caboclo has played as a small forward, power forward and center.



I'd think he's more of a 5 with that wingspan


Cockburn did prove himself effective on the boards, though, and when given the ball in the paint, he usually put it in the basket, making 10 of 16 total field goal attempts.

He was good the final game. I'd say you're looking more for guys to play with the Stars than the Jazz

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/8/23190558/time-will-tell-if-utah-jazz-got-upper-hand-in-big-trade-minnesota-timberwolves


Congratulations to the Utah Jazz (https://www.deseret.com/utah-jazz). They just robbed the Minnesota Timberwolves with the latter’s complete cooperation.



Really? Until the Jazz produce someone better than Gobert out of the tank Minnesota wins. They got the best player. Jazz could get many good players out of the deal and they'd still lose


History is not in their favor. In their entire 48-year history, the Jazz have drafted just under 200 players. Only nine have earned All-Star honors — Dominique Wilkins, Mark Eaton, John Stockton, Karl Malone, Andrei Kirilenko, Mo Williams, Deron Williams, Paul Millsap and Gordon Hayward.



that pretty much tells you the odds that they get someone as good as Gobert. He's the 3rd most important person in their history. They were lucky to have Malone and Stockton when they traded Dantley. Lucky to have Millsap when Deron was traded. Lucky to have Rudy when they were trying desperately to tank.


And there’s this problem: the Timberwolves are a good team. What are the chances of them having a bad season, giving the Jazz a lottery pick? There is some hope for the Jazz. The Wolves’ first-round draft picks, beginning in 2022 and moving backward to 2015, were 19, 1, 17, 11, 20, 7, 5, 1. But only one of those picks resulted in the selection of a future all-star.



Ant and Gobert would have to miss a lot of games I'd think for them to suck. Gobert could decline soon so that's the major hope here but with ANT becoming one of the best players in the game it probably won't matterr


Burak also made another curious observation: the 22nd and 23rd picks were the only first-round picks that did not produce an All-Star. And just 22 second-round picks went on to become All-Stars, or 2.5%.



the Jazz will almost certainly get a pick in the 20's. Theirs hopefully is 1 though! and they will have probably the Sixers pick too. Stacked draft so this might be their best chance of finding the next guy to lead the franchise

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https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/7/8/23200865/donovan-mitchell-utah-jazz-leader-rebuild-trade-nba


You know he’s absolutely going to score the basketball. His green light just got even greener, and it might get even more green as the season approaches. It wouldn’t surprise me if Mitchell averages upwards of 27 points per game in this coming season. But will the Jazz be good? Probably not. It seems like the All-Star game in Utah is carrying a lot of weight in the minds of Jazz executives, and with it being the first time in 20+ years that the ASG stops in SLC, they are definitely going to want a player in the game.

Mitchell won't be an all-star if the Jazz suck. Not usually how it works. If he pushed Gobert out than he will have no one to blame but himself. Gobert made you an all-star as he did Hayward(even though their best player didn't make it that year!)



"I like it a lot. I'm tired of the trade demands with 3-4 years left on the deal. If you're that guy, lead them to the play-in or playoffs. You've been complaining about Rudy Gobert, he's out. It's your team." — @Chris_Broussard (https://twitter.com/Chris_Broussard?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/4mSF6EBN3b (https://t.co/4mSF6EBN3b)— First Things First (@FTFonFS1) July 8, 2022 (https://twitter.com/FTFonFS1/status/1545463628060565508?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)

exactly. Time to show you are as good as the hype. I don't think you are. Time to prove me wrong!



We’ve heard about the beef between Donovan and Rudy for years now. We’ve felt the awkward on-court tension between them for a couple seasons. Mitchell won’t have to worry about that now, with Rudy in Minnesota and whole open floor for him to be himself. He’ll have the opportunity to take full control of the team and be a leader, if he truly wants to.



There won't be an open floor without Rudy screening and diving to the rim. The 40 footers he loves to brick will still be open though!


It’s indeed going to be the Mitchell’s show but at this stage we need 1 healthy PG, 1 solid 3D F/PF and 1 starting C to be a playoff contender…wait and see.

why was Gobert able to win games with whatever stiffs they put on the floor with him. Exum and Burke! :roll:


Yes, he "can" lead them. However, he needs to put forth effort on defense. Also, the 4 - 20 type of shooting games need to be far fewer. Also, if he's shooting poorly on a given night, he needs to find his way to the free throw line more. Actually, he needs to do that all of the time.

he doesn't really like contact. He could try passing it. Sounds like Hardy might demand it more?


Without having Gobert and his defender standing in the lane at all times, I have a feeling that Mitchell will get to the hoop and the line a lot more often this season (provided the Jazz get a C that is more offensively capable than Gobert was)

without the number 1 screener in the game? :lol


beasley started before ant emerged and moved him to bench. he shoots the 3 at 37.5% which will be useful for the jazz and i suspect he gets many open looks if mitchell is the starting point guard. bolmaro looks like he might develop into a valuable bench player. i am most excited about the center minnesota just drafted and would seriously consider starting him and making sure he gets 20-24 mpg. vanderbilt is long and he plays a position the jazz need some toughness in. think he is only 22 so its early on him. 8 rebounds and 58% from field is more than livable (no 3 pt shot).



just don't think jazz mgmt is done dealing, and have to wait and see what comes in. ayton but be the dream get, but~~~~. with huichimara on roster, the gizzards might be willing to deal kuzma. boggy or conley for kuzma would be perfect. an expiring would do nothing but help washington.



let the summer play out guys, and don't just declare it a crap show.



Kessler should be considered a Star until he proves otherwise. As should every rookie as far as I'm concerned. No thanks on Ayton on a max deal. Don't see Ayton/Mitchell even in the playoffs!


As long as they don't bring in aging vetzz, I'm fine if the Jazz are just a young team playing fun basketball. Hopefully, they progress and maybe find a gem or two, and peak towards the end of the season and maybe be an team that can make play-in and maybe even upset a top seed.


They aren't making the play-in! :oldlol:





It's ok to have a couple of vetz, but they need to be ok with being a backup. More Earl Watson, less Mark Jackson.

That's the question with Conley and Bogie this year. It would be nice if we could trade them for some younger guys with upside that could use a little development.

Young vets only. Don't need old guys to tank!

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2- I'm already stoaked about Vanderbuilt.... More than I probably should be, but he's only 22. We haven't had any kind of length that can slow down or shut down big wings since AK, and he can slow down anybody 1-5. If we are going small at the center, or we have a 5 who can shoot, I think he could be super useful. I know Pat Bev isn't that popular, but with him and Vanderbuilt, we've got a couple guys to really help set an example on D. I think they've got to hold onto him for awhile.

but isn't he a 4? Beverley needs to go!


Would be great, he and Donovan are buds but more important is he fills a need for the Jazz.

Bojan for Kuzma and Kispert




27. So unless he's got an expiring contract no thanks!


The two players I think will still be on Utah's team two years from now that we acquired in this trade are Bolmaro and Vanderbilt. I think Kessler has bust potential -- if he can't move laterally, he will be unplayable except for a few minutes off of the bench, like Boban. Beverley will probably be moved this off season, Malik Beasley will more than likely be traded as well some time in the next two years. Beasley reminds me a lot of Randy Foye. I think Vanderbilt could turn into a good bench forward to come in and play some defense. The player I am the most intrigued with is Bolmaro -- I really think he could be a player like Joe Ingles, a creator off of the bench. He just needs to be a shooter like he was in FC Barcelona.




let's hope he doesn't start like Foye did!


Beasley is redundant with JC but, for what he is, I really like his game! Can function on or off ball. Can spot up or put the ball on the deck and drive. Works on D, seems to at least know his assignments. (Underrated aspect of MN growth last year: they played hard on D, knew their system, and held each other accountable. D'Lo was critical to this; getting a little love in the MN media for his improved D and leadership, but not really elsewhere.) In many ways he's like JC in that he's bounced around a bit, but has never really been given consistent time and consistent opportunities, as he was blocked in DEN, seemed like he'd get run in MN, then they just kept acquiring more guards ahead of him on the depth chart. If we trade JC, I think Beas could really blossom as a 6th man!

except unlike JC he can shoot and might even pass the ball?


i just believe jazz need players who can score, and who get their own shot at times, everyone says they everywhere, even fallin off trees, but jazz seem to find them very seldom. beasley gives you that and he tries on defense



need young guys and assets only!


I don't see us getting rid of JC, the front office seems to love the dude and has been amazing for us within the role he is being asked to play. In theory if DM can play the defense we know him to be able to play then we can afford to give JC and Beasley plenty of minutes in a way that staggers them. Or in situations where we need to put our foot on the gas I could see us playing all three at times.

Just don't get it myself. He sucks! One of my least favorite Jazz players in the past 40 plus years. Doesn't play D. Doesn't pass. Can't shoot. Hardy and Ainge are really on board with this clown? I guess they are. They were apparently on board with more COTM! Can't see Hardy letting him play that way


if left to me, i start kessler and give him some genuine playing time each game. he may be the biggest surprise out of the minnesota pieces, he looks like if he gets 20-24 mpg he will take big steps forward.




If he's good enough. I can't see playing a guy that isn't good enough yet when you have a Gleague team rather you are tanking or not.


Let WK and JV share the five spot depending on match ups. If WK looks promising UA may be trade filler too.



or vice versa. Udoka has shown he can play. Can he stay healthy




I find it shocking that such a great athlete can be such a terrible shooter. Even I could shoot pretty well, back in the day. Russell Westbrick cannot




bb iq is a bigger problem when it comes to Westbrook. He should be a 6th man at this stage


A guy like Vanderbilt appears a lot like Rudy. Limited offensively to dunks and offensive rebound put backs but good defensively. It will be interesting to see which sort of defender is more impactful in the current NBA. The big man rim help defender, or the long wing on-the-top-scorer defender? I personally think the latter but we will see.




Gobert is all NBA/All D. Vanderbilt is a backup. Rudy was carrying the Jazz when he was Vanderbilt's age. When he was Mitchell's age as well!


Going small with Vando would be my preference




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That’s a good point too. Idk - i feel like we probably need to wait at least a month before we start trying to project what the lineup should look like and who should start where. Not really worthwhile right now (although I do think Vando is one of the guys that’s pretty certain to actually play for the Jazz)




good idea since we eally have no idea if anybody now on the roster is in September

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I chose to put Patrick Beverley at the bottom of this list since most of us already know him well. Given that the Jazz have a surplus of guards on their roster and Beverley could help a plethora of contenders in the league, I find it unlikely that he stays with Utah. Nonetheless, here’s a quick rundown on the scrappy, defensive oriented guard:



I would think him and Conley are gone so Mitchell and Butler can run the show


Last season, Beverley averaged 9.2 points, 4.1 rebounds, 4.6 assists, 1.2 steals, and 0.9 blocks on 40.6/34.4/72.2 percent shooting splits. He was the heart of a young Minnesota team and is the epitome of “love them when they're on your team, hate them when they're not.” He plays with passion, energy, and grit and usually fills the “instigator” role for every team he plays on. In all honesty, if he was younger and Utah didn’t have such a logjam at the guard positions, he’d be a perfect fit for this team. But for the sake of Utah’s future, trading him would be in their best interests. I wouldn’t be surprised if a team ponied up a first-round pick for him.



Yep. He was one of the guys I thought they should have went after instead of Rubio! I'd think he's worth a 1st if O'Neale is?


1) Trade Rudy Gay and Jared Butler, plus a 2nd round draft pick (or two), plus cash, to the New York Knicks for Cam Reddish;

would either team do this? Only if that's the cost of getting rid of Gay and it's pretty high


2) Re-sign Hassan Whiteside and Eric Paschall, using the non-taxpayer mid-level exception amount ($10,490,000) and splitting the exception amount between the two players. I think the Jazz should be able re-sign Whiteside for no more than just over the taxpayer mid-level exception amount of $6,479,000 (for between $6.5 and $7 mil.--and maybe for less), and could re-sign Paschall for between $2.5 and $3 mil.

Paschall would be good for a tanking team. Whiteside is not good for any team!


3) Sign Bruno Caboclo to a vet minimum contract of $2,463,490 (only $1,836,090 of which would count towards the Jazz salary cap)

Might be able to get him on a two way? I guess he might not be eligible?


4) Move Alexander-Walker to the 3rd string PG position

He needs a chance to make the rotation or they need to move him. Same with Butler and Udoka. Udoka already proved himself if he can stay healthy


If the Jazz could get Whiteside to be more consistent as a starter, I think he'd only be about a 10 to 15% downgrade on defense from Rudy Gobert, and I believe Whiteside is as good a rebounder and a better offensive player than Gobert. Also, I think the upgrade in defensive ability of Vanderbilt and Beverley could more than make up for the loss of defensive ability caused by no longer having Gobert. The starting lineup would actually be a modest size upgrade over last season's lineup, with the additions of Whiteside (only slightly smaller than Gobert), Vanderbilt and Beverley. Mitchell would still be slightly undersized as an NBA SG, but he's better at guarding SGs than guarding PGs in the NBA, and his height disadvantage at SG has never been an issue on offense for Mitchell. This starting unit could be a bit challenged on offense at the front court positions, although I believe Whiteside has more of an offensive game than he was able to show with the Jazz last season in limited minutes.

Whiteside was on a minimum contract for a reason. Now you want top pay him big money to tank? Dream on! If Whiteside was better than Rudy at anything he wouldn't be fighting to stay in the league! He's more talented sure. Rudy has things Whiteside has never had and never will! :facepalm


The bench could be very potent offensively for the Jazz, although it would be a bit undersized defensively (except at the center position)--but that shouldn't much, if any, of a disadvantage against most second units in the NBA.

Paschall is an end of the bench energy guy and Clarkson sucks. The bench will suck too. They won't be playing with Gobert and Conley anymore! Conley is playing behind Beverley? :lol


I believe this roster could match up well with most NBA teams, especially later in the season, after the team had a chance to develop some chemistry together. I think this roster should be able to win about 45 games--which would probably put the Jazz right in the thick of being a play-in candidate for the playoffs (and as maybe a 6th or 7th seed in the playoffs--or just missing the playoffs).

Would be one of the worst defensive teams in the league. I'd put money on it to implode because of Whiteside. Hardy doesn't need to start his career with one of the biggest underachievers in the league! Udoka started ahead of him last year. See ya!


I could enjoy watching that team develop this year as the season goes on, and I believe there would be much more hope for the future for Jazz fans by doing a "retool" rather than by going into full rebuild mode--wherein the Jazz would have to hope to get lucky to draft another player or players as good as Donovan and/or Rudy, in the total crapshoot that is the NBA draft.

They better hope they can draft someone better than Mitchell or they will be losing for a long time to come. Shitshow!!! :roll:


Re-signing Juancho Hernangomez instead of Eric Paschall (with a portion of the non-taxpayer mid-level exception) or instead of Bruno Cablclco on a vet minimum contract ($2,298,385, with only $1,836,090 counting towards the salary cap) would also be a good option for the Jazz in finalizing the front court roster for next season. I really liked what he brought to the team in limited minutes during the last half of this past season. I think he might even be able to give the Jazz some good minutes as a starter at the PF position.

loved Juancho but it's time to tank


Thanks much for the info! I have been super curious about these guys! Don't get too attached though. Someone brought up a good point today. The Jazz have yet to have a press conference or anything on twitter " Welcome to Utah Malik Beasley!" or anything like that. Nadda. That reeaallly suggests they are planning on more moves this summer and any of these guys could be included.

Moreso the two young guys might not play in the summer league


1- The wolves had good defense last year, how'd they pull that off? Donovan and Hardy should really check this out and take notes. It will be interesting to see if we can duplicate this at all. They have D'lo, and we have Donovan, and we may end up with weak D at the 5 like the wolves too. D'lo was a lot more focused on D than Donovan was, but there's no reason he couldn't do this too.

How in the world are the wolves a top 10 defense?:

Probably credit the coaching staff which is good news for Gobert. Joining a top 10 D after leaving the 29th ranked D(without Rudy) :cheers:

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Let’s make something clear: Bolmaro is poor at putting the ball in the basket, both from range and inside. He shot a shockingly poor 31.5% from the field last season (granted, on a limited number of shots), and 27.8% from three. He simply can’t shoot the ball well. But, he has an exceptionally tight dribble. The dude is shifty. When he catches the ball in motion, Bolmaro is fantastic at changing directions at break-neck speed and pushing the pace. It makes him fun to watch, especially when he’s able to make some great passes like this:



He has shot well in the past in lower Spanish leagues so he certainly has the potential to hit the 3. Only 21. Sounds like maybe Manu was his hero? Loved that first gen of Argentinian players. Nice play!


He’s at his best in transition and can find players who run with him. Look at this one where he gets ahead of the defense and makes a sweet pass to the trailer:



Hardy said they were going to run. Might be why they liked this guy? Minny had a lot of young guys I'm sure they could have had(just not McDaniels).


At only 21 years old, Bolmaro has plenty of room to grow. He often gets ahead of himself and makes silly turnovers (in under 7 minutes a game, he somehow averaged 0.5 turnovers), but he’s a fun player with some on-court style. I was high on Bolmaro before the 2020 NBA Draft, and I’m likely still higher on him then most. But if he can develop some resemblance of a jumpshot, I think he could become a really impactful player on both ends.



that's not that bad on turnovers. His stats probably mean little here anyway. Was mostly garbage time. He filled the box score in his 3 gleague games


At a towering 7’1”, Walker Kessler stands as the pseudo 5th first-round draft pick the Utah Jazz received in the Rudy Gobert trade. Selected with the 22nd pick in the 2022 NBA Draft (a pick that was coincidentally Utah’s originally), Kessler fills a more prototypical big-man mold. Playing for Auburn in his sophomore season, Kessler averaged 11.4 points, 8.1 rebounds, and an astronomical 4.6 blocks per game. Using his gigantic 7’4” wingspan, Kessler broke Auburn’s single-season record for blocks with a total 131. At the collegiate level, Kessler might be one of the greatest shot blockers of all time.



Decent wingspan I guess? Less than Gobert, Favors, Tony Bradley, Udoka and Bruno... Remember Udoka dominated defensively at Kansas too. Hasn't translated yet


Yet, as the NBA draft neared, many people had Walker Kessler falling on their draft boards. A large reason for that is his lack of lateral quickness. While Kessler was able to hold his own in pick-and-roles and drop-big coverage during college, many have concerns over his ability to defend against the speed, athleticism, and spacing at the NBA level. But to be honest, I think these concerns are a little overblown. When watching his film from last season, I noticed that he moves more like Rudy Gobert than Roy Hibbert. Obviously, Kessler is nowhere near the level of Gobert, but he runs and moves across the court much quicker than you’d expect. He doesn’t lumber around and has solid reaction time.




Just remember how slow Bradley was and how much quicker he got moving his feet after a few years of development. Kessler might be learning in an NBA rotation though


On the offensive end, Kessler mostly served as a rim-runner and lob threat at Auburn. His hands are solid and he’s got respectable touch around the rim. Surprisingly, Kessler shot 1.5 threes per game, but only connected on 20% of them. I’m not sure if he’s got NBA range, but I find it intriguing that he’s got confidence to shoot the ball.



the fact that he's been shooting them fairs well in him possibly becoming decent at least out there


While he’ll likely never become more than a bench-level shot blocker in the NBA, I think Kessler is an intriguing prospect that will battle for backup minutes against Udoka Azubuike next season. If you want to learn more about Kessler, Adam Spinella has a great pre-draft scouting report on him here:



Says 7'5 there.

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https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/7/8/23199233/an-in-depth-look-jarred-vanderbilt-malik-beasley-other-recent-trade-acquisitions-the-utah-jazz-nba


The 2018 second-round draft pick projects as the most promising player Utah received in the deal. Standing at 6’9” with a 7’1” wingspan, the 23 year old from Kentucky has shown his ability to serve as a versatile defender on a playoff team. Last year for the Timberwolves, in 67 starts, Vanderbilt put up modest averages of 6.9 points, 8.4 rebounds, 1.3 assists, 1.3 blocks, and 0.6 steals in 25 minutes a night.



23 and can't shoot the 3. He's good but Hopefully Kessler, Bombaro and the future picks are the best players in the draft. Certainly have more upside. Unless he's a wing 7'1 is not long.


Well, advanced statistics are messy and require a great deal of context. Last season, Minnesota ranked near the bottom of the league with a poor defensive rating of 111.7. Unless you are a generational defender like Rudy Gobert (consequently the player Minnesota traded for), it’s hard for a player to stand out on a poor defensive team. As a result, we have to look Vanderbilt’s film and physicals to judge his defensive potential. His strong 215lb frame and long arms give him the ability to effectively defend all five positions on the court. And that shows in plays like this:



That play is something Rudy is so good at. Even if you beat him off the dribble he can still make a play on a driver


Here, Vanderbilt uses his long arms to first disrupt the swing on the perimeter. Then, after getting behind the offensive player, Vanderbilt recovers beautifully for the block. The Jazz haven’t had this type of defensive versatility in years.



his arms aren't long unless he's a wing!


And take a look at this play, where Vanderbilt uses his long wingspan to get into passing lanes:



threw it right at him! Nothing to do with wingspan


Again, this type of perimeter length has been absent from Utah’s defensive arsenal. It will go a long way in increasing their playoff “switchability” next season (should they be that competitive, which is a question in itself).



it's not a question or shouldn't be anyway


Finally, look at this clip of Vanderbilt moving his feet well on the perimeter and poking the ball away from the offensive player. To me, this type of defense really shows why many thought that Vanderbilt was a dark horse for an All-Defensive Team selection last season:



he certainly looks like he can defend but unless he can stretch the floor or protect the rim he only has so much value in today's game. He appears to, be more of an old school 4


Personally, I believe that Vanderbilt is worth keeping for the Jazz. He’s a buy-low prospect with some fantastic upside. If he can develop a jumpshot, Utah has a great player in their hands.



Rudy is gone. Let's stay away from the word great until it's actually warranted which I'm guessing we won't need to use until at least next season!


On defense, Beasley has consistently stood as net-negative. Basketball Index ranks Beasley as a “low activity” defender and pegged him at a -1.17 D-LEBRON. Yet, contradictory to his negative catch-all advanced defensive statistics, Beasley ranks in the 82nd percentile in pick-and-roll ball handler defense, just below players like Jimmy Butler. In my eyes, Beasley’s defensive production is a product of his effort. When he tries, he’s not too bad. When he doesn’t, he’s pretty poor. Sound like a familiar story Jazz fans?



Let's just goodbye now ok?! :applause:


But at this point in his career, figuring out who Malik Beasley is on the court is less difficult than finding out who he is off the court. In 2021, Beasley served 120 days in jail due to charges of felony threats of violence and felony drug possession. Those...don’t sound too great. Has Beasley turned a page since serving time in jail? Maybe! He hasn’t had any run-ins with the law since then. But obviously, this still stands as a big question mark on his resume.



He would have never played for the Jazz when Larry was alive. Ainge is supposed to have the same values?

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/09/utah-jazz-debate-series-three-ways-utah-won-the-gobert-trade/


The Jazz will now be looking to move forward with Mitchell as the clear star and leader of the franchise, but after nine seasons with Utah, it’s a good idea to pay tribute to the star defensive center. Gobert was a warrior and a constant defensive presence for this squad, and his departure comes with both negative and positive ramifications.



good luck being a star on a bad team!


