so where are the epstein files?

[ZenMaster]

I think Trump is listed as a client, and Bannon. I think Elon saw the list of clients and the notables. He has knowledge of it.

YOU are the one who posted Pam saying "there are tens of thousands of videos" and while obviously that could only be an exaggeration, I don't doubt there are probably "lots" of videos. Probably Hundreds, maybe like 1,000.

And I highly doubt that Pam or Elon actually watched any of that. In fact it is possible no one has. It is possible Epstein handed over a list, and all the footage, and the FBI and said "here is all the video, and the names of the people in the videos" and that was that.

I don't think Obama or Biden or any Admin has direct knowledge of it. It's not like when a POTUS is elected the FBI approaches them with every single thing that have. I think that the Trump admin approached THEM about it, and forced access, which is something the other admins didn't care to do.

You're all over the place.

So now it's not a video that Bondi came across, but a it's a black book thing where Trump and Bannon were mentioned as clients, which she showed to Elon - but Trump doesn't know she showed it to Elon or else she would've been fired?

But then you say again that it is possible Epstein handed over a bunch of video which he claimed to be of crimes against children in exchange for a plea deal, but no one at the FBI watched it to confirm what's on there or that it's real. Do you realize how dumb this sounds?

You also went 180 on them covering it up, now you say it's likely both Obama and Biden had no knowledge about this at all.

[highwhey]

If Trump was on the list they would have exposed this years ago when Democrats were in power. This goes well beyond Trump. There are some powerful people all over the world on that list and all hell would break loose if the list got out. Trump caved.

the first half of your post tells you why neither administration has wanted to reveal the truth. his client list would implicate too many elite and ultra wealthy individuals that it's not as easy as singling out trump's name without bringing down the whole house of cards. an investigation like that would have a lot of feds all over it, feds that ask questions until they feel satisfied. there's a reason why the Feds have a 98% conviction rate, they are extremely thorough and well resourced.

[highwhey]

https://indignatie.nl/wp-content/uploads/2024/01/Eb90vNMU4AAjGHa.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAeLCiXYAA-93f.jpg
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Fm0Wps_XwAUgx4w.jpg


Which of these are fake?

"ARE PEOPLE STILL TALKING ABOUT THIS GUY?" - donald trump

[Off the Court]

Jstern: "you're gullible and low-IQ"

Also Jstern: "Trump is innocent"

:roll:

[diamenz]

regardless of whether trump did or didn't *uck whoever, what upsets me is that he's now complicit in the cover up. trump's supposed to be the outsider, the rock thrower, the people's molotov cocktail tossed into washington. the swamp drainer. where'd that guy go? he's betraying the trust that the people put him into office with, particularly his base.

with this epstein bullshit now, piled on with the still ongoing war in ukraine that can end with a phone call and now even talk of supporting another supplemental through congress, bombing iran on behalf of israel, giving his donors their tax cuts (this shit is washington corruption 101), you could make a strong argument that trump's gone and joined the *ucking uniparty.

[Baller234]

Off The Court prides himself on being on "The Right Side of History (TM)"

So long as you ignore all history prior to the beginning of Trump's second term.

[Off the Court]

You're all over the place.

So now it's not a video that Bondi came across, but a it's a black book thing where Trump and Bannon were mentioned as clients, which she showed to Elon - but Trump doesn't know she showed it to Elon or else she would've been fired?

But then you say again that it is possible Epstein handed over a bunch of video which he claimed to be of crimes against children in exchange for a plea deal, but no one at the FBI watched it to confirm what's on there or that it's real. Do you realize how dumb this sounds?

You also went 180 on them covering it up, now you say it's likely both Obama and Biden had no knowledge about this at all.

We know he handed a lot of stuff over in 2008 -
https://x.com/elonmusk/status/1942657777433993704?t=X3azdjFJ333w7YLqqerfgA&s=19

I don't know if they have video, saw a list, etc. You're asking me questions and I'm telling you how it MIGHT have went down.

Here's a question for you this time - what do you think Elon saw to say Trump is on the list? If not, well, the list?

[highwhey]

regardless of whether trump did or didn't *uck whoever, what upsets me is that he's now complicit in the cover up. trump's supposed to be the outsider, the rock thrower, the people's molotov cocktail tossed into washington. the swamp drainer. where'd that guy go? he's betraying the trust that the people put him into office with, particularly his base.

with this epstein bullshit now, piled on with the still ongoing war in ukraine that can end with a phone call and now even talk of supporting another supplemental through congress, bombing iran on behalf of israel, giving his donors their tax cuts (this shit is washington corruption 101), you could make a strong argument that trump's gone and joined the *ucking uniparty.

i agree, we need to zelle israel 500 billion dollars NOW :applause:

[Off the Court]

regardless of whether trump did or didn't *uck whoever, what upsets me is that he's now complicit in the cover up. trump's supposed to be the outsider, the rock thrower, the people's molotov cocktail tossed into washington. the swamp drainer. where'd that guy go? he's betraying the trust that the people put him into office with, particularly his base.

with this epstein bullshit now, piled on with the still ongoing war in ukraine that can end with a phone call and now even talk of supporting another supplemental through congress, bombing iran on behalf of israel, giving his donors their tax cuts (this shit is washington corruption 101), you could make a strong argument that trump's gone and joined the *ucking uniparty.

Yeah he's guilty of aiding and covering for pedophiles no matter what.

You left out the Elon fiasco, DOGE cutting weather services that were needed in the Texas tragedy and Grok transforming into a Hitler supporter,

[warriorfan]

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/member.php?827386-Off-the-Court


Off the Court has posted about Donald Trump 25+ times today, over the past 12 hours.

He has been obsessing about Donald Trump literally all day.

:roll:

Holy shit. Totally unhinged.

[RRR3]

https://i.ibb.co/8gfVD9vg/9zugpl.jpg

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://y.yarn.co/4cce6aad-e273-453b-9919-10f341a7c091_text.gif

https://thebosniatimes.ba/wp-content/uploads/2024/06/tbt_epstein_490509364903593070.png


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S6RF5ovqLNs

[Off the Court]

https://i.ibb.co/8gfVD9vg/9zugpl.jpg

:roll:

[highwhey]

WHERE ARE THE FILES?

https://media.tenor.com/kVrGzZGZnUUAAAAM/pulp-fiction-wtf.gif

[warriorfan]

Off the Hinge, Highweight, RRR3

The beta bros

Existence is pain!

:roll:

You cats just need to do yourselves a favor and figure out how to tie a good knot and then do the damn thing. It’s obvious you guys aren’t having a good time on this planet earth. And you aren’t exactly making it better for anyone else. At some point you need to take a step back and think about what exactly are you accomplishing here. Might be better for everyone if you just took a shortcut to the afterlife and try your luck there…because for you guys, this obviously ain’t it. :roll:

[Lakers Legend#32]

Notice Trump is not mad at Pam Bondi.

He's mad at the people who keep brining up Epstein.

[Overdrive]

regardless of whether trump did or didn't *uck whoever, what upsets me is that he's now complicit in the cover up. trump's supposed to be the outsider, the rock thrower, the people's molotov cocktail tossed into washington. the swamp drainer. where'd that guy go? he's betraying the trust that the people put him into office with, particularly his base.


You couldn't see this from miles away? A billionaire, who's been friends with the political elite for decades was supposed to drain the swamp? Fight against the elite?

If you said this before you were called out, but now it's pretty apparent for more people. Trump was never the outsider both he himself and his zealots painted him as. Trump is just as part of the elite as the people he attacked while campaining.

It's not even about Epstein and if he's on the list or not. If he is then so be it and if not just the same. It doesn't change his policies.

The problem is that the right wing populists, no matter if it's Trump, the plethora of Euro dudes, Bolsonaro or whoever portrays himself as the champion of the common men, will always betray said common men. None of these politicians people have any points of contact with them.

[RRR3]

You couldn't see this from miles away? A billionaire, who's been friends with the political elite for decades was supposed to drain the swamp? Fight against the elite?

If you said this before you were called out, but now it's pretty apparent for more people. Trump was never the outsider both he himself and his zealots painted him as. Trump is just as part of the elite as the people he attacked while campaining.

It's not even about Epstein and if he's on the list or not. If he is then so be it and if not just the same. It doesn't change his policies.

The problem is that the right wing populists, no matter if it's Trump, the plethora of Euro dudes, Bolsonaro or whoever portrays himself as the champion of the common men, will always betray said common men. None of these politicians people have any points of contact with them.
He has been told this many times but he’s very slow. Better late than never I guess.

[Off the Court]

You couldn't see this from miles away? A billionaire, who's been friends with the political elite for decades was supposed to drain the swamp? Fight against the elite?

If you said this before you were called out, but now it's pretty apparent for more people. Trump was never the outsider both he himself and his zealots painted him as. Trump is just as part of the elite as the people he attacked while campaining.

It's not even about Epstein and if he's on the list or not. If he is then so be it and if not just the same. It doesn't change his policies.

The problem is that the right wing populists, no matter if it's Trump, the plethora of Euro dudes, Bolsonaro or whoever portrays himself as the champion of the common men, will always betray said common men. None of these politicians people have any points of contact with them.

All of this is the basis for Elon's "American Party". A party that is finally for the people. As he has supposedly been slapped in the face with everything you just said. However I doubt it actually does anything now that Elon is universally hated by both the left and the right and painted himself a Nazi Clown.

[TheMan]

https://i.ibb.co/8gfVD9vg/9zugpl.jpg

Lol, all that retarded hick does is keep tabs on other posters and shits the bed whenever someone criticizes daddy Trump. What a beta ass loser.

[TheMan]

BTW, I haven't chimed in yet but why y'all acting surprised? We already knew Trump wasn't releasing the unredacted Epstein files, he's heavily implicated in it so obviously it was never gonna see the light of day...and Epstein "killed himself" while Trump was president, so convenient hmmmm

It's hilarious the mental gymnastics involved in being a Trumptard though :lol

[Lakers Legend#32]

Here’s what the Trump Administration is asking you to believe about Epstein.

-Guard fell asleep
-Cameras broke
-Maxwell never talked
-The key witness killed himself
-Bondi had tons of information
-A full minute was missing from the tapes
-The client list disappeared

Coincidence or cover-up?

[Akeem34TheDream]

I think neither Trump or Clinton raped any kids. But I think both were aware of what was going on. I don't get most of you though. Clearly both parties want to cover this up. Sovereignty of USA is in question and you are still debating Trump? He does what he is told here. If he were to give a list, this time shooters wouldn't miss.

[Off the Court]

Here’s what the Trump Administration is asking you to believe about Epstein.

-Guard fell asleep
-Cameras broke
-Maxwell never talked
-The key witness killed himself
-Bondi had tons of information
-A full minute was missing from the tapes
-The client list disappeared

Coincidence or cover-up?

It is really puzzling why the Trump Admin choose to say "Nothing Exists" when they could have said "Stuff exists but we can't show the evidence as it would jeopardize future court cases and endanger the female victims" or something along those lines.

People still would have said BULLSHIT. However it is a much more feasible answer than declaring that there is nothing, right after saying there is lots of stuff.

It feels like they really rushed that response out there and didn't think it through at all.

[Hey Yo]

It is really puzzling why the Trump Admin choose to say "Nothing Exists" when they could have said "Stuff exists but we can't show the evidence as it would jeopardize future court cases and endanger the female victims" or something along those lines.

People still would have said BULLSHIT. However it is a much more feasible answer than declaring that there is nothing, right after saying there is lots of stuff.

It feels like they really rushed that response out there and didn't think it through at all.

Regardless what was said.... you'd still say he's guilty and continue to show faux outrage.

[highwhey]

Regardless what was said.... you'd still say he's guilty and continue to show faux outrage.

you're accusing him of a theoretical scenario, very small d1ck energy. that's what hoes do, get mad about made up scenarios.

[diamenz]

I think neither Trump or Clinton raped any kids. But I think both were aware of what was going on. I don't get most of you though. Clearly both parties want to cover this up. Sovereignty of USA is in question and you are still debating Trump? He does what he is told here. If he were to give a list, this time shooters wouldn't miss.

yeah i can't buy into it either. they just don't seem like the extreme or perverse type. someone like chuck schumer though or bill gates i can see having dipped into it. i can see nancy pelosi watching them indulge while rubbing her stank pu$$y with those weird bulging eyes of hers.

sorry for the bad image folks.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EcAeLCiXYAA-93f.jpg



I'll say this.... Naomi Campbell (center) has been linked to both the Diddy & the Epstein scandals.

That woman is guilty af.... I think she recruits models and turns them into high price prostitutes.



If anybody is guilty by association... it's her.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Also.... I wouldn't dismiss pizza-gate in its entirety.

Elements of it are false, and other elements are fact.


Cheese Pizza is 100% a code word.

You don't think these people use code words?

[ArbitraryWater]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34hwm4jf9ck&ab_channel=ABC7



https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Giyg3IdXAAAxNjH.jpg

[diamenz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=34hwm4jf9ck&ab_channel=ABC7


either trump isn't aware of the backlash over the epstein files that he's getting in the webverse or he's blatantly patronizing and attempting to manipulate his base into moving on from all of this. if it's the latter, i hate to say it, but that just shows what he really thinks of you guys.

[HoopsNY]

BTW, I haven't chimed in yet but why y'all acting surprised? We already knew Trump wasn't releasing the unredacted Epstein files, he's heavily implicated in it so obviously it was never gonna see the light of day...and Epstein "killed himself" while Trump was president, so convenient hmmmm

It's hilarious the mental gymnastics involved in being a Trumptard though :lol

Trump's administration has proven itself to be just as bad as Biden. It is unbelievable how this is just business as usual. I'm sick to my stomach, really.

[ArbitraryWater]

either trump isn't aware of the backlash over the epstein files that he's getting in the webverse or he's blatantly patronizing and attempting to manipulate his base into moving on from all of this. if it's the latter, i hate to say it, but that just shows what he really thinks of you guys.

even the breitbart comment section which are 100% magas were disappointed and called him out which is saying something

[highwhey]

even the breitbart comment section which are 100% magas were disappointed and called him out which is saying something

too bad it's not a deal breaker for most of them.

[Overdrive]

too bad it's not a deal breaker for most of them.

Of course it's not, because "he's owning the libs".

That's all that's important, **** your own wellbeing as long as some boogeyman you only know from the internet gets ****ed over.

[warriorfan]

Of course it's not, because "he's owning the libs".

That's all that's important, **** your own wellbeing as long as some boogeyman you only know from the internet gets ****ed over.

Highwhey is a fat beaner and I don’t know enough about you but i’m guessing you are some weak and pathetic piece of European trash. Worry about your own shitty country instead of paying America so much free rent.

[Baller234]

too bad it's not a deal breaker for most of them.

Was it a deal breaker for the libs? Democrats spent the entirety of Biden's term covering this up as well.

I'm not thrilled about all this, and it's extremely disappointing given how hard that Trump and the republicans campaigned on it, but at the end of the day there are bigger fish to fry. I would have loved to see the list of clients get revealed but it was never as high on my list as the economy, the border, international affairs, fighting wokism... among other things. A stain on Trump's resume doesn't automatically mean that we're all just going to stop supporting the MAGA agenda and hop on over to team blue.

I do think it's pretty fascinating though that now all of a sudden democrats can't stop talking about Epstein after years of being afraid to even utter his name out loud.

[highwhey]

Was it a deal breaker for the libs? Democrats spent the entirety of Biden's term covering this up as well.

I'm not thrilled about all this, and it's extremely disappointing given how hard that Trump and the republicans campaigned on it, but at the end of the day there are bigger fish to fry. I would have loved to see the list of clients get revealed but it was never as high on my list as the economy, the border, international affairs, fighting wokism... among other things. A stain on Trump's resume doesn't automatically mean that we're all just going to stop supporting the MAGA agenda and hop on over to team blue.

I do think it's pretty fascinating though that now all of a sudden democrats can't stop talking about Epstein after years of being afraid to even utter his name out loud.

why are you always trying to spin this? didn't you guys already try to blame biden for 'covering this up'? then trump campaigned on the promise that he would investigate this? and is now actively covering it up?

stop trying to shift blame. trump is covering up a horrific crime.

[highwhey]

also, who exactly are the bigger fish to fry
? :facepalm

[Hey Yo]

why are you always trying to spin this? didn't you guys already try to blame biden for 'covering this up'? then trump campaigned on the promise that he would investigate this? and is now actively covering it up?

stop trying to shift blame. trump is covering up a horrific crime.

:oldlol: ...... so dumb

[Off the Court]

How long until Pam Bondi is fired?

I think Trump won't do that immediately, as that would signal a failure over the Epstein stuff. But I do think after it has had time to blow over, a few months from now. She will be fired. Her time is very limited and I am sure she knows that.

[highwhey]

How long until Pam Bondi is fired?

I think Trump won't do that immediately, as that would signal a failure over the Epstein stuff. But I do think after it has had time to blow over, a few months from now. She will be fired. Her time is very limited and I am sure she knows that.

why do all of trump's people get thrown under the bus while he skates free of blame? there's a long list now.

[diamenz]

where's chewing.

[Off the Court]

why do all of trump's people get thrown under the bus while he skates free of blame? there's a long list now.

That is his entire existence. Convincing everyone that he is the man, while everyone and everything around him goes bankrupt or gets thrown under the bus. He skates free with the bag of cash while everyone else burns. Look at Pence, look at Musk, look at everyone he associates with. They all eventually say "you know what, f@#k you". JD Vance's "f@#k you" is right around the corner.

[highwhey]

where's chewing.

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[Proctor]

https://i.postimg.cc/RZMd0pTB/image.png

:biggums:


:roll::roll::roll:

[Off the Court]

https://i.postimg.cc/RZMd0pTB/image.png

:roll:

[RRR3]

https://i.postimg.cc/RZMd0pTB/image.png
:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Lakers Legend#32]

https://i.postimg.cc/RZMd0pTB/image.png

Masterpiece Highwhey

[ArbitraryWater]

Masterpiece Highwhey


Thats Ai honey

[Lakers Legend#32]

Thats Ai honey

Still a masterpiece representation of Poopsie.

[Baller234]

why are you always trying to spin this? didn't you guys already try to blame biden for 'covering this up'? then trump campaigned on the promise that he would investigate this? and is now actively covering it up?

stop trying to shift blame. trump is covering up a horrific crime.

I'm not sure if you're the single most retarded poster on ISH, you're definitely in the discussion, but I'm not sure if you would rank #1. But you do definitely rank #1 in terms of failure to comprehend basic english. More than any other poster you have a knack for raising a question that's already been thoroughly answered for you. So either you're just selectively skimming through posts without reading them or you have a legitimate learning disorder. Maybe it's all the pot smoke.

Baller234: "Trump is definitely trying to cover this up..."

HIGHwhey: "Why are you trying to spin this? Why can't you admit that Trump is covering this up?..."


It's just pure brain rot.

Now clean up the empty cereal bowls from around your dirty ass couch.

[highwhey]

I'm not sure if you're the single most retarded poster on ISH, you're definitely in the discussion, but I'm not sure if you would rank #1. But you do definitely rank #1 in terms of failure to comprehend basic english. More than any other poster you have a knack for raising a question that's already been thoroughly answered for you. So either you're just selectively skimming through posts without reading them or you have a legitimate learning disorder. Maybe it's all the pot smoke.

Baller234: "Trump is definitely trying to cover this up..."

HIGHwhey: "Why are you trying to spin this? Why can't you admit that Trump is covering this up?..."


It's just pure brain rot.

Now clean up the empty cereal bowls from around your dirty ass couch.

meltdown

https://media1.tenor.com/m/JR4s5bEMLQoAAAAC/klasik-clasik.gif

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l87JefRABI

[Off the Court]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7l87JefRABI

https://x.com/TheDemocrats/status/1943799448867680544

https://x.com/TheDemocrats/status/1943718194855792758

https://x.com/TheDemocrats/status/1943346340227911726


This is literally the Democrats.

It is sad though they are incapable of pointing at Trump and instead "Dems are guilty because they are silent". Take some accountability FFS.

[Doomsday Dallas]

It is sad though they are incapable of pointing at Trump and instead "Dems are guilty because they are silent". Take some accountability FFS.


Well... the few MAGA friends that I have will admit it looks horrible for Trump.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Liberal Media...

It's the top story in the alternative media and for all of us .... Why wouldn't the liberal media make it the top headline story in bold letters for days?

If I was CNN... I wouldn't let this story disappear... ever.

[highwhey]

Well... the few MAGA friends that I have will admit it looks horrible for Trump.

.

are these friends of yours in the room with us right now? or do they disappear when you take your medications?

[Lakers Legend#32]

If there were nothing but Democrats on the Epstein List, Trump would have released them by now.

[diamenz]

meltdown

https://media1.tenor.com/m/JR4s5bEMLQoAAAAC/klasik-clasik.gif

baller is being quite reasonable. what more do you from him?

it's chewing you should be chewing out. of course it's no fun when pu$$ies curl up in a ball in the corner and won't show their face when the going gets tough.

https://media.tenor.com/C9f_9ckRKDoAAAAM/homer-fetal-position.gif

[Off the Court]

Well... the few MAGA friends that I have will admit it looks horrible for Trump.

I was thinking more along the lines of the Liberal Media...

It's the top story in the alternative media and for all of us .... Why wouldn't the liberal media make it the top headline story in bold letters for days?

If I was CNN... I wouldn't let this story disappear... ever.

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/12/politics/bondi-epstein-investigation-trump

It's all over CNN :confusedshrug:

It's all over everything. For both sides. It's all anyone's talking about. :oldlol:




Here's the thing though, the Democrats are just a political party, and they are years away from the Presidential election. And even if there was an election tomorrow, Trump can't run again. This is his last term. It's over. So putting lots of time and energy into making him look awful? Not much point. Even if they got him arrested we are still looking at a Vance Presidency. I mean it might help the Dems some for midterms, and I am sure it will come up for GOP members that are MAGA. In fact I bet the Republicans running will distance themselves from MAGA.

[Off the Court]

For me I just really hope this ordeal helps lessen the political division around MAGA. The division has been as strong as I can remember and Trump has been the center piece to it all. This is the first time I think I have ever seen MAGA collectively in disgust over Trump. It isn't ALL of MAGA of coarse. We still see the tribal ones somehow pointing at Biden and Democrats. But this is the first time I have been able to open up a thread on Twitter and see MAGA accounts voicing disgust. This is the first time many of them are questioning if they should be supporting him or not.


It's a big one because TBH much of the right has PDS. Pedo Derangement Syndrome. It's the one accusation they make about everyone they hate. Whether it is Hollywood actors, or Democrats. Their go to accusation is pedophilia. It has been ingrained into them that everything evil on this planet is a pedophile. So for their dear leader to be one? It's mind-blowing.

[warriorfan]

For me I just really hope this ordeal helps lessen the political division around MAGA. The division has been as strong as I can remember and Trump has been the center piece to it all. This is the first time I think I have ever seen MAGA collectively in disgust over Trump. It isn't ALL of MAGA of coarse. We still see the tribal ones somehow pointing at Biden and Democrats. But this is the first time I have been able to open up a thread on Twitter and see MAGA accounts voicing disgust. This is the first time many of them are questioning if they should be supporting him or not.


It's a big one because TBH much of the right has PDS. Pedo Derangement Syndrome. It's the one accusation they make about everyone they hate. Whether it is Hollywood actors, or Democrats. Their go to accusation is pedophilia. It has been ingrained into them that everything evil on this planet is a pedophile. So for their dear leader to be one? It's mind-blowing.

This guy is such a miserable f.aggot

:lol :roll:

[RRR3]

This guy is such a miserable f.aggot

:lol :roll:
Are you able to actually defend Trump or are personal attacks all you have when it comes to discussing his policies and actions?

[warriorfan]

Are you able to actually defend Trump or are personal attacks all you have when it comes to discussing his policies and actions?

Personal attacks.

I don’t obsess about donald trump all day but it is amusing to pop in every once in awhile and see you losers melting down literally all day every day.

Get a life frizzy boy

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.cnn.com/2025/07/12/politics/bondi-epstein-investigation-trump

It's all over CNN :confusedshrug:

It's all over everything. For both sides. It's all anyone's talking about. :oldlol:



They just put that up a few hours ago... should be the top headline.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Here's the thing though, the Democrats are just a political party, and they are years away from the Presidential election. And even if there was an election tomorrow, Trump can't run again. This is his last term. It's over.


But if the country is at war... a serious war like WWIII.... I think he's allowed to stay in office

[bladefd]

But if the country is at war... a serious war like WWIII.... I think he's allowed to stay in office

Nope. Election still happens, and Donald wouldn't be eligible without a Constitutional amendment.

Doesn't matter if the aliens invade or the dead return to life or asteroids are on the way to Earth

[Doomsday Dallas]

Let's see what Tom McDonald has to say....


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pfxqw-pgJOk

[Off the Court]

The truth is none of us know what Epstein provided. But we do know he provided something. That is documented. nd we also know at least some of it is video footage.

So at minimum, there is a partial list of clients.

It is probably doubtful that Epstein was able to provide a list of literally every client. I do doubt that exists. But I am betting the Feds at least have a list of a few big names, possibly dozens.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-ldwUL7sI0

https://y.yarn.co/4875fa0d-a010-4503-ba2c-91ac91a1f03c_text.gif

[Bill Gates]

So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.

Which unequivocally means, Trump is listed.

MAGA understands this now. But the defenders are now saying "if Trump is in there, Dems would have released them".

But the Dems didn't release them, because there are Dems on the list.

Which means. The list is real. And Trump is on it. Musk knew.

[ArbitraryWater]

So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.

Which unequivocally means, Trump is listed.

MAGA understands this now. But the defenders are now saying "if Trump is in there, Dems would have released them".

But the Dems didn't release them, because there are Dems on the list.

Which means. The list is real. And Trump is on it. Musk knew.


Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.

Does it really make sense to you that this is the behaviour of a person who has a lot to lose if more about said list/activity is brought to light?

Use your brain and not your bias.

[highwhey]

So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.

Which unequivocally means, Trump is listed.

MAGA understands this now. But the defenders are now saying "if Trump is in there, Dems would have released them".

But the Dems didn't release them, because there are Dems on the list.

Which means. The list is real. And Trump is on it. Musk knew.

:oldlol: you know what, his voter base will believe him bc it's a lot better to believe a lie than the truth

[Bill Gates]

Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.

Does it really make sense to you that this is the behaviour of a person who has a lot to lose if more about said list/activity is brought to light?

Use your brain and not your bias.

https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1942068198557335825?t=3TiD4ktxSUAfOiO1xonp5A&s=19

That was posted earlier in this thread.

It's Trump in 2024 downplaying the Epstein list when asked. Saying it can't be trusted.

He promised his conspiracy minded followers JFK, and when asked about Epstein he'd sometimes play along. And those around him like Pam acted gung ho about it because they didn't realize he was in it. But now they do.

[diamenz]

So Trump is now saying that the Epstein files are not to be trusted. They are a lie. Democrats like Obama made them up.



you see how blatantly he patronizes his base? it couldn't be any more clear how hard he looks down upon them and plays them. and they're up in arms now but...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRphqwRK6_K87EFFET82xRVA0YwL_U4Y nd3Gg&s

...this why you don't allow yourself to get emotionally involved in politics. not only does it cloud your thinking but you become a pawn in a game that you have no control over.

[highwhey]

you see how blatantly he patronizes his base? it couldn't be any more clear how hard he looks down upon them and plays them. and they're up in arms now but...

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRphqwRK6_K87EFFET82xRVA0YwL_U4Y nd3Gg&s

being a devoted MAGAt does remind me of those women in abusive relationships that always show up with bruises. they get gaslighted, manipulated, lied to and after they get their asses beat, they truly believe it's their fault and not their abusive partner's fault.

[diamenz]

Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.

Does it really make sense to you that this is the behaviour of a person who has a lot to lose if more about said list/activity is brought to light?

Use your brain and not your bias.

i highly doubt trump is involved in that sickness but for a politician that calls himself an outsider and has no future elections ahead of him, it baffles me why he's going so far out of his way to cover this up. either he's getting paid BIGLY or the same powers that took out jfk are at work here.