This was perhaps the biggest factor in moving Rudy Gobert, as the Jazz were able to acquire a stockpile of draft picks, which they can use to add different, more fitting pieces to this team to make a run, or, they can simply move Donovan Mitchell, and have a gigantic haul of draft picks going forward. Either way, moving Gobert was necessary, and to get five first round draft picks in return was better than anyone could have expected, and now it opens up the future of the Jazz to go in whichever direction Danny Ainge and the front office desire.



Mitchell and assets is what you want. If he doesn't like it he can go too! moving your best player was necessary?


Like the rest of the NBA, the Utah Jazz are waiting to see what happens with Kevin Durant’s trade situation, but once that clears up, there are many targets that the Jazz can look to acquire with all this newfound draft capital. Whether Utah look to make moves to win now or whether they want to completely rebuild the franchise and move on from Donovan Mitchell, the astronomical haul in the Rudy Gobert trade is what made this possible, and is one of the biggest reasons why this was such a win for Utah.



please tell me the moves that will put them in a win now situation? Collins is the only one I've liked. At least he's not on a max deal. I doubt they would be any good still though without Gobert!


The partnership between Mitchell and Gobert has been deteriorating for years, and while it may not stem from Rudy’s lack of offensive game, it certainly played a role in their decreasing lack of chemistry on the court. This was evident by the fact that Mitchell averaged less than 2 passes, not assists to Gobert per game, and this move is clearly best for both of them, as it clears them up to be the best version of themselves on their own.



Gobert is certainly in a better situation than he's ever been. Sad that the Jazz wasted the past 7 years plus of him! I'm guessing Mitchell might not like his new situation unless he doesn't mind losing


With scoring and stretch fives being the norm in today’s NBA, it was time for the Jazz to add scoring to go along with Mitchell and Bojan Bogdanovic, adding an element that Utah haven’t had in all their failed playoff runs over the past six seasons. This means a downgrade defensively, but the potential added offense will help this team come playoff time, and if they can add defense at other positions, it makes the trade all the more worth it for the Jazz.



they had the best offense in the league. It was historically great before the injuries came. It sucked in the playoffs. New coach could change that. Bojan and Mitchell leading the D isn't encouraging!:roll:


The Utah Jazz didn’t want to be saddled with two massive contracts moving forward, and moving on from Gobert was a great way to free up cap flexibility for the future, giving them the chance to make more moves in the coming weeks. It’s not yet been confirmed which direction the Jazz want to go in following this trade, but if they want to acquire a big name (such as John Collins, Myles Turner or DeAndre Ayton), this gives them the ability to potentially find a way to make it happen.



lottery


It doesn’t need to be this off-season either, so if Utah want to play the long, patient game, then this allows them to be patient in waiting for a star playing to pair with Donovan Mitchell down the line.



might be waiting a long time. We may have still been waiting now if not for the emergence of Gobert. Hayward an all star without Gobert? Probably not. Mitchell certainly wouldn't be. Would have been no need for Conley


On the other hand, if the Jazz want to go into a full rebuild mode, similar to Oklahoma City, this new flexibility will allow them to take on a large salary or two in order to stockpile more draft picks for the future, especially if a team like the Knicks come calling for Donovan Mitchell with 4-5 first round picks. It would have no doubt been a tough decision to trade the franchise’s best ever center away, but given all the flexibility it gives them going forward, it was no doubt the best move this franchise could have made.



Plenty of doubt. If Gobert ends up the best player in the trade(which is likely) Minnesota wins

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/09/utah-jazz-debate-series-utah-lose-gobert-trade/


The Utah Jazz (https://thejnotes.com/) were heralded for fleecing the Minnesota Timberwolves out of four picks for star center Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), and on paper, it looks like Utah got the better end of the biggest trade so far this season. However, it was not the perfect trade for the franchise and it may have not been as one-sided as a move as initially thought.



Minnesota got the best player. They won the trade until proven otherwise


The only way they could even make a move to add a center is by shipping out some of the draft capital they gained in the trade, which might upset some fans who believe the future of the franchise depends on drafting well. This is probably true, but if Utah wants to win now then they need to make moves to do so, even if it means sacrificing aspects of their future.



they can't sign a free agent or trade something else?:facepalm


When the dust settles from the trade, it should be clear that Utah has assets, but no guarantees that the assets will pan out. They will need to work their young players, find talent, and make other deals with teams to add frontcourt players to the roster, otherwise, the return could be next to nothing.



they'll probably get something. Not likely one of the best players in the league though

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/07/utah-jazz-pay-tribute-departing-star/


With Mitchell now the clear face of the Jazz franchise and a new head coach in town (https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/06/will-hardy-shines-in-first-press-conference-as-utah-jazz-head-coach/), this team has a bright future and plenty of potential for the next era in Jazz franchise history, but these tributes show just how fondly remembered Rudy Gobert will in the hearts of Utah Jazz fans and the front office.

not sure how clear it is. I'd guess they'll start the season with some vets around Mitchell to give him a chance to show he can lead them. When he fails the fire sale will happen. If he wants to be part of a tanking team and the clear face of the franchise we will know then

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Keith Smith: The Milwaukee Bucks have signed Rayjon Tucker and Luca Vildoza to non-guaranteed training camp contracts, (https://*********.com/social/) a league source tells @spotrac.
– via Twitter KeithSmithNBA (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)

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Tony East: The Malcolm Brogdon trade is official, Pacers say. He’s a Celtic – Aaron Nesmith, Daniel Theis, Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan and Nik Stauskas are Pacers. Indiana gets a 2023 first-round pick as well (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter TEastNBA (https://twitter.com/TEastNBA)

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Keith Smith: The Utah Jazz have signed first-round pick Walker Kessler (https://*********.com/social/). All 30 2022 first-round picks have signed their rookie scale contracts.

– via Twitter KeithSmithNBA (https://twitter.com/KeithSmithNBA)



guessing he's not playing today?

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Eric Walden: Asked if Donovan Mitchell could be traded or is considered “untouchable,” Zanik said that Mitchell is very important to the Jazz, but that situations evolve in championship-building. Added, “but there’s no ‘intent’ there.” (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)





Ben Anderson: Justin Zanik on Donovan Mitchell: “He’s a high character, highly motivated player who wants to be great. We continue to give him resources to do that and accomplish that. (https://*********.com/social/) He is a driven young man.” #takenote | @kslsports
– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)







Eric Walden: Asked if the Jazz re considering playing Donovan Mitchell more as the primary ball-handler, CEO Danny Ainge said the team has had such conversations, and views him as capable of being the team’s future point guard (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)







Ryan McDonald: The Jazz have been keeping Donovan and his reps “in the loop” on transactions, (https://*********.com/social/) Justin Zanik says
– via Twitter ryanwmcdonald (https://twitter.com/ryanwmcdonald)






Ryan Miller: Justin Zanik: “Donovan has been very supportive of all of the things that we’re doing.” (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter millerjryan (https://twitter.com/millerjryan)



untouchable? :facepalm






Eric Walden: Zanik said the Jazz loved Rudy Gobert, and that “Rudys don’t grow on trees,” but it got to the point that when the Wolves made the offer they did, the front office decided “this is in the best interest of the organization.” (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter tribjazz (https://twitter.com/tribjazz)



we'll see






Ryan Miller: Danny Ainge on getting more flexibility:”This season wasn’t very much fun. The draft wasn’t very much fun. Free agency wasn’t very much fun. We were over the over the tax, no draft picks, and our team loses in the first round and it wasn’t it wasn’t fun for us.” (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter millerjryan (https://twitter.com/millerjryan)







Tony Jones: Justin Zanik: our goal is to build a championship roster. (https://*********.com/social/) We fell short this year. So we need to try and open up the next window. And we hope the next window will be a long window
– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)






Ben Anderson: Justin Zanik on Walker Kessler: “We’re excited about Walker Kessler, (https://*********.com/social/) he’s a first round pick and a center who put up some really good numbers, both offensively and defensively for a top program in Auburn.” #TakeNote | @kslsports
– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)







Ben Anderson: Justin Zanik on Leandro Bolmaro: “A former 1st round pick and getting settled here in the United States. He’s big, he can play multiple positions and can handle the ball (https://*********.com/social/). We’re hoping to integrate him here in summer league now that the trades official.” #TakeNote | @kslsports
– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)



good. Is he in Vegas?

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James Ham: League source confirms that the Kings will workout veterans Matthew Delavedova, Quinn Cook and Shabazz Muhammad this week in Las Vegas. (https://*********.com/social/) Team has 3 open roster spots. @Dave McMenamin and @Marc J. Spears first with news.

– via Twitter James_HamNBA (https://twitter.com/James_HamNBA)





Tim MacMahon: Jazz CEO Danny Ainge and GM Justin Zanik agreed with Rudy Gobert’s opinion that Utah’s win-now window had closed. (https://*********.com/social/) Zanik: “We fell short, so we need to recalibrate and try to go and open up the next window and hopefully it’s a long one. We’ve got work to do to start that.”
– via Twitter espn_macmahon (https://twitter.com/espn_macmahon)




Rudy didn't think their window had closed. He would never say that. He said he thinks the Jazz thought that and obviously they did or at least Danny wanted to make deals

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Had a fuller roster tonite in the win. Liked what I saw from Bolmaro. He didn't shoot very good. I thought it looked pretty good at first but I think he has a bit of a hitch. They let him run the offense quite a bit. He's pretty good with the ball in his hands and will pass the ball Wasn't afraid to bang on D. Kind of reminded me of Nocioni or maybe Delfino?

Juang has an NBA body.

Bruno, Butler and Cockburn played well again. Morsell also played for first time. I think Funderburke is the only one that hasn't yet

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Partizan NIS Belgrade officially announced the addition of Dante Exum. (https://basketnews.com/news-174974-official-dante-exum-lands-in-partizan-belgrade.html) It’s their second reinforcement this off-season after signing Danilo Andjusic.

– via BasketNews (https://basketnews.com/news-174974-official-dante-exum-lands-in-partizan-belgrade.html)




guess things didn't go well in Spain? Can't imagine you leave Spain unless it's for the NBA

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Tony Jones: Alex Jensen and Lamar Skeeter are emerging as strong candidates to be added to new Utah Jazz head coach Will Hardy’s staff, (https://*********.com/social/) League Sources tell The Athletic. Jensen and Skeeter were both assistants under Quin Snyder. Skeeter is coaching the Jazz’ summer league team in Vegas

– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)




Alex was around before COTM. I'm sure he's happy staying home and getting to work with Kessler

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https://www.ksl.com/article/50437338/-bolmaro-juzang-make-summer-league-debut-for-jazz-in-win-over-hawks

(https://www.ksl.com/article/50437338/-bolmaro-juzang-make-summer-league-debut-for-jazz-in-win-over-hawks)
The Jazz announced they signed Kessler to a contract on Saturday afternoon, but the team is keeping the 2022 SEC Defensive Player of the Year out of Summer League games due to a minor toe injury sustained during pre-draft workouts.



lame!

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https://www.ksl.com/article/50437319/jazz-brass-admit-the-title-window-had-closed-the-offseason-is-about-opening-a-new-one


Zanik: "We're still in free agency and the offseason, so we're going to look at every opportunity. We still have a couple roster spots open and, obviously, the evaluation of Summer League and any other opportunities that come up to continue to do what we can to balance and improve the roster. But we're happy with a lot of the guys that are coming in from Minnesota, and I think they all can contribute in some way. So we'll see how it goes, but it's kind of we're in the middle of it right now."



which ones from Minnesota aren't they happy with? Guess we'll find out soon!


Ainge: "I agree with that. … We talked about those things a lot. But we'll be able to talk more when we have our team together and our final roster's put together and be able to answer the second part of your question more. I honestly don't know."



come on Danny. You're smarter than that. You really think they can be competitive without Gobert? Doubt Danny even wants to. Only reason they will is because of Mitchell. He'll get until the trade deadline to show it


Zanik: "What it does is allows you to have a lot of very interesting conversations with teams calling because of just the flexibility that you have. So you have a chance to talk about different concepts or deals — both now and really for the next five or six years. And our goal is to continue to add primary players and build a base that has a chance to be competitive and win a title down the road. So those assets allow you different pathways to accomplish that; whether you're selecting or you're moving those picks on for other players."



if you have flexibility the next 5 or 6 years it will likely mean that you suck!

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/9/23202336/utah-jazz-look-much-improved-in-summer-league-win-over-atlanta-hawks


Should we talk about Bruno? Yes, let’s talk about Bruno. Caboclo had 11 points, 8 assists, and was a perfect 5/5 from the field. Caboclo has looked like an NBA rotation big in every game with the Jazz. With the upcoming season not far away, and the Jazz still reshaping their roster, they’d be smart to hold onto Caboclo. He should, at the very least be invited to training camp. With Rudy Gobert gone, the Jazz have a major hole at the center spot and Caboclo looks like a perfect, mobile, switchable big that could be a nice backup center option. And if the Jazz go into a full rebuild, it’s not a bad idea to take a chance on guys like this that could be options for the team years into the future. Whatever happens with Caboclo, it’s been one of the fun stories of this summer league.

Let's say he's just a 3rd big or a gleague guy before we make him a backup since that's what he is. A guy on the fringe of the NBA.

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/09/2-takeaways-utah-jazz-las-vegas-summer-league-game-one/


Sure, they are still lacking a prospect that’s pushing the NBA roster immediately and making headlines around Las Vegas, but for Jazz fans, to see the improvement in the team as a whole from the last few days is promising, and this is a team that could really make some noise over the next week. Next up is the Dallas Mavericks on Monday, and after tonight’s performance, the Jazz could go on a quick run here in Summer League.



Butler and Bolmare should get a shot at the rotation. Why trade Rudy if you aren't going to play young guys after years of COTM ignoring them?


The Utah Jazz have head to have a single player stand up head and shoulders above the competition or even his teammates, but over the past 3 games, they’ve had three names that have consistently performed and led this team, as they start Las Vegas Summer League by taking their record to 1-0. James Palmer Jr. and Jared Butler were expected to be solid for this team, but the name that has been standing out over the past three games most of all is Brazillian center, Bruno Caboclo.



Bruno is the guy I expected something from.

Palmer?


Unfortunately, neither man stood out in this game, and while there’s definitely no reason for Jazz fans to be worried, it would have been good to see if either one could step up and make a name for themselves under such a bright spotlight. They only managed eight points between them, but other aspects of their game showed why both have great potential, and if the Jazz can be patient with their development, we may be looking at future Utah Jazz role players.



Bolmaro stood out. I'll take him. You get Palmer! :lol


His first Las Vegas game saw him put together a very level headed 15, 7 & 3, and if this is a sign of things to come, the Jazz could be looking at a viable option for a point guard off the bench in 2022. The guard situation for the Jazz at the NBA right now is muddled, and won’t be cleared up over the next few weeks, but if Butler can continue playing a controlled game in Summer League, he could play himself into significant minutes for this team in the future.



how do you know when it will be clear? Could be at any time

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/09/3-starting-center-options-utah-jazz-2022/


The Utah Jazz (https://thejnotes.com/) finally moved on from Rudy Gobert (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html), trading him to the Minnesota Timberwolves for a haul of players and picks, and while the deal was a great one for the Jazz, it leaves them with a massive hole in their lineup ahead of the 2022/23 NBA season. With plenty of newfound draft capital and cap space, there are plenty of options for Utah to try and replace their three-time Defensive Player of the Year, but how exactly they go about filling this hole depends completely on which direction this franchise is looking to go in the near future.

finally moved on from a statue!!! :facepalm

Udoka, Kessler and a vet. Kessler to the Stars if not ready. It's not complicated



That will mean the Jazz may have to pay a bit more than they would have liked, but if they include a player or two and a first round pick, they may be able to make the trade happen, and bring back a center who is seemingly on the rise, and can help this team compete in 2022/23. If the Jazz are to look outside the organization for center help, Poeltl is likely the best candidate, and at only 26-years old, he could not only help Utah compete in 2022/23, but he could be a consistent part of this franchise for years to come.



they aren't going to compete but he'd actually be a good young vet if they don't think Kessler is ready yet


While the Jazz haven’t officially gone into a rebuild by trading Donovan Mitchell, they may need to look to some younger players to fill roles, and while it’s not the ideal move, they could ask Walker Kessler, an Auburn rookie they received in the Gobert trade to fill the Frenchman’s shoes. We haven’t yet seen him don the Jazz Notes jersey, as he was left off the Summer League roster (presumably due to the fact that the trade didn’t become official until Summer League had commenced), so it may be a little premature to dub him as the next starter, but he has all the tools to make it happen.



let's start with Udoka since he has already been solid as the starter! definitely premature to put a rookie ahead of him


Given the amount of picks the Jazz got for Rudy Gobert, as well as the young players they can include in the deal, this one seems like a no-brainer, as they could sign Turner to a long term deal, and begin to build this team around Mitchell and Turner, which could help as they look to stay afloat in the Western Conference. Turner’s services won’t come cheap, as the Pacers have been incredibly patient with dealing him, but if Utah believe he can be a big part of a team that can retool and compete in the Western Conference, then don’t be surprised to see them do all they can to make this trade happen.



building around Mitchell and Turner! :roll:

defensively Turner is good and he can stretch the floor. He actually might be a great fit next to Vanderbilt since he is a poor rebounder. Hard to get too excited about Mr.Hype and a role player leading the squad through the 2020's though. Ainge has to be thinking a lot bigger than that


What about Hassan Whiteside? I thought he looked very good at backup center for the Jazz last year, is still available in free agency, and could probably be re-signed with no more than a portion of the Jazz's non-taxpayer mid-level exception-- probably in the $6.5 to $7 mil. range (and perhaps for less than that). Of course I'd like either DeAndre Ayton or Myles Turner, but I expect Phoenix and Indiana to do a swap, unless Phoenix actually makes a move for Kevin Durant, in which case one them may be available. Playing Kessler would be a full-out tank move. He's about two years away from being two years away.





God no!!!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/10/rumors-suggest-conley-bogdanovic-next/


The Jazz have allegedly been using Bojan Bogdanovic (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bogdabo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and Mike Conley (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/conlemi01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) in other trade talks, although it is still unclear what they are asking for.


The Jazz have been dangling Mike Conley and Boban Bogdanovic in trade talks the last few days, per sources.

The Jazz are willing to attach first round pick(s) to help facilitate a potential deal.

— Ross (@LegionHoopsRoss) July 9, 2022 (https://twitter.com/LegionHoopsRoss/status/1545803531080302592?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



Where's Clarkson, Gay,Beverley and Beasley? Can't imagine having to attach picks unless it's for Gay. Conley sucked in the playoffs but he's still good


Getting both Conley and Bogdanovic’s contracts off the books would help open up some cap space, as both have multiple years left on their deals that add up to roughly $106 million over five total seasons. If Utah is serious about attaching first-round picks to these contracts, then they are either looking for a massive return of win-now players, maybe who can help overload the frontcourt, or maybe they want to nab a few future pieces, although if that’s the case why would they be willing to part with picks?



you have no idea if it will open up cap space. They might take on more salary


We’ve explored some trades Utah could make (https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/02/utah-jazz-three-win-now-trades-newfound-draft-capital/) to find the missing piece, and all of them were fairly similar to what the rumors suggest, so it would not be a shock if Utah decided to win now. With Phoneix seemingly on the decline, Denver still without a solid identity as their best players come back, and both Los Angeles teams are fledgling, the West still belongs to Golden State, and Utah could throw their hat in the ring.



You forgot Minnesota! Jazz are competing for lottery balls rather they know it yet or not. I'd like to think Danny is smart enough to know that but I've got my doubts since COTM still had a job!

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Alex Schiffer: Ben Simmons and Royce O’Neale just walked in to take in the Nets-Sixers game (https://*********.com/social/).

– via Twitter Alex__Schiffer (https://twitter.com/Alex__Schiffer)



not him Royce! :facepalm

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Ben Anderson: Malik Beasley on new @Utah Jazz teammate Patrick Beverley: “You’ve got to listen to him because he knows the game. (https://*********.com/social/) A lot of people don’t know he’s made the playoffs every single year he’s played in the NBA.” #TakeNote | @kslsports

– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)





Ben Anderson: Malik Beasley on fixing his image: “I was just tired of making the same mistakes that I’ve made before. I don’t want to go through that anymore. (https://*********.com/social/) I believe in second chances, I believe everything happens for a reason. So I feel like I can just do better in the world.” @kslsports

– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)







Tony Jones: Malik Beasley said he has the potential to be an all-star (https://*********.com/social/) and wants to realize that potential
– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)






Tony Jones: Malik Beasley: I want to reintroduce my whole image. I want to reintroduce my whole brand” (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)




all star! Big 2?

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Alex Schiffer: Ran into Royce O’Neale in the hallway. Asked him if his phone blew up last week because he was the subject of Brian Windhorst’s now legendary, ‘What’s going on in Utah?’ bit. (https://*********.com/social/) Said he had a few people directing it his way after it went viral.
– via Twitter Alex__Schiffer (https://twitter.com/Alex__Schiffer)

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Ben Anderson: Jarred Vanderbilt on new @Utah Jazz guard Patrick Beverley: “He was one of our vocal leaders last year, always good to have that veteran presence, (https://*********.com/social/) especially with a young team that we had. So he brings a lot to the team that doesn’t show up in stats.” #TakeNote | @kslsports
– via Twitter BensHoops (https://twitter.com/BensHoops)

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After the Gobert trade, a league source told The Tribune that more than a handful of teams called the Jazz to inquire about the availability of Mitchell (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/10/whats-next-donovan-mitchell-utah/) — and the Jazz’s front office shut them all down. Those conversations, the Jazz felt, were league executives trying to pounce on a perceived opportunity to trade for Mitchell cheaply.
– via Salt Lake Tribune
(https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/10/whats-next-donovan-mitchell-utah/)



According to a league source, one offer came from Miami even before the Gobert trade was finalized. The Jazz, though, found that offer insufficient. (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/10/whats-next-donovan-mitchell-utah/) In addition, Miami’s win-now roster has limited picks and young players to trade.
– via Salt Lake Tribune


(https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/10/whats-next-donovan-mitchell-utah/)

Herro is potentially better than Mitchell all by himself given the opportunity

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Tim MacMahon: The whispers around the league are that Danny Ainge is not convinced that Donovan Mitchell can be the face of a contending franchise (https://open.spotify.com/show/4mOLvZqMud0JromeBgLpIh).

– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/4mOLvZqMud0JromeBgLpIh)




However, there is some skepticism among competing teams that the Jazz will be keeping Mitchell for the long term (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/10/whats-next-donovan-mitchell-utah/).
– via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/10/whats-next-donovan-mitchell-utah/)



I'm with ya Dan

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Mike Trudell: My favorite person in the building, Bill Bertka, is still scouting games, as he’s been doing since the 1950’s (https://*********.com/social/). Coach is 94 years young.

once with the Jazz

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/10/23202824/utah-jazz-free-agency-will-jazz-bring-back-juancho-hernangomez-eric-paschall-hassan-whiteside


Whiteside was the most significant contributor — of the four — for the Jazz last season, appearing in 65 games and averaging 8.2 points, 7.6 rebounds and 1.6 blocks per contest.

and he's the one they should avoid



The Jazz also have the ability to open an additional two roster spots later this year, after signing Kofi Cockburn and Jordan Usher to Exhibit-10 deals, if they so choose.



why those two? Usher didn't even play last game!