[Bill Gates]

i highly doubt trump is involved in that sickness but for a politician that calls himself an outsider and has no future elections ahead of him, it baffles me why he's going so far out of his way to cover this up. either he's getting paid BIGLY or the same powers that took out jfk are at work here.

He's very clearly on the list. Like Musk said. And now he's claiming it's fake. I'm not sure how anyone could doubt his involvement seeing that for over a decade he and Epstein were close friends.

[Baller234]

i highly doubt trump is involved in that sickness but for a politician that calls himself an outsider and has no future elections ahead of him, it baffles me why he's going so far out of his way to cover this up. either he's getting paid BIGLY or the same powers that took out jfk are at work here.

I would also guess that the files aren't just limited to sexual acts. I'm sure of some of the "clients" are compromised in other ways too. Proof of bribery, stuff like that.

I'm saying this because I can't imagine that every single target was ready and willing to take a little girl mistress. If that option isn't on the table they have to try and compromise them some other way.

Then again the people in Washington are probably so sick and perverted maybe the batting average is higher than I suspect.

[Bill Gates]

I would also guess that the files aren't just limited to sexual acts. I'm sure of some of the "clients" are compromised in other ways too. Proof of bribery, stuff like that.

I'm saying this because I can't imagine that every single target was ready and willing to take a little girl mistress. If that option isn't on the table they have to try and compromise them some other way.

Then again the people in Washington are probably so sick and perverted maybe the batting average is higher than I suspect.

The girls that were underage were teens, so for many of them they probably didn't view it as pedophilia. They were partying and then engaging with a 15 year old, not a 5 year old. And this was during a time when pedophilia hadn't quite blown up yet. Over the last decade or so it's kind of gone viral.

[Lakers Legend#32]

MAGAS defense now is, "So what if Trump f#cked little girls?"

This is disturbing even for a cult.

[Baller234]

The girls that were underage were teens, so for many of them they probably didn't view it as pedophilia. They were partying and then engaging with a 15 year old, not a 5 year old. And this was during a time when pedophilia hadn't quite blown up yet. Over the last decade or so it's kind of gone viral.

Even still, I would like to think some of them showed restraint.

This guy invites you to his island, and all of a sudden there's this really young girl coming onto you? I would like to think that A) some of them had the wits to realize they were being set up ... and B) some of them weren't interested.

[Lakers Legend#32]

When all else fails for Trump….. Blame:

Biden
Hillary
Obama
Hunter’s Laptop
Fake News
Deep State
Benghazi
Her Emails
Lizard People
Blah Blah Blah

Bitch… You Guilty AF

[diamenz]

He's very clearly on the list. Like Musk said. And now he's claiming it's fake. I'm not sure how anyone could doubt his involvement seeing that for over a decade he and Epstein were close friends.

but in what capacity? we can't jump to conclusions because there isn't enough evidence or indicators to implicate him in that manner. ever heard of "being caught up in some bullshit"? you probably think that ik'm making excuses for trump here but in the end the actual explanations to these crazy things, if they ever are actually realized, end up being a lot more intricate than we originally thought.

in other words that side of the equation is all speculation and wishful thinking from trump deranged lefties. i'd just stick to what's clear as day, which is the cover up... and i get how the two are linked but i just don't see any strong enough leads to support that argument at this point.

[highwhey]

Even still, I would like to think some of them showed restraint.

This guy invites you to his island, and all of a sudden there's this really young girl coming onto you? I would like to think that A) some of them had the wits to realize they were being set up ... and B) some of them weren't interested.

:roll::roll::roll:


the mental gymnastics involved in defending trump are surreal


https://sdmntprwestus.oaiusercontent.com/files/00000000-65a8-6230-a272-d5fde754f0f0/raw?se=2025-07-13T17%3A04%3A11Z&sp=r&sv=2024-08-04&sr=b&scid=619e2e69-cf41-5f16-bf81-34e2e796b31d&skoid=f28c0102-4d9d-4950-baf0-4a8e5f6cf9d4&sktid=a48cca56-e6da-484e-a814-9c849652bcb3&skt=2025-07-13T15%3A44%3A25Z&ske=2025-07-14T15%3A44%3A25Z&sks=b&skv=2024-08-04&sig=gBM4EmNkGEtGh/%2BbYrAJkNSmZSwLFvRdjJkaPrnIJ2U%3D

[Lakers Legend#32]

If the Epstein Files cleared Trump he would be selling them on Truth Social.

[ArbitraryWater]

https://x.com/BlueATLGeorgia/status/1942068198557335825?t=3TiD4ktxSUAfOiO1xonp5A&s=19

That was posted earlier in this thread.

It's Trump in 2024 downplaying the Epstein list when asked. Saying it can't be trusted.

He promised his conspiracy minded followers JFK, and when asked about Epstein he'd sometimes play along. And those around him like Pam acted gung ho about it because they didn't realize he was in it. But now they do.

Again, youre not saying anything new.

I could basically make the same reply:

Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.


Promised his conspiracy followers like JFK? Mate he raised attention to this in 2015 and 2016 when no network wanted to talk about it mao. When Epstein was ****ing alive.

He no longer had contact with Epstein after 2004 or something, this is documented.

[highwhey]

Again, youre not saying anything new.

I could basically make the same reply:

Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.


Promised his conspiracy followers like JFK? Mate he raised attention to this in 2015 and 2016 when no network wanted to talk about it mao. When Epstein was ****ing alive.

He no longer had contact with Epstein after 2004 or something, this is documented.

your arguments are always lazy and are anchored around very little substance.

general rule of thumb, if your only evidence is something that can be easily refuted by the reverse theoretical scenario, it's garbage.

[Doomsday Dallas]

In the interest of national security (and Israel's national security) ... it's probably best that the public doesn't know the truth.

[highwhey]

WHERE ARE THE FILES?

https://media.tenor.com/kVrGzZGZnUUAAAAM/pulp-fiction-wtf.gif

[Off the Court]

In the interest of national security (and Israel's national security) ... it's probably best that the public doesn't know the truth.
The implosion would be crazy yes. If Trump is shown to be what everyone suspects I think there would be a brief period where he makes conspiracy claims, just like with the voter fraud stuff, and then eventually gets impeached and kicked out just like Bill Clinton did. And then we are looking at a JD Vance Presidency which honestly seems pretty bad because that guy doesn't seem like he has the moxie to be a President.

[Doomsday Dallas]

The implosion would be crazy yes. If Trump is shown to be what everyone suspects I think there would be a brief period where he makes conspiracy claims, just like with the voter fraud stuff, and then eventually gets impeached and kicked out just like Bill Clinton did. And then we are looking at a JD Vance Presidency which honestly seems pretty bad because that guy doesn't seem like he has the moxie to be a President.


I'm going to say this one last time...

yes, it's possible Trump gets off on little children, yes, it's possible that Trump f*cked his own daughter



But that's not what I believe Trumps involvement was in this case.... His involvement was to collect dirt/information so he could gain power.

Does he not hold power today? How much power does he have if the dirt gets released?




Either way.... let's say he was having sex with minors.... so essentially that would mean somebody is blackmailing Trump right?

That means somebody has dirt on Trump right? Somebody would have power over Trump.... I wonder who that could be? Zionist interests perhaps?



You have one of two options: Either Trump is working with Zionists, or Zionists have power over Trump..... My research indicated he works with/for the Jews, not because he has a fetish for minors.

There is a third option.... but it would take too long to explain, but it goes along the lines that this all well crafted calculated political theater.

5D chess deception that goes beyond the average person's comprehension.


https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/3/3c/By_Way_of_Deception.jpg/250px-By_Way_of_Deception.jpg

[Off the Court]

Sorry but that is more of your signature tin-foil ranting. Not along ago you were writing essays that Trump would never be POTUS. But now he was gathering info for his future Presidency that no one believed would happen? Give me a break.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

This article is from 2016


A woman who accused Donald Trump of raping her two decades ago when she was a 13-year-old aspiring teen model has again dropped a federal lawsuit over the alleged assaults.

The accuser, identified in the lawsuit by the pseudonym “Jane Doe,” was expected to appear at a news conference in Los Angeles Wednesday, but that appearance was abruptly canceled.

The lawyer who organized the event, Lisa Bloom, said Trump’s accuser had received threats and was too frightened to show up.

In the most recent suit, Trump’s accuser asserted that while she was exploring a modeling career in 1994, she attended a series of parties at the Manhattan home of prominent investor Jeffrey Epstein. She alleges that during those parties the real estate mogul tied her to a bed and raped her. She also claimed Epstein raped her during that series of gatherings


This is what is likely happened.

She was 13 years old when it happened.

[bladefd]

Again, youre not saying anything new.

I could basically make the same reply:

Trump brought up the Epstein list many times when no one did, pushing the issue completely unprovoked, even bringing it up on live Television at debates to confront Clinton about it (in regards to Bill), or mention Prince Andrew in an Interview.


Promised his conspiracy followers like JFK? Mate he raised attention to this in 2015 and 2016 when no network wanted to talk about it mao. When Epstein was ****ing alive.

He no longer had contact with Epstein after 2004 or something, this is documented.

He is a nut, just like you. Does that sufficiently answer your question?

[Doomsday Dallas]

This is what is likely happened.

She was 13 years old when it happened.



So all of this happened because these people are just sick sexual deviants?

No intelligence gathering, no blackmailing, ... just elite parties where billionaires can molest children.


I think you need to go back to the original question that was asked: Who did Epstein work for?

[Baller234]

Off The Court is really a genius I have to say.

So there was evidence linking Trump to a violent rape of an underage girl, one that was totally independent from the island shenanigans and didn't involve any other high profile government officials, and none of Trump's enemies came forward with it?

The powers that be, all the government officials that wanted Trump out of the paint, the intelligence agencies that manufactured phony investigations to try and impeach him... they had Trump nailed dead to rights by himself and chose not to pursue it?

:oldlol:

[Off the Court]

That happened in 2016, no one thought Trump would even win the Presidency. The case was dropped because she was scared for her life. And many at the time assumed every woman that comes forward with something is a liar and after money.

But this one said that both He and Epstein raped her when she was 13. Tied her to a bed.




It's real and it happened and Trump knows it. So he is now trying to say that Obama made it up :oldlol:

[Off the Court]

Also apparently Ghislaine Maxwell has agreed to testify in court in regards to the Epstein list.

I think BOTH sides are suspicious of this though. Will she lie and say "nothing exists"? Will Trump and his people force her to say what he needs?

And then on the flip MAGA thinks the "Deep State" will do the same thing :oldlol:

I think what needs to happen here, is that Congress force a vote where the FBI and CIA just spill out everything they have.

[highwhey]

Also apparently Ghislaine Maxwell has agreed to testify in court in regards to the Epstein list.

I think BOTH sides are suspicious of this though. Will she lie and say "nothing exists"? Will Trump and his people force her to say what he needs?

And then on the flip MAGA thinks the "Deep State" will do the same thing :oldlol:

I think what needs to happen here, is that Congress force a vote where the FBI and CIA just spill out everything they have.

she's absolutely going to lie and get pardoned for it :facepalm

[Baller234]

That happened in 2016, no one thought Trump would even win the Presidency. The case was dropped because she was scared for her life. And many at the time assumed every woman that comes forward with something is a liar and after money.

But this one said that both He and Epstein raped her when she was 13. Tied her to a bed.




It's real and it happened and Trump knows it. So he is now trying to say that Obama made it up :oldlol:

Right, so Trump tied an underage girl to a bed and raped her, and there's evidence for it, and nobody else is linked to it but Trump and Epstein... but no one who had a vested interest in getting rid of Trump at any point from 2016-2025 chose to pursue it or make a fuss about it.

Very interesting theory you have there smart guy.

[Off the Court]

Right, so Trump tied an underage girl to a bed and raped her, and there's evidence for it, and nobody else is linked to it but Trump and Epstein... but no one who had a vested interest in getting rid of Trump at any point from 2016-2025 chose to pursue it or make a fuss about it.

Very interesting theory you have there smart guy.
We have a woman from years ago claiming Trump raped her with Epstein.

We also have Trump recently found guilty of raping a woman in civil court.

And now we have Musk saying Trump is on the list. We can also see Trump and Epstein were besties. Trump and Epstein were like the Batman and Robin of raping girls.



1 + 1 = 2

WAKE UP

[ZenMaster]

Sorry but that is more of your signature tin-foil ranting. Not along ago you were writing essays that Trump would never be POTUS. But now he was gathering info for his future Presidency that no one believed would happen? Give me a break.

https://www.politico.com/story/2016/11/donald-trump-rape-lawsuit-dropped-230770

This article is from 2016




This is what is likely happened.

She was 13 years old when it happened.

Likely all you're doing here is playing into Trump's excuse about fake stuff being added to the Epstein files later on.

This story was pushed heavily to media by a guy claiming his name was Al Taylor. The woman making the claim about Trump and Epstein shared in an early interview that Al Taylor had helped her draft the complaint. Turns out Al Taylor was really a guy named Norm Lubow, who was known for having created various pieces of fake news. He'd also worked as a Jerry Springer producer, creating fake segments and getting people to play out those fake segments pretending they were real.
"Al Taylor" was trying to get media outlets to pay a million dollars for rights to "Katie Johnson's" video explaining what they did to her, but no one wanted to pay it because they were unable to get in touch with Katie who always ducked out of interviews.
When no big media outlet ran with the story or paid for the rights to the video interview, they withdrew the case again - there's no proof it was because some MAGA people were able to compromise the court system, figure out her real identity and threaten her into silence.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/unsubstantiated-trump-child-rape-allegations-202100951.html


https://youtu.be/gnib-OORRRo

[Lakers Legend#32]

MAGA response:

Yes it's better to have a white male pedophile in the White House than a black woman.

[Patrick Chewing]

When Off the Court is proven wrong, will he change his username again?

[Lakers Legend#32]

MAGAS stormed the Capitol for a pedophile.

[TeflonDonTrump]

These files need to be released, whether trump is on the list or not.

[TeflonDonTrump]

We have a woman from years ago claiming Trump raped her with Epstein.

We also have Trump recently found guilty of raping a woman in civil court.

And now we have Musk saying Trump is on the list. We can also see Trump and Epstein were besties. Trump and Epstein were like the Batman and Robin of raping girls.



1 + 1 = 2

WAKE UP

How are you guilty in civil court?

[j3lademaster]

When Biden was in office: "The Epstein files are under direct control of the FBI, they can release it at any time"

Now that Trump's in office: "Well, it's not that simple we have to get clearance and there's all this red tape, and.... Why the hell are you all still talking about this anyway?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mn170oYILo

We really just traded the swamp for a much dirtier swamp.

[Off the Court]

How are you guilty in civil court?

A jury found him guilty of sexual abuse, and he was forced to pay out $5m.

[highwhey]

When Biden was in office: "The Epstein files are under direct control of the FBI, they can release it at any time"

Now that Trump's in office: "Well, it's not that simple we have to get clearance and there's all this red tape, and.... Why the hell are you all still talking about this anyway?"


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8mn170oYILo

We really just traded the swamp for a much dirtier swamp.
patel is also dating a jewish ngo - in other words, he has a mossad handler

[ArbitraryWater]

your arguments are always lazy and are anchored around very little substance.

general rule of thumb, if your only evidence is something that can be easily refuted by the reverse theoretical scenario, it's garbage.

Your Trump derangement syndrom is on your period right now and making you increasingly emotional.

You becoming personal now is a result of that.

I feel like people with high blood sugar are more easily prone to this.

[Baller234]

A jury found him guilty of sexual abuse, and he was forced to pay out $5m.

Translation:

A deranged crazy woman (by all means feel free to look her up) claimed something that is impossible to prove but "won" in civil court because Trump was the target of a political witch hunt.

I strongly urge you to do 5 minutes of research on this woman and then tell me if you think she's got it all upstairs.

[RRR3]

DA JOOZ!!!!!
You are obese.

[Baller234]

We have a woman from years ago claiming Trump raped her with Epstein.

We also have Trump recently found guilty of raping a woman in civil court.

And now we have Musk saying Trump is on the list. We can also see Trump and Epstein were besties. Trump and Epstein were like the Batman and Robin of raping girls.



1 + 1 = 2

WAKE UP

Right, just as I said.

The deep state that was funding Trump's oppoisition, along with the intelligence agencies, had Trump dead to rights on an underage rape charge where he allegedly tied a young girl to the bed... and no other people were involved outside of him and Epstein. No one else to take the fall.

And they just decided "Nah, lets charge him on paying off Stormy Daniels instead..."

:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[j3lademaster]

patel is also dating a jewish ngo - in other words, he has a mossad handler

His girl is fine as hell. I still love when he paraphrased "why date an ugly ass indian american girl (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/us-news-why-date-an-unattractive-indian-american-kash-patels-girlfriend-smeared-into-jeffrey-epstein-conspiracy/articleshow/122367107.cms?from=mdr)". Usa Vance catches so many strays these days.

[highwhey]

You are obese.

so once again, you turn a blind eye to the overwhelming amount of connections between your jewish brethen and the american goverment.

fyi, patel's gf served for the IDF's military intelligence unit. total coincidence though. i'm sure her country music career is not a cover.

[highwhey]

His girl is fine as hell. I still love when he paraphrased "why date an ugly ass indian american girl (https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/us-news-why-date-an-unattractive-indian-american-kash-patels-girlfriend-smeared-into-jeffrey-epstein-conspiracy/articleshow/122367107.cms?from=mdr)". Usa Vance catches so many strays these days.

:roll:

[Off the Court]

Some of MAGA wants us to believe that Trump spent over a decade running around and socializing with Epstein and never engaged in any of the *fun*. And the women who have come forward saying otherwise are all lying. And that he is currently keep a lid on the files because he is guarding someone else. Even though his good buddy Musk who claims he got Trump elected says otherwise.


GET OUT OF THE CULT. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST PERSON DYING ON THIS HILL OF EMBARRASSMENT.

[RRR3]

Some of MAGA wants us to believe that Trump spent over a decade running around and socializing with Epstein and never engaged in any of the *fun*. And the women who have come forward saying otherwise are all lying. And that he is currently keep a lid on the files because he is guarding someone else. Even though his good buddy Musk who claims he got Trump elected says otherwise.


GET OUT OF THE CULT. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST PERSON DYING ON THIS HILL OF EMBARRASSMENT.
Methy will 100% respond to this angrily

[Baller234]

Some of MAGA wants us to believe that Trump spent over a decade running around and socializing with Epstein and never engaged in any of the *fun*. And the women who have come forward saying otherwise are all lying. And that he is currently keep a lid on the files because he is guarding someone else. Even though his good buddy Musk who claims he got Trump elected says otherwise.


GET OUT OF THE CULT. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST PERSON DYING ON THIS HILL OF EMBARRASSMENT.

Quite the opposite. I've already said him being involved in the "fun" is a possibility. I don't believe it, I don't WANT to believe it, but it's still a possibility. But there are other possibilities too.

I still maintain that if he was involved he did the absolute worst possible job of keeping it under wraps. His people campaigned on the Epstein stuff and he never put a lid on it. He encouraged it and enabled it. So I say why throw gas on the fire if you're involved. You might say "to make it less obvious"... but again Trump could have threw water on this thing a million different ways.

It's all very weird, and you're perfectly within your rights to believe whatever you want to believe, but I just don't think Trump is that stupid.

[ArbitraryWater]

Some of MAGA wants us to believe that Trump spent over a decade running around and socializing with Epstein and never engaged in any of the *fun*. And the women who have come forward saying otherwise are all lying. And that he is currently keep a lid on the files because he is guarding someone else. Even though his good buddy Musk who claims he got Trump elected says otherwise.


GET OUT OF THE CULT. YOU DON'T WANT TO BE THE LAST PERSON DYING ON THIS HILL OF EMBARRASSMENT.


Obv they ****ed some girls at parties.

As does every billionaire in NY/Hollywood/etc.

Thats a far cry from being on Epstein Island with trafficked and possibly underage girls :lol


****ing hilarious to see libs all of a sudden care about Epstein. You dunzos never ever brought up Epstein :oldlol: You didnt give a shit about how deviant all of your political leaders are.

Trump really scored a huge own goal with that weird "youre still talking about Epstein" thing.


But to anyone with a brain its clear that hes doing this to cover up for other interests, most notably Israel. Not because he was some huge Epstein island visitor. Hes never even mentioned by anyone.

[Baller234]

Obv they ****ed some girls at parties.

As does every billionaire in NY/Hollywood/etc.

Thats a far cry from being on Epstein Island with trafficked and possibly underage girls :lol


****ing hilarious to see libs all of a sudden care about Epstein. You dunzos never ever brought up Epstein :oldlol: You didnt give a shit about how deviant all of your political leaders are.

Trump really scored a huge own goal with that weird "youre still talking about Epstein" thing.


But to anyone with a brain its clear that hes doing this to cover up for other interests, most notably Israel. Not because he was some huge Epstein island visitor. Hes never even mentioned by anyone.

For all we know Trump himself is being blackmailed. Not on kiddie pedo stuff but on bribery schemes and whatnot.

There could be people on that list who have the power to take down the whole ship. "Release the list and I'll tell all..." The domino effect from making this info public could have a huge catastrophic effect that maybe Trump didn't anticipate. I'm not saying that totally justifies keeping it secret, but it's something to consider.

OR... and this is a big or... maybe he was telling the truth when he said he didn't want innocent people getting caught up in the mix because their names might appear in the files or the flight logs but weren't technically involved in the other stuff. I'll just use Tom Hanks as a random example. Let's say Tom Hanks went to the island but there's no proof or evidence that he did anything wrong, his reputation is still finished and his life is over. Maybe Trump has friends on the list and doesn't want them being caught up. Maybe HE'S on the list and doesn't want himself being caught up.

But yea, it's pretty sick how the left is so ready and willing to investigate Epstein all of a sudden.

[TeflonDonTrump]

A jury found him guilty of sexual abuse, and he was forced to pay out $5m.

Do you know the difference?

[j3lademaster]

What do you dummies mean no one cared about the Epstein list until now?

The most common sentiment in here by non Trumpers was to release the list, and whoever is on it be it Biden, Clinton, Trump whoever; they should get punished. There’s not much more to be said than that.

Now, Trump ran on releasing the list. He won, and his appointed FBI director has full access to the list and can release it at any time. This isn’t a debate, this is according to FBI director Patel himself. So now it’s just another case of holding him to his word, for which I don’t expect much from his word means **** all at this point, but as the people we can’t just let him keep squirming his way out of accountability.

[RRR3]

What do you dummies mean no one cared about the Epstein list until now?

The most common sentiment in here by non Trumpers was to release the list, and whoever is on it be it Biden, Clinton, Trump whoever; they should get punished. There’s not much more to be said than that.

Now, Trump ran on releasing the list. He won, and his appointed FBI director has full access to the list and can release it at any time. This isn’t a debate, this is according to FBI director Patel himself. So now it’s just another case of holding him to his word, for which I don’t expect much from his word means **** all at this point, but as the people we can’t just let him keep squirming his way out of accountability.
But have you considered these people are desperately in love with Trump? They will never hold him accountable, that would be admitting error on their parts or admitting he isn't a perfect golden god. Their entire worldview would crumble.

[j3lademaster]

But have you considered these people are desperately in love with Trump? They will never hold him accountable, that would be admitting error on their parts or admitting he isn't a perfect golden god. Their entire worldview would crumble.

Are you taking the over or under that it's just 70% projection (https://www.yahoo.com/news/osbi-jackson-co-man-arrested-151930735.html?guccounter=1&guce_referrer=aHR0cHM6Ly93d3cuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbS8&guce_referrer_sig=AQAAAKEkUJfSBzcVTEPbwc8WFfmVPTKn OMjCQwQcWd4SfI60GAofFDrN2AbUI9ZzVhPkSqhiOeYrBvMkhQ uDwIc4m-z2saPS6eAdZDiVj-UB95xqIcGlTID_Ou4cTOZxw0_BZM4DtVdECfL2Um_hJp3dRznf ceswJd2OFTPqw43Fvq3k) at this point?

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQAHBk3c3aA3X_IjuHndj56S8BU1K3fH bbZ2Q&s

What's even more disturbing is that his social media showed him to be incredibly racist against black people and the boy he abducted and abused was an african american boy. Do they hate blacks because they hate how much they can't help themselves from fetishizing them?

[Baller234]

What do you dummies mean no one cared about the Epstein list until now?

The most common sentiment in here by non Trumpers was to release the list, and whoever is on it be it Biden, Clinton, Trump whoever; they should get punished. There’s not much more to be said than that.

Now, Trump ran on releasing the list. He won, and his appointed FBI director has full access to the list and can release it at any time. This isn’t a debate, this is according to FBI director Patel himself. So now it’s just another case of holding him to his word, for which I don’t expect much from his word means **** all at this point, but as the people we can’t just let him keep squirming his way out of accountability.

"Hey Siri can you tell me how many times Joe Biden or Kamala Harris was asked a question about Jeffrey Epstein?..."

[TheMan]

For all we know Trump himself is being blackmailed. Not on kiddie pedo stuff but on bribery schemes and whatnot.

There could be people on that list who have the power to take down the whole ship. "Release the list and I'll tell all..." The domino effect from making this info public could have a huge catastrophic effect that maybe Trump didn't anticipate. I'm not saying that totally justifies keeping it secret, but it's something to consider.

OR... and this is a big or... maybe he was telling the truth when he said he didn't want innocent people getting caught up in the mix because their names might appear in the files or the flight logs but weren't technically involved in the other stuff. I'll just use Tom Hanks as a random example. Let's say Tom Hanks went to the island but there's no proof or evidence that he did anything wrong, his reputation is still finished and his life is over. Maybe Trump has friends on the list and doesn't want them being caught up. Maybe HE'S on the list and doesn't want himself being caught up.

But yea, it's pretty sick how the left is so ready and willing to investigate Epstein all of a sudden.

Cope

Usually the most obvious and simplest option is the answer. Personally, I don't think Trump was banging 8 year olds but he definitely banged underage teens and trafficked women against their will. Your boy is a sexual predator, if you're good with that, that's on you and speaks levels about your moral code but you seem to have little of that since you can't even call what's happening in Gaza a genocide. Trump already lost the 2028 GE to the Democrats with this blatant cover up. Hopefully it's a far left Democrat that will imprison Trump, Clinton, Gates and the rest of these elite sexual predators.

[Baller234]

Cope

Usually the most obvious and simplest option is the answer. Personally, I don't think Trump was banging 8 year olds but he definitely banged underage teens and trafficked women against their will. Your boy is a sexual predator, if you're good with that, that's on you and speaks levels about your moral code but you seem to have little of that since you can't even call what's happening in Gaza a genocide. Trump already lost the 2028 GE to the Democrats with this blatant cover up. Hopefully it's a far left Democrat that will imprison Trump, Clinton, Gates and the rest of these elite sexual predators.

"Hey Siri can you tell me how many times TheMan ever demanded that Joe Biden or Kamala Harris unseal the contents of the Jeffrey Epstein files?..."

[TheMan]

"Hey Siri can you tell me how many times TheMan ever demanded that Joe Biden or Kamala Harris unseal the contents of the Jeffrey Epstein files?..."

They didn't run on revealing the files? Trump did, I hold no love for Biden/Harris and Harris most likely wouldn't have released the files BUT Trump promised he would and it would have been a great thing if he did and I definitely would have given him props but I knew he wouldn't because he's deep in that list. He lied, you fell for it and are now doing mental gymnastics coping hard. We all have been lied too, I can admit that...can you?

Stop making excuses, you're embarrassing yourself

[Bill Gates]

"Hey Siri can you tell me how many times TheMan ever demanded that Joe Biden or Kamala Harris unseal the contents of the Jeffrey Epstein files?..."

Did Joe Biden or Kamala Harris hype TheMan up by telling him that the Epstein files were on his desk and would all be released in phases?

[Bill Gates]

Is this what we are to expect when Trump fails with JFK as well? "How come you didn't demand the JFK files when Biden was in office"?