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/10/23202784/utah-jazz-offseason-moves-why-jazz-traded-rudy-gobert-danny-ainge-minnesota-timberwolves


“There are very few players in the NBA that do the things that Rudy does,” Zanik said. “Minnesota evaluated their own roster and made their decisions that he would accomplish a lot of the things that they were trying to get done as they try to move forward.

actually only one

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https://www.slcdunk.com/latest-utah-jazz-news-recent/2022/7/10/23203270/utah-jazz-announce-additions-of-walker-kessler-patrick-beverley-jarred-vanderbilt-and-malik-beasley


These additions to the team are already looking like fun players, and people, to get to know, and root for and is making this upcoming season seem much more interesting than last year. Yes, the Utah Jazz will be a worse team, but they’ll be interesting for the first time in years, and that’s something to be happy about.



I find them interesting every year at least to start. Usually burn out on it by the end. This past season House and Juancho actually made the end a little more interesting too. This year is certainly interesting just to see what kind of lineup Mitchell ultimately sucks with


Not sure we will be worse this year. Getting 3 NBA players for 1. Maybe 4 if Kessler is any good. Huge upgrades in perimeter defense with Vanderbilt and Beverley and another proven scorer in Beasley. Sign or trade for another center who will be able to replace 90% of Rudy's production (Hassan and Dok did last year when forced to play) and we are set. We weren't that good of a team last year in the second half. Could easily be better this year.

Whiteside and Dok 90% of a HOFer! Maybe Embiid or Jokic is available?

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/10/utah-jazz-retire-rudy-goberts-number/

Seriously? He should have a statue going up with him saluting but I'm sure won't now that they've decided it's Mitchell's team


Gobert was never an offensive threat, and seemingly didn’t improve that side of his game throughout his tenure in Utah, but his presence on the defensive end can’t be denied, as he went on to win three Defensive Player of the Year awards in 2018, 2019 and 2021. The defensive minded center’s in today’s game are becoming fewer and fewer by the year, as most are opting to improve their offensive game and focus solely on stretching the floor, but as an old-school big man, Gobert managed to impact the game on that end of the floor like few players have in a long, long time.



the top offensive rating ever. If only he wasn't so useless!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/10/johnny-juzang-disappoints-debut/


I do not want to overreact to one game, but Juzang needs his shots to fall. It’s a good thing that he was trigger-happy all night, and hopefully, as summer play continues he starts to hit those shots, but in his small showing thus far I was hoping for some electrifying results. Maybe too much was put on him, but if he wants to play in the NBA he needs to make shots, or at least better choices with the ball.

how often are their electrifying results in summer league especially in someone's first game

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/11/utah-jazz-5-best-summer-league-players-history/


2014 was his second summer stint, and the first one in 2013 was forgettable. No one watching knew the talent that he would eventually become, because in five games he only put up five points and six boards. He did, however, average 2.4 blocks that year.



a mere months before he turned the teams fortunes around!


Aside from total points, Hood was a much better all-around player. He could shoot, pass, and rebound better, and his defense was comparable, if not better. Hood is fifth in Utah summer scoring and fourth in minutes. He never erupted for over thirty, but he was a consistent 15ppg guy who knew how to find the open man. Despite averaging one less point than Burks, he comes in ahead simply because of his well-rounded game. Looking at his Summer League play, it’s a wonder he didn’t become a do-all starter in the league for more than two seasons.



Hood was a better rebounder and passer than Burks? It's a wonder that Hood can't even make it as a 6th man because he can't stay on the floor.


Lyles is second all-time in summer scoring for Utah, fourth in rebounds, and third in minutes. In two summer seasons, he averaged 17 points, but in his games in 2016 he went off, scoring 13, 26, 22, 28, then 30. He was always a double-double threat, and he could step outside to knock down the shot from deep.



I thought he was awful that year. Jazz made a big mistake putting the ball in his hands. He suddenly thought he was his hero Kobe and was never the same after that


You knew this was coming, right? I mean, he’s arguably the best Jazz player since the 1990s, so of course, he balled out in the Summer League. Donovan Mitchell (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/mitchdo01.html) is first in points, minutes, and steals so that alone is enough to rank number one on pretty much any list.



he's not better than Rudy, Hayward, Millsap, Deron, AK, Boozer...top 7 maybe?


At the end of the day, Mitchell is a franchise player with multiple All-Star appearances and is one of the best scorers in the game. Ball, on the other hand, never really got much better after his rookie year, so I guess Utah fans got the last laugh.



we'll soon see if he's a franchise player or even an all-star. I'm guessing he's not

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https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/07/10/nba-power-rankings-draft-free-agency/5/


20. Utah Jazz

After the Utah Jazz traded Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves, Donovan Mitchell is now the lone star for the team. He will be asked to carry his supporting cast to the playoffs and possibly beyond as the team tries to retool around him.



they aren't a playoff team :facepalm

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The Pacers and Celtics announced their trade Saturday, sending veteran point guard Malcolm Brogdon from Indiana to Boston in exchange for a 2023 first-round pick and five players: Nik Stauskas, Daniel Theis, Aaron Nesmith, former IU star Juwan Morgan and Malik Fitts. However, a league source told IndyStar on Sunday that the Pacers are waiting for Brogdon to pass a physical so the trade can become official and Nesmith can become eligible for Indiana’s Summer League team in Las Vegas. (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2022/07/11/pacers-malcolm-brogdon-must-pass-physical-complete-celtics-trade/10027784002/) Nesmith attended the Pacers’ Summer League opener against Charlotte on Friday and sat courtside at Thomas & Mack Center with his new teammates Jalen Smith, Tyrese Haliburton and Oshae Brissett.
– via James Boyd @ Indianapolis Star (https://www.indystar.com/story/sports/nba/pacers/2022/07/11/pacers-malcolm-brogdon-must-pass-physical-complete-celtics-trade/10027784002/)





Ian Begley: Knicks announce they’ve completed trade to send Alec Burks and Nerlens Noel Pistons, (https://*********.com/social/) so 3-team sign and trade btn DET, DAL & NYK to acquire Jalen Brunson is off the table: pic.twitter.com/EGitjSVxsO
– via Twitter IanBegley (https://twitter.com/IanBegley)

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One NBA general manager who spoke with ********* at Vegas Summer League wondered if Ayton is better served accepting his $16.4 million qualifying offer to go into unrestricted free agency next summer. (https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-trade-talks-deandre-ayton-free-agency/) At that time, there will be more teams with cap space available. Teams with potential max cap space next summer include the Pistons, Rockets, Pacers, Grizzlies, Thunder, Magic, Spurs and Jazz.
– via Michael Scotto @ ********* (https://*********.com/lists/nba-rumors-kevin-durant-kyrie-irving-trade-talks-deandre-ayton-free-agency/)

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JD Shaw: The Timberwolves have officially signed Bryn Forbes. (https://*********.com/social/) Forbes was important during the Bucks’ 2021 title run. He split time with the Spurs and Nuggets last season, averaging 8.8 points on 41% shooting from deep.

– via Twitter JShawNBA (https://twitter.com/JShawNBA)



good fit with Rudy

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I think Butler can shoot? Juzang looked better including putting the game away for them after they almost blew it. He moves good with and without the ball. Funderburke played hard and with a lot of energy. Tacko isn't an NBAer at that size Maybe with the Stars? Got some good bigs. Bolmaro fills the box score. Hopefully they can figure out his shot!

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https://kslsports.com/489435/walker-kessler-perfected-shot-blocking-watching-gobert/

I was real impressed by him. Smart kid! Looks like he'll need to get stronger. Might be just the guy to lead the D for years to come? Can't wait to see him play in October!

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/11/23204156/are-the-utah-jazz-winners-or-losers-in-free-agency-so-far-what-national-media-say-nba-rudy-gobert


“If Mitchell eventually asks out, he’ll bring back an even bigger haul and Utah will be armed to the teeth for a full-scale rebuild,” Botkin wrote.



not convinced he will bring back more. He's not worth as much as the Hawks gave up for Dejounte. He's a one trick pony When the Jazz suck this year with their new leader and he's not an all star anymore his value will drop


“This is a freaking haul for a Jazz franchise that has Mitchell, a first-round pick in 2023 (courtesy of Thursday’s Royce O’Neale trade) and all its own first-round picks minus a top-10 protected selection in 2024 that will go to the Thunder if it’s No. 11 or higher (which doesn’t seem likely),” Pina wrote. “Without Gobert, next season Utah will become one of the worst teams in the Western Conference. And before Mitchell’s current contract expires, there’s a decent chance Ainge flips him for another desirable package.



I'd expect them to be one of the 10 worst teams in 2024. They will be tanking by the trade deadline this season

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/11/23204156/are-the-utah-jazz-winners-or-losers-in-free-agency-so-far-what-national-media-say-nba-rudy-gobert


“If Mitchell eventually asks out, he’ll bring back an even bigger haul and Utah will be armed to the teeth for a full-scale rebuild,” Botkin wrote.



not convinced he will bring back more. He's not worth as much as the Hawks gave up for Dejounte. He's a one trick pony When the Jazz suck this year with their new leader and he's not an all star anymore his value will drop


“This is a freaking haul for a Jazz franchise that has Mitchell, a first-round pick in 2023 (courtesy of Thursday’s Royce O’Neale trade) and all its own first-round picks minus a top-10 protected selection in 2024 that will go to the Thunder if it’s No. 11 or higher (which doesn’t seem likely),” Pina wrote. “Without Gobert, next season Utah will become one of the worst teams in the Western Conference. And before Mitchell’s current contract expires, there’s a decent chance Ainge flips him for another desirable package.



I'd expect them to be one of the 10 worst teams in 2024. They will be tanking by the trade deadline this season


“Regardless, this was a masterful job by Ainge and the rest of Utah’s front office to squeeze every last drop of value from a center who already gave that team so much. They’re set up for great things down the line.”



he hasn't declined yet. Still improving. Not every last drop. They wasted almost every drop in the Gobert era not putting a team around him!


“Barring some other dramatic moves this offseason or miraculous improvements from players still on the roster, Utah is going to be worse over the next couple of seasons,” Bailey wrote.




if it's only a couple years bravo! You've got to get a player to build around and that can take more than a couple. Mitchell isn't that guy


“And if steering toward mediocrity gives Donovan Mitchell an excuse to ask (https://www.actionnetwork.com/nba/nba-intel-trade-rumors-draft-intel-early-free-agency-targets-2022-matt-moore) for a trade to a bigger market, this deal could feel like even more of a loss.”



let them have him if he wants


Unlike other analysts, writers Cydney Henderson and Jeff Zillgitt did not classify the Jazz as either a winner or loser so far. Rather, Utah was designated a To Be Determined (https://sports.yahoo.com/nba-free-agency-early-winners-174222712.html) for its offseason efforts.



which is correct

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https://saltcityhoops.com/the-mitchell-question-is-central-to-utahs-post-gobert-path/


In the 43 seasons the Jazz have belonged to Utah, just three of the franchise’s players have achieved all-league status at least four separate times: Karl Malone (14), John Stockton (11) and a certain Frenchman who’s suddenly figuring out how to forward mail to Minneapolis.



but it's time to build around someone that has 0!!! :coleman:


In other words, being competitive without Rudy Gobert on the roster is going to be a challenge. According to various stats that attempt to apportion credit for a team’s record (EPM, RPM, RAPTOR, Win Shares, LEBRON, etc.), the Jazz have gotten a bonus of somewhere between 10 and 17 wins just by having the Stifle Tower on their roster. Over the past five seasons combined, only three players have impacted winning more than Gobert as measured by luck-adjusted Regularized Adjusted Plus-Minus (http://nbashotcharts.com/rapm5?id=-1129977058): Giannis Antetokounmpo, Steph Curry and Nikola Jokic, who have six MVPs between them.



overpaid at less than full super max!!! :lol


Indeed, plugged-in folks tell me that the Jazz are not done roster-building yet. They’re just also not in a massive hurry.



obviously


That’s why I’ll stop short of guaranteeing that Mitchell doesn’t change addresses this summer; stuff changes constantly. As high as the bar ultimately was for the Jazz to move Gobert, I’d guess the threshold is similar or even higher for a Mitchell deal. There’s growing evidence to suggest that teams offering a bunch of decent-ish stuff for Mitchell just aren’t even in the ballpark (https://twitter.com/TheNBACentral/status/1546288799663230976?s=20&t=xMtXLjif6gkxMijuJLN4ZA), at least for now. That could change in a hurry… or not.



they'll ask for more than he's worth and probably get it because of the hype and the fact that there are a lot of stupid front offices


If it does change, the Jazz could suddenly find themselves in the middle of an honest-to-goodness rebuild. Many fans have noticed that it seems like a good year to dip into the lottery, with eight or nine potential stars atop the 2023 draft. But again, that doesn’t appear to be the way franchise brass are talking at the moment.



I think that is exactly where they're aiming with 3 picks already


If we take Zanik’s “primary players” designation to mean they want at least a borderline star to pair with Mitchell, the potential target list starts to get more finite. And where that circle overlaps on the Venn diagram with “bigger players” and “realistically gettable,” there are some obvious names to start with — though to be clear, these are purely this writer’s speculation. John Collins is still sitting there despite the whole world knowing of Atlanta’s desire to move on. Is he enough of a star at this point to fit the label? How much would the Jazz have to give up to get Turner on an expiring deal? Is Harrison Barnes more available than he was at the trade deadline? Is Toronto intent on keeping its glut of wings? Or is someone else available that we don’t know about? If that tier of player is unrealistic, there are non-star difference-makers who could help make Utah bigger and younger, if they’re available: P.J. Washington, Larry Nance, Jakob Poeltl, Kenrich Williams.



Their borderline star is Bojan. Bojan and Mitchell don't win. Don't think any of those guys and Mitchell do but I like the thought of Collins


Mitchell’s regular season stats plateaued last year, and then he had what could be accurately described as his worst postseason as a pro, especially struggling with defense, outside shooting, and some aspects of playmaking. But overall, he’s a player who’s still climbing. A new ecosystem could provide the backdrop for another mini-leap, and honestly Mitchell crossing that last tier into All-NBA waters is probably the only way of staying truly relevant in the short term. That’s a lot to ask of the young man, essentially saying he has to be an MVP candidates or the Jazz will backtrack — but that’s about the shape of it.



was awful after the break. This is what everyone should be talking about!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/11/3-power-forwards-the-utah-jazz-could-target-in-a-trade/


This is the most unlikely trade on the list, as although the draft picks would help Philly acquire a star alongside their two big names, they are likely just looking to make that happen in one trade, but if Utah can get the 76ers talking, they should certainly be trying to target pairing Tobias Harris with Donovan Mitchell going forward.



Mitchell/Harris on max deals? Harris might make more? Can't see them winning many games


The Knicks may not look to part with Randle for scraps, but if the Jazz are happy to offload some first round picks and a talented name or two like Malik Beasley, Leandro Bolmaro or other young players acquired in the trade, there’s a possibility that the Knicks take that deal and look to use all those picks to acquire a star. His fit alongside Mitchell, Bogdanovic and Mike Conley isn’t the worst, and if he can get back to form away from the spotlight in Utah, the Jazz may be on the precipice of taking the next step forward.



he's a little more intriguing because he did carry the Knicks a couple years ago. Last year would make me pause though!


Collins has been rumoured to be available for a while now, and if the Jazz can find the right deal, along with Mitchell, Bogdanovic and the talented bench that Utah possess, this could be a team that has potential to do some damage when it matters most in the next few seasons.



He makes less than max! who will carry this team though?

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/12/utah-jazz-change-name/

That time has passed. Should have done it when they moved here

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Joey Lynn: Sounds like Pat Bev is waiting for the Utah Jazz to decide which direction their franchise is going. “Utah ya’ll tryna win or ya’ll tryna tank, (http://twitter.com/joeylinn_/status/1546929769001799680?s=21&t=4uZhb20tAc67BedbtKz9Mw) let me know… We gon take Utah all the way, or Utah gon say they don’t need me and we can go somewhere else?”


Sounds like Pat Bev is waiting for the Utah Jazz to decide which direction their franchise is going.
“Utah ya’ll tryna win or ya’ll tryna tank, let me know… We gon take Utah all the way, or Utah gon say they don’t need me and we can go somewhere else?” pic.twitter.com/MHe6c5Nv7t (https://t.co/MHe6c5Nv7t)
— Joey Linn (@joeylinn_) July 12, 2022 (https://twitter.com/joeylinn_/status/1546929769001799680?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)



I'd think he and Conley will be gone. They say the window closed and than go get a new coach and Beverley and Beasley :facepalm

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Ira Winderman: Spoke to a Western Conference scout today here in Vegas about Donovan Mitchell. He said he has heard Heat have made interest clear. The long-time scout said he would move Herro in such a deal. (Robinson, picks likely also would have to go out.) (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter IraHeatBeat (https://twitter.com/IraHeatBeat)




Tony Jones: Let’s be clear about this: the Jazz are currently not close to a Donovan Mitchell trade. (https://*********.com/social/) And much like Gobert, they have no issues whatsoever in keeping him. Either a team is going to meet the bar to make this a convo, or he will be with the Jazz. They are not giving him away
– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)




I think Herro could be the better player. This could be a good deal

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Tony Jones: Expect the New York Knicks to quickly try and put together a package for Donovan Mitchell, according to league sources. (https://*********.com/social/) Utah’s bar for Trading Mitchell is sky high. But the Knicks are the team that has the assets to make this a conversation https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba/status/1546975643300028416

– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)





Adrian Wojnarowski: The asking price appears to be steep, but in the wake of Utah’s recent Rudy Gobert blockbuster deal to Minnesota, the Jazz are no longer simply dismissing calls on Mitchell, (https://*********.com/social/) sources said.
– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)







Adrian Wojnarowski: The Jazz are open to trades across the entire roster too, (https://*********.com/social/) but Mitchell is certainly the organization’s most valuable and coveted asset.
– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)




Knicks still want him after getting Brunson? Mitchell Robinson, Barrett...

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The Celtics are not expected to have interest in dealing for Mitchell per league sources given the high price tag and their recent offseason moves. (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html) However, a number of Eastern Conference rivals are expected to make plays for Mitchell. Let’s take a closer look at some of the possibilities in play on that front and what they could mean for the Celtics.
– via Brian Robb @ Booth Newspapers (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html)




The Celtics ideal scenario would be a lesser East squad such as the Knicks to put themselves in play for the high scoring guard, keeping Miami from firmly re-establishing themselves as a top contender in the East with another star acquisition. Other wildcard candidates out West would need to be considered as well (Dallas?) but a lot of teams around the league have already used assets on big names this summer in separate deals (Atlanta, Minnesota, etc.) (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html)
– via Brian Robb @ Booth Newspapers (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html)

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Joel Embiid officially received his French citizenship, (https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1368140/joel-embiid-was-granted-french-citizenship/) validated by the official gazette of the French Republic (Journal Officiel de la République Française) on June 4, according to a report by bebasket.fr. Cameroon-born Embiid was a strong MVP candidate during the 2021-22 NBA season with the Philadelphia 76ers, leading the league with 30.6 points scored per game.

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With his newly-acquired French passport, the possibility of him joining the French national team for the upcoming Paris Olympics in 2024 is more than viable, (https://www.eurohoops.net/en/national-teams/1368140/joel-embiid-was-granted-french-citizenship/) as there are no longer legal obstacles.
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Rudy, Joel and the 1st pick in next year's draft!

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I agree with this and think Snyder actually did this pretty well. I think the bigger problem was the FO's decisions kept UTA from having young players who had the potential to become valuable NBA players. Great development can only do so much if a person lacks a fundamental ability to play at an NBA-level. And there are definitely teams and coaches who are better at development (MIA and SAS probably top the list), but not being the best doesn't mean Snyder was bad.

Don't agree. They've had guys that could have helped. Many of them are still around so other teams obviosuly think they have some value. They beat Denver in the bubble if COTM plays Brantley, Tucker or Oni for just 5 minutes on Murray instead of Clarkson/Mitchell


think jazz gambled too much with high picks they had. exum obviously the best example as he had never played against real competition. everyone creamed their pants with how successful he had been in what were basically youth leagues.. i always thought of that pick as limited reward and very high risk.



trey burke was always going to be an undersized nba guard who liked to shoot first. kanter i have mixed feelings about, because he actually developed a genuine nba offensive game, albeit one suited to 20 years earlier. trey lyles was a bench player for kentucky. even the big man from last year was and oddball pick. with gobert on your roster why in hell would you choose him with a first round pick? we got favors on a trade, and i just never felt like we used him correctly.




they didn't work out Exum or Burke. I think Kanter actually could have fit better with Rudy because he showed 3 point ability early on. They could have had him playing the perimeter. D would have been an issue of course but Favors spotting up for 3 was a bad idea. Liked Lyles before they let him think he was Kobe. Kind of the same shit that happened with Hood. You take a big with your first because they had young guys developing at every other position. Center was the obvious pick. Rookies aren't going to play. You pick them so that this year you have Udoka, Nickel and Butler fighting for a cheap rotaion spot on a team that will be tanking by the end of the season


Grayson Allen is actually a solid rotation piece as much as people don’t like him. He’s not like an all star or anything, but he’s what you would hope for in a mid to late first round pick




but he had to go or he would have been playing 35 minutes a night


Yeah this isn't really fair to the Jazz or accurate. You can always look back and see who was drafted in all the picks after, but the draft is impossible to get right. Burks, Kanter, Hood, Allen have all started a lot of games in the NBA with the Jazz and/or after they left. Kanter being the 3rd pick makes it a little tougher, but look at the rest of that years top 10, there were a ton of busts worse than Kanter.

None are really starters though. Burks maybe?


I agree with you . I only wanted a new coach.




new coach and 6th man!


We just needed a different coach to hold DM accountable for defense and an improved wing



not all they needed but it was needed!


I still am a believer that the failings were on the offensive side, The Jazz would go into an offensive funk game after game, teams would have 17-2 or worse runs on the Jazz often. Then they would panic and start chucking up 3's. The team sucked last year and probably the year before at working together to win as a team.

in this playoff it was. Maybe Dallas was that good at D? Jazz D was good enough to win the series as it was when Houston beat them because of poor offense


Everyone keeps saying to bring in a star to pair with DM, being realistic who can they get?

What team wants to trade a young star player? (one without baggage)

Really would like to hear some trade suggestions that would be a good fit for DM and the Jazz.

exactly! Mitchell is on a max deal and he won't be an all-star without Gobert.


OG Anunoby

Ingram

Caris Levert

Tobias Harris

TJ Warren

Mikal Bridges

Josh Richardson

Collins

Miles Bridges

Rui Hachimura



We should try to get one of the above using Conley and players/FRPs we acquired from MIN

We should keep Clarkson and Bogie

We need to get taller

shit show


No wonder Ainge is in for a total rebuild, there's not much that can be done to get the Jazz better.

Too much is needed to get the Jazz going in the right direction and it's going to be a longer thing than getting a new "Batman" for Mitchell.


that's what I see. I think Mitchell may get a chance to start the year with vets but by the trade deadline the fire sale will be over hopefully. Mitchell can be part of it or not. I think if someone like the Knicks is stupid enough to give Ainge what he wants he'll be gone regardless



Jazz need four or five young athletic stars and it's going to take some time, enjoy the build!