Because Biden didn't promise them to us.

[Baller234]

They didn't run on revealing the files? Trump did, I hold no love for Biden/Harris and Harris most likely wouldn't have released the files BUT Trump promised he would and it would have been a great thing if he did and I definitely would have given him props but I knew he wouldn't because he's deep in that list. He lied, you fell for it and are now doing mental gymnastics coping hard. We all have been lied too, I can admit that...can you?

Stop making excuses, you're embarrassing yourself

Thanks for proving my point dipshit.

Epstein died in 2019. The rumors and speculation have been going on the entire time. You knew there was the possibility that Epstein was running an underage trafficking operation involving all sorts of high profile people but you willingly ignored it for 6 years. You're only pretending to care about it now because you suspect that Trump could be involved.

You want us to believe you're this morally principled person who just wants to see the bad guys get punished, but you were silent as a mouse for 6 years and never demanded once that anyone investigate further. That is how Biden and Harris managed to go their entire term without ever having to talk about it, because none of you cared enough to make it a point of contention. Probably because at the time you suspected it would be bad for team blue.

So yea, you're in no position to talk. You ran cover for rapists (and maybe pedophiles) because you thought they were democrats.

[diamenz]

so i wonder what will ultimately come of all of this. the pushback from maga is unprecedented and trump has to be feeling that pressure. unless his advisors are treating him like a mushroom and keeping him in the dark feeding him bullshit.

i feel like something's got to ultimately give. i think something will be released but it will be of course be inconsequential. some redacted, cut up crap. so will it all just blow over when the media moves on and everyone burns out on social media, forums, etc?

[Bill Gates]

Does the FBI have Epstein’s secret photos of Donald Trump?
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/does-the-fbi-have-epsteins-secret-photos-of-donald-trump/articleshow/121837459.cms?from=mdr


Veteran journalist and author Michael Wolff has claimed that Jeffrey Epstein once showed him Polaroid photos of Donald Trump with topless young girls—and that the FBI may now have those images in its possession.

Speaking on The Court of History podcast with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz, Wolff recalled an encounter with Epstein shortly after Trump’s 2016 election victory. According to Wolff, Epstein went to his safe and pulled out a stack of Polaroids featuring Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion.

“They were kind of spread out like playing cards,” Wolff said. “And it was Trump—with girls of uncertain age.”

Wolff said he vividly remembered three of the photographs: “In two of them, topless girls are sitting on Trump’s lap. In another, he has a visible stain on his pants while several girls are laughing and pointing at it.”

[Baller234]

so i wonder what will ultimately come of all of this. the pushback from maga is unprecedented and trump has to be feeling that pressure. unless his advisors are treating him like a mushroom and keeping him in the dark feeding him bullshit.

i feel like something's got to ultimately give. i think something will be released but it will be of course be inconsequential. some redacted, cut up crap. so will it all just blow over when the media moves on and everyone burns out on social media, forums, etc?

Every time Trump looks like he might be down and out, he manages to turn it into a W.

Whether it's the tariffs, the stock market, the spending bill, the war in the middle east... everytime it looks like he might take an L, he turns it into a W before long.

So if the trend holds, then in about a month's time no one will be talking about this and Trump will be riding high somehow.

[Patrick Chewing]

Does the FBI have Epstein’s secret photos of Donald Trump?
https://economictimes.indiatimes.com/news/international/global-trends/does-the-fbi-have-epsteins-secret-photos-of-donald-trump/articleshow/121837459.cms?from=mdr


Veteran journalist and author Michael Wolff has claimed that Jeffrey Epstein once showed him Polaroid photos of Donald Trump with topless young girls—and that the FBI may now have those images in its possession.

Speaking on The Court of History podcast with Sidney Blumenthal and Sean Wilentz, Wolff recalled an encounter with Epstein shortly after Trump’s 2016 election victory. According to Wolff, Epstein went to his safe and pulled out a stack of Polaroids featuring Trump at Epstein’s Palm Beach mansion.

“They were kind of spread out like playing cards,” Wolff said. “And it was Trump—with girls of uncertain age.”

Wolff said he vividly remembered three of the photographs: “In two of them, topless girls are sitting on Trump’s lap. In another, he has a visible stain on his pants while several girls are laughing and pointing at it.”


More fake news nonsense.

[TheMan]

Thanks for proving my point dipshit.

Epstein died in 2019. The rumors and speculation have been going on the entire time. You knew there was the possibility that Epstein was running an underage trafficking operation involving all sorts of high profile people but you willingly ignored it for 6 years. You're only pretending to care about it now because you suspect that Trump could be involved.

You want us to believe you're this morally principled person who just wants to see the bad guys get punished, but you were silent as a mouse for 6 years and never demanded once that anyone investigate further. That is how Biden and Harris managed to go their entire term without ever having to talk about it, because none of you cared enough to make it a point of contention. Probably because at the time you suspected it would be bad for team blue.

So yea, you're in no position to talk. You ran cover for rapists (and maybe pedophiles) because you thought they were democrats.

Huh, I've been here saying the list of clients should be released lol if Ds or Rs or whomever are in it, then they should face the consequences, we already know going in Bill Clinton is a depraved individual, that's a given lol I'm not a partisan hack like you that would protect my team in a heinous crime like pedo/sex trafficking...if they're all Democrats, arrest them all!

Having said that, this case, as horrible as it is, isn't something that keeps me awake at night, as most Americans, I have more pressing needs BUT if a candidate promises that they will go after the Deep State and will release the files exposing all the degenerate elites sexually abusing young women and he reneges on that promise and gaslights the nation, then of course we have reason to get pissed off. Obviously you won't because you're a MAGA useful idiot and you'll fall in line.

I don't recall you here back when Epstein was killed but I was vocal in demanding the truth come out...you have to be an absolute moron to believe Epstein killed himself, Trump had him killed, I said that back in 2019. What more do you expect me to do?

[TheMan]

Every time Trump looks like he might be down and out, he manages to turn it into a W.

Whether it's the tariffs, the stock market, the spending bill, the war in the middle east... everytime it looks like he might take an L, he turns it into a W before long.

So if the trend holds, then in about a month's time no one will be talking about this and Trump will be riding high somehow.

Cope

His poll numbers are shit, even on immigration, 35% pro and 62% against. Unsurprisingly, most Americans aren't down with using Gestapo tactics to deport grandma...

:roll:

He ended his first term in the high 30s, he'll be even less popular this time. Whomever the idiot Dems nominate will easily win due to Trump disgust

[Baller234]

Huh, I've been here saying the list of clients should be released lol if Ds or Rs or whomever are in it, then they should face the consequences, we already know going in Bill Clinton is a depraved individual, that's a given lol I'm not a partisan hack like you that would protect my team in a heinous crime like pedo/sex trafficking...if they're all Democrats, arrest them all!

Having said that, this case, as horrible as it is, isn't something that keeps me awake at night, as most Americans, I have more pressing needs BUT if a candidate promises that they will go after the Deep State and will release the files exposing all the degenerate elites sexually abusing young women and he reneges on that promise and gaslights the nation, then of course we have reason to get pissed off. Obviously you won't because you're a MAGA useful idiot and you'll fall in line.

I don't recall you here back when Epstein was killed but I was vocal in demanding the truth come out...you have to be an absolute moron to believe Epstein killed himself, Trump had him killed, I said that back in 2019. What more do you expect me to do?

"Hey Siri, can you find me any posts from 2020-2024 where TheMan was demanding for the Epstein files to be unsealed?"

[TheMan]

"Hey Siri, can you find me any posts from 2020-2024 where TheMan was demanding for the Epstein files to be unsealed?"

Lame

Is that really all you got?

Hold this L ******

[j3lademaster]

Trump is definitely a creepy pedophile. This isn’t my opinion, he actually admitted it as a flex on Howard Stern.

https://media-proxy.snopes.com/width/600?url=https://media.snopes.com/2024/07/trump_pageant_4.png

Abusing his power to creep on young teens is a cold hard fact. Let’s be real, if your house is on the line none of you will bet that Trump didn’t sleep with underage, sex traffic victims on Epstein’s island.

Well, off I go for my morning ruck. Ciao.

[Off the Court]

House Republicans just voted against releasing the Epstein files

https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1945076877686698224

wtf is going on here?

Don't they want to know if their own leader is on there?

[BurningHammer]

House Republicans just voted against releasing the Epstein files

https://x.com/krassenstein/status/1945076877686698224

wtf is going on here?

Don't they want to know if their own leader is on there?

GOP works like mafia. They have signed blood contracts.

[Off the Court]

That SHOULD squash any of the tribal crap. Although it won't. The Democrats just tried to FORCE the release of the Epstein files to the public, but the Republicans shot it down.

I don't want to hear any more "why didn't the Democrats release them?". They literally just tried to force the release of them through Congress.



Can one of the MAGA posters here please twist this into being Biden and the Dems fault for me? Because I need a good laugh.

[Hey Yo]

That SHOULD squash any of the tribal crap. Although it won't. The Democrats just tried to FORCE the release of the Epstein files to the public, but the Republicans shot it down.

I don't want to hear any more "why didn't the Democrats release them?". They literally just tried to force the release of them through Congress.



Can one of the MAGA posters here please twist this into being Biden and the Dems fault for me? Because I need a good laugh.

Did they try to force Biden to release them?

If you want a good laugh just look down your pants, chico.

[Off the Court]

Did they try to force Biden to release them?

If you want a good laugh just look down your pants, chico.

The Democrats are not trying to force Trump or Biden to release the files. They are trying to force the FBI to release them.

Don't you want them released?

[Baller234]

Did Joe Biden or Kamala Harris hype TheMan up by telling him that the Epstein files were on his desk and would all be released in phases?

Oh so because you guys weren't "promised" anything from the democrats, you simply didn't care? That's really interesting. As usual thanks for me proving me correct.

A child trafficking ring involving high profile politicians was going on, and you knew about it, but you simply didn't care. There was nothing to gain politically so you swept it under the rug and acted like it was no big deal.

You guys were perfectly willing to look the other way on all this debauchery because you thought it would implicate democrats, but now that you suspect Orange Face could possibly be involved... now all of a sudden unsealing the files is a top priority. Meanwhile I could probably count on one hand the amount of times the word "Epstein" was said out loud on CNN & MSNBC during Brandon's entire administration.

Brandon and the democrats completely skated accountability on this and you guys said nothing.

[Baller234]

That SHOULD squash any of the tribal crap. Although it won't. The Democrats just tried to FORCE the release of the Epstein files to the public, but the Republicans shot it down.

I don't want to hear any more "why didn't the Democrats release them?". They literally just tried to force the release of them through Congress.



Can one of the MAGA posters here please twist this into being Biden and the Dems fault for me? Because I need a good laugh.

Okay well since you asked for it, why didn't the democrats demand the files be unsealed when Biden was president? They controlled the presidency, the senate and the house. They could have done so unopposed.

Why did they wait until now?

[Baller234]

"I know that high profile politicians were engaging with underage children, but the democrats swept it under the rug and didn't pay it any mind so I didn't care..."


^ These sickos are saying this proudly as if it absolves them of guilt.

[Off the Court]

Okay well since you asked for it, why didn't the democrats demand the files be unsealed when Biden was president? They controlled the presidency, the senate and the house. They could have done so unopposed.

Why did they wait until now?
Probably because they didn't realize Trump was in them until now. But who cares? The important thing is that they get released right?

The question now is, why aren't you guys demanding it NOW??????

Don't you want them released?

[Off the Court]

"I know that high profile politicians were engaging with underage children, but the democrats swept it under the rug and didn't pay it any mind so I didn't care..."


^ These sickos are saying this proudly as if it absolves them of guilt.

The Dems are literally trying to force the release of the files right now, and the Republicans blocked it. :oldlol:

[Baller234]

I only care about punishing pedophiles if I suspect Trump is implicated somehow, otherwise I don't really care

We know.

[Off the Court]

I know that Trump is a pedophile. I pray they don't release the files and expose him.

We know.

[Baller234]

The Dems are literally trying to force the release of the files right now, and the Republicans blocked it. :oldlol:

Yes genius, we're aware. The republicans (and Trump) are sweeping it under the rug just as Biden and democrats did for years.

But you're seeing in real time the negative pushback that Trump is getting, even from his own base. It's the total opposite of what occurred under Biden, where his followers and supporters played dumb for 4 years and ran defense.

From the outside looking in, it's clear that Trump has more people in his base willing to stick their neck out and demand justice regardless who is in office. You keep saying "we need to end the tribal shit" but you already proved that you were willing to run cover for these sickos.

[Baller234]

We know.

Quite the opposite. I already told you I want the files unsealed. You even responded to the post and acknowledged it. I think anyone who is involved with that kind of stuff should be punished, even if it's Trump. I have no problem standing on that.

We're not the same.

[Off the Court]

Quite the opposite. I already told you I want the files unsealed. You even responded to the post and acknowledged it. I think anyone who is involved with that kind of stuff should be punished, even if it's Trump. I have no problem standing on that.

We're not the same.

And your thoughts on the GOP blocking the release?

[Baller234]

And your thoughts on the GOP blocking the release?

I think Trump already signaled that it's a no-go so they're falling in line. I also think the democrats knew full well that nothing was going to come of it so they wisely put this out there to make it look like they care.

But we know they don't care. If they cared they would have done this years ago. As usual it's nothing but theater. All sides are guilty and are just trying to come out ahead in the optics war at this point.

[Off the Court]

They care NOW that it is obvious Trump is listed

[Baller234]

They care NOW that it is obvious Trump is listed

Right, that's what I've been saying. You guys care about the files NOW because you suspect Trump is involved.

But for years you guys made it clear you didn't care at all about the files.

Why didn't you care?

[Off the Court]

I think what has happened is that they know full well that Bill Clinton is all over the files. And previously they were not willing to sacrifice him.

But now? Now that Hillary and Kamala lost and there is no longer reason to protect Bill? Now that it is very obvious Trump is also all over the files? NOW they demand the release.

[Off the Court]

Right, that's what I've been saying. You guys care about the files NOW because you suspect Trump is involved.

But for years you guys made it clear you didn't care at all about the files.