4 or 5? is that sll they need? :roll:


Even if they win 0 games they still only have a 14% chance to get the #1 pick. But I guess the draft is supposed to be pretty loaded next year. Guarantee though at least one player in the top 5 will be a bust. Rebuilding is hard.

supposed to be deep. Get as many picks as you can in both rounds it sounds like


If we got such great assets in the Rudy Gobert trade, why shouldn't we be able to find a second star? Maybe we could trade for Kevin Durant--or at least Kyrie Irving. Both players are available.

the problem is you have 1 guy on a max deal that I'm not convinced is an all-star without someone carrying him


I think the best asset the Jazz got in the Rudy Gobert Trade was Jarred Vanderbilt. I just wish that Danny Ainge would have held out for Jaden McDaniels, as well.

if he ends up the best asset the Wolves butt raped Ainge


I know Barrett is really young and looks like a great prospect but I'm not convinced he's a future all-NBA player. I could be completely wrong, but this is why I'm not excited about trade packages from NYK.



can he be or is he better than Mitchell? I know he's cheaper! Just be glad Mitchell didn't get all NBA and have a super max deal!

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Just imagine Burks, Favors, Kanter, Gobert, Hayward, Exum and some combination of Giannis and Booker or both most on rookie contracts. That is what I am hoping is in Jazz future.

I'd hope for a lot more than that. Exum certainly is something I hope they never have again!


I don't really agree that the reason the young players didn't develop under Corbin was because they didn't get playing time. I've talked about this elsewhere, but I'm not convinced that giving playing time to players means they'll develop, and often when young players can't get on the court it's generally because they don't have the ability to be useful NBA players, or they aren't being developed off the court. Corbin was definitely a terrible coach but I think most development occurs outside of games; or at least the initial stages of development take place off court and at some point players do need to play but probably not until they've demonstrated some degree of competence. Just as an extreme example, no amount of minutes played could make me a useful NBA player because I'm not good enough to actually benefit from the playing time.

Yep. Lots of ways to develop. Sloan played Hayward as a rookie. Sloan didn't play just any rookie like COTM with Duke players. Corbin made the playoffs with an inefficient black hole!


As for Q, the examples I would point to were Exum and Burks. DL kept re-signing them even though they were getting DNPCD.

To me that's the difference between a great front office and one not so great. They know when to cut their losses. Everyone makes bad moves. It was obvious pretty early on that Exum wasn't an NBAer and the Wizard kept doubling down hoping the guy he picked over Smart and Randle would someday turn good! Then they end up with Clarkson on top of it and I'm still living that nightmare!


Hood was getting a lot of playing time (2nd most on team) didn't play defense well and his FG efficient was bad, yet always started and always played. DL traded Hood. The point I am making is the guys that got playing time got playing time just because. Burks had a rebound rate only behind Rudy and had better FG% than Hood, and averaged like the most FT attempts per minute on the team for backcourt players. On paper, Burks was way better than Hood, but Burks got DNPCD and Hood started and got 32 minutes per game. No rational basketball fan would say Burks was not good enough to get 1 minute of playing time game after game. So, then the story was "maybe Burks has a bad attitude" which was disproved when he was traded.

I wouldn't say Burks was way better. He is now. Burks had a lot of injuries as did Hood. Neither was a starter. That was the problem with Hood. They made him think he was better than he was when he was really just a 6th man like Burks. Take Hood over Clarkson too!


The point is that from Corbin to Q, playing time is not based on if you are better or worse than another player. Therefore, not playing does not mean players are not able to play. When Hood got hurt, Burks and DM were an awesome backcourt and the Jazz were blowing out teams. I would still argue that players develop by playing, just look at Rudy. Rudy was raw but the more time he got the more he developed. I'll agree it is not just playing time in a vacuum, but playing with other players as well.

He got better playing in the Gleague where he should have been all that year. People complained he should have been playing. He wasn't ready for the NBA physically and probably not confidence wise either. You can hurt a guy by playing him when he's not ready. Lose their confidence etc


millsap was only 27 his last year on jazz, and had improved every year in a jazz uniform. actually think he was one to keep. why would you have traded him at 25? he was exactly the type of player jazz should have been looking for




It wasn't so much that they let Millsap go it was that he left for 16 million for two years while Demarre got 2 or 4 million a year for 2. You keep those type of guys at that price. They never did realize what they had in Paul. He was better than Boozer. He was better than Al. He was better than Favors and Kanter. He was better than Hayward! He's the best player Rudy should have been playing with for years by far.


Regarding Burks, I think his lack of playing time had more to do with injuries and the emergence of Hayward and Hood than anything else.

injuries played a part but it was obvious he wasn't a COTM guy. They tried to force a guy that was so good at getting to the hole and the line in to a spot up 3 point shooter. Even when he played the way COTM wanted he still didn't like him.


Exum and Burke are even good examples that simply giving someone playing time is not a sufficient condition for someone to develop. Both were given minutes and neither ever really improved (Exum and injuries, but still).



Burke has improved after degressing with the Jazz


Gobert, DM, O'Neale, Ingles, Clarkson all flourished under Snyder. Obviously some players didn't, but many of those were out of the league shortly after leaving UTA or weren't that much better for other teams.

Pretty sure guys like Gobert are going to flourish anywhere. COTM starting O'Neale at the 4 and giving Ingles too big of a role were problems. Clarkson flourished! :roll:

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Mitchell should grab a huge treasure trove of assets. Remember, he has three years left on his deal and is just now entering his prime.



actually appeared to leave his prime after the all-star break. What was that all about?


Things are about to get nuts in Utah, and over the next few weeks, and it’s looking like it might officially be tanking season for the Jazz. Here’s to a season, or two, of #tanknote!



a season or two is being optimistic. If not for Rudy they still might be tanking from 2014


I'm still bitter about Burks. He is still producing, and the guys Q played with a clear double standard created a culture where players are not held accountable. A lot of us pointed it out years ago, and it eventually caught up to Q. Maybe if Q was as strict with everyone like he was with Burks, the Jazz would have had a more hard nose culture.

yep. Take Burks over Clarkson any day!


And the Conley deal turned out to be a clunker and the downfall of the franchise, as many worried it might be at the time it was made.

Hardly. Had their best team since Stockton and Malone. Fell short because of COTY, Clarkson, Mitchell...


All that to be a good #2 player, both were/are fringe all-stars.

Glad the Jazz can get assets to build with.

Gobert has been one of the best players in game for years based on many metrics. You are right about Mitchell


on a positive note folks , the new FO is no longer chasing old vets that are past their prime



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I get why a complete rebuild is intriguing and exciting. There's just a lot of hope and you don't have any expectations in the immediate future of winning so there's no stress watching games. But the Jazz have been very lucky for the past 40 years to not have any lengthy rebuild. It's fine for a couple years, but when you go into complete rebuild mode there's a real chance that you could be there for a long time.

someone gets it. You need stars. They are hard to come by. Jazz have only had two better than Gobert. Good luck replacing him!


A full rebuild will probably be 5-8+ years before UTA is a good playoff team.

Utah wins the trade! :lol


I think the prior FO did well young players, but Corbin did not do anything with developing (even playing) young players and heavily relying on vetzz. Milsap and Al should have been traded when Jazz trade DWill. And they both got big contracts the year after they walked from the Jazz, so Jazz could have traded them 2 years before with even more value.

Should have built around Millsap once Deron was traded. Al never made any sense. Could have had Millsap and Gobert which would have been better than Hayward or Mitchell. You keep those guys. You build around them


Should have been more picks, and then Trey Burke (at #9) was what seemed like a save pick, but dude had already hit his ceiling. CJ McCollum went 10 and Giannis 14.

CJ was my guy. Imagine Rudy, Millsap, Hayward and McCollum :cry:

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https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/7/12/23191929/rudy-gobert-leaves-utah-as-a-utah-jazz-legend


The Utah Jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com) traded Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves (https://www.canishoopus.com). It still doesn't feel real, and it's gotten me feeling like slapping a cup off the scorer's table, but it is true. Gobert likely won't wear a Utah Jazz uniform again.



I could see him coming back on his next deal after Danny has built a team. Come back and anchor the 2nd unit


Despite starting his sophomore season as the third big man in the pecking order, Gobert worked his way into the starting lineup. His defensive dominance was shining, and it became clear that he needed to be this team's anchor. Gobert became a fan favorite, earning nicknames like 'The Stifle Tower,' 'Gobzilla,' and 'The French Rejection.' After his biggest highlight plays, he'd salute the crowd.



I think he might have been 4th big to start the year? I did think he'd earned it. He had came a long ways that off season. More than anyone could have imagined! Never did salute again :cry:


Gobert was making his mark on the Utah Jazz history books. He climbed up the statistical leaderboards, cementing himself as an all-time great for this franchise.



NBA record books



Rudy Gobert ranks among Utah Jazz players:

1st DPOY
1st All-Defense
1st FG%, TS%, eFG%
1st WS/48
2nd Rebounds
2nd Reb/game
2nd Blk/game
3rd All-NBA
3rd Blocks
3rd Win Shares
T4th All-Star
5th Free Throws
5th Box +/-
7th Minutes
9th Wins
10th Field Goals
10th Points
10th Games
— Calvin Chappell (@CHALVIN2018) July 3, 2022 (https://twitter.com/CHALVIN2018/status/1543666940576677890?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


his assault on the NBA record books more impressive


In international play, Gobert became the face of the French national team and led them to their third-ever Olympic medal, the first in 20 years. He also won two FIBA Word Cup bronze medals and one Eurobasket bronze medal.



might back up Embiid now!


All those awards and the trade package mean nothing, because he didn't DO anything. He actually played worse in the playoffs. His team--of which he is supposedly the best player--lost in the first round. Two years ago to a team without their best player, and last year to a team that was missing their best player for three games.



I know there are players that were great but didn't win a ring, like Barkley, or Nash, or Stockton and Malone, for instance, but they had great performances IN the playoffs. They did their part. But Gobet gets worse in the playoffs. There are no great performances. Maybe we'll see some with the Wolves but I don't see how he can be a ledgend for the Jazz. If I was writing the headline I'd say, despite all the accolades and statistical achievements, Gobert was, at best, a no show when it mattered most.

It means everything. He's carried a franchise for over 7 years. Only 1 team wins it all. Doesn't mean everything else means nothing. He's on his best team now by far. Let's see how he does in the playoffs with a better team and coach. Karl sucked in the playoffs when it meant the most. Gobert can't guard 5 players at once or score without the ball. These are true


We traded a future 1st ballot HOFer in his prime with four years left on his contract. . . for draft picks.



We blew it.




time will tell. Chances are they don't get anyone better than him though


dantley maybe most talented jazz scorer ever

rickey green (aka fastest of them all)

stockton for his toughness (he likely would have crusted malone and eaton at same time wrasslin)

bailey just all around good guy, who mite be a prototype big now

hornacek the guy who almost made jerry sloan respect 3 pt shot
millsap the drive to make a very modest skillset work and strive to get better each year



no maybe on Dantley. He taught Karl a lot too. I like Thurl a lot less now that he's an announcer!


honorable mention to ron boone~~another good guy




and an awful commentator


If we had Gobert during Stockon and Malone instead of Ostertag, what would have happened? This is before the game changed to centers shooting 3s.




Would have rather had him than Eaton. They might have won it all in '88


interesting thought. many of stocktons passes were really quick and throw very hard. i remember getting irritated with eaton and tag for fumbling away so many. not sure gobert has better hands.




Stockton didn't throw lobs is where I wonder how things would have evolved


I'd put Rudy in my top 4 favorite Jazz players to watch. I'm really going to miss him. I really hope Minny wins it all (if the Jazz don't soon, which we most likely won't).




would be great. Comes down to ANT's development and how much longer Gobert can play at an elite level


If the Wolves make one NBA finals [the Wolves have never been] I won't care if we go 15 years without a playoff appearance! You can have all those picks. One finals run and we won the trade! I don't even need a title. I just want to soak up a finals run!!



They win if the Jazz don't end up with someone better than Gobert. Chances of that have to be incredibly low


Lowry was there and I know they had a few other longer-term players (Lowry actually played 6 years before joining TOR), but they still only won because of Kawhi (and all of GSW getting injured).



Kawai was the difference sure but they had a very good team around him


you are right, and that was actually the last time kawhi was reasonably healthy for any length of time. special player but injury bug has him. makes me sad because i think there was a 3-4 yrs span where, when healthy, kawhi was best 2 way player in league.

he was when last healthy. Giannis may have passed him. We'll see


Nice recap Calvin. Thinking he might get the longest, loudest ovation of an ex Jazzman on his first game back? I don't remember Karl's.




If they had a clue they'd unveil his statue or at least which side of the arena they will place it


pretty sure there was no animosity when he left and maybe even lhm's blessing



pretty much the same here as Rudy is now on a lot better team except he didn't want to go


I remember after one of the games, Kobe said, "We should be able to play with these guys. . . "

you could have if you'd passed the ball to your best player


Since Stockton retired anyway, most didn't blame Karl for leaving. It's similar to how Mitchell feels right now. What's the point without Gobert?

to prove the hype


The fact that Sloan dragged a team led by a 22-year old AK47 to a winning record (42-40) is remarkable. That should have been Sloan's 5th COTY award. Harpring was the 2nd best player, and he only played 31 games that season.

his best coaching job. Should have been fired after his first 1st to 3rd in the division with two of the greats

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/13/redoing-2010s-drafts-utah-jazz/


As we enter the mid-2020s, we can now look back on the 2010s as a decade and confidently say where the Utah Jazz (https://thejnotes.com/) went wrong and where they went right. Since 2010, the Utah Jazz have made some really good and really bad draft choices, so with hindsight being 20/20 it only makes sense to rewind a bit and consider what the franchise could and should have done with their draft picks.



since the 70's


This was a horrible draft for the Jazz. With the third overall pick, they selected Enes Freedom, who never panned out as an elite NBA center. Tristan Thompson and Jonas Valančiūnas went four and five, and while neither of them are amazing, they both would have been better bigs than Freedom, which was quite a reach.



Val was definitely the guy here and everyone knew it. O'Conner didn't want him because they would have had to wait a year to get him. :facepalm


At 12, the Jazz took Alec Burks. Burks had some solid seasons and lit it up before he played a real NBA game (https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/11/utah-jazz-5-best-summer-league-players-history/), but with Tobias Harris, Nikola Vecevic, and Kawhi Leonard all going soon after Burks, any one of them would have been a better selection. Two early picks, and two big whiffs for Utah. Imagine a lineup with Kawhi and Valančiūnas. How many banners would they win after getting Donovan Mitchell?



maybe no banners. Kawai is great but you need other guys playing both ends


With their second-round pick, the Jazz took Erick Green. Green did what you would expect from a mid-second-round guy, and that’s not saying much. At least he never played for Utah, as the Jazz traded him and cash the Denver for Rudy Gobert, which ended up being an excellent move.



I liked his brief stint with the Jazz. He certainly had potential. He was drafted for Denver though. Denver drafted for Utah


With the first-round picks, Utah took Shabazz Muhammad and Gorgei Dieng, both of whom are decent role-players. Neither one of them ever played for the Jazz, because Utah traded them to the Timberwolves for Trey Burke, the University of Michigan standout.



Minny drafted for Jazz as did Denver. Gobert and Burke were the Jazz picks not guys that were drafted for another team


Instead of Exum, Utah could have taken Marcus Smart, Julius Randle, or Zach LaVine. All of those would have been great picks. At 23, instead of Hood, they could have gotten Clint Capela. Funnily enough, the worst pick may have been Jarnell Stokes. In the second round, it becomes a crapshoot to see who ends up being productive players, but Spencer Dinwiddie, Jerami Grant, Nikola Jokic, Dwight Powell, and Jordan Clarkson were all picked after Stokes. I can’t blame Utah for missing, but they could have lucked into at least one great player in this draft class, right?



don't think anyone was talking about LaVine that high. Randle and Smart were though. Exum fell and the Jazz pounced unfortubately


Oliver Hanlan and Dani Diez never played an NBA game, but being picked 42 and 54 with not much talent left in the class means the Jazz did all they could. It’s not like the second round in 2015 was a failure, there just was not much talent there.



Hanlan looked good in the one summer league game before they traded him


With four draft picks, one has to hit, right? Well, kind of. The Jazz took Tauren Prince at 12, and Caris LeVert, Pascal Siakam, and Dejounte Murray were all selected much later in the round. Prince never actually played a game for the Jazz, as he was traded to the Hawks in a multi-team deal that landed George Hill. Hill only played 49 games in Utah but he put up 16 points, so the return wasn’t that bad.



probably could have gotten Prince instead of Beverley which to me makes more sense. Jazz drafted those guys for the Hawks. Jazz were all in to keep Hayward finally! :facepalm

Hill was arguably their most valuable player the first month of that season before he hurt his toe. He should have been brought back or at least replaced by someone that fit like Beverley!


In the second round, Utah took Isaiah Whitehead, Joel Bolomboy, and Tyrone Wallace. Only Bolomboy played for Utah at all, and I highly doubt anyone remembers him, so this second round went as expected.



liked Bolomboy. Wallace was a cheaper Exum who actually improved his body and finish after the Jazz just let him go for no good reason


Tyler Lydon was picked 24th and immediately traded to Denver. Josh Hart went 30th and Thomas Bryant went 42, but they were traded to the Lakers for Tony Bradley, who was not that good. Their 55th pick, Nigel Williams-Goss, played one forgettable season, which tends to be how 55th picks go. I would have loved to have kept Hard and Bryant instead of getting Tony Bradley, but this is the draft that brought Donovan Mitchell to town via Denver, so it all worked out in the end for the Jazz.



Bradley actually was good. Still in league. The Jazz just like to blame guys playing the smallest roles instead of coaches or hyped up stars. Goss was good. Maybe not athletic enough for the league. They drafted Hart and Bryant for the Lakers!


I do not like Grayson Allen, but he was a steal at 21. No one immediately behind him has been as good as he has been, and Devnotae Graham and Gary Trent Jr both went in the early second round, so I can’t reasonably see the Jazz passing on Allen to get either of them. This was a good pick, given who was still there.



biggest problem for Allen was he went to Duke. Graham is Donovan's bud


The Jazz used the 23rd overall pick to select Darius Bazley, who was then traded to Memphis with other assets for Mike Conley. Utah could have taken Nassir Little, Keldon Johnson, or Jordan Poole, but that late in the first round it was probably better to play it safe.



They could only take Bazely because that is who OKC wanted!


With the 53rd pick, Utah took Justin Wright-Foreman, who has only played one season in the NBA, and it was nothing special. Fortunately, no one noteworthy was selected after him.



but he was actually better than Hughes who the drafted to replace him and all gleaguer Brantley! :facepalm

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http://www.espn.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=242st3df

I guess the Knicks can trade them 10 firsts including several next draft or some shit somehow and they have the history to do something so stupid. Come on Dolan don't fail us now! Ideally I'd want Mitchell Robinson in the deal. He just signed(or maybe just agreed to a deal and they can still do a sign and trade somehow) so it's not in the trade tracker and it might have to wait until December 15th or whatever to make the deal? Gay doesn't work in this deal but maybe if Robinson is included he or another of their vets can be in it? Barrett and Reddish are up for extensions now so you'd have to weigh that. Keels not yet 19! McBride 21. Toppin and Robinson the oldest at 24. Add them to Kessler, Bolambo, Butler, Nickel and Udoka, all under 24, and the tank is official. Nice mix of prospects and proven young vets. Ainge will be having fun again! Trade the other vets for picks/assets/young guys

pg Quickley/Butler/Forrest/McBride(Stars)
sg Barrett/Grimes/Keels(two way)(Stars)
sf Reddish/Walker-Alexander/Bolambo(Stars)/Juang(2 way)(Stars)
pf Vanderbilt/Toppin/Paschall
c Robinson/Udoka/Kessler(Stars)

The Stars should be good again too!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/13/nick-wright-suggests-donovan-mitchell-cant-win-title/


While it is true that the Jazz have had little playoff success in Mithcell’s five seasons it Utah, it is absolutely asinine to suggest he can’t be the best player on a championship team. With the right pieces around him, Mitchell could absolutely lead a team to the NBA Finals.



hard to imagine that scenario. Had the best defensive player in the world covering for him and we saw the result. Who covers for him?


Recent history suggests that I’m right. Mitchell, Devin Booker, and Jayson Tatum all play similar positions, and both of them have gone all the way to the Finals in the very recent past. Yes, Mitchell is slightly less efficient of a scorer and plays worse defense, but he is the best volume scorer out of those three and is arguably the best playmaker and all-around offensive weapon. If Mitchell were surrounded by an ideal lineup of a pass-first point guard, a true three-and-d player, a rim-running power forward, and a pick-and-roll dominant center, then the Jazz could be in excellent shape.



those guys are bigger and better. He's not in their class


How might this lineup come together? They could trade for John Collins (https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/11/3-power-forwards-the-utah-jazz-could-target-in-a-trade/), an athletic, defensive-minded forward, and they could also make a move for Myles Turner, who is not quite on the same level as Rudy Gobert but poses a much better threat offensively. Conley or Patrick Beverly could be that guy, and Bojan Bogdanovic is still an elite shooter.



lottery. Might as well get young guys and picks


LeBron James, Kevin Durant, Steph Curry, Luka Doncic, and Nikola Jokic all need help, in the form of solid rosters around them. They are all undisputedly the best players on their team, but no one man can get a team a banner, so why is it expected that Mitchell has to be the guy? He can be the best player on a championship team for sure, but the roster needs to be complete and filled out, the same as it would be for any other superstar.



probably won't have a better roster than he did two years ago again. Knicks won't Jazz won't

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/12/utah-jazz-donovan-mitchell-next-go/


Wojnarowski suggests that the asking price is steep, perhaps too high, but the Jazz are no longer just hanging up the phone. Does this mean the end for the current Jazz roster? Or is this just more off-season smoke and mirrors? Utah definitely cannot compete with the current roster minus Mitchell, so the return on him would have to be future based, with unprotected picks, and a lot of them. Is there any team willing to mortgage their future? Mitchell is a top-20 player and is only 25. Dejounte Murray is not quite the player Mitchell is, and he’s the same age. The Spurs got four picks for Murray, so Utah should ask for more than that.

Murray is the better player. If someone offers more you have to pounce?

[Xiao Yao You]

https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/12/utah-jazz-reacting-wild-proposed-four-team-trade/


Utah receives: Buddy Hield (Indiana), Cam Thomas (Brooklyn), Joe Harris (Brooklyn), Ben Simmons (Brooklyn), 2023, 2025, 2027 unprotected first round picks (Phoenix), 2029 top-five protected first round pick (Phoenix), 2026, 2028 first round pick swap (Phoenix).



no thanks on Simmons. Damaged goods! next

[Xiao Yao You]

https://hoopshabit.com/2022/07/13/nba-trades-donovan-mitchell-utah-jazz/


This is the most obvious deal on the market. Mitchell has been connected to the Heat for a long time and they have been the team that has been reportedly looking to make a deal for him for a while.



Knicks deal the best


A core of Mitchell, Bam Adebayo, Jimmy Butler, and Kyle Lowry would be one of the most talented in the league, and after being the one-seed this past season, it would likely only improve their chances.



You think Butler will let Mitchell slide on D? :roll:

[Xiao Yao You]

https://fansided.com/2022/07/12/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-lakers-heat-offer/2/

Lakers have nothing. Wouldn't want Davis

[Xiao Yao You]

https://fansided.com/2022/07/12/nba-rumors-donovan-mitchell-trade-jazz/


“After previously shutting down inquiries on moving All-Star guard Donovan Mitchell, rival teams say the Utah Jazz are showing a willingness to listen on possible trade scenarios, sources tell ESPN,” Wojnarowski tweeted on Tuesday (https://twitter.com/wojespn/status/1546972364348329985?s=20&t=s6VEwTNBbk_sI9YuPRtyQw).



Sounds like it will probably happen. I'd say trade deadline though

[Xiao Yao You]

https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/07/12/nba-trade-rumors-jazz-mitchell-shop/


You can take the Gobert deal as an outline and then add to it. That’s what it will cost to land Mitchell.



you really couldn't turn that down. He's younger yes but he's never had the impact that Gobert has and at 25 he likely never will with the game he chooses to play

[Xiao Yao You]

https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267927/Some-Insiders-Believe-Donovan-Mitchell-To-Knicks-An-Inevitability


"The New York Knicks have eight tradable first round picks and a need and a desire for a star player like Donovan Mitchell, who is from the New York area," said Brian Windhorst. "Some people believe this is an inevitability. It's just a matter of what price can be negotiated. Other teams are interested in Mitchell and it can go in a different direction. They can keep Mitchell, or at least posture they're going to keep Mitchell. But I think we're going to hear a lot about Mitchell and the New York Knicks in the coming days."



make sure you get the pick swaps Danny. Knicks will still be a shit show!

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267925/Jazz-Have-Explored-Sign-And-Trade-With-Cavaliers-For-Collin-Sexton


The Utah Jazz have explored sign-and-trade scenarios with the Cleveland Cavaliers that would send Mike Conley for Collin Sexton.



Garland, Rubio, Conley and Neto? Last year it was bigs!


Sexton averaged 24.3 points, 3.1 rebounds and 4.4 assists in 35.3 minutes over 60 games during the 20-21 season. Sexton suffered a torn ACL 11 games into his 21-22 season.



This would be a sure indicator Mitchell is gone. I compared him to Mitchell already because of those numbers though. The difference I see is Gobert

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Eddie Johnson: I have a feeling that a Mega Blockbuster trade @NBA is going to happen and it could involve 3 to 5 teams, now that D Mitchell is on the block as expected! (http://twitter.com/Jumpshot8/status/1547297249205501952)

– via Twitter Jumpshot8 (https://twitter.com/Jumpshot8)

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Clutch Points: “I’m willing to bet everything I own and have in the bank account that he will be gone from the Utah Jazz.” (https://*********.com/social/) Kendrick Perkins doesn’t see Donovan Mitchell staying on the Jazz team this year pic.twitter.com/spBVoVvAH0


“I’m willing to bet everything I own and have in the bank account that he will be gone from the Utah Jazz.”
Kendrick Perkins doesn’t see Donovan Mitchell staying on the Jazz team this year pic.twitter.com/spBVoVvAH0 (https://t.co/spBVoVvAH0)

— ClutchPoints (@ClutchPointsApp) July 13, 2022 (https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp/status/1547303858832953349?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


– via Twitter ClutchPointsApp (https://twitter.com/ClutchPointsApp)

[Xiao Yao You]

Earlier in the free agency period, several teams monitoring the Donovan Mitchell situation saw the Heat as the favorite to land him via trade. But Brooklyn has interest in landing Mitchell as well (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett).

– via SportsNet New York (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett)




Mitchell and Simmons aren't going anywhere

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Marc Stein: 11-year NBA veteran Kosta Koufos is finalizing a deal with the @LondonLions, league sources say, bringing an established name to British basketball. The Lions are a EuroCup team and employ Grizzlies alum Brett Burman as their GM (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter TheSteinLine (https://twitter.com/TheSteinLine)

[Xiao Yao You]

The New York Knicks have eight tradable first-round picks and a need and a desire for a star player like Donovan Mitchell, who is from the New York area. Some people believe this is an inevitability. It’s just a matter of what price can be negotiated. Other teams are interested in Mitchell and it can go in a different direction. They can keep Mitchell, or at least posture they’re going to keep Mitchell. But I think we’re going to hear a lot about Mitchell and the New York Knicks in the coming days. (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8XQGtDCugw&ab_channel=NBAonESPN) … People feel that everything the Jazz are doing right now is just an effort to elicit the best offer they can get from the Knicks.

– via YouTube (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D8XQGtDCugw&ab_channel=NBAonESPN)




Also on the Mitchell front, teams monitoring the situation believe the Jazz currently are prioritizing draft picks in a return for Mitchell. That’s where the Knicks come in. New York can trade up to eight of its future first-round picks in a Mitchell trade. That gives New York an edge over other Mitchell suitors – like the Miami Heat – if Utah continues to prioritize draft picks (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett).
– via SportsNet New York (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett)




I'd guess they are prioritizing getting the most they can be it picks or whatever. I'd guess they may have given up a pick fromm the Twolves to get McDaniels. What players does Danny like? Does he want to pay Barrett and Reddish? If Barrett is in the deal less picks

[Xiao Yao You]

However, people in touch with the Knicks prior to the draft said the club was wary of trading the combination of picks and players that it would take to land a player like Mitchell. The thinking, according to people in touch with the club at the time, was that there wouldn’t be enough left on the roster to field a contending team. I don’t know definitively if the club’s thinking as changed since we noted this earlier in July. But I don’t believe that it has. For example: People in touch with the club recently said New York has had no interest in trading RJ Barrett in any deal (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett).
– via SportsNet New York (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett)
Barrett is eligible for an extension. The deadline to agree to the extension is the day before the regular season. Both the Knicks and Barrett are optimistic about finding common ground on an extension (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett).
– via SportsNet New York (https://sny.tv/articles/notes-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trade-rj-barrett)

[Xiao Yao You]

New York would seem to be the clear front-runner to land Mitchell. (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041885-inside-the-trade-market-for-utah-jazz-star-donovan-mitchell) The Knicks’ interest in the New York native has been obvious for awhile, best illustrated this past spring when members of the front office attended Utah’s opening game of the playoffs in Dallas. And after a series of trades beginning on draft night, the Knicks are now armed with 11 first-round picks in the next seven drafts plus intriguing young talent that could suit Utah’s rebuild. “New York can offer some combination of multiple picks, R.J. Barrett, Obi Toppin and Immanuel Quickley, and that’s probably the benchmark any team is going to have to beat in order to get Donovan Mitchell from the Jazz,” one assistant general manager told B/R.

– via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041885-inside-the-trade-market-for-utah-jazz-star-donovan-mitchell)





Utah’s appetite for Barrett as the key ingredient in a Mitchell trade is unclear. But an unofficial B/R poll of over two dozen NBA executives at Summer League this week indicated Barrett boasts a greater trade value across the league than Miami’s best blue-chip prospect, Tyler Herro, by a wide margin, particularly because of Barrett’s improving strengths on the defensive end. Both Barrett and Herro are eligible for extensions this summer. The Knicks are not expected to come to any conclusion in conversations on Barrett’s extension this far in advance of the October deadline, sources said (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041885-inside-the-trade-market-for-utah-jazz-star-donovan-mitchell).
– via Jake Fischer @ Bleacher Report (https://bleacherreport.com/articles/10041885-inside-the-trade-market-for-utah-jazz-star-donovan-mitchell)

[Xiao Yao You]

The Celtics are not expected to have interest in dealing for Mitchell per league sources given the high price tag and their recent offseason moves. (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html) However, a number of Eastern Conference rivals are expected to make plays for Mitchell. Let’s take a closer look at some of the possibilities in play on that front and what they could mean for the Celtics.
– via Brian Robb @ Booth Newspapers (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html)




The Celtics ideal scenario would be a lesser East squad such as the Knicks to put themselves in play for the high scoring guard, keeping Miami from firmly re-establishing themselves as a top contender in the East with another star acquisition. Other wildcard candidates out West would need to be considered as well (Dallas?) but a lot of teams around the league have already used assets on big names this summer in separate deals (Atlanta, Minnesota, etc.) (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html)
– via Brian Robb @ Booth Newspapers (https://www.masslive.com/celtics/2022/07/how-donovan-mitchell-trade-possibilities-impact-celtics-offseason-outlook.html)

[Xiao Yao You]

Sean Deveney: One of the issues teams have with trading for Jazz role players they got from Minnesota from what I’m told is that they’ve not been told whether there can be buyouts etc (https://*********.com/social/). Said one exec: “I think everyone wants to see if there is a buyout 1st. The Jazz haven’t picked a lane yet.”

– via Twitter SeanDeveney (https://twitter.com/SeanDeveney)



I certainly wouldn't be buying anyone out. They should have value

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The Heat remain in pursuit of Durant, but Mitchell is considered a fallback option if the Heat are unable to land him (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/7/13/23206909/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-nets).
– via Kevin O'Connor @ The Ringer (https://www.theringer.com/nba/2022/7/13/23206909/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-nets)

[Xiao Yao You]

Christopher Hine: Full story coming tomorrow, but here’s Timberwolves owner Alex Rodriguez on the Rudy Gobert trade: “I think we’re in a good position and just being opportunistic. We do have a window for four or five years, and we’re taking a swing at it.” (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter ChristopherHine (https://twitter.com/ChristopherHine)

[Xiao Yao You]

The Jazz and Knicks have begun discussions on a potential trade sending three-time NBA All-Star Donovan Mitchell to New York, (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/) sources tell The Athletic.

– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)





The Jazz are having conversations with multiple teams on a Mitchell deal, but the Knicks have emerged as the focused destination over the past several days, (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/) sources said. Both sides have discussed a deal framework in the past 24 hours, those sources said.
– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)






The Knicks possess eight future first-round picks — four of their own and four acquired via trades from other teams — to use in a package. New York has also stockpiled young players, such as Quentin Grimes who is believed to be of interest to Utah, sources said (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/).

– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)



So they like Grimes. He's certainly expendable for the Knicks with Brunson and Mitchell.






The Jazz, who saw their current NBA title window close this past season with a loss in six games to the Dallas Mavericks in the first round of the playoffs, are focused on obtaining draft picks and younger players who are on rookie-scale deals, (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/) according to sources.

– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)






Sources say, the Jazz have made all of their veteran players available in trade talks, and there are no untouchable players currently on the roster. Guards Patrick Beverley, Malik Beasley and Jordan Clarkson have been pursued by teams across the league in recent weeks (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/).
– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)



no brainer after dealing Gobert. It was just a matter of now or the trade deadline I think.






Miami has also expressed interest in Mitchell but has only two first-rounders able to be traded and a potential centerpiece in Tyler Herro who is extension-eligible. (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/) Because of this, the Heat would likely have to engage a third team in a trade in order to supply the Jazz with a draft compensation needed for them to feel motivated enough to trade Mitchell.

– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)






Mainly because of draft night movements, the Knicks don’t have that issue. They have the draft capital and the young players needed to engage the Jazz in trade conversation. (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/) New York is motivated to give the Jazz a significant package. But sources say, the Knicks are wary of giving away the proverbial store to the Jazz. They would like to come away from a potential deal with the front-end talent, and the depth needed to be a factor within the Eastern Conference.
– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)



if Thibs can't get Mitchell to play D or share the ball the Knicks aren't going anywhere. The East isn't the laughingstock anymore






Utah had long expressed a desire to keep Mitchell and try to build around him. Utah’s bar for trading Mitchell is high, and, according to league sources, (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/) indeed the asking price in initial discussions has been substantial.

– via Shams Charania, Tony Jones, Shams Charania and Tony Jones @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3422434/2022/07/13/donovan-mitchell-knicks-jazz/)

[El Kabong]

Supposedly the first offer Knicks made was Randle + 5 1st rounders and Ainge told 'em there's no deal to be made with Randle in it.

[Xiao Yao You]

Supposedly the first offer Knicks made was Randle + 5 1st rounders and Ainge told 'em there's no deal to be made with Randle in it.

I can't see taking any of their vets. None are expiring. Only Reddish and Barrett and they would be up for extension now. Get another team involve if they have to take a seasoned vet. Needs to be expiring or a lot younger. I'd only want their young guys and assets

[Xiao Yao You]

There are few NBA players as spectacular offensively as the 25-foot sparkplug, who was reported by ESPN as available in the trade market, even if he’s not being aggressively shopped. According to multiple gambling websites, the Knicks are the overwhelming betting favorites to land Mitchell. That usually doesn’t translate to inside knowledge but often indicates public sentiment (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-donovan-mitchell-jazz-trade-talk-20220713-hkqzdovsebdhdbngy76tzfeeoi-story.html).
– via Stefan Bondy @ New York Daily News (https://www.nydailynews.com/sports/basketball/knicks/ny-donovan-mitchell-jazz-trade-talk-20220713-hkqzdovsebdhdbngy76tzfeeoi-story.html)





Evan Sidery: . @wojespn on the Jazz now listening to trade offers for Donovan Mitchell: “This is a player coveted by numerous teams. And certainly when you see a trade market that includes Kevin Durant, players of that caliber, all of a sudden it can possibly open up multi-team scenarios.” (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter esidery (https://twitter.com/esidery)






League sources have indicated that the Jazz have shut down some previous inquiries about Mitchell from other teams, but that was mostly based on timing and belief that offers would not have measured up to what the Jazz feel Mitchell is worth (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23212607/commentary-its-no-surprise-the-utah-jazz-are-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-for-donovan-mitchell).
– via Sarah Todd @ deseret.com (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23212607/commentary-its-no-surprise-the-utah-jazz-are-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-for-donovan-mitchell)

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.ksl.com/article/50439616/summer-league-jazz-are-undefeated-no-more-in-las-vegas

Miller was good! Probably too small. Bruno with good numbers but 4 turnovers again

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https://kslsports.com/489548/jazz-drop-first-summer-league-game-bolmaro-struggles/


Poor shooting in the Summer League isn’t always a red flag but Bolmaro has never shown he’s a pro-level shooter.



he did actually in lower Spain league


Bolmaro can contribute to the Jazz as a defender and secondary ball handler on the perimeter but will be a liability until his shooting improves dramatically.


At just 21 years old, Bolmaro has plenty of time to develop for the Jazz, but he will struggle to see minutes at the NBA level until his shot falls at a much better rate.



the Jazz will be tanking. He will play a lot rather it's with the Stars or Jazz

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https://kslsports.com/489537/mitchell-knicks-swap-makes-sense-but-not-without-barrett/


Now, with Mitchell on the market, the Knicks can more aggressively commence their pursuit of the three-time All-Star, but it must start with a package centered around RJ Barrett.



I don't think it's a must. He's certainly the best guy that they should want but I can certainly still see the deal happening without him. Danny will just demand more picks and pick swaps! You have to consider the big contract he's due now


While Mitchell’s stock may have taken a slight hit after the Jazz’s first-round exit to the Dallas Mavericks, there are very few flaws in the All-Star guard’s resume.



should have taken a huge hit after his post all star play. Lucky for us James Dolan and the Knicks exist!


Over his five-year career in the NBA, Mitchell has never failed to lead the Jazz to the Western Conference Playoffs. During that stretch, the guard has never averaged fewer than 20.5 points per game, a half point better than Barrett’s career best.



lead! If Danny thought he could lead them Danny might keep him :facepalm


And, his playoff performances have been even more spectacular.



except for the fact he only played one end and didn't pass to anyone in helping them lose


While Mitchell averages an impressive 23.9 points per game for his career, that number skyrockets to 28.3 points per game in the postseason, the seventh-highest mark in NBA history.



the bubble doesn't count


While the Jazz traded Rudy Gobert to the Minnesota Timberwolves for four future first-round draft picks, a draft swap, and five serviceable NBA players, they didn’t get a young player in return that can be looked at as a potential building block of the future.



Kessler possibly. He's a lot better prospect than Gobert at this stage and arguably Mitchell as well. Obviously the league has changed a lot and someone like Kessler isn't as valued but he does have some potential to stretch the floor and be a defensive stopper


Though the Knicks have up to eight draft picks they could send the Jazz, and a collection of other young players including Obi Toppin, Immanuel Quickley, Quintin Grimes, and Miles McBride, none of them have shown a similar career trajectory to Barrett, even if he is no Donovan Mitchell.



Reddish. Some might think he's better than Barrett. He hasn't had as much of a chance to be the guy in Atlanta as Barrett has in NY


If the Knicks truly covet Mitchell the way their previous moves have indicated, they should look to land the All-Star this summer. But, if the Jazz are willing to listen to the Knicks’ calls, no trade should be considered without RJ Barrett.



I don't agree. 8 picks! Several next season in the biggest draft possibly ever. Other young talent to tank with. This trade will likely get the Jazz a better player than Mitchell through the picks or the tank. Might never see anyone again with Gobert's impact in Utah.

[Xiao Yao You]

https://kslsports.com/489521/whats-relationship-like-between-donovan-mitchell-will-hardy/

who cares? Moot point it looks like. How's Thibs and Mitchell going to get along when he's asked to defend!

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23213464/reports-utah-jazz-new-york-knicks-begin-donovan-mitchell-trade-talks-shams-charania-the-athletic


Besides the draft picks, Charania mentioned New York has “stockpiled young players, such as Quentin Grimes (https://theathletic.com/player/nba/knicks/quentin-grimes/) who is believed to be of interest to Utah, sources said.”



Anyone but Barrett probably? Jazz would have to get Reddish if not Barrett


Charania also wrote that the Miami Heat have interest in Mitchell but, with only two first-round draft picks eligible to be traded, would likely have to “engage a third team in a trade to supply the Jazz with the draft compensation needed for them to feel motivated enough to trade Mitchell.”



Knicks might too if Barrett isn't in it. Jazz don't want Randle, Fournier or Rose. Not expiring

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23212607/commentary-its-no-surprise-the-utah-jazz-are-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-for-donovan-mitchell


Trying to “build a championship team” could mean that the Jazz aren’t shopping Mitchell and are instead looking for ways to be a legitimate contender following the Rudy Gobert trade to the Minnesota Timberwolves. But, it could also mean that in order to compete for a championship, the Jazz need to acquire assets because they know the window on a championship with this roster has closed.



I think they probably looked at that route and couldn't see how you build a championship team around Mitchell. Ayton/Mitchell? Turner/Mitchell? Mitchell/Collins?


You’d be hard pressed to find a large number of NBA executives or staffers who think the Gobert trade was the Jazz’s way of moving closer to a title. It’s much easier to find those who believe the Gobert trade was the first domino to fall in what will be a Jazz rebuild, and among NBA circles there are very few, if any, who are surprised the Jazz are willing to listen to Mitchell offers.

it appears that way. I thought they might give him to the trade deadline but it looks to be happening sooner than later

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23211145/utah-jazz-rebuild-mode-donovan-mitchell-trade-report-knicks-heat-nets-ryan-smith-danny-ainge


Would a Donovan Mitchell trade signal a full rebuild?

of course not. They will be building around another Mitchell in Sexton! :roll:


“The season wasn’t very much fun this year,” Ainge said. “The draft wasn’t very much fun. Free agency wasn’t very much fun. We were over the tax, had no draft picks and our team lost in the first round. It wasn’t fun for us.



having fun yet Danny? :lol


National experts agree that nothing appears imminent on a possible Mitchell trade.



it sounds imminent to me. Just a matter of working out the details at this point

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IMO: no, we were not going to be contenders in the near term built around Rudy and Don. I think we could've been playoff teams. But, unless something crazy happened -- a 2nd round pick turns into an all-NBA player -- given our cap situation I think we were stuck there.

I think they could have beat the Bucks 2 seasons ago if they could have gotten there and a different coach and some tweeks might have been enough. We matched up well with the Bucks and it comes down to match ups


But I think there is a way to use assets, retool, and be a playoff team again relatively quickly by keeping Don. And I don't think we'll be any closer to contenders trading away Don vs keeping Don. Instead, we'll just be further from a playoff team.

Not with Mitchell as your best player. That's the problem. He's got a max deal and doesn't have a max impact


This is a similar argument I was having with Kira a while back: I have always defended the Conley trade not because he was a good fit with Don (I don't think he was) but because he was the only realistic all-star-caliber player available. Like...the Conley trade was the trade you were talking about! He just....wasn't at the position of most need and having 2 small, poor-defending guards revealed new problems.

yeah he wasn't ideal but he wasn't Rubio and he did fit. If Mitchell played as big and long as he physically is it could have worked. A different coach it could have worked


Your argument assumed that the Conley trade or a trade for a player better than Conley had to happen that summer.

it should have happened the season before but the Wizard still had his hardon for Exum so it didn't. They would have kept some of the assets they had to give up in the summer and would have been better off


It could have happened before the trade deadline the next summer. Or even the next summer. Or the summer prior. Or the deadline prior.

yeah why not it's just Rudy's prime wasting away


Crap, just keeping Crowder would have been better than Conley.



they missed his toughness but not his 8 3 attempts a game or COTM love for him


I woukd like Hartenstein included in a package but as a recently signed FA I think have to wait until December 15th before he can be traded.




another guy I wanted in the draft. Not sure the Jazz want him now with Udoka and Kessler unless Kessler is headed for the Stars


Wouldn't it be great if after all of the dust settles, we trade DM, Conley, and Bogey. Clarkson would be the only main guy from last year's team left, he ends up starting, and puts up about the same averages that Donovan had last year for us? Something like 24 ppg with 4 assists/rebounds?

I'd hate to even think of the shooting %'s for Clarkson to average that many points.


To be honest there are a ton of SGs in the league who could put up similar numbers if given 20 shots a game, 10 from 3. So much of the league is just opportunity.

Yep. Guys like Sexton and McCollum have put up similar numbers without the hype or accolades. McCollum even led a young Pels team last year. Something Mitchell has not done


Donny's 3 point shooting took a step back last year. I was surprised it ended at 35.5% cause seemed to be low 30's most of the year. I think the Lilliard like 3s did not help him.

only one it helps is Curry and the other team. 18%!


I wouldn't mind him having another shot to lead the team with a new coach and players but I also understand Ainge thinking he might not be the guy. His brilliance in the Denver series seems a long way away.



the brilliance of giving up as much at one end or more than at the other end?


This is bad to say but even Jimmer could have averaged 20 per game if he had been given the ultimate green light to shoot like Mitchell had.



seriously might have been a star if he'd traded places with Mitchell at that time. Better shooter


(also clarkson would never take 50 shots in a game but jimmer would)




Clarkson is the biggest gunner I've ever seen by far


Wemby brings it all, so I’m glad we shipped out Rudy and all his limitations for a shot at that.




can't wait for all these perfect players that will somehow be better than the 3rd best player in franchise history!


Some truth, I joke about Clarkson, but not many players could be like Mitchell and be the focus on offense of a legitimate good team. Like teams don't take Houston seriously, so they loaf on defense and Jalen Green can score 20 points. When teams play Golden State or Memphis, they know they have to guard Steph and Ja so they build whole defensive plans on how to stop them. When teams played against us, they knew if they stopped Donovan, our offense was more less neutralized. The one thing about Donovan that shows he is very special is how he has performed in the playoffs. This season he was a dud, but every other playoffs he has been outstanding. I can see why Miami would love to have him -- he would be perfect for their team.

they were a legitimately good team with Exum/Burke. Mitchell is replacable in today's game. Game plans usually tried to stop their most efficient shot the dunk by Gobert. Mitchell and Clarkson helped out their game plan by launching shot after shot. Mitchell has scored in the playoffs. Defending and passing are important too though so he failed badly. Can't imagine him fitting in with Riley, Butler, Lowry...