Why didn't you care?
Guy Epstein has come up repeatedly over the last decade. All over social media. Your notion that everyone has been silent until now is not only BS, but it also doesn't matter.

[Baller234]

I think what has happened is that they know full well that Bill Clinton is all over the files. And previously they were not willing to sacrifice him.

But now? Now that Hillary and Kamala lost and there is no longer reason to protect Bill? Now that it is very obvious Trump is also all over the files? NOW they demand the release.

Okay well if that's true then congratulations you're all sick and you're in no position to lecture anyone on anything.

You're not operating on any type of principle here. You guys were perfectly willing to sweep this under the rug because you thought it might hurt you politically.

I appreciate you admitting the truth, but it only confirms everything I've said about you.

[Baller234]

Guy Epstein has come up repeatedly over the last decade. All over social media. Your notion that everyone has been silent until now is not only BS, but it also doesn't matter.

"Hey Siri can you tell me how many times Joe Biden or Kamala Harris were ever confronted on the Jeffrey Epstein files?..."

[TheMan]

Trump just officially gifted congress and the White House to the Democrats.

[Off the Court]

I do wonder if they can revote this issue after midterms when the Dems own all of Congress.

[highwhey]

Trump just officially gifted congress and the White House to the Democrats.

That pendulum swing is going to be epic. Lessss gooo.

[BurningHammer]

That pendulum swing is going to be epic. Lessss gooo.

Unless GOP finds actually working ways to rig elections, of course.

[Baller234]

That pendulum swing is going to be epic. Lessss gooo.

I'm already trying to decide what my pronouns are going to be.

[diamenz]

The Democrats just tried to FORCE the release of the Epstein files to the public, but the Republicans shot it down.




oh yeah there's no politics being played there. Democrats 100% know this is an an impossibility and are just being their usual useless selves. there's just no way you're this stupid.

[Off the Court]

oh yeah there's no politics being played there. Democrats 100% know this is an an impossibility and are just being their usual useless selves. there's just no way you're this stupid.

Of course there are politics being played, it's f@#king congress :oldlol: This is literally politics.

Anyway, the Dems did the right thing to expose those who don't want the release, CORRECT?????

[Off the Court]

If you're lambasting the Dems for forcing a vote to release the files? :roll:

[diamenz]

Of course there are politics being played, it's f@#king congress :oldlol: This is literally politics.

Anyway, the Dems did the right thing to expose those who don't want the release, CORRECT?????

yeah, sure. :rolleyes:

[Off the Court]

yeah, sure. :rolleyes:

:confusedshrug:

yeah sure what? Like they should have left it alone instead?



MAGA: "why don't Dems demand the files though!"

*Dems demand files*

MAGA: : Dems are just being their usual useless selves" You can't be this stupid"

:facepalm

[Off the Court]

You can't point at the Republicans who voted against? :oldlol:

Somehow it's always the Dems

What a joke

[diamenz]

You can't point at the Republicans who voted against? :oldlol:

Somehow it's always the Dems

What a joke

this is a uniparty issue.you daft *uck. nevertheless they've got morons like you jumping from one foot to next following this circus show.

[highwhey]

If you're lambasting the Dems for forcing a vote to release the files? :roll:

:oldlol: unbelievable

[Baller234]

You can't point at the Republicans who voted against? :oldlol:

Somehow it's always the Dems

What a joke

There's nothing to "point out". It's obvious that Trump and the republicans are trying to cover this up. We're aware of it, we acknowledge it and we aren't happy about it. As you're seeing. It's also extremely disappointing given what Trump's people campaigned on.

I think anything is possible. I do think it's possible Trump could be mixed in. I also think it could be political. If the files are never unsealed and the names aren't released it will be disappointing sure but it doesn't mean I'm prepared to abandon the MAGA agenda and start picking my pronouns. I know there are people within Trump's campaign who made a huge deal over the Epstein information, and yes I was excited about it, but it wasn't as important as the the economy, the border and combating wokism. And even though it's impossible for me to prove, my gut tells me Trump himself wasn't involved. His behavior and his actions leading up to this would have have been too strange. It doesn't line up. I don't think he ever would have intentionally backed himself into a corner like this.

No one our side is trying to shift blame or deflect from accountability. We acknowledge that it's f'd up and we acknowledge that something is wrong. We just don't want people like you to lecture us when this entire time you were whistling dixie and were running defense for the coverup yourselves.

[highwhey]

There's nothing to "point out". It's obvious that Trump and the republicans are trying to cover this up. We're aware of it, we acknowledge it and we aren't happy about it. As you're seeing. It's also extremely disappointing given what Trump's people campaigned on.

I think anything is possible. I do think it's possible Trump could be mixed in. I also think it could be political. If the files are never unsealed and the names aren't released it will be disappointing sure but it doesn't mean I'm prepared to abandon the MAGA agenda and start picking my pronouns. I know there are people within Trump's campaign who made a huge deal over the Epstein information, and yes I was excited about it, but it wasn't as important as the the economy, the border and combating wokism. And even though it's impossible for me to prove, my gut tells me Trump himself wasn't involved. His behavior and his actions leading up to this would have have been too strange. It doesn't line up. I don't think he ever would have intentionally backed himself into a corner like this.

No one our side is trying to shift blame or deflect from accountability. We acknowledge that it's f'd up and we acknowledge that something is wrong. We just don't want people like you to lecture us when this entire time you were whistling dixie and were running defense for the coverup yourselves.
https://media1.tenor.com/m/dUTl55LIocYAAAAd/atg-studiocapa.gif

[Bill Gates]

Ghislaine Maxwell ‘told reporter that Epstein had tapes of Trump and Clinton’

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/epstein-ghislaine-maxwell-tapes-trump-clinton-b1805601.html

Ghislaine Maxwell reportedly told a journalist that Jeffrey Epstein recorded tapes of former presidents Donald Trump and Bill Clinton, who were former acquaintances of the disgraced sex offender.

Ms Maxwell, who awaits trial on charges she assisted Epstein’s crimes in the 1990s, reportedly told a CBS “60 minutes” producer that she would not release tapes of Mr Trump without those of Mr Clinton before the 2016 presidential election.

The apparent revelations were made by Ira Rosen, an ex-producer for the CBS show, who released a memoir called “Ticking Clock: Behind the Scenes at 60 Minutes,” which reveals details about his time on the award-winning programme.

[Lakers Legend#32]

The Epstein Files are becoming a major scandal for the Trump administration.

Even the MAGAS are turning on him.

Trump needs a major distraction.

Look for another staged assassination attempt soon.

[highwhey]

The Epstein Files are becoming a major scandal for the Trump administration.

Even the MAGAS are turning on him.

Trump needs a major distraction.

Look for another staged assassination attempt soon.

probably more ICE raids, easiest target for him to swing at

[TheMan]

probably more ICE raids, easiest target for him to swing at

His approval ratings on immigration have taken a huge hit too, it's underwater, by a lot, Americans aren't down with ICE using Gestapo tactics apparently.

[Off the Court]

Maybe if he suddenly discovers a huge cartel gathering a face-tatted killers here in the US somewhere near a white neighborhood.

Then it will be "Oh thank Jesus he saved us! Thank you Trump! Go bang a child now we don't care!"

[Baller234]

Maybe if he suddenly discovers a huge cartel gathering a face-tatted killers here in the US somewhere near a white neighborhood.

Then it will be "Oh thank Jesus he saved us! Thank you Trump! Go bang a child now we don't care!"

You just admitted that this was your feeling on the matter when Biden was president. You admitted that you were willing to overlook Bill Clinton possibly banging children if it meant defeating Trump in the election and not causing a stir.

The more you post, the more you keep telling on yourself.

[Baller234]

His approval ratings on immigration have taken a huge hit too, it's underwater, by a lot, Americans aren't down with ICE using Gestapo tactics apparently.

"I don't think Trump is going to be the nominee. I think MAGA is going to vote for Nikki Haley this time..."

"Trump isn't going to run again because he's going to jail..."

"The stock market is never going to recover..."

"Israel is going to nuke Iran off the map and start WW3..."

[Hey Yo]

"I don't think Trump is going to be the nominee. I think MAGA is going to vote for Nikki Haley this time..."

"Trump isn't going to run again because he's going to jail..."

"The stock market is never going to recover..."

"Israel is going to nuke Iran off the map and start WW3..."

"Trump has no chance of winning Michigan"

[ArbitraryWater]

What do you dummies mean no one cared about the Epstein list until now?

The most common sentiment in here by non Trumpers was to release the list, and whoever is on it be it Biden, Clinton, Trump whoever; they should get punished. There’s not much more to be said than that.

Now, Trump ran on releasing the list. He won, and his appointed FBI director has full access to the list and can release it at any time. This isn’t a debate, this is according to FBI director Patel himself. So now it’s just another case of holding him to his word, for which I don’t expect much from his word means **** all at this point, but as the people we can’t just let him keep squirming his way out of accountability.


The Epstein thing was entirely a thing republican politicians tried to get to the bottom of.

No liberals or Democrats (citizens) ever asked about the list. Dont be delusional.

They believe the "offical version", remember? That it was suicide.

The rest is a "conspiracy" and only "right wing nutjobs" believe in that.

****ing Sound of Freedom, a movie about child trafficking, was despised by liberal media.

It was "right wing q-anon conspiracy talk".

Thats your filthy side.


Now they try to jump on this thing cause Trump is scoring own goals.


You people are so intellectually dishonest.

[j3lademaster]

The Epstein thing was entirely a thing republican politicians tried to get to the bottom of.

No liberals or Democrats (citizens) ever asked about the list. Dont be delusional.

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but everyone I've spoken with in real life thought the Epstein list should be released and whoever is on it should be punished accordingly. The dems never promised to release it and Trump RAN on releasing it. Patel even stated himself during Biden's term that the director of the FBI has full access to it and can release it at any time, only to go back on his words now that he's the director of the FBI.


They believe the "offical version", remember? That it was suicide.

I don't ****ing know what every individual believes, but I posted when the Epstein suicide was fresh that both sides have powerful lobbyists who don't want what Epstein knows out in the open so no one is going to release an honestly record of what Epstein knew. I also stated that the republicans will run on releasing the list and make the dems the 'bad guys' for not releasing it, knowing full well neither of them can. I was right. I


The rest is a "conspiracy" and only "right wing nutjobs" believe in that.

No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me. No, when the Panama Papers were exposed and they got away with it they no longer cared about hiding. Everyone knows the Cayman islands and Swiss banking system have lax'd laws that help the super rich shelter money, and yet we never even tried to pass any laws to combat that. CME owns almost a third of the Dow jones and with their joint venture partners own the majority of that market and can manipulate it as they see fit. These aren't conspiracies they're out in the open, but no one seems to care you even see people actively defend the big beautiful bill.


****ing Sound of Freedom, a movie about child trafficking, was despised by liberal media.

It was "right wing q-anon conspiracy talk".

Thats your filthy side.

Doing a quick lookup of what made the movie controversial: the movie is based on a book written by a man who did not have the receipts to back up the things he claimed he did. He created a nonprofit of sorts and funneled money to himself, that's about it. The backlash is that if it's all bs and made up under the guise that it's 'based on a true story' it can harm actual organizations that have been battling trafficking for years. Apparently organizations actually combating human/child trafficking have had an influx of volunteers grossly misinformed about its basic realities, and in some cases being resistant to education from actual people while deferring to stuff they “learned” from this movie and other instances of either extremely exceptional cases or straight up conspiracy theories.


Now they try to jump on this thing cause Trump is scoring own goals.

Of course the dems try that. It's called politics. Just like when the republicans dared the democrats to release the Epstein list during Biden's term knowing full well neither side can release that. This is your problem. When your side does it "o it's just politics", when the dems do it it's just intellectually dishonest.


Thats your filthy side. You mean actual conservatives? You realize I have actual, real conservative values right? Core values aren't this trickle down abomination Reagan got republicans to believe.

1) I'm against abortion. But I also am against my tax dollars going to children their own mothers didn't even want, I'm just honest about it. I don't pretend to be a high and mighty christian only to pull free school lunches for the needy like red states.

2) I'm pro gun. I own 8 and shoot about twice a month. However, road rage shootings and school shootings are definitely a problem so if guns were banned I would understand; but until that day comes I'll enjoy my toys.

3) I'm pro capitalism.

4) I'm against federal overreach. I think allowing ice to enter homes without warrants has crossed the line many times over, for instance.

[TheMan]

"I don't think Trump is going to be the nominee. I think MAGA is going to vote for Nikki Haley this time..."

"Trump isn't going to run again because he's going to jail..."

"The stock market is never going to recover..."

"Israel is going to nuke Iran off the map and start WW3..."

Trump did lose bigly in 2020, despite the unfounded claims and lack of actual evidence to the contrary...to a candidate who was already in steep mental decline. Your boy will lead the GOP to a catastrophic defeat starting in 2026 and finishing in 2028, worse than GWB in 2008. All the Democrats are doing and not saying a thing and giving Trump enough rope to hang himself.

[highwhey]

I'm not sure where you're getting your information, but everyone I've spoken with in real life thought the Epstein list should be released and whoever is on it should be punished accordingly. The dems never promised to release it and Trump RAN on releasing it. Patel even stated himself during Biden's term that the director of the FBI has full access to it and can release it at any time, only to go back on his words now that he's the director of the FBI.



I don't ****ing know what every individual believes, but I posted when the Epstein suicide was fresh that both sides have powerful lobbyists who don't want what Epstein knows out in the open so no one is going to release an honestly record of what Epstein knew. I also stated that the republicans will run on releasing the list and make the dems the 'bad guys' for not releasing it, knowing full well neither of them can. I was right. I



No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me. No, when the Panama Papers were exposed and they got away with it they no longer cared about hiding. Everyone knows the Cayman islands and Swiss banking system have lax'd laws that help the super rich shelter money, and yet we never even tried to pass any laws to combat that. CME owns almost a third of the Dow jones and with their joint venture partners own the majority of that market and can manipulate it as they see fit. These aren't conspiracies they're out in the open, but no one seems to care you even see people actively defend the big beautiful bill.