Honestly don’t remember, but I’m pretty sure he was still recovering when the playoffs started, maybe got banged up in the grizz series and then really got banged up halfway through the clips series




all while getting the doctor fired that said you weren't ready. He was right. Jazz lost


Randle is a head-case now and Rose makes no sense on the Jazz. Plus they are Thibs guys. Thibs doesn't like Reddish.

so they might want to push Reddish unless Thibs is already gone for Johnnie Bryant and Brunson's pop


Reddish, Tobbin, IQ and picks for DM would be fine. And, it gets rid of guys Thibs doesn't trust anyways. Those young guys could be great with a younger coach like Hardy. But, I guess for money-matching Rose or Randle need to be in the deal. Danny can flip whoever it is.

can't trust those guys? He'll love Mitchelll!

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Sounded like Shai was available. Maybe get him for Mitchell?


Why don't the Knicks keep their wonderful 1st round picks then? Unless the Jazz is getting the top pick in an excellent draft the Jazz is only receiving an illusion of something valuable.

kind of like the illusion of Mitchell as a star leading the Jazz without Gobert!


Unless Barrett and Robinson are included in any trade by the Knicks for Mitchell, I don't care how many sh*tty first round draft picks are included in the trade by the Knicks, that would be a fleecing of the Jazz by the Knicks, and Danny Ainge would be a dumbass. Even if Barrett and Robinson were both included in that trade, it still might turn out to be a trade wildly in favor of the Knicks, because neither Barrett nor Robinson has come close to being an all star and maybe never will. A trade with the players suggested by Knicks fans would be ludicrous.

Mitchell is Colin Sexton(a non all star) without Gobert. Robinson has Gobert like potential. Barrett arguably is better than Mitchell now because he does compete at both ends


... Hello? Sacramento Kings? Can we interest you in a gently used Bojan or a well -loved Conley?



I wouldn't be surprised if the do business with them. Kings want to make the playoffs. Jazz want to lose


Historically. in NBA trades, quality has always been more important than quantity, and the team trading for an NBA star--in his prime--always by far gets the best part of the deal, unless the star gets injured for a long period of time, following the trade. I've been watching the NBA for 50 years, and that's how NBA trades have always worked. There's no reason to believe the trades involving Gobert and Mitchell will be different.

you are right. You're just overrating Mitchell


You've been watching the NBA for 50 years. Do you legitimately believe that the Jazz could trade for a player that would have put the team in a position to significantly improve with Gobert or even now to pair with Mitchell? If so, do you have any trade target in mind - nevermind making a trade work, that's the FO's job, just a legitimate target that could be/have been available for the a price the Jazz could have paid without emptying the proverbial cupboard.

I think a new coach and a few tweeks around the edges could have made all the difference. See what GS did with Mark Jackson vs Kerr


Quality is for sure more important than quantity; but the draft is a crapshoot and having more opportunities to draft a star seems like the only realistic way for Utah to get the kind of talent they need. The prior FO traded away too many assets and gave out contracts that were overly generous thus putting the Jazz in a bad position where they were a few steps away from contention but with no way to take those steps.

Mitchell's contrac is over generous. Lucky it's not max like it could have been!!!


I think it could be argued that just a new coach may have been enough as Q certainly had his flaws, but the actions of the FO suggest that the problems were fundamentally worse than we know.

that's the thing we don't really know what was really going on that caused Mitchell and Royce to disappear after the all star break


Which is why we should have kept them together.

or trade Mitchell and Clarkson for vets that fit better around your best player


If you're building a team from scratch, Donovan Mitchell, Rudy Gobert, and Quin Snyder would be a fantastic start. Just need some decent perimeter defenders who are average 3P shooters, and you've got a contender.

Mitchell wasn't the best fit with Gobert for whatever reasons


We were offered an overpay for Gobert, so they took it. Then they tried to trade Bojan, Conley, Beverley, etc. for pieces to fit next to Mitchell and no one wants to trade value for them, so now they are exploring trading Mitchell. Seems logical to me and no reason to rant. The Gobert-Mitchell Utah Jazz peaked last season when they went up 2 - 0 on the Clippers. The team has been on a decline ever since. This upcoming season they would have been worse than last season. Changes had to be made or else we would have kept being a 6 or 7 seed ever year Gobert was on the team and not had any resources to take another leap. ESPECIALLY not for the next two seasons.

unless the Jazz get a player that makes as big of an impact as Gobert which is highly unlikely they lose the trade so it's a bit early to say overpay! I'd guess they just don't see a Ayton or Collins or Turner and Mitchell even making the play in! We have no idea what a new coach and some tweeks would have done this year. They were a top 5 D last year when Gobert played and the best offense in the league. COTM made no adjutments in the playoffs when the offense was shut down. What we can say is they blew the Gobert era as badly as they could ahve from letting Millsap and Demarre go to keeping COTM and Clarkson etc....


Gobert just turned 30 last month and has four years left on his contract. Mitchell is 25 and has four years left on his contract. Both are arguably coming off the best seasons of their respective careers.



as long as we forget Mitchell after the break! Gobert has never been better


I don’t think the Kawhi trade really counts because Toronto gave up exactly one first round pick for Kawhi. But even if you want to count it, it’s the exception - not the rule. Lakers got a championship out of AD, so that worked out one year, but have been bad outside of that so that’s worked out pretty well in NO’s favor.



the bubble doesn't count


Lakers won a ring with AD, and they don't win without him! Even given his injuries recently, he's still only 29. Wouldn't be crazy to see him play 60 games this year and return to his all-NBA form. But even if AD never returns to his former glory... Banners fly forever.

60 games!


The DWill trade is interesting. Who won that trade?

the Jazz lost choosing their coach over their best player once again.


2) In an era of player empowerment, do you really think an all-NBA, star player is going to accept a trade to Utah? ...really?

depends on the player. Everyone should have wanted to play with Gobert.


I'm not saying Ainge and Smith are better, that's yet to be seen, but Ainge has a record that suggests he actually has a very good grasp on the above mentioned concepts. Smith---the Jury's out on that one, the Jersey's are certainly awful, but if his involvement in the team paying them and deciding what they wear and then letting actual basketball minds do what they do, then I'm fine with ugly uniforms. **** it let's go purple, pink and lime green next season. Hell, let's sell the Jazz name back to New Orleans and rebrand as the Stars or the Brine Shrimp or the Seagulls or the Salt Flats or the Stank by the dried up Lake.

Ainge is the best the franchise has ever had by far. Boston was in the finals this season. That's Danny's handiwork. Doesn't mean he won the Gobert trade. He will win the Mitchell trade big time is my prediction. James ****in' Dolan!!!


Who would come to Utah that was realistically available this off season and how would you have gotten them before the Gobert trade?

New coach. Trade Conley and Clarkson. Royce to the wing. Get a starting 4. Mitchell to the 1. Bojan to the bench. I can certainly see that being a better team. Got to wonder if hiring Hardy made them tank? Or he was hired because they already decided to tank?

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While I still wish we would keep him, this is certainly an entertaining off season. Makes you wonder how much the hard line on Mitchell was used to drive up Demand for Gobert. How much posturing about wanting two all stars on the team at the all star game was posturing? We may never know.



I'd guess Danny wanted to blow it up as long as he thought he was at least getting fair value which is hard to say when giving up a Gobert! Even as far as COTM goes he might have wanted him out and instead of just firing his ass they told him they might not be running it back and he might be part of a rebuild? At least I hope so. Because keeping him as coach and thinking you can build around Mitchell makes me think the front office is pretty clueless and we know Danny isn't anyway


I guarantee their picks are better than we will get with the T'Wolves. Knicks won't have near the talent level as them.




We'll see. Knicks have other teams picks as well. Twolves should be better for sure as long as Gobert and Ant are healthy


Heck, MN has 3 players -- Rudy, KAT, Ant -- better than anyone on that NYK roster.



could argue at least 4


The T wolves look awesome right now but my thoughts by the time the 2027 and 2029 firsts come around that they will be very cap strapped to keep that band together. But my timelines could be off there as well.




the decline of Rudy is what Ainge is hoping for. Ant will be on his way to one of the best in the game as Rudy declines though


If Donovan is traded, I think we should keep Conley as a high character leader and mentor. His trade value is low with his price, so the Jazz could be wise to hold onto him, trade other vets for picks, and trade Conley at next year’s deadline



he has to go. Only old vets I could see on a tanking team is at the end of the bench. You want young guys getting the PT


Conley is one of the most highly respected veterans in this league, and keeping him as a mentor for young guys will be positive. His contract is affordable, and can trade next year when his salary gets down to 14 million or something.



but he's taking minutes from Butler and Quickley. Someone like Forrest makes more sense to me


Conley for George Hill, Grayson Allen, Connaughton, and Mattews. Even that would be hard because while the salaries match, that leaves the Bucks with 3 slots open they can't fill with anything but vet minimums. And I don't think the Jazz have room for 3 extra players (maybe 1 or 2).

Jazz have room for 20 players in the off season. That shouldn't be a worry. Almost everyone on the roster now will be gone if Mitchell is


But if we're moving Don and doing full on tank...I don't worry about building assets (I trust Ainge to do that) but I think team culture would be hard to build. And of our current vets, Mike (and JC) can help build team culture the best.



I wouldn't let Clarkson near any of the young guys. Hey this is the way to play guys!


Miami's assets are bad. Herro Robinson plus picks and their picks will be not valuable.

Herro potentially better than Mitchell


Knicks arguably got the best asset to offer. They have four first round picks next year and next year's draft is said to be great. They also got some young talents - Barrett, Toppin, Grimes, McBride, Reddish - I don't see them being a core in a contender but still. Personally I don't want Barrett at all. He just have no efficiency with not that high volume. I would take Toppin, Grimes, Reddish and a filler plus bunch of first round picks.

just turned 22. 20 pts(41/34/71)Did shoot better on less shots the year before. 6 rbds/3 ass/2 to's/1 stl and plays at least some D. If you think he can be worth a max I see going for him because with those numbers he will get max if not this off season than next


When the Jazz traded Royce I expected them to trade Gobert and when they indeed traded Gobert I thought they would trade Mitchell too. A team that wants to make a run in the playoff and whose weakness was perimeter defense doesn't trade their one of the best perimeter defender (Royce) for a pick. And as Gobert is gone, this team cannot go further than play-in. We saw where this team goes in January when there is no Gobert. I gotta suspect that when we hired Danny Ainge, he was already thinking about tearing this team down. And actually we cannot blame that. We know this team's weakness and its ceiling well than anyone else.

Royce, House, Forrest, Hermangomez, Rudy...everyone that played D gone. They weren't getting in the play in without Rudy. We can blame him though. Hard to trade a ****in' statue!


Unless we trade Mitchell for Simmons. \

Ainge is smarter than that


From a Jazz POV: Don for Herro, Robinson and an ungodly amount of Knicks picks...? That could work...

don't want Robinson


Why would the Jazz want the crap assets the Kinicks have to offer, unless Jazz management thinks Donovan just isn't really very good. I'm bitter about this unnecessary Jazz fire-sale, and I hope that Rudy and Donovan both go on to have very long, successful careers after being traded, so that Danny Ainge and Ryan Smith look like dumbasses for trading them away prematurely. That's just how I feel about two of my favorite Jazz players ever.




Ainge doesn't think he can build a championship team around Mitchell is the rumor and I would agree. Mitchell/Ayton, Mitchell/Turner or Collins? lottery! The Gobert trade may never look good. They will get at least 1 player better than Mitchell if not more when all is said and done though


Sorry, I guess what I really meant is the best assets of anyone in the league that would want mitchell. Guys like spurs and Thunder aren’t going to want Donovan cause they’re rebuilding. Kings are interesting though, who knows what the hell they think they’re doing



He actually could make some sense for OKC depending on what they think their timeline is. Shai and Mitchell make a lot of sense as a backcourt. Giddey and Holgren. Starting to look like sonmething. Jazz can bring Favors home!

Kings certainly could put something pretty good together I'm sure too

[QUOTE]Why wouldn't they though? If I was OKC, I would consider trading for him. Looks like other teams are going to be tanking hard and they are getting better. I don't think they would get the #1 pick. They could pair Mitchell and SGA together and hope that Chet Holmgren is as good as they think. Shai is 24 and Mitchell is 25.

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/13/23213502/the-utah-jazz-and-new-york-knicks-have-begun-trade-negotiations-for-donovan-mitchell-rumors-2022


At this point, the question is what are the pieces involved in a potential move? Jones mentions that the Knicks are not wanting to get rid of their front-line talent. That likely is in reference to RJ Barrett. The Knicks surely would like to keep their young, talented wing on the roster to grow alongside Mitchell and Brunson. They are all on the same timeline and would make the Knicks a perennial playoff team. It feels like the Jazz and Knicks are just finalizing on players, but at the very least, according to Tony Jones, the Jazz have interest in Immanuel Quickley, and would probably give him lots of run next year if they are successful with this trade.



Quickley and Grimes...


If Barrett then leaves for almost nothing, NY is left with a roster of Brunson, Mitchell, Randle and Robinson with no depth, few picks, and that is possibly a lottery team this coming year with no defense and awkward fit between your 3 guards. Not to mention possible locker room issues with Brunson not getting the role he wants and taking a step back.



that's why they want to keep Barrett


Jazz need to take younger players like Topin, Grimes, and their FRP this past draft (to handicap them for their future and find a gem if possible) and give NY another player. Then take Fournier for salary matching and using his contract to flip him as well for another draft pick.

don't want Fournier, Randle or Rose if possible


Agree. No Barrett and no Reddish. Any of the other young guys that aren’t up for a raise next year would be great




again it depends. Barrett you probably have to pay max. You want to start building around him as a max player? Reddish you could probably get on a decent deal now


So... Who are we building around in the (very likely) event we don't pick Wembanyama?

Barrett, Sexton or no one


I’m not sure what you want, dude. Like yeah - best odds are 1 in 7 winning the first pick, but those are still the best odds. All you can do is secure the best odds and hope it plays out. It seems like what you wanted was a scenario where we had 0% chance at a generational prospect and also ran it back with Rudy and Donovan for a 0% chance of making it to the second round. One of those two options has a chance for something better and the other is a dead end.



they had more than a 0 chance of winning it all. Maybe they just needed a new coach and a few tweeks? COTM was a huge reason why they didn't get out of the first round. A much bigger task to replace someone who in Jazz history comes around about every 15 years. See ya at the end of the next decade! Trade a statue or hope you get really lucky and acquire another statue?


2nd: What I want is to watch fun, competitive Jazz games. And I think trading away Don makes that harder to do in the near term than keeping him.

I look forward to seeing a team again instead of Mitchell and Clarkson gunning and everyone standing around watching them or standing around watching Rudy and Royce at the other end


I guess what I would like to see is a jazz team that wins a championship. At the very least it would be cool if the Jazz could make the conference finals and at least make it competitive once they were there.

trading statues and praying for another doesn't usually win championships. This isn't the Lakers where they buy them


I have almost 0 interest in a team with a ceiling 4-5 seed and first maybe second round playoff exit.



better find a new team. I'd love a team that moves the ball and plays hard at both ends which sounds like what Hardy plans. I have loved the Jazz when they play as a team. Big Al, Mitchell, Clarkson iso isn't my thing sorry! We play a different game here in Utah


You and I disagree on how to take this post-Rudy team to the WCF. I think blowing it all up and getting to the WCF is way harder than retooling around a 25-year old all-star. That's all.

depends on the 25 year old but yeah. Finding another Rudy won't come easy. Rudy has a good chance to go to the finals this year so obviously it wasn't him


How so? Like, didn't that shit end when we traded Kanter and lost Hayward? I mean, we still had Favors but we knew he wasn't going to be Dwight Howard at that point (who woulda thunk?!). The post-D-Will rebuild, ended with the rise of Hayward and Rudy. This is the end of the Rudy and Donovan chapter, if anything.




the Jazz were still hoping for Favors to be Dwight 2 seasons ago!


I'll miss Spi-dad-Mitchell if this happens. But it has become increasingly apparent that Utah will go into some sort of retooling or rebuild. 2 out of 5 starters from the original 2021 team have already been traded (O'Neale and Gobert), and possibly more if they want to use Bogdanovic or Conley as trade fodder. I honestly don't mind the Ultimate Clarkson Show ™ if this trade happens, it also helps evaluate if Clarkson can occupy a bigger role in the future and maybe secure a higher draft pick. If Donny gets traded, we're going full-on tank mode.

if Mitchell is gone Clarkson is. he should be either way. Hard to believe anyone else would want him!


Clarkson has already had the lead role on two teams. Both of those team decided to bench/trade him or both. Not sure why you need to evaluate this again.

yep. I saw enough after his first game in Utah!


He's not likely to take efficient shots, and he doesn't pass the ball much.



I'd prefer losing with players sharing the ball and working on D


I have a huge issue with this. Assuming a trade makes the Knicks a perennial playoff team, then any first round picks the Jazz receive, will be low first rounders. Not very many great players are picked that low. However, we absolutely can't let DM simply walk away after his contract is up. F🎇🥐k you, Hayward!




you're assuming a lot. Maybe Thibs can get them back on track but unless Barrett is able to lead them or Randle is better again it looks like a shit show to me. Thibs trying to get Mitchell to defend? Johnnie Bryand becomes interim coach?


If the Knicks give up something like Quickley, Grimes, Toppin, Reddish plus alpha their depth will be bad with two 6-1 guards in their back court which will be the repeat of Mitchell and Conley. And they will have to give up bunch of picks. I actually have no idea why the Knicks are going all in for Donovan AFTER they signed Brunson. Well that's because Knicks are the Knicks.

exactly. I figured they were done with Mitchell after getting Brunson. We love you James Dolan you sick mother ****er!


If this happens NYK really shot themselves in the foot with the Brunson signing.




not really. As long as he plays well he'd be tradable. Not a max deal


Ya, Having Barrett, Mitchell, and Brunson would be crazy. And since Brunson can't be traded until Dec (I believe) since he was signed this off season, NY would need to give up Barrett in the trade. Makes no sense to have those 3 in the back court.

Barrett at the 3

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At least one voice in the Jazz’s front office prefers Herro as a return to Barrett, (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) according to a source. Essentially, Tyler Herro’s likelihood of being a cheaper contract moving forward and his more advanced shooting stroke are reasons for optimism. RJ Barrett, to be sure, is longer, younger, and has much more defensive potential, though.

46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/member-of-jazz-front-office-more-interested-in-tyler-herro-over-rj-barrett-as-piece-in-mitchell-trade/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)





Jokes have been written about party-happy Herro in Utah, but a source with knowledge of Herro’s thinking says he’s more optimistic about the potential marriage (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) — especially one in which he’d play a greater role than in Miami.
46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732859/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)






RJ Barrett, the third pick of the 2019 NBA Draft, was considered more valuable to the Knicks than the Jazz, and so wasn’t included in the most recent conversation, (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) multiple sources told the Tribune.
46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732858/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)




Herro just said he wants to start. I like Barrett more as a potential two way but he might be more expensive to sign now. The picks and tank are more important. That's where you get the next franchise player I'd guess. 3 team deal where Jazz get Herro and picks from Knicks!

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In order to complete a trade, the Jazz would need to acquire a larger salary back from the Knicks as well. Julius Randle, though, would likely not be that piece — Evan Fournier or Derrick Rose are more likely, (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) a source said.

46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/evan-fournier-or-derrick-rose-more-likely-headed-to-jazz-not-julius-randle-in-mitchell-trade/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)



they wouldn't actually if all the young guys are in the deal as I proposed




In those conversations and prior ones, according to a source, the Jazz asked for a huge, essentially unprecedented return (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) for Donovan Mitchell. The Knicks can trade a maximum of eight first-round picks outright — the Jazz want a majority of those picks. They also asked for pick swaps down the road. Finally, they also asked for some combination of youngsters Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, Miles McBride, and Cam Reddish. Grimes is perhaps the lead target among those players for Utah.

46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732856/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)



Are you having fun yet Danny? Interesting that a 6'4 guard is their top guy






However, the Knicks are not the only team interested in Mitchell. The Miami Heat have been interested in both Kevin Durant and Donovan Mitchell over recent weeks. But their stable of young pieces and picks simply isn’t as attractive as New York’s. The Heat have traded their 2025 first-round pick away, meaning that they can only offer their 2023 pick, their 2027 pick, and their 2029 pick, along with pick swaps in the other years. The Heat also have a deficit of young players compared to New York. 22-year-old Tyler Herro is a good piece, but Max Strus, Gabe Vincent, and Omer Yurtseven are older and on shorter contracts than their key Knicks’ counterparts (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/).

46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732855/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)







Bam only 24!




The Heat made an offer weeks ago for Mitchell that included nearly all of those pieces, but the Jazz found it insufficient. (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) At that time, sources tell the Tribune, the Jazz and Heat agreed that a third team that might be necessary in the trade in order to bring more value to the Jazz — likely meaning that the Heat would have to send veteran pieces elsewhere to get younger player or pick value in return.

46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732854/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)







Another possibility that has been considered: Mitchell ending up in New York City — but for the Brooklyn Nets, rather than for the Knicks. In this circumstance, the Nets would trade Kevin Durant to a third team, (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) likely Phoenix, and use the capital they get back to acquire Mitchell. Nets owner Joe Tsai is said to want to maintain a competitive roster in Brooklyn despite trading Durant, and Mitchell would be a logical starting point.
46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732853/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)







However, huge roadblocks exist to the idea. The first is that the Nets, under a CBA rule, cannot hold Mitchell’s and Ben Simmons designated rookie extensions at the same time, since both were acquired in trade. The Nets would have to move Simmons to either the Jazz or another team (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/).
46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732851/) – via Salt Lake Tribune (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)


Simmons no way!

Second, the Suns would have to send out enough salary to balance out Durant’s $44 million contract — and Mikal Bridges’ $20 million isn’t enough. Center DeAndre Ayton, who might have been useful as both salary ballast and return, just signed a maximum extension offer sheet with the Indiana Pacers. (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/) The Suns, if they match, could not trade Ayton without his permission for one year.
46 mins ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732850/) – via Salt Lake (https://www.sltrib.com/sports/jazz/2022/07/14/donovan-mitchells-future-with/)

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wouldn't want Duncan Robinson for sure. Need at least a 3rd team for sure looking at the trade machine

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Andy Larsen: From my understanding of what the Jazz are looking for in Donovan Mitchell trade negotiations… – Knicks deal: They want more picks (‘29?), pick swaps, and/or Quentin Grimes – Heat deal: More picks + Max Strus (https://*********.com/social/) – Raptors deal: Not close whatsoever – Thunder deal: Not close, picks have no upside – 4 team deal: Actually Jazz could do that

4 hours ago (https://*********.com/rumor/jazz-want-more-picks-and-quentin-grimes-from-knicks-or-more-picks-and-max-strus-from-heat-for-donovan-mitchell/) – via Twitter andyblarsen (https://twitter.com/andyblarsen)



Grimes and Strus are the only guys they like? Danny just wants picks!!!




Andy Larsen: They’ve asked the Heat to engage a third team if they’re interested in Donovan, because they don’t find the packages the Heat can offer sufficient (https://*********.com/social/)

4 hours ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732726/) – via Twitter andyblarsen (https://twitter.com/andyblarsen)







“I think ultimately [the Knicks] are going to wind up with Donovan Mitchell.” (https://*********.com/social/) — @TimBontemps


"I think ultimately [the Knicks] are going to wind up with Donovan Mitchell."
—@TimBontemps (https://twitter.com/TimBontemps?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/A4iDh6G7rR (https://t.co/A4iDh6G7rR)

— Get Up (@GetUpESPN) July 14, 2022 (https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN/status/1547591215436050433?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


8 hours ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732700/) – via Twitter GetUpESPN (https://twitter.com/GetUpESPN)






Evan Sidery: . @wojespn on the Jazz now listening to trade offers for Donovan Mitchell: “This is a player coveted by numerous teams. And certainly when you see a trade market that includes Kevin Durant, players of that caliber, all of a sudden it can possibly open up multi-team scenarios.” (https://*********.com/social/)
14 hours ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732678/) – via Twitter esidery (https://twitter.com/esidery)






League sources have indicated that the Jazz have shut down some previous inquiries about Mitchell from other teams, but that was mostly based on timing and belief that offers would not have measured up to what the Jazz feel Mitchell is worth (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23212607/commentary-its-no-surprise-the-utah-jazz-are-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-for-donovan-mitchell).
14 hours ago (https://*********.com/rumor/1732677/) – via Sarah Todd @ deseret.com (https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/13/23212607/commentary-its-no-surprise-the-utah-jazz-are-willing-to-listen-to-trade-offers-for-donovan-mitchell)



the deals already more than he is worth. How much will some idiot pay? James ****in' Dolan!!!

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/13/23212984/utah-jazz-trade-rumors-the-latest-with-donovan-mitchell



A 4-team trade scenario involving Kevin Durant, Deandre Ayton, Ben Simmons & Donovan Mitchell (via @BobbyMarks42 (https://twitter.com/BobbyMarks42?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw))

Who says no?#NBATwitter (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBATwitter?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/U9V0tI44OI (https://t.co/U9V0tI44OI)

— ’ (@_Talkin_NBA) July 13, 2022 (https://twitter.com/_Talkin_NBA/status/1547305809595404288?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


no amount of picks is worth Simmons. **** that guy


I'm sure any team trading for Simmons would have a long 1-1 discussion with him and his agents before finalizing a deal. Simmons was a very good player, and if he's willing to really commit, he could still be a great contributor. And if he doesn't work out, UTA could still trade him before any of the recently acquired picks turn into players.

max deal, herniated discs, mental midget. No thanks!!!


Anyway, I guess we don't want a winning culture around here for awhile, so if he doesn't want to play, that's fine. If he sucks, that's fine. We don't want a good player right now anyway, but we need to take back about 30million somehow. Longterm I don't think he can turn down that kind of money, so he'd play and we'd have the option to trade him.

who wants him though?


Why wouldn't Cleveland want Bojan instead of Conley? They already have Rubio and Darius Garland.




and Neto who all too often out played the spaz!


I trust Danny and Justin," Hardy said. "Their track record and their history speaks for itself. But they've been really open and communicative with me and collaborative throughout the process."

what track record does Zanik have? Keeping COTM, signing Gay and Mitchell's bff?


You know, if Porter and Murry can play next season, Denver has a really good roster. Offense, defense, MVP.

big if. Backs are serious. I know


The west will be stacked with a lot of really good teams, so UTA may "tank" even if they don't do so intentionally.



call it what you will but they aren't winning without Gobert. Haven't seen it yet


If we get Sexton, that means we are pairing him with DM, right ?




Sexton is the biggest clue to me that he's gone. The trolls went wild last year when I said Sexton had put up similar numbers to Mitchell. He makes a lot of sense. Maybe a comparable player for 1/3 of the price?


Beasley?




he's only 25 so I could see keeping him if the front office thinks he can be a good influence

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https://www.slcdunk.com/2022/7/13/23212172/utah-jazz-pick-up-their-first-las-vegas-summer-league-loss-vs-toronto-raptors-nba-butler-coboclo


I truly want to see Coboclo succeed in the NBA. Yet it’s hard to see him carving out a significant role with how many avoidable mistakes he makes. It’s easy to notice when Coboclo is focused on the court or not, and tonight he showed the latter.



probably why he's been a bust


With that said, it’s undeniable that Butler has some amazing talent as passer. Had his teammates not blown open layups and dunks, Butler would have finished the night with nearly 10 assists, something he’s done multiple times this summer. I’m genuinely impressed with this part of his game and I hope the shooting comes around soon.



He'll figure it out backing up Quickley


Xavier Sneed hasn’t filled up the statsheet throughout summer league, but I still think he’s an NBA player. He does a fantastic job of playing within his role and defends well on the perimeter. He’s with Utah on a two-way contract.



they keep saying that but wasn't that just for last year? He's a restricted free agent no?


I was as critical of Q as anyone, but he was right for not playing Butler.

early on he was playing and shouldn't have. As the season wore on I could have seen going to him or someone else instead of more Clarkson bricks!


I didn't know Cockburn was on a 2-way contract.




exhibit 10

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/14/utah-jazz-could-the-new-york-knicks-offer-a-package-worthy-of-donovan-mitchell/

no thanks. Danny already told them too!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/14/utah-jazz-10-best-scorers-franchise-history/2/


9. Jeff Malone – 18.5 PPG

picked up to stretch the floor for Karl to work inside and he shot everything from 10-15 feet! Horny for Malone! :facepalm


8. Al Jefferson – 18.5 PPG

the inefficient black hole!


7. John Drew – 18.5 PPG

the drugslinger could fill it up. Almost a point a minute!

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/14/gilbert-arenas-bad-take-gobert-trade/


While it’s true that none of the players included in the deal are All-Stars, Arenas fails to understand that the Timberwolves will not be good forever. Sure, the picks in 2023 and 2025 might be in the latter part of the first round, but who can say where the Wolves will be in 2027 and 2029? Those could turn into lottery picks. The likelihood of Gobert, Karl-Anthony Towns, and Anthony Edwards all producing at a high level in the Gopher State together for the better part of a decade is absurd.

Ant will be great for a long time. They're unprotected and anything can happen. That is the key

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/13/patrick-beverleys-future-utah-jazz/

see ya

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/14/why-myles-turner-is-the-perfect-trade-candidate-for-the-utah-jazz/


With Deandre Ayton being heavily linked to Indiana (https://www.theringer.com/2022/7/13/23206315/deandre-ayton-to-the-pacers-makes-too-much-sense-not-to-happen), Turner would be a perfect fit for Utah, a team in desperate need of a big man.



could be a good fit next to Vanderbilt but not on a tanking team sorry


The Jazz could also choose to build around Mitchell and Turner in the draft. With seven first-round picks in the next four years, and former Celtics GM and President, Danny Ainge, taking over the reins of the organization, the team could strike gold in the draft.



this is why Danny is trading him. Turner/ Mitchell is lottery

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https://sircharlesincharge.com/2022/07/14/new-york-knicks-trade-ideas-donovan-mitchell/4/

you forgot Grimes

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https://fansided.com/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-trades/

Jazz don't want Vuc or max Ayton

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Talkin’ NBA: “What league executives are saying is that this is all going to be a maneuver to get the most [the Utah Jazz] possibly can out of the New York Knicks… We’re going to see a historical pick haul.” (https://*********.com/social/) — Brian Windhorst on Donovan Mitchell

– via Twitter _Talkin_NBA (https://twitter.com/_Talkin_NBA)





Talkin’ NBA: “Trader Danny [Ainge] as one source told me, ‘Wants the house.'” (https://*********.com/social/) — Tim MacMahon on the type of return the Jazz want for Donovan Mitchell
– via Twitter _Talkin_NBA (https://twitter.com/_Talkin_NBA)



I hope he starts having some fun again!

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Adrian Wojnarowski: The Pacers are waiving guard Duane Washington and waiving and stretching the three players who arrived in the Boston trade for Malcolm Brogdon: Malik Fitts, Juwan Morgan and Nik Stauskas, sources tell ESPN. That’ll create the cap space to sign Ayton to the max offer sheet (https://*********.com/social/).

– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)

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For the fourth quarter of the summer team’s win over Denver, Russell discussed the addition of Gobert, his fluid contract status and perhaps most of all, the excitement that exists now and has replaced the frustration at the end of last season. “I’m looking forward to our new group, our new chapter and what we have now,” Russell said. “What we have now is exciting for me. I haven’t ever been this excited about a team.” (https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article)

– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article)




doubt anyone on that team has been




“You know what you’re going to get from KAT. You know he’s going to dominate the game offensively,” Russell said. “Rudy, you know he’s going to dominate the game defensively. That balance alone does wonders for our team. For myself, I’ve always realized that if you put a shooter and a roller next to me, I can make the game easier for everyone around me. I’m just looking forward to bringing that to the team.” (https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article)

– via Jon Krawczynski @ The Athletic (https://theathletic.com/3418415/2022/07/13/courtside-with-dangelo-russell-wolves/?source=emp_shared_article)

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I can't see taking any of their vets. None are expiring. Only Reddish and Barrett and they would be up for extension now. Get another team involve if they have to take a seasoned vet. Needs to be expiring or a lot younger. I'd only want their young guys and assets

Basically what they said. Don't want Randle or Fournier cause they're stuck with like $100 million on the books from them. It's young players + picks that they're after if they move Mitchell.

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Basically what they said. Don't want Randle or Fournier cause they're stuck with like $100 million on the books from them. It's young players + picks that they're after if they move Mitchell.

two years on Rose too

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Tommy Beer: Donovan Mitchell will be in NYC this weekend – throwing out the first pitch before the Brooklyn Cyclones game on Saturday night (https://*********.com/social/). The team will also hand out Donovan Mitchell bobbleheads to fans in attendance. (via @BKCyclones) pic.twitter.com/BBljq30fwn
http://twitter.com/TommyBeer/status/1547724435196588044
– via Twitter TommyBeer (https://twitter.com/TommyBeer)

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Sarah Todd: Sources with knowledge of the situation say that Alex Jensen and Irv Roland will be among assistant coaches that are retained by the Jazz and be a part of Will Hardy’s staff (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter NBASarah (https://twitter.com/NBASarah)





Sarah Todd: Will Hardy has yet to make a decision on his lead assistant. But sources have confirmed that Alex Jensen, Irv Roland, Bryan Bailey and Lamar Skeeter will remain on the Jazz coaching staff (https://*********.com/social/).
– via Twitter NBASarah (https://twitter.com/NBASarah)




I'd guess Jensen could be the lead. He's been around a long time now and they will be tanking so don't need a Stotts or Vogel. So only about 10 more coaches to go? Not sure if they need more coaches or players at this point! :lol

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Tommy Beer: Shams Charania, when asked about trade talks between Utah and New York for Donovan Mitchell on the NBA TV broadcast, says he “expects this to be a dance that plays out over the next two-to-three weeks or the rest of the offseason.” (https://*********.com/social/)

– via Twitter TommyBeer (https://twitter.com/TommyBeer)





A few notes on the Knicks-Utah Jazz discussions around a Donovan Mitchell trade: New York and Utah spoke about a deal earlier this week prior to the Knicks formally announcing their free-agent signings, per SNY sources. The Jazz and Knicks talked about a package that would have included Mitchell Robinson and at least three first-round picks, per SNY sources. Utah had interest in Robinson (https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson). Robinson has since finalized his contract with the Knicks and cannot be traded until Dec 15.
– via SportsNet New York (https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson)



interesting. Would have made losing Rudy a little easier






In earlier talks, Utah had expressed interest in a package that included Quentin Grimes, per SNY sources. I don’t know if the Knicks’ thinking has changed, but I know members of the organization felt Utah was asking for too much at the time. On Grimes, specifically, the organization values the second-year guard and top decision-makers had been unwilling to move him in previous trade talks, including in the Cam Reddish trade (https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson).

– via SportsNet New York (https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson)







Also, as of Tuesday evening, sources familiar with the dynamic said the Knicks and Jazz were not close to making a deal. The Athletic reported on Tuesday night that the Knicks and Jazz had been in touch on a deal within the previous 24 hours and said Grimes is believed to be of interest to the Jazz. Teams in touch with the Jazz earlier in the week came away with the impression that Utah prioritized acquiring draft capital in any deal for Mitchell, as SNY reported on Tuesday (https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson).

– via SportsNet New York (https://www.sny.tv/articles/knicks-jazz-donovan-mitchell-trade-sources-mitchell-robinson)

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Adrian Wojnarowski: Free agent guard Austin Rivers has agreed on a one-year deal with the Minnesota Timberwolves, his agents Dave Spahn and Aaron Mintz of CAA Sports tell ESPN. Rivers played 67 games for Denver a year ago, where new president Tim Connelly signed him in consecutive seasons (https://*********.com/social/).

– via Twitter wojespn (https://twitter.com/wojespn)




Minnesota gets better

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The New York Knicks are hot after Donovan Mitchell, but they have to be careful not to end up bidding against themselves in trade talks with the Utah Jazz. We know Danny Ainge has a history of asking for, and often getting, the world, and indeed, Ainge recently asked the Knicks for a king’s ransom in exchange for Mitchell. According to Tony Jones of The Athletic, Utah offered Mitchell to New York for six future first-round draft picks plus Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin and Miles McBride, but the Knicks “backed away” from that proposal (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-backed-away-from-jazzs-huge-request-that-included-six-draft-picks/).

– via CBSSports.com (https://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/donovan-mitchell-trade-rumors-knicks-backed-away-from-jazzs-huge-request-that-included-six-draft-picks/)





Jones also reported that despite being linked to the trade, RJ Barrett isn’t likely to make the move to Utah simply because he doesn’t fit with what they’re trying to do: “The Jazz do not wont to take back RJ Barrett in the deal because they don’t want to pay him. They wanna go young,” Jones added (https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-utahs-insane-donovan-mitchell-trade-demands-that-forced-knicks-to-back-out-of-deal/).

– via Paolo Songco @ Clutch Points (https://clutchpoints.com/jazz-rumors-utahs-insane-donovan-mitchell-trade-demands-that-forced-knicks-to-back-out-of-deal/)




so no Reddish either? Sounds like a fair deal. Danny wouldn't try to rob anyone! :lol

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Tim MacMahon: The Jazz have have talked about moving (Mike) Conley. They’ve talked about moving (Bojan) Bogdanovic (https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h).

– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h)





Tim MacMahon: I’ll say if the Jazz and Raptors do a trade, I think Bogdanovic would be the guy going to Toronto, not Donovan Mitchell (https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h).
– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/episode/2D8TWOGcTK5cHFAQ83ea2h)



Clarkson please!

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https://kslsports.com/489576/three-hypothetical-jazz-knicks-donovan-mitchell-trades/


This would signal a total rebuild for the Jazz with no significant long-term contracts on the books, and get them back into the 2024 NBA Draft where they don’t currently own any picks.



don't think they care much about 2024 at the moment


Furthermore, the Knicks maintain roster flexibility by holding onto Toppin, Reddish, and Grimes providing ample young depth behind a competitive starting lineup.



sounds like Grimes is a key piece for Danny

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219784/what-life-for-the-utah-jazz-and-knicks-could-look-like-in-the-aftermath-of-a-donovan-mitchell-trade


If the Jazz were to move forward with Mitchell they would have an absolutely impossible task of trying to build a team around him that would come close to being able to contend. The defense is completely depleted without Gobert and Royce O’Neale, they still have the problem of having a too small back court with Mitchell and Mike Conley and there would need to be deals upon deals upon deals made to flip some assets and current players to make the Jazz a team that could even compete for a playoff spot, much less anything else.



new coach. New 6th man. new pg. Playoffs


The Knicks, who have a treasure chest full of future picks to offer in a deal, are probably going to have to give up at least a handful of them in order to land Mitchell, especially after the Gobert trade dictated the worth of a star player in today’s market. A deal would also probably include some number of younger high-ceiling players that are already semi-established.



we no the price of a statue anyway


It’s fairly easy to see the path forward for the Jazz.



now that Gobert is gone it's clear. Replacing Gobert not so clear


I understand getting someone like Mitchell, who is considered somewhat of a homegrown product for New York, being able to step in as a three-time All-Star who might not have even reached his highest potential yet, and making him the face of the franchise. But if we are talking about winning and hopefully contending for a title, I’m still uncertain about New York’s plan.



good luck making the playoffs!


Recent reports suggest that the Knicks have been hesitant to include as many future assets as the Jazz are asking for in a deal, and that makes sense to me. I don’t think that the Knicks have what it would take to be a contending team if they give up more than five of their future draft picks.



Danny might settle for 5. Depends on the rest of the package

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219542/four-utah-jazz-assistant-coaches-will-remain-on-staff-with-new-head-coach-will-hardy-alex-jensen


The Jazz feel confident in Hardy, a first-time NBA head coach, and believe that he is fortunate to have multiple people in the Jazz organization who have NBA head coaching experience for him to lean on for advice. Jazz CEO Danny Ainge and assistant general manager David Fizdale both have extensive experience coaching in the NBA.

don't think Danny's was to extensive. He was a good head coach. Probably a better front office guy though



Jensen originally joined the Jazz coaching staff in 2013 under Ty Corbin and was kept on staff by Snyder, eventually becoming his lead assistant. Roland joined the Jazz coaching staff in 2021, Skeeter has been a player development and assistant coach since 2016, and Bailey joined the Jazz staff in 2019 after coaching with the SLC Stars.



figured Roland must be new. Didn't recognize his name so much

wonder if the Stars will have new coaches too?

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23216974/what-trade-haul-could-the-utah-jazz-get-from-the-new-york-knicks-for-donovan-mitchell-draft-assets


In exchange for Utah sending Mitchell and Rudy Gay (https://www.deseret.com/2021/11/19/22788302/dedication-and-little-bit-of-crazy-how-rudy-gay-has-stayed-relevant-after-15-years-utah-jazz) to the Knicks, the Jazz would receive Evan Fournier, Cam Reddish, Obi Toppin and Miles McBride, as well as New York’s 2023, 2025 and 2027 first-round picks, and two first-round picks the Knicks have acquired from other teams — the Dallas Mavericks’ 2023 pick (top-10 protected) and the Wizards’ 2023 pick (top-14 protected).

would certainly want Gay in the deal if they have to take on Fournier, Rose or Randle



“Would Barrett be a deal-breaker for Utah? Probably not, especially in light of the limitations facing other suitors here. If the Knicks put seven or eight first-rounders on the table, nobody else is going to top that. Right now, they’re in the driver’s seat with or without Barrett, and that likely suits Utah just fine. He’s too good to properly tank with anyway.”



if he was too good to tank with the Knicks wouldn't have sucked last year. Jazz likely suck just fine with Barrett leading them


The Thunder trade scenario involves Derrick Favors returning to Utah, as well as the first-round pick the Jazz traded along with him to Oklahoma City in 2021.



told ya Favors coming home! Hopefully they get the first back too :roll:


The Heat have come up numerous times as a destination for Mitchell, and ESPN proposed a three-team trade (including Miami and OKC) where the Jazz would receive Tyler Herro, Nikola Jovic, Duncan Robinson and Gabe Vincent, as well as first-round picks in 2023, 2027 and 2029.



they don't want Robinson


The deal would send Mitchell and Udoke Azubuike to Miami, while the Thunder would get a collection of four future draft picks.



wouldn't be looking to deal another starting center unless the doctors think it's best


In this proposed trade, the Nets get Mitchell, Mikal Bridges and Myles Turner, the Phoenix Suns get Kevin Durant, who’s requested a trade from Brooklyn, the Indiana Pacers get DeAndre Ayton and the Jazz get Ben Simmons and a plethora of Suns picks: Phoenix’s picks in 2023, 2025, 2027 and 2029, and swaps with the Suns in 2024, 2026 and 2028.



no on Simmons


“Utah gets an absolute haul for Mitchell, getting Phoenix’s draft picks for the next several years in addition to taking a free swing on Simmons,” ESPN’s Tim Bontemps wrote.



the Suns picks aren't the ones you want

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23216167/donovan-mitchell-trade-utah-jazz-tank-who-is-victor-wembenyama-2023-nba-draft-new-york-knicks


As ESPN’s Jonathan Givony wrote last month, “The 7’3, 18-year-old Wembenyama, who boasts a 7’9 wingspan and 9’7 standing reach, has wowed NBA executives the past three years with his exceptional combination of fluidity, perimeter skill, shot-blocking instincts and feel for the game.”



Rudy length with skill!

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https://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat-latest-jazz-news/2022/7/14/23216434/donovan-mitchell-trade-utah-jazz-new-york-knick


It’s going to be one of those days where every notification that pops up on your phone is a potential blockbuster trade sending away Donovan Mitchell. Not gonna lie, my heart kinda broke a little bit typing that last sentence. Donovan has been unlike any player that the Jazz have ever had. The magical rookie year, dunk contest, the All-Stars, the smack-talk, 50-point playoff games, shoe deals, speaking out on social issues, Black Lives Matter, Breonna Taylor, beefing with Utah senators, giving away his shoes to kids at the games, THERE’S JUST SO MUCH. I’ll save the Donovan Mitchell tribute for when he’s actually gone, but this dude has just done so much good stuff in his 5 years in Utah. Seeing him traded away will be very difficult.



after sending a statue down the road this is easy


The Utah Jazz (https://www.slcdunk.com) rebuild is already underway. It was under way when they traded Joe Ingles during the regular season. It got a big boost when they traded Rudy Gobert two weeks ago. Trading Donovan Mitchell and adding to their stockpile of draft picks will initiate the biggest rebuild AKA TANK that we have ever seen as Jazz fans. I have no idea what to expect, but here we go.



unless the next Rudy ruins this tank too!


Tony Jones on ESPN700 today said the line Danny put to the Knicks was 6 firsts, Obi, IQ, Grimes, and McBride and hasn’t really budged off of that

Danny's way or the highway Mr. James ****in' Dolan! But where's my pick swaps? and no protections?


Also mentioned via Andy Larsen, that this deal could get done by tomorrow and seems to be hung up only on whether NY trades Grimes as well or if not if the Jazz can pry the 2029 pick instead.



Can't imagine Grimes holding it up. I realize they refused to trade him to other teams and like him but if you want Mitchell you have to give up something. a 6'4 guard that will be behind Brunson, Mitchell and Barrett holds things up? I'm sure Danny is going to try to pry everything he possibly can


As for Randle and Fournier....Fournier is an expiring after next year. Some team will take him at the deadline for seconds. He is a salary filler.

If Fournier has a team option on year two and 3 than he's the guy. Says he has 3 more years but they should be able to move him anyway. I imagine Thibs doesn't want to see Rose go and they don't want Randle

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/what-a-donovan-mitchell-deal-to-philadelphia-would-look-like/

another player the Jazz once wanted but makes no sense now

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https://twitter.com/lmaotaa/status/1546973714469662720

Real?

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https://thejnotes.com/2022/07/15/knicks-reject-latest-utah-jazz-trade-idea-donovan-mitchell/


While New York are still the favourite, the Knicks rejected the Jazz’ latest trade proposal for Donovan, which was reportedly Immanuel Quickley, Obi Toppin, Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride and six future first round picks. The Knicks young core depends heavily on the energy and passion that Toppin, Quickley and Grimes bring, and while six first round picks may end up being the return for Mitchell, the Knicks won’t give up most of their young core to make this happen.



you court Mitchell you have to give up something. Danny won't let you off that easy. I just hope he's having fun now?

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https://fansided.com/2022/07/14/knicks-r-j-barrett-donovan-mitchell-trade/

Ainge doesn't want him. Everyone else should be on the table except probably Reddish for the same reasons

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https://fansided.com/2022/07/14/jazz-trade-scenario-cavs-collin-sexton/


The rest of that paragraph makes this deal sound unlikely and, honestly, a cheaper wing-creator like Clarkson probably makes more sense for the Cavs, considering they have Darius Garland and already signed Ricky Rubio this offseason. I did suggest a version of this trade in The Whiteboard yesterday (https://fansided.com/2022/07/13/kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-trades/), but it had Conley routed to the Bulls, Sexton going to the Jazz and Mitchell ending up with the Cavs, along with a lot of other moving parts.