Doing a quick lookup of what made the movie controversial: the movie is based on a book written by a man who did not have the receipts to back up the things he claimed he did. He created a nonprofit of sorts and funneled money to himself, that's about it. The backlash is that if it's all bs and made up under the guise that it's 'based on a true story' it can harm actual organizations that have been battling trafficking for years. Apparently organizations actually combating human/child trafficking have had an influx of volunteers grossly misinformed about its basic realities, and in some cases being resistant to education from actual people while deferring to stuff they “learned” from this movie and other instances of either extremely exceptional cases or straight up conspiracy theories.


Of course the dems try that. It's called politics. Just like when the republicans dared the democrats to release the Epstein list during Biden's term knowing full well neither side can release that. This is your problem. When your side does it "o it's just politics", when the dems do it it's just intellectually dishonest.

You mean actual conservatives? You realize I have actual, real conservative values right? Core values aren't this trickle down abomination Reagan got republicans to believe.

1) I'm against abortion. But I also am against my tax dollars going to children their own mothers didn't even want, I'm just honest about it. I don't pretend to be a high and mighty christian only to pull free school lunches for the needy like red states.

2) I'm pro gun. I own 8 and shoot about twice a month. However, road rage shootings and school shootings are definitely a problem so if guns were banned I would understand; but until that day comes I'll enjoy my toys.

3) I'm pro capitalism.

4) I'm against federal overreach. I think allowing ice to enter homes without warrants has crossed the line many times over, for instance.

oof, what an ether.

facts>>>party line politics

[Doomsday Dallas]

No, I said they most likely aren't some secretive shadow organization they're out in the open. Conspiracy theorists try to make everything out to be some illuminati shit that only the fattest and greasiest of QAnon freaks eating Doritos in front of their computers can get to the bottom of. That's funny to me.


I'll say this about the Illuminati (since you brought it up)... the only way you'll ever believe in it's existence is if you believe in the Supernatural.

I've seen some supernatural coincidences that go way beyond what man is capable of orchestrating.... Take the pyramids for example. Do you really believe average men built those? They are literally impossible to build.


So yes, I do believe there are people that engage in secret occult rituals that go beyond our understanding, and I also believe spiritual dark forces tend to operate behind the scenes.

I'll give you an analogy: Man did not write the Bible, The Holy Spirit possessed Man, and that is how the Bible was produced.

If that is true... couldn't there be demonic forces that posses man to produce things that go against our own interests? What if Oppenheimer was possessed for example?




It's hard to debate these conspiracies with non religious types.... because they're always looking at it from a physical man-made perspective... when in reality, it has everything to do with spiritual possession.

What would possess these types of people to rape little children? These people are playing with the occult, and when you do that... usually sick bizarre behavior is the result.



I mean c'mon.... I think the Occult Temple on Epstein Island speaks for itself.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2019/07/09/21/15835678-7229803-image-a-55_1562704972276.jpg

https://c.tenor.com/k5WWbJO6390AAAAd/tenor.gif

[Doomsday Dallas]

From my perspective, it's like trying to convince people that Vampires exist.

Sorry ISH.... but these people are very involved in the Dark Arts.... and Trump is no exception to the rule.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'll also add this fact.... Since I am a level-10 Jedi Master Conspiracy Expert.


There is a conspiracy theory called: "Lifting the Veil" and it's not one I typically subscribe to...

But essentially it's like a Serial Killer who wants to get caught.

I don't think we will ever get the full truth, but if we get something... it's because they wanted to expose an element of this wickedness to the world,

not because "oops we are so sloppy and f*cked up" .... These Occultists don't make mistakes. It's always theater.

In the end... the veil might be lifted to such a degree that we all get a glimpse of the evilness we are dealing with.... but again, it will be done in a half-truth purposeful manner.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5nh45u394E

[tpols]

The Epstein thing was entirely a thing republican politicians tried to get to the bottom of.

No liberals or Democrats (citizens) ever asked about the list. Dont be delusional.

They believe the "offical version", remember? That it was suicide.

The rest is a "conspiracy" and only "right wing nutjobs" believe in that.

****ing Sound of Freedom, a movie about child trafficking, was despised by liberal media.

It was "right wing q-anon conspiracy talk".

Thats your filthy side.


Now they try to jump on this thing cause Trump is scoring own goals.


You people are so intellectually dishonest.


Woah... what the **** do you mean by "you people" ?

[diamenz]

one thing that's important to keep in mind going forward. everyone in washington knows at this point that the files aren't going to be released so... if you're wise you won't get caught up in the bullshit you hear from anyone in congress.

[Off the Court]

one thing that's important to keep in mind going forward. everyone in washington knows at this point that the files aren't going to be released so... if you're wise you won't get caught up in the bullshit you hear from anyone in congress.

I wouldn't be sure about that.

https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1945502464037326863


I think this particular issue is not one that Trump can just brush off and hope goes away. I do not think the people will let it go.

[highwhey]

I wouldn't be sure about that.

https://x.com/RepMTG/status/1945502464037326863


I think this particular issue is not one that Trump can just brush off and hope goes away. I do not think the people will let it go.

they might not let it go, but nothing will come of it. as long as trump is adamant that he will protect his pdf file brethren and himself, he won't ever be forced to show his hand. and even if dems win the next election, they're too spineless to do anything about it.

[Off the Court]

they might not let it go, but nothing will come of it. as long as trump is adamant that he will protect his pdf file brethren and himself, he won't ever be forced to show his hand. and even if dems win the next election, they're too spineless to do anything about it.

I think he may be forced to show his hand with this next vote. It is drawn up by a Republican, and we can see others like MTG support it. What will come of that though? Perhaps nothing.

So if Trump is in fact listed or documented? yeah, the question is THEN WHAT? And maybe you're right. Maybe nothing.

[Off the Court]

Also the Maxwell testimony before Congress is coming. She has said in her past that videos of Trump exist. So we will see what she has to say when asked. Has she been compromised? Very possible. She saw what they did to Epstein, although I am not sure they could do the same to her at this point. Not a soul would buy it. But they could get her down the road, or threaten a family member.

[diamenz]

forgot about maxwell. yeah, she'll be dead soon too. surprised up to this point that she's still breathing.

compromised? pff, i doubt it - she has nothing left to lose.

[Baller234]

Also the Maxwell testimony before Congress is coming. She has said in her past that videos of Trump exist. So we will see what she has to say when asked. Has she been compromised? Very possible. She saw what they did to Epstein, although I am not sure they could do the same to her at this point. Not a soul would buy it. But they could get her down the road, or threaten a family member.

Epstein’s lawyer, David Schoen, publicly stated that Epstein had no damaging information on Donald Trump.

https://x.com/fopminui/status/1931027707384447026

This was in response to Musk's allegations.

Could he be lying? Sure, but it's something to consider. If someone had blackmail on the president of the U.S., I don't know what they would have to gain by making that public.

I said the same thing about the Epstein list. Whoever has that list has leverage over the most powerful people in the world. What good are those people if they are in jail? For all we know that list is the only thing keeping Trump alive.

This is why I say you shouldn't jump to conclusions and automatically engage in your "Trump is a pedo" fantasy.

[Off the Court]

forgot about maxwell. yeah, she'll be dead soon too. surprised up to this point that she's still breathing.

compromised? pff, i doubt it - she has nothing left to lose.

She has 8 siblings.

"Say Trump is innocent or your dear sister dies in an awful house fire"

[Off the Court]

Epstein’s lawyer, David Schoen, publicly stated that Epstein had no damaging information on Donald Trump.

https://x.com/fopminui/status/1931027707384447026

This was in response to Musk's allegations.

Could he be lying? Sure, but it's something to consider. If someone had blackmail on the president of the U.S., I don't know what they would have to gain by making that public.

I said the same thing about the Epstein list. Whoever has that list has leverage over the most powerful people in the world. What good are those people if they are in jail? For all we know that list is the only thing keeping Trump alive.

This is why I say you shouldn't jump to conclusions and automatically engage in your "Trump is a pedo" fantasy.
It wouldn't be "someone" it would be the FBI. An entity. And probably too many in that group to do anything illegal like blackmail.

They don't not want to release anything, I am sure for legal reasons. And releasing info to the public isn't their business anyway. Very easy to get into legal trouble just throwing things about. But with this latest bill being drawn up? They may be forced to do that.

[Off the Court]

I do think that Epstein himself probably didn't write down every little thing he was part of. I mean that would be weird. But it is clear that he liked to film things, and it could be possible that the FBI took the time to document everything that Epstein did film.

So let's say they have video of Trump with a girl, and that footage is documented for all of us to read. I then wonder if they will be able to release the age of the victim because that would be the part that matters most. I imagine the victim's name will be kept private.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Alex Jones says Trump’s comments today on Epstein made it much worse again: “It’s just the biggest train wreck I’ve ever seen. Jesus, I’m on a roller coaster here! It’s bad, it’s getting worse by the minute. Why the hell are you acting like this? Please stop now!”

[Bill Gates]

Alex Jones says Trump’s comments today on Epstein made it much worse again: “It’s just the biggest train wreck I’ve ever seen. Jesus, I’m on a roller coaster here! It’s bad, it’s getting worse by the minute. Why the hell are you acting like this? Please stop now!”

Why does he want Trump to "stop"? Doesn't he want to get to the truth? Isn't that what Alex Jones is all about? Figuring out the truth behind the conspiracy? But he wants Trump to stop talking because it is showing everyone the truth?

I guess conspiracies are all fun and games until it's you find out it's your hero and savior at the center of it all. Then you don't want to know the truth any more.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump's last 48 hrs

Fell asleep at presser
Said his uncle taught the Unabomber (he didn't)
Said "I call it the Epstein hoax"/you are "stupid people" if you fell for it
Said gas is under $2 bucks...it isn't
Said "I was surprised he was appointed" regarding Powell who he appointed

[j3lademaster]

This is why I say you shouldn't jump to conclusions and automatically engage in your "Trump is a pedo" fantasy. You jump to conclusions all the time. It’s the thing I see you do second most often besides strawmaning.

And if abusing your power to walk into teenage dressing rooms isn’t some creepy, pedo shit idk what is.

https://media-proxy.snopes.com/width/600?url=https://media.snopes.com/2024/07/trump_pageant_4.png

Inb4 “15 year olds got married all the time 100 years ago”.

[highwhey]

You jump to conclusions all the time. It’s the thing I see you do second most often besides strawmaning.

And if abusing your power to walk into teenage dressing rooms isn’t some creepy, pedo shit idk what is.

https://media-proxy.snopes.com/width/600?url=https://media.snopes.com/2024/07/trump_pageant_4.png

Inb4 “15 year olds got married all the time 100 years ago”.

yep, baller and other maga's have already made that argument about age. they will move the goalposts as much as they need to in order for trump being a pdf file to be a non-issue for them.

[bladefd]

“I have had more success in 6 months than perhaps any President in our Country’s history, and all these people want to talk about, with strong prodding by the Fake News and the success starved Dems, is the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax,” he wrote. “Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support anymore!”

Hear that, MAGA? Your Lord and savior Donald just called you 'weaklings'. Are you going to just take it laying down like the good sheep you are?

[ZenMaster]

You jump to conclusions all the time. It’s the thing I see you do second most often besides strawmaning.

And if abusing your power to walk into teenage dressing rooms isn’t some creepy, pedo shit idk what is.

https://media-proxy.snopes.com/width/600?url=https://media.snopes.com/2024/07/trump_pageant_4.png

Inb4 “15 year olds got married all the time 100 years ago”.

Such a perfect meme. Can you post the audio for that quote?

[j3lademaster]

Such a perfect meme. Can you post the audio for that quote?

:cheers:


https://youtu.be/xIvFHFboWEU?si=Y9JIkbgpqxcWeVfK

[ZenMaster]

:cheers:


https://youtu.be/xIvFHFboWEU?si=Y9JIkbgpqxcWeVfK

Thanks, had a feeling it was fake, just too perfect of a quote.

[Norcaliblunt]

Where are the 911 files?

A conspiracy that actually matters.

Why aren’t MAGA furious demanding this information?

[diamenz]

the united states is covering up a child sex ring?

https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1403/06/31/1403063115231785931019274.jpg

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5a7db87056b75c08a3e5b183/master/pass/Borowitz-Trumps-Worst-Hair-Day.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v-S83IcnUJY/maxresdefault.jpg

[Norcaliblunt]

the united states is covering up a child sex ring?

https://newsmedia.tasnimnews.com/Tasnim/Uploaded/Image/1403/06/31/1403063115231785931019274.jpg

https://media.newyorker.com/photos/5a7db87056b75c08a3e5b183/master/pass/Borowitz-Trumps-Worst-Hair-Day.jpg

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/v-S83IcnUJY/maxresdefault.jpg


They covered up the mass murder of thousands of Americans calling it terrorism.

How you feel about that?

[diamenz]

How you feel about that?

is that ebonics or are you just an uneducated nut like the rest of your kind?

[j3lademaster]

They covered up the mass murder of thousands of Americans calling it terrorism.

How you feel about that?

I think they're both awful and aren't mutually exclusive. We can talk about sex crimes too, if you were a prosecutor you'd charge them for both and hopefully get the bigger sentencing right? You and your law team would research both crimes in depth.

[SouBeachTalents]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-lWIfliVB4&ab_channel=NBCNews

Guys, Epstein was never a big factor in terms of, life, we don't need to see these files.

[Overdrive]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b-lWIfliVB4&ab_channel=NBCNews

Guys, Epstein was never a big factor in terms of, life, we don't need to see these files.

It's glorious seeing one of, if not the biggest, political propagators of conspiracy theories fall victim to the same mechanics he uses to eliminate his opposition, to put distrust into opinions and even facts he doesn't accept.

[ZenMaster]

:cheers:


https://youtu.be/xIvFHFboWEU?si=Y9JIkbgpqxcWeVfK

Curious though, now when posting the video, is it on purpose you didn't mention anything about your quote being fake?

[ZenMaster]

I think he may be forced to show his hand with this next vote. It is drawn up by a Republican, and we can see others like MTG support it. What will come of that though? Perhaps nothing.

So if Trump is in fact listed or documented? yeah, the question is THEN WHAT? And maybe you're right. Maybe nothing.