Conley to the Bulls makes more sense but where's my 6 Knicks 1sts!

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fournev01.html


2024-25 is a team option.

Signed 4-yr/$73M contract Tuesday, August 17, 2021 as part of a sign and trade from BOS to NYK.





2 more years isn't as bad. Should be able to flip him. Maybe to Minnesota so he can be with his pal

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https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html


Current Contract Player Option, Team Option · NBA Contracts Summary (https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/)








Team

2022-23
2023-24




New York Knicks (https://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/NYK.html)
$14,520,730
$15,596,339






Traded from DET to NYK Monday, February 8, 2021.



Signed 2-yr $15M contract Saturday, July 6, 2019.






Expiring. Player option next year for Rose so he might actually be better but Thibs would be sad. Could buy him out if necessary though he should still have value

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Randle 3 more years and then a player option! No thanks!

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267958/RJ-Barrett-Not-Believed-To-Be-Dealbreaker-In-Discussions-Between-Knicks-Jazz-On-Donovan-Mitchell


"The Jazz desire to get him is unclear to me," said Zach Lowe. "He might not be the dealbreaker people think it is."



Just give Danny more picks and swaps!

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267951/Raptors-Could-Trade-For-Bojan-Bogdanovic

probably be a bench player there. 6th man of the year?

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https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267949/Knicks-Backed-Away-From-Huge-Trade-Request-From-Jazz


While speaking with ESPN700 in Salt Lake City, Tony Jones of The Athletic reported that Utah made a huge request from New York in Mitchell trade talks. The Jazz wanted the Knicks to send six first-round picks, in addition to Quentin Grimes, Immanuel Quickley and Obi Toppin.



Doing business with Danny is not for the weak minded! :lol

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But there is always risk, no matter how great the players involved. Several front-office executives around the league used a word beyond “risk” to describe the recent Atlanta and Minnesota deals for Dejounte Murray and Rudy Gobert respectively: reckless. (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend) Even Durant is 34, and any team that acquires him will slice away a big part of its roster doing so. If it ends up being the Phoenix Suns — less likely after they matched the Indiana Pacers’ offer sheet for Deandre Ayton on Thursday — any unprotected Phoenix picks will have value given Durant is 34 and Chris Paul 37.

– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend)




It seems counterintuitive given they haven’t won a playoff series since 2004, but the Wolves might have been closer than Atlanta to “one-player-away” status. They had two bona fide stars in Anthony Edwards and Karl-Anthony Towns; Gobert gives them a big three — even if he’s a decade older than Edwards, who is barely starting his career (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend).
– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend)


big 4. They are deep to. They were a top 10 defense last year without Rudy! Should have Towns or Gobert in the game at all times. Should have Ant or D'angelo in the game at all times. Stagger Gobert with Ant like the Jazz did with Conley and Towns with his buddy.






The decision to move from two stars to three can be one of the thorniest team-building moments. The choice hinges on the talent of the two in-house stars; the supporting cast; the franchise’s timeline; injury risks; and other variables. The Clippers and Celtics have been content to stick with two and maintain flexibility. The Nets grabbed a third. The uniqueness of New York’s pursuit of Mitchell is he would be star No. 1 — meaning the Knicks would have fewer avenues to acquire star No. 2 (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend). Minnesota has zero history of nabbing major free agents, so it could frame the Gobert acquisition as its version of using cap space. Still: You rarely see teams in places like Minnesota go out on this kind of limb. The Wolves are probably still outside the inner circle of contenders until Edwards makes a big leap — by which time Gobert may be aging.

– via Zach Lowe @ ESPN (https://www.espn.com/nba/insider/insider/story/_/id/34245668/lowe-why-kevin-durant-donovan-mitchell-mega-deals-expand-unprecedented-nba-trend)




The Twolves win the trade unless the Jazz get a player at least as impactful as the highly flawed stiff Gobert. Execs are mad that they aren't getting their star too

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The Knicks have put out word that 22-year-old guard RJ Barrett, preparing for his fourth season, will not be available in trades, even in a blockbuster deal for Mitchell, whom New York has targeted for about a year. But one Eastern Conference general manager says that fact was mostly met with shrugs because of Barrett’s contract situation (https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/). Barrett is entering the final year of his rookie scale contract.

– via Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com (https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/)





“R.J. is extension-eligible,” the GM said. “That is a tough position. He might want max money or something close to it. He is not going to get it. It’s a tough negotiation for the Knicks with that because you have to commit to $30 million per year for a guy who is very good as a scorer and has potential but has not shown he is an elite player, really. (https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/) There is interest in R.J. but no one wants to trade for him, then take on the job of negotiating with him. Let the Knicks do that.”

– via Sean Deveney @ Heavy.com (https://heavy.com/sports/los-angeles-lakers/lebron-james-contract-extension-trade/)




while paying Mitchell max when he really isn't a max player either!

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The Knicks naturally hope to complete the actual acquisition of Donovan Mitchell now without surrendering more than, say, four or five of those eight future firsts (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league) and by keeping RJ Barrett out of the deal. While Barrett’s exclusion is likely fine with the Jazz, Utah (gulp) is said to want at least six of the eight picks.

– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league)





New York’s recently re-signed center Mitchell Robinson is ineligible to be traded before Dec. 15, creating another hurdle, but the presence of Quentin Grimes, Miles McBride, Immanuel Quickley, Cam Reddish and Obi Toppin on its roster seemingly gives Rose optionality when it comes to packaging promising young players with his array of picks, (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league) with Grimes believed to be at the top of Utah’s wish list. The Knicks’ most pressing fear appears to be: Don’t outbid yourself and end up being second-guessed leaguewide like Minnesota after what the Wolves gave up for Gobert.

– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league)




The Twolves are now one of the top teams in the league. No matter what the Knicks give up they likely aren't that good still. Looking more like a poor man Jazz with small guards and Robinson

James ****in' Dolan isn't going to let one or two measly 1sts stop this trade from happening is he?

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Mitchell is Miami’s favorite current trade target not named Kevin Durant. Brooklyn is believed to covet Mitchell with a similar fervor to install him as a potential successor to Durant as the Nets’ cornerstone player. (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league) Even if you believe that the Heat simply don’t have sufficient draft assets to outbid the Knicks for Mitchell, or that Phoenix’s retention of restricted free agent Deandre Ayton decreases the Suns’ ability to trade for Durant and thus makes it even harder on the Nets to concoct a multiteam trade construction that brings them Mitchell, New York must likewise be careful not to underestimate its reputable competition here on top of everything else.

– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league)

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The Athletic: Donovan Mitchell was chirping at Marcus Stroman on Twitter after the game between the Mets and Cubs was postponed. @STR0 had other things on his mind… pic.twitter.com/QDsnzoElWv (https://*********.com/social/)


Donovan Mitchell was chirping at Marcus Stroman on Twitter after the game between the Mets and Cubs was postponed.@STR0 (https://twitter.com/STR0?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) had other things on his mind… pic.twitter.com/QDsnzoElWv (https://t.co/QDsnzoElWv)
— The Athletic NBA (@TheAthleticNBA) July 15, 2022 (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA/status/1548027587137458177?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw)


– via Twitter TheAthleticNBA (https://twitter.com/TheAthleticNBA)

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Knicks assistant coach Johnny Bryant, who is very close with Mitchell, indeed secured multiple interviews during Utah’s recent coaching search but did not advance to the final stage before the job went to Boston Celtics assistant Will Hardy. (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league) Utah’s reported finalists for the job alongside Hardy were Toronto’s Adrian Griffin, Boston’s Joe Mazzulla and Jazz holdover assistant Alex Jensen.
– via Marc Stein @ marcstein.substack.com (https://marcstein.substack.com/p/leaving-las-vegas-with-summer-league)

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pg Sexton/Quickley/Forrest/Butler(Stars)/McBride(Stars)
sg Horton-Tucker/Grimes/Keels(roster, two way or stash?)(Stars?)/Darryl Morsell(Exhibit 10)(Stars)
sf Nickeil/Bolambo(Stars)/Juang(2way)(Stars)/Usher(exhibit10)(Stars)/Williams(exhibit 10)(Stars)
pf Vanderbilt/Toppin/Paschall
c Udoka/Kessler(Stars or rotation?)/Cockburn(exhibit 10)(Stars)

Butler or Quickley become expendable if they get Sexton to lead the tank.

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https://www.hoopsrumors.com/2022/07/jazz-reportedly-asking-knicks-for-three-players-six-first-rounders-in-mitchell-talks.html


The Jazz would have to take back at least one sizeable contract from New York to match Mitchell’s $30.35MM salary for next season. That probably won’t be Julius Randle (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/randlju01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) ($23.76MM in 2022/23), according to one of Larsen’s sources, who says that Evan Fournier (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/fournev01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) ($18MM) or Derrick Rose (https://www.basketball-reference.com/players/r/rosede01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) ($14.52MM) is more likely to be included.



Rose probably makes the most sense for both teams. Expiring and the Knicks have plenty of small guards without him

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https://www.spotrac.com/nba/utah-jazz/contracts/

says here Sneed got a two year deal. I don't think that would be guaranteed. Butler is expiring. He might be gone. Walker-Alexander up for extension. He's the biggest guard on the future roster I just made. Might be worth signing him to an extension if it's the right price for the tank. Got rotation experience on a tanking team already

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pg Sexton/Quickley/Forrest/Butler(Stars)/McBride(Stars)
sg Grimes/Horton-Tucker/Sneed(2way(Stars)/Keels(roster, two way or stash?) (Stars?)/Morsell(Exhibit 10)(Stars)
sf Nickeil/Bolambo(Stars)/Juang(2way)(Stars)/Usher(exhibit10) (Stars)/Williams(exhibit 10)(Stars)
pf Vanderbilt/Toppin/Paschall
c Udoka/Kessler(Stars or rotation?)/Cockburn(exhibit 10)(Stars)

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Grimes 6'8 wing span. Nothing special on paper. Can shoot and play D?

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Tony Jones: It appears Jared Butler is out for a rest day (https://*********.com/social/)
– via Twitter Tjonesonthenba (https://twitter.com/Tjonesonthenba)

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and yet the odds are they lost that trade

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L.A. could instead opt to deal Westbrook in a different deal, and according to NBA insider Jake Fischer, the Utah Jazz could be a possible partner in such a trade. “If [Donovan] Mitchell is ultimately moved, and the Jazz are just kind of a wasteland of young picks or young players and draft picks, there has been increasing talk around the league about teams wondering if the Jazz would be a potential landing spot for the Lakers to send Russell Westbrook, where they could potentially get Patrick Beverley and other salary back,” said Fischer. (https://lakersdaily.com/report-people-around-league-think-jazz-trading-for-russell-westbrook-then-buying-him-out-is-plausible/) “I’m not saying that’s been discussed. I’m not saying it’s likely to happen, but in theory if the Jazz in this rebuild, who just want picks, can get one or two picks from the Lakers to get an expiring contract and buy Russell Westbrook out, it seems like a scenario people around the league believe to at least be plausible.”
– via Zach Stevens @ Lakers Daily (https://lakersdaily.com/report-people-around-league-think-jazz-trading-for-russell-westbrook-then-buying-him-out-is-plausible/)

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Zach Lowe and Tim MacMahon appear to be in agreement that their reporting suggests RJ Barrett won’t be a dealbreaker in the Utah Jazz discussions on a Donovan Mitchell trade with the New York Knicks (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267958/RJ-Barrett-Not-Believed-To-Be-Dealbreaker-In-Discussions-Between-Knicks-Jazz-On-Donovan-Mitchell). “The Jazz desire to get him is unclear to me,” said Zach Lowe. “He might not be the dealbreaker people think it is.”
– via RealGM (https://basketball.realgm.com/wiretap/267958/RJ-Barrett-Not-Believed-To-Be-Dealbreaker-In-Discussions-Between-Knicks-Jazz-On-Donovan-Mitchell)

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https://www.ksl.com/article/50441032/jazzs-leandro-bolmaro-shows-promise-at-las-vegas-summer-league


"I asked to play for summer league because I want to get better," he said. "I want to improve; I wanted to win my place on the team. So I'm using the summer league to get ready for the season and have some rhythm for me."



:cheers:

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https://www.deseret.com/2022/7/14/23219784/what-life-for-the-utah-jazz-and-knicks-could-look-like-in-the-aftermath-of-a-donovan-mitchell-trade


It’s my personal opinion that trading Mitchell is the best thing for the Jazz if they want to move toward being a winning team. We had enough evidence to see that the Jazz weren’t going to win a title led by Mitchell and Rudy Gobert and winning with Mitchell as a centerpiece in the current Western Conference just doesn’t feel tenable.



we saw no evidence with a new coach, a starting PF, a bigger back court and new 6th man


If the Jazz were to move forward with Mitchell they would have an absolutely impossible task of trying to build a team around him that would come close to being able to contend. The defense is completely depleted without Gobert and Royce O’Neale, they still have the problem of having a too small back court with Mitchell and Mike Conley and there would need to be deals upon deals upon deals made to flip some assets and current players to make the Jazz a team that could even compete for a playoff spot, much less anything else.



you just need someone else to carry the team again. Not the difficult is it? :lol


The Knicks, who have a treasure chest full of future picks to offer in a deal, are probably going to have to give up at least a handful of them in order to land Mitchell, especially after the Gobert trade dictated the worth of a star player in today’s market. A deal would also probably include some number of younger high-ceiling players that are already semi-established.



we got the cost of a statue. An ineffcient, iso driven one way player? We'll see what Mr. James ****in' Dolan will offer!


All of this points to at least a couple of seasons of hardcore player development and investment in a team that will prioritize mental toughness and skills training over wins. It’s not the most glamorous stage for an NBA team to be in, but if the Jazz play their cards and their picks correctly, they could be on track to have some of the most coveted young prospects in the coming years, making for an exciting fresh-faced approach.



be a lot more than two unless they get lucky again


And didn’t we just see that Mitchell and Conley had a hard time in the postseason as a small backcourt? If the Knicks have Mitchell paired with Jalen Brunson, it’s hard for me to imagine that kind of a team being able to contend with some of the rangier and lengthy teams.



also have Gobert lite in the middle


Maybe it is worth it to get another team involved to make this make sense for everyone.

i think that's what you need so Thibs can keep Rose

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https://saltcityhoops.com/imagining-mitchells-future-in-a-new-basketball-framework/


Some of that is built off the on-court relationship with Rudy Gobert — that tandem was the #1 pick-and-roll duo in the league last season. But a lot of it is Mitchell’s own brilliance as a creator.



we'll see what Donovon Sexton does without someone carrying him


Even before the Jazz acquired Mike Conley Jr., I wrote about how Gobert’s impact elevates point guard play (https://saltcityhoops.com/the-gobert-factor-lifts-guard-play-and-not-just-on-defense/) at both ends of the court. And it’s true! George Hill, Ricky Rubio and even Shelvin Mack all had career years playing with the former Jazz defensive stalwart. There’s many reasons for this. Conley continued the tradition, earning his first All-Star appearance playing with Gobert. Of course, he wasn’t in his prime anymore and he his scoring average was down from his Memphis peak, but his shooting, playmaking and overall impact were top notch. The efficiency of the Conley-Gobert pick and roll was a big part of that, especially as the two decimated opposing bench units in the Jazz’s staggered rotation.



let's not forget the 6th best team with Exum and Burke running the show!


All of this should — and does! — also help Mitchell. But here’s the catch: Mitchell has not been playing as a natural point guard through his career. And even if that is his natural and future position on this or any other team, he’s so much different than any of those other guys. Namely because his most elite level skill is getting to the basket and finishing around and through contact, rather than finding a lob-finisher, for example.



he'll never be a natural pg. Not sure getting to the rim, finishing or getting to the line are strengths. He's gotten better


Mitchell undeniably benefitted in some ways from having Gobert as his pick-and-roll partner, but the latter’s gravity on the roll means the lane gets incredibly clogged, which could impact a crafty scorer like Mitchell. This is fine for Conley, who wants to lob it up or take a floater. (Notably, Wovles guard D’Angelo Russell loves the pull-up three around a screen, throwing lobs, and hitting floaters. He will shine with Rudy.)



Ant Gobert is the duo they need to make work


So while Mitchell’s pick and roll efficiency with Rudy was stellar and his off-the-bounce and catch-and-shoot threes were great, you could argue that his interior finishing was somewhat, um, stifled because both guys are essentially targeting the same space when they head to the lane after a ball screen. And despite this, they were still a great tandem!



A great tandem thanks to Gobert. Two years ago Conley and Gobert were the great tandem


New Jazz coach Will Hardy may not put together a system exactly like the Celtics’ 5-out motion ball with a bevy of athletic wings and switchability, but he will have some options for a more modern system than the previous one centered around a traditional rim-rolling big like Gobert. If Mitchell is somehow still on this team, he might finally be unleashed to do some heavy damage in the paint and at the rim.



Rim running is hardly traditional. More a thing in the modern game even if it's already becoming less common


Mitchell is also highly motivated. People are quick to point to the recent playoffs, or even stretches of this past season, where he seemed less engaged on defense or less connected in to his teammates. And that’s also true. It’s also a solvable problem and somewhat understandable given the drama surrounding the team over the past few seasons: the Jazz being central to the March 2020 COVID-related pause, later the “Great Bubble Collapse” vs. the Denver Nuggets, another playoff collapse in 2021, and constant rumors of unhappiness and looming roster change. We know he has the motor. We know he has the desire. We know he has the tools. He just needs to be unlocked and free, the way he was as a rookie and second year player.



we know he has some tools and lacks some others that are half the game! He's been unlocked and free. Not sure he could have been more free. Probably have less with Randle, Barrett, Brunson etc.


The possibility of unleashing a Mitchell version with more inside finishing is likely why the Jazz’s asking price for the young star is reportedly high. There is likely some curiosity about how Mitchell’s game could evolve untethered from a traditional dive big-oriented offense, and as such the Jazz will move him only if the right offer materializes. The Jazz are reportedly angling (https://twitter.com/davidjsmith1232/status/1547689777830342656?s=20&t=_DrdR4qRFzhx2Ql-SPpylQ) for a “historic haul” of first-round picks, along with young, cheap talent. A Knicks deal makes sense given their abundance of draft assets and young guys with upset like Quentin Grimes and Obi Toppin. According to reports, though, New York has backed away (https://twitter.com/JazzNationNews/status/1547701623438184448?s=20&t=_DrdR4qRFzhx2Ql-SPpylQ) after getting close on a deal. From here, this will be a game of chicken that could take days or weeks to resolve… or the Knicks could suddenly demonstrate a willingness to pay the price and a deal could be done any minute.



He might benefit from 5 out but there's still defense and the other 4 guys on the court. That's where he needs to get a lot better



Either way, Mitchell will have the opportunity to demonstrate what he can do outside of the context of the Gobert-Mitchell partnership. Whether that’s for the Knicks, the Jazz or some other team, we may witness a very different set of the guard’s strengths on display in what could be a historically great season from one Donovan Mitchell.



this so called historic season will probably be on a bad team but yeah!

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Jake Fischer: Miami is trying to go find multiple picks to eithed send to a Utah for Donovan Mitchell or to send to Brooklyn for Kevin Durant (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc).

– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc)





Jake Fischer on Donovan Mitchell talks: I was told directly that (the Jazz) asked for seven (first-round picks) in their opening negotiation (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc).

– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc)



I hope Danny is starting to have some fun with Mr. James ****in' Dolan! :lol






Jake Fischer: I know that Brooklyn at least inquired in the early stages of Durant’s trade request and Rudy Gobert’s deal to Minnesota to see if (Donovan Mitchell) was available. And they were told then that Donovan was not. (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc) Obviously things have changed now.

– via Spotify (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc)







Jake Fischer: From my conversations with people in the league, seems pretty clear Kyrie’s accepting the fact that he is overwhelmingly likely to be back in Brooklyn (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc).

– via Spotify
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Jake Fischer: The word on the street is definitely that both Barrett and Tyler Herro are looking for maximum contract extensions (https://open.spotify.com/show/0VWBDAN7SpiIbO8xWMGEsc).
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well duh. They'd be stupid not to ask

[Xiao Yao You]

https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/7/14/23215922/donovan-mitchell-trade-knicks-new-york-jazz-quickley-toppin-grimes


Why a Donovan Mitchell trade makes so much sense for Jazz and Knicks


Makes sense for the Jazz because he's not as good as his max contract and hype say he is and they can't build a winner around him


The Jazz essentially got five first round picks from the Minnesota Timberwolves (https://www.canishoopus.com) for Gobert — three of them unprotected, one top-five protected, and Auburn center Walker Kessler who just went No. 22 overall in the 2022 NBA Draft (https://www.sbnation.com/nba-draft). Yes, there were some veterans in the package as well to match salary (Jarred Vanderbilt, Malik Beasley, and Patrick Beverly among them), but the Jazz clearly made this particular deal with a long-term rebuild in mind.



Not necessarily. They got a couple good vets that could help a team trying to win besides the young guys and picks.


The initial reports said the Jazz intended to keep Donovan Mitchell and continue building around him, but it never made much sense given that the rest of the roster was getting torn down around him. Now Utah’s real plan is coming into focus: Mitchell is reportedly on the trade block (https://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/34233167/utah-jazz-now-willing-listen-donovan-mitchell-trade-scenarios-rival-teams-say), and it’s likely going to take a huge package of picks and appealing young players to land him.



he's still young enough that it could make sense if he was good enough. Just don't think he's as good as the Knicks think., James ****in Dolan!!! :cheers:



New York is in a unique position with the collection of picks they’ve acquired as they can bypass the NBA’s Stepien Rule and trade consecutive first round picks. Knicks can offer teams 4 consecutive picks in ‘23, ‘24, ‘25, ‘26. #NBA (https://twitter.com/hashtag/NBA?src=hash&ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw) pic.twitter.com/aCvfvqCxj0 (https://t.co/aCvfvqCxj0)

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music to Danny's ears. Now you just need to cough up 3 more!!! :oldlol:


Throw in Evan Fournier to make the salaries work. Throw in at least two unprotected future first round picks that originally belong to the Knicks, and maybe three first rounders that New York currently owns from other teams.



Rose or another team makes more sense


The Jazz get to add to their chest of draft picks and pick up some pretty decent young players in the process. Utah can maximize the chances of its own draft pick this year, and shoot for French super prospect Victor Wembanyama with the No. 1 pick in the 2023 draft (https://www.sbnation.com/nba/2022/6/22/23175121/victor-wembanyama-nba-draft-2023-scouting-report-video-stats-profile). G League Ignite guard Scoot Henderson is a hell of a consolation prize if they land at No. 2.



and it very well could change by next year as it often does


The Knicks have been hunting for a star since hiring Leon Rose to lead the front office. Mitchell is represented by CAA, the same agency Rose used to lead. New York would have a completely overhauled backcourt with Jalen Brunson and Mitchell. RJ Barrett will still be around. It’s possible, or even likely, that Julius Randle and Mitchell Robinson will still be there, too. The Knicks also made one of the best sleeper signings of free agency by inking Isaiah Hartenstein to a two-year deal away from the Clippers.



the problem is no one will be considered a star if they lose. Mitchell, Barrett, Randle, Brunson, Mitchell? play in even? could be 3 max deals!