The whole thing is fked. If there's video of politicians or someone like Bill Gates having sex with what's for sure kids, they're obviously not going to release video of it or pics from it. If there's video of them having sex with someone who might be 17, 18, 19 or 20, they're obviously not going to be releasing video of that either.
What would be needed is investigations and trials, if someone is on video having sex with what is for sure or what could be a child, that is the right course of action. If old rumors are true about Epstein running a big ring providing child sex for some of the most powerful western billionaires and politicians and it all came out, the economy crashes. If he was setting these powerful people up on behalf of the CIA, which used to be a theory, there's not going to be any trials because it's all about blackmail. If he was doing it for Israel with the intent of creating power structures they can control, no President will ever release that info either.

[ZenMaster]

The whole thing is fked. If there's video of politicians or someone like Bill Gates having sex with what's for sure kids, they're obviously not going to release video of it or pics from it. If there's video of them having sex with someone who might be 17, 18, 19 or 20, they're obviously not going to be releasing video of that either.
What would be needed is investigations and trials, if someone is on video having sex with what is for sure or what could be a child, that is the right course of action. If old rumors are true about Epstein running a big ring providing child sex for some of the most powerful western billionaires and politicians and it all came out, the economy crashes. If he was setting these powerful people up on behalf of the CIA, which used to be a theory, there's not going to be any trials because it's all about blackmail. If he was doing it for Israel with the intent of creating power structures they can control, no President will ever release that info either.

Can't edit anymore, but saying the economy crashes is probably too big of a statement - it would depend on who's involved.

[Off the Court]

The whole thing is fked. If there's video of politicians or someone like Bill Gates having sex with what's for sure kids, they're obviously not going to release video of it or pics from it. If there's video of them having sex with someone who might be 17, 18, 19 or 20, they're obviously not going to be releasing video of that either.
What would be needed is investigations and trials, if someone is on video having sex with what is for sure or what could be a child, that is the right course of action. If old rumors are true about Epstein running a big ring providing child sex for some of the most powerful western billionaires and politicians and it all came out, the economy crashes. If he was setting these powerful people up on behalf of the CIA, which used to be a theory, there's not going to be any trials because it's all about blackmail. If he was doing it for Israel with the intent of creating power structures they can control, no President will ever release that info either.

I'm thinking that probably all the video footage is documented, and we just get the documents. Not the actual footage.

The blackmail angle doesn't make sense to me any more given it is all in possession of the FBI. If just Epstein himself has it? Then yeah he can blackmail everyone in it. But the FBI is too big of an organization for everyone in it to be on board. I actually have a buddy in the FBI and he is a legit very good person.

[Off the Court]

I am curious though, if Trump is in fact documented with an under-age girl. If Katie Johnson's story turns up to be real. Then what? Like is Trump auto-arrested? What happens?

He will for sure cry foul, conspiracy, Obama did it, etc

[Baller234]

It really boggles the mind how Trump backed himself into a corner like this. There were a million different ways he could have thrown water on the Epstein thing and kicked the can down the road. For someone who's end goal was to sweep it under the rug, he went about the WORST way possible. You don't hire Kash and Bongino unless you to intend to fuel that fire. It's all just very, very weird... and now Trump is making himself out to look like an idiot. He misfires sometimes but he's never misfired this badly.

To go from "We're gonna release files!"... to "Files? What files?"... to "If you believe there are files you're an idiot"... is quite the play I must say.

[Baller234]

I am curious though, if Trump is in fact documented with an under-age girl. If Katie Johnson's story turns up to be real. Then what? Like is Trump auto-arrested? What happens?

He will for sure cry foul, conspiracy, Obama did it, etc

I'm willing to bet if Trump goes down they all go down.

The only reason this information hasn't come to light is because it would have assured the mutual destruction of both sides. There's zero chance that if something were to come out that Trump and only Trump is implicated. Plus he would probably just start dropping names himself. I'm sure he has contingency plans too.

I don't think there's a way to bring Trump down without bringing the whole thing down.

[ShawkFactory]

It really boggles the mind how Trump backed himself into a corner like this. There were a million different ways he could have thrown water on the Epstein thing and kicked the can down the road. For someone who's end goal was to sweep it under the rug, he went about the WORST way possible. You don't hire Kash and Bongino unless you to intend to fuel that fire. It's all just very, very weird... and now Trump is making himself out to look like an idiot. He misfires sometimes but he's never misfired this badly.

To go from "We're gonna release files!"... to "Files? What files?"... to "If you believe there are files you're an idiot"... is quite the play I must say.

Very strange indeed. Like..there can't be brand new information in the last couple of months that would have him change his tune this quickly and aggressively can there?

I will say, I agree that the fact that he is now insinuating that this was never a topic for him and is just a Democrat thing is wild. Does he not think that people were around and remember 8 months ago?

[Off the Court]

Very strange indeed. Like..there can't be brand new information in the last couple of months that would have him change his tune this quickly and aggressively can there?

I will say, I agree that the fact that he is now insinuating that this was never a topic for him and is just a Democrat thing is wild. Does he not think that people were around and remember 8 months ago?

When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.

[SouBeachTalents]

When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.

https://youtu.be/07JQr5W3970?si=lvNhAM9clnf_6bPt&t=1084

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.

[Off the Court]

https://youtu.be/07JQr5W3970?si=lvNhAM9clnf_6bPt&t=1084

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.

Yeah exactly! That video is now making the rounds. And people are starting to now see that Trump himself never really pushed the Epstein stuff, it was just everyone he surrounds himself with.

Which IMO is really scary. Because what that tells us is that everyone around him never even considered that Trump could be implicated and they all literally viewed him as some sin-free messiah. They really bought into all the Q-Anon crap about the evil Democratic pedophile rituals and it never even occurred to them that Trump could be part of that despite having more photos with Epstein than anyone else. It really is very cultish.

[j3lademaster]

https://youtu.be/07JQr5W3970?si=lvNhAM9clnf_6bPt&t=1084

Go to 18:04. I believe this was last year, he doesn't seem terribly enthused about releasing them, not like he would Hillary's emails or proof of election fraud.

I never watched Oliver because I assumed he was some liberal quack, but this whole video was refreshingly spot on and scarily prophetic.

[Baller234]

When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.

This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.

[Off the Court]

This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.

The whole thing has played out a big mess for sure. But he got both Kash and Bongino to declare that Epstein did in fact commit suicide and that there is no list. Perhaps he thought he could use them in that manner. To go in there and then lie.

I think that the people around Trump were so gung ho on the Epstein stuff that it was something he couldn't just brush aside. And this didn't REALLY blow up on him until he blew up on the media for asking about it. That is when everyone really raised and eye brow and said "wtf is happening here".

[diamenz]

This wouldn't make sense either. If he wanted to downplay the Epstein thing he could have totally skated on it. He's the one that hired Kash and Bongino. There were always rumblings about Epstein but that's when the rumblings became calls to action.

Had Trump just let everyone keep speculating and hired some no name loyalists instead, nobody would have minded and everyone would have backed them. He would have won the election even without fueling the Epstein stuff.

He's the one who put himself in this position. That's why it's so strange.

i suppose one possibility could be that he didn't learn that he was on the list (in whatever capacity) until he reassumed office and actually had bondi open the files. or in a similar regard, learned that whomever else was on the list, that he then he decided he didn't want implicated for whatever reason.. or said party(s) were subsequently notified and some 'elite agreement' was met. something to that effect.

fly on the oval office wall for real.

[Baller234]

The whole thing has played out a big mess for sure. But he got both Kash and Bongino to declare that Epstein did in fact commit suicide and that there is no list. Perhaps he thought he could use them in that manner. To go in there and then lie.

I think that the people around Trump were so gung ho on the Epstein stuff that it was something he couldn't just brush aside. And this didn't REALLY blow up on him until he blew up on the media for asking about it. That is when everyone really raised and eye brow and said "wtf is happening here".

Right but again that's only going to make people even more suspicious. This whole can of worms started when people saw the clear attitude change in Kash and Bongino. That's when it became clear something was up.

You tell me what the safer play would have been:

- Hire some guys nobody heard of and let people continue to speculate on social media

- Hire Kash and Bongino, back them publicly, make it look like you're pursuing the files, then compromise them someway and totally undress them in the public eye. Now they look shady, you look shady, and everyone knows you're hiding something.


Choice B is an extremely weird play if you ask me.

[Off the Court]

Right but again that's only going to make people even more suspicious. This whole can of worms started when people saw the clear attitude change in Kash and Bongino. That's when it became clear something was up.

You tell me what the safer play would have been:

- Hire some guys nobody heard of and let people continue to speculate on social media

- Hire Kash and Bongino, back them publicly, make it look like you're pursuing the files, then compromise them someway and totally undress them in the public eye. Now they look shady, you look shady, and everyone knows you're hiding something.


Choice B is an extremely weird play if you ask me.

I mean, it does feel like none of it was well thought out at all. It's all very messy.

[Off the Court]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GRvqOg0WgAArv2W.jpg


Proof of this is what would be in there. Her life was threatened, and Epstein was killed over this.

[ShawkFactory]

I never watched Oliver because I assumed he was some liberal quack, but this whole video was refreshingly spot on and scarily prophetic.

Nah not really. He's certainly liberal but does a lot more research and is far more thoughtful than your standard MSM folks.

[ZenMaster]

I'm thinking that probably all the video footage is documented, and we just get the documents. Not the actual footage.

The blackmail angle doesn't make sense to me any more given it is all in possession of the FBI. If just Epstein himself has it? Then yeah he can blackmail everyone in it. But the FBI is too big of an organization for everyone in it to be on board. I actually have a buddy in the FBI and he is a legit very good person.

Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?


When you really go back into the past though, you can see that the people who were really pushing the Epstein stuff were his base followers (MAGA) and the people Trump surrounded himself with. It was basically everyone BUT Trump.

Trump was vocal about the JFK files, and he pushed other conspiracies, the voter fraud stuff, he constantly talks about the "Deep State". So I think most everyone just naturally lumped the Epstein stuff into that and remember it as Trump pushing that as well. But we can see from previous videos he tried to downplay Epstein when asked about it.

I bet when his gang was prancing around with the Phase 1 binders he was nervous and sweating.

This is true for the most part, but Trump does have a few moments in last years campaign where he mentioned it himself directly at rallies, like 3 or 4 times.

[Baller234]

Sorry guys but John Oliver is very much a liberal quack with TDS who thinks a woman can have a c0ck. He did an entire show just recently about how men competing in women's sports isn't really an issue and how they don't have any physical advantages.

Long after we're all dead this will be the defining moment he's remembered for:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HlHo-F1z_aw

[Off the Court]

Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?


I think because Bill Clinton is all over it. There is no denying that Bill has just as much going against him in this ordeal as Trump does. And I am sure he is feeling the heat over it.

Obama helped campaign for Hillary, is good friends with the Clintons. And I think that neither side has wanted these files released. UNTIL NOW. I think that enough time has passed, and Bill and Hillary are far back in the rear view now, that we have reached a point where the Dems are willing to sacrifice Bill Clinton.

[highwhey]

Robert Mueller was the head of the FBI when Epstein gave them the info and served under Obama for 5 years, they must have known. Why would Obama cover this up for Trump?



This is true for the most part, but Trump does have a few moments in last years campaign where he mentioned it himself directly at rallies, like 3 or 4 times.

such a disingenuous logical statement and pathetic tbh.

[ZenMaster]

I think because Bill Clinton is all over it. There is no denying that Bill has just as much going against him in this ordeal as Trump does. And I am sure he is feeling the heat over it.

Obama helped campaign for Hillary, is good friends with the Clintons. And I think that neither side has wanted these files released. UNTIL NOW. I think that enough time has passed, and Bill and Hillary are far back in the rear view now, that we have reached a point where the Dems are willing to sacrifice Bill Clinton.

But what about all the other politicians, businessmen and celebrities who were known to hang out with Epstein and visit his island for the big parties? I know the internet has been scrubbed now and most pics of Epstein left is with him and Trump, but that is what he used to be known for in his latter years.

I think most people on the right feel they don't need to discuss with dem voters about elites having been filmed by Epstein raping kids, because you didn't care to begin with and were totally fine with politicians covering this up.
But with this, if Obama covered it up for Bill, then you really don't need to be focusing on Trump but can instead look at the fall of your own party and try to clean that up. Obama and Biden covered for Bill, then supported Bills wife to be President, then Biden next - and just in this last election you were voting for the candidate supported by Obama.


https://youtu.be/USxmiEXRdQ0

https://i.insider.com/5797ecc94321f1362f8ba80d?width=800&format=jpeg&auto=webp

[ZenMaster]

such a disingenuous logical statement and pathetic tbh.

In what world wouldn't the sitting US President be told about a billionaire giving up recorded videos of various US elites raping children so he can stay out of jail? Robert Mueller covering for Bill by keeping it a secret from Obama?

[Baller234]

Bill Clinton was welcome to speak at the 2024 DNC to endorse Kamala and no one batted an eye. No Epstein questions, none of that. Instead he gets a heroes welcome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlXfYETuVI


Don't forget, both the Obamas and the Clintons had a personal chef who accidentally drowned.

I repeat... both the Obamas AND the Clintons... had a personal chef who accidentally DROWNED.

[highwhey]

Bill Clinton was welcome to speak at the 2024 DNC to endorse Kamala and no one batted an eye. No Epstein questions, none of that. Instead he gets a heroes welcome.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tvlXfYETuVI


Don't forget, both the Obamas and the Clintons had a personal chef who accidentally drowned.

I repeat... both the Obamas AND the Clintons... had a personal chef who accidentally DROWNED.
yeah drowning still happens in this day and age. crazy, i know.

[highwhey]

In what world wouldn't the sitting US President be told about a billionaire giving up recorded videos of various US elites raping children so he can stay out of jail? Robert Mueller covering for Bill by keeping it a secret from Obama?

:facepalm

[Baller234]

yeah drowning still happens in this day and age. crazy, i know.

How many people do you know personally that drowned?

You don't think it's a coincidence that the Obamas AND the Clintons BOTH have a chef who drowned?

Lmao.

:oldlol: