so where are the epstein files?

[RRR3]

ZenMaster is spiraling :oldlol:


Walls closing in on his hero :roll:

[bladefd]

Hey MAGA, Trump just said you are stupid and foolish in a direct quote. Are you just going to take it?


"It was a hoax. It's all been a big hoax. It's perpetrated by the Democrats and some stupid Republicans and foolish Republicans fall into the net. And so they try and do the Democrats work. The Democrats are good for nothing other than these hoaxes," Trump told ABC's Bruce.https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-blasts-epstein-files-release-supporters/story?id=123799343

[RRR3]

Hey MAGA, Trump just said you are stupid and foolish in a direct quote. Are you just going to take it?

https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/trump-blasts-epstein-files-release-supporters/story?id=123799343
He doesnt want their support anymore :lol


“Their new SCAM is what we will forever call the Jeffrey Epstein Hoax, and my PAST supporters have bought into this ‘bullshit,’ hook, line, and sinker. They haven’t learned their lesson, and probably never will, even after being conned by the Lunatic Left for 8 long years,” he wrote.

“Let these weaklings continue forward and do the Democrats work, don’t even think about talking of our incredible and unprecedented success, because I don’t want their support any more!”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2025/jul/16/donald-trump-dismisses-inquiry-into-jeffrey-epstein-as-boring




bawler, chewy and zen, how can you still support your hero after this? He hates you.

[highwhey]

How many people do you know personally that drowned?

You don't think it's a coincidence that the Obamas AND the Clintons BOTH have a chef who drowned?

Lmao.

:oldlol:

why stop at the chef? their secrete service agents, including while in office and post-presidency spend far more time around them.

wealthy/influtential people tend to hire the same people/companies that are vetted/trusted. it's not a far reach that they both hired the same chef bc that chef was trustworthy. you're reaching.

[ZenMaster]

ZenMaster is spiraling :oldlol:


Walls closing in on his hero :roll:

Oh he's already done, he aligned himself with very popular people who mentioned Epstein over and over and went completely 180 on the subject. If Musk is serious about his new party, there's probably nothing better that could happen than this.

[Baller234]

why stop at the chef? their secrete service agents, including while in office and post-presidency spend far more time around them.

wealthy/influtential people tend to hire the same people/companies that are vetted/trusted. it's not a far reach that they both hired the same chef bc that chef was trustworthy. you're reaching.

No you idiot, it wasn't the same chef.

Two DIFFERENT chefs drowned. One was the personal chef for the Clintons, one for the Obamas.

They BOTH had their own chef that drowned.

[RRR3]

Oh he's already done, he aligned himself with very popular people who mentioned Epstein over and over and went completely 180 on the subject. If Musk is serious about his new party, there's probably nothing better that could happen than this.
So you admit Trump tricked you?

[Baller234]

Oh he's already done, he aligned himself with very popular people who mentioned Epstein over and over and went completely 180 on the subject. If Musk is serious about his new party, there's probably nothing better that could happen than this.

I wouldn't count out Trump. As much as people are making a stink over this, I think deep down a lot of people understand the nuances and the risk involved. The people on Team MAGA who are holding Trump's feet to the fire on this aren't going to just abandon the MAGA agenda over it. They may respect Trump less than they did before but if he delivers on his other promises I still think he can carry some momentum.

Elon looks bad in this well. This guy claims to know what's being hidden and who's involved but he went along with it and covered it up as well. If he really cared that much he could tell us all what he knows now and stop being coy.

[highwhey]

I wouldn't count out Trump. As much as people are making a stink over this, I think deep down a lot of people understand the nuances and the risk involved. The people on Team MAGA who are holding Trump's feet to the fire on this aren't going to just abandon the MAGA agenda over it. They may respect Trump less than they did before but if he delivers on his other promises I still think he can carry some momentum.

Elon looks bad in this well. This guy claims to know what's being hidden and who's involved but he went along with it and covered it up as well. If he really cared that much he could tell us all what he knows now and stop being coy.

you're such a cvck. you'd probably get cheated on and think to yourself "maybe deep down i understand the nuances and the risk involved, she has her reasons so i forgive her".

[Baller234]

you're such a cvck. you'd probably get cheated on and think to yourself "maybe deep down i understand the nuances and the risk involved, she has her reasons so i forgive her".

I see you gave up on trying to rationalize the chef thing.

[ZenMaster]

So you admit Trump tricked you?

Personally I wasn't holding my breath after he didn't go after anyone in his first term, but the right as a whole is shot and a lot of people are very disappointed and suspicious, like they should be.

[Off the Court]

Obama would just claim he was unaware. And it could be 100% true. The FBI is it's own entity.

When a POTUS is elected into office, the FBI doesn't approach them and spill out every file they have on everything. They have probably endless information on all sorts of shit. And there are probably certain procedures the POTUS has to take to get a briefing or access, to classify or declassify anything, etc.


I'll tell you this though, there is absolutely a huge internal battle going on within the FBI, because there is no way in hell they released that prison cell footage without understanding the meta-data could be inspected. They released that HOPING to get caught. And it went over the heads of Kash and Bongino who are not tech savy individuals.

[RRR3]

Personally I wasn't holding my breath after he didn't go after anyone in his first term, but the right as a whole is shot and a lot of people are very disappointed and suspicious, like they should be.
Better late than never I guess.

[highwhey]

I see you gave up on trying to rationalize the chef thing.

it's a reach. you're a cvck as well.

[ZenMaster]

Obama would just claim he was unaware. And it could be 100% true. The FBI is it's own entity.

When a POTUS is elected into office, the FBI doesn't approach them and spill out every file they have on everything. They have probably endless information on all sorts of shit. And there are probably certain procedures the POTUS has to take to get a briefing or access, to classify or declassify anything, etc.


I'll tell you this though, there is absolutely a huge internal battle going on within the FBI, because there is no way in hell they released that prison cell footage without understanding the meta-data could be inspected. They released that HOPING to get caught. And it went over the heads of Kash and Bongino who are not tech savy individuals.

To think that a billionaire and democrat donor, with a foundation heavily involved with both the Clinton and Gates foundations on various projects, that a guy like that delivers this kind of information after a public trial about him trafficking a 14 year old and the President doesn't know. I call bullshit, it's literally national security given how sensitive the information is.

[Off the Court]

To think that a billionaire and democrat donor, with a foundation heavily involved with both the Clinton and Gates foundations on various projects, that a guy like that delivers this kind of information after a public trial about him trafficking a 14 year old and the President doesn't know. I call bullshit, it's literally national security given how sensitive the information is.

Maybe, maybe not. I'm just telling you that every POTUS before Trump can play the "I didn't know" card.

[ArbitraryWater]

Trump doubling and tripling down on this is hilarious, dudes completely lost his base :lol

[ZenMaster]

Maybe, maybe not. I'm just telling you that every POTUS before Trump can play the "I didn't know" card.

And you've already set up an excuse to believe him in case he'd do that, it's very telling. With Trump you keep speculating with about how a Jerry Springer producer lawsuit might be real because you read it in a tweet, but with Obama you're almost bragging about how he could get out of it.

[Off the Court]

And you've already set up an excuse to believe him in case he'd do that, it's very telling. With Trump you keep speculating with about how a Jerry Springer producer lawsuit might be real because you read it in a tweet, but with Obama you're almost bragging about how he could get out of it.
I'm definitely not "bragging" and anyone involved with a coverup should be locked up IMO. Throw away the key.

But I have to throw the obvious out there. Because with most of you guys it's like "why did everyone else cover it up?". As though right when they are elected President the FBI approaches them and tells them about everyone Epstein was messing with.

And with Obama and Biden, neither were implicated, so with both of them it would be snooping around to see who and what happened, and it is entirely feasible that they just had more important shit to do.


It is also 100% feasible that both knew everything and have kept that knowledge hidden. And if that is shown? Prison.

[Off the Court]

Some in the FBI are in trouble here. I am not sure how it works, or what their protocol is. But if they know there are guilty pedos running around and kept silent? I mean, maybe they can do that under the guise of "it would blow the investigation" or something.

Someone or multiple in there knows who killed Epstein. Some of them edited footage. And someone in there purposely released edited footage knowing it would quickly be exposed. So there are some in there who want the truth exposed.

I think what is happening within the FBI, is probably a much more serious ordeal than people realize because everyone is focused on Trump.

[RRR3]

Biden wasn't implicated but everyone know's dude is a pedo already so no one would be surprised.

[ZenMaster]

I'm definitely not "bragging" and anyone involved with a coverup should be locked up IMO. Throw away the key.

But I have to throw the obvious out there. Because with most of you guys it's like "why did everyone else cover it up?". As though right when they are elected President the FBI approaches them and tells them about everyone Epstein was messing with.

And with Obama and Biden, neither were implicated, so with both of them it would be snooping around to see who and what happened, and it is entirely feasible that they just had more important shit to do.


It is also 100% feasible that both knew everything and have kept that knowledge hidden. And if that is shown? Prison.

How could Obama not know if he and the Dems now are ready to sacrifice Bill Clinton and want the files released?


I think because Bill Clinton is all over it. There is no denying that Bill has just as much going against him in this ordeal as Trump does. And I am sure he is feeling the heat over it.

Obama helped campaign for Hillary, is good friends with the Clintons. And I think that neither side has wanted these files released. UNTIL NOW. I think that enough time has passed, and Bill and Hillary are far back in the rear view now, that we have reached a point where the Dems are willing to sacrifice Bill Clinton.

[Off the Court]

Biden wasn't implicated but everyone know's dude is a pedo already so no one would be surprised.

Running around with Epstein? I'd be really surprised if him or Obama were in that mix.

The only guilt I can imagine with either of them around Epstein is knowingly covering up for Bill. And that one I can see.

[Off the Court]

How could Obama not know if he and the Dems now are ready to sacrifice Bill Clinton and want the files released?
You did this last time with something else. I am saying either possibility is feasible.

You even quoted it there.

"It is also 100% feasible that both knew everything and have kept that knowledge hidden. And if that is shown? Prison."

[RRR3]

Running around with Epstein? I'd be really surprised if him or Obama were in that mix.

The only guilt I can imagine with either of them around Epstein is knowingly covering up for Bill. And that one I can see.
You'd be surprised about BIDEN? Have you seen how he acts around kids? Cmon man stop being so partisan.

[diamenz]

it all makes sense now - michelle obama had her sex change surgery done on epstein island.

[Off the Court]

You'd be surprised about BIDEN? Have you seen how he acts around kids? Cmon man stop being so partisan.

With Epstein? YES very surprised.

Is there even a single picture of Joe with Epstein? The two did not know each other as far as I am aware. He has never been implicated in this.

[diamenz]

With Epstein? YES very surprised.

Is there even a single picture of Joe with Epstein? The two did not know each other as far as I am aware. He has never been implicated in this.

that's because biden has his own child sex ring.

[Off the Court]

No one is even going to come after Biden and Obama in this lol. The hunt will end at Bill Clinton and Donald Trump as far as US Presidents go.

[warriorfan]

You'd be surprised about BIDEN? Have you seen how he acts around kids? Cmon man stop being so partisan.

Off the court has gotten so unhinged with his 24/7 fantasizing about donald trump ****ing kids that even RRR3 is distancing himself from him


:roll: :roll: :roll:

[Off the Court]

Hey, if Biden is unveiled in this, I will 10000% eat crow. I do not give the slightest f@3k about Biden.

He won't be though.

[Off the Court]

I think it will be Bill, Donald, and then a bunch of rich dudes and lawyers that most are unfamiliar with. Prince Andrew is implicated, no one will give a f@#k though. And I could see a random celeb or two that might kind of shock people. I doubt that Gates did anything, he is just too nerdy, I don't think he even has a sex drive. But I suppose it is possible. Steven Hawking was there too but we know he isn't doing shit.

Most of the attention will be given to Donald Trump and Bill Clinton.

And then I think there will be tons of drama centered around certain FBI agents.

That is my official prediction.

[ZenMaster]

No one is even going to come after Biden and Obama in this lol. The hunt will end at Bill Clinton and Donald Trump as far as US Presidents go.

There you go bragging about it again :cheers: Anyways, Biden is on video doing the dead hands move to an 8 year old girl so he could fondle her nipples, it's disgusting.

[warriorfan]

Hey, if Biden is unveiled in this, I will 10000% eat crow. I do not give the slightest f@3k about Biden.

He won't be though.

News flash. No one gives a shit about your takes of who ****s kids or not and who’s gonna “take the L” if they are wrong

You are legit being a sports fan in politics and hoping the other team ****ed kids so you can cheer and have some sort of morbid celebration.

Seek help immediately little guy

[Off the Court]

News flash. No one gives a shit about your takes of who ****s kids or not and who’s gonna “take the L” if they are wrong

You are legit being a sports fan in politics and hoping the other team ****ed kids so you can cheer and have some sort of morbid celebration.

Seek help immediately little guy

yeah, totally man no one cares about this at all.

:roll:

[warriorfan]

There you go bragging about it again :cheers: Anyways, Biden is on video doing the dead hands move to an 8 year old girl so he could fondle her nipples, it's disgusting.

He is making up conspiracy theories about donald trump being inappropriate with kids when there is literally mountains of video evidence of biden being wildly inappropriate.

Tbh I think a family member molested him or something. This behavior is super bizarre. This ain’t it.

[Off the Court]

News flash. No one gives a shit about your takes of who ****s kids or not and who’s gonna “take the L” if they are wrong

You are legit being a sports fan in politics and hoping the other team ****ed kids so you can cheer and have some sort of morbid celebration.

Seek help immediately little guy

yeah, totally man no one cares about this at all.

:roll:

[warriorfan]

yeah, totally man no one cares about this at all.

:roll:

No one cares about your hot takes and predictions/fantasies about donald trump having sex with children.

The “I’ll eat crow” is so painfully un self-aware. Legit no one gives 2 ****s about you or any double digit iq and highly emotional takes you have.


Legit get a life lmao

[Off the Court]

No one cares about your hot takes and predictions/fantasies about donald trump having sex with children.

The “I’ll eat crow” is so painfully un self-aware.


Legit get a life lmao

You care. You're reading my takes. And it's triggering you.

You've been reading me. The minute R3 disagreed you jumped in shouting victory :oldlol:

[Baller234]

I'm willing to bet that Trump wasn't involved in the underage tomfoolery. I know I can't prove that and I know the list is probably never coming out, so it's easy for me to say that, but I'll make that claim right now. If it comes out that I'm wrong, I will own it and you're free to ridicule me all time for it.

I believe he could be compromised in some other way or he's trying to prevent some catastrophic political fallout. His behavior up until this point has just been too weird and too off brand for him for it to turn out like this. It's just insanely hard to believe he was involved and allowed it to get to this point.

If you're guilty of a crime you don't put a spotlight on it, have everyone in your family talk about it, have everyone in your campaign talk about it, hire the guys who made their reputations on it... and then do this. Especially knowing it would have been EXTREMELY easy for him to avoid this path.

I think even Trump's most avid haters could admit this is out of character for him.

[warriorfan]

You care. You're reading my takes. And it's triggering you.

You've been reading me. The minute R3 disagreed you jumped in shouting victory :oldlol:

This isn’t about winning and losing.

The very fact your mind goes to that direction is extremely telling.

You are turning politics into this sports like mindset where there has to be a “winner” and a “loser”.

You are obviously compensating for other areas in your life. If you are obsessively searching for something that claims donald trump is having sex with kids and think it’s some huge W…. Like legit get a hobby or go do something productive and fulfilling.

Grandstanding and trying to make everything about Donald Trump and turning it into some sort of weird pissing match shows you have a huge void in your life.

No one cares. Get a life. For real.

[Off the Court]

This isn’t about winning and losing.

The very fact your mind goes to that direction is extremely telling.

You are turning politics into this sports like mindset where there has to be a “winner” and a “loser”.

You are obviously compensating for other areas in your life. If you are obsessively searching for something that claims donald trump is having sex with kids and think it’s some huge W…. Like legit get a hobby or go do something productive and fulfilling.

Grandstanding and trying to make everything about Donald Trump and turning it into some sort of weird pissing match shows you have a huge void in your life.

No one cares. Get a life. For real.

Goes the direction of Trump being involved with Epstein? :oldlol:

I mean, I guess you haven't been on any social media lately. The entire world's mind has gone that direction. Maybe try keeping up with the latest trends instead of jumping in here and pretending like it's all just me.

[warriorfan]

Goes the direction of Trump being involved with Epstein? :oldlol:

I mean, I guess you haven't been on any social media lately. The entire world's mind has gone that direction. Maybe try keeping up with the latest trends instead of jumping in here and pretending like it's all just me.

No

In the direction of “i’ll eat crow” like your tinfoil level hot takes mean anything and that anyone cares.

Plus we all know you will ghost and just pop up on another alt afterwards.

This obviously isn’t the first time.

[Off the Court]

No

In the direction of “i’ll eat crow” like your tinfoil level hot takes mean anything and that anyone cares.

Plus we all know you will ghost and just pop up on another alt afterwards.

This obviously isn’t the first time.

Biden NOT being listed is a "tinfiol level hot take" ? :oldlol:

I won't ghost. Want to avy bet on Biden if documents are released? Let do it, we all know you care deeply about this.

[ZenMaster]

I wouldn't count out Trump. As much as people are making a stink over this, I think deep down a lot of people understand the nuances and the risk involved. The people on Team MAGA who are holding Trump's feet to the fire on this aren't going to just abandon the MAGA agenda over it. They may respect Trump less than they did before but if he delivers on his other promises I still think he can carry some momentum.

Elon looks bad in this well. This guy claims to know what's being hidden and who's involved but he went along with it and covered it up as well. If he really cared that much he could tell us all what he knows now and stop being coy.

People will take the good that's there, like making sure dems didn't keep flooding the country with illegal workers, but the communication to his supporters about Epstein is terrible. If the whole wide conspiracy theory about Epstein is a hoax and the girls were for himself and only a few friends, that could have been explained so much better than berating that reporter with "you're still taking about that creep?".

[diamenz]

People will take the good that's there, like making sure dems didn't keep flooding the country with illegal workers, but the communication to his supporters about Epstein is terrible. If the whole wide conspiracy theory about Epstein is a hoax and the girls were for himself and only a few friends, that could have been explained so much better than berating that reporter with "you're still taking about that creep?".

yeah it's one thing to support the policy but if you're (not you in particular) willing to go to bat for this guy after how he's revealed the way he thinks about you then you're just a cuck of the highest order.

obviously people like you and baller can think for yourselves but someone like chewing for example will just stay being a b1tch. it seems he always finds a way anyway.

[Lakers Legend#32]

Trump is so desperate for a distraction from Epstein, he actually released his medical update.

[diamenz]

Trump sent Jeffrey Epstein ‘bawdy’ 50th birthday letter: WSJ (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/17/trump-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-letter-wsj.html)


A “bawdy” letter to Jeffrey Epstein bearing President Donald Trump’s signature was included in an album of letters Epstein received for his 50th birthday in 2003, The Wall Street Journal reported on Thursday evening, citing documents reviewed by the newspaper.

The letter, which the Journal said Trump sent at the request of Epstein’s friend Ghislaine Maxwell, would have been written 16 years before the Justice Department charged the now-dead Epstein with child sex trafficking in 2019, during Trump’s first term in office.

The missive, which Trump denied having written, came to light as the president angrily tries to tamp down growing criticism of the decision by Attorney General Pam Bondi not to release more evidence the Justice Department obtained during its investigation of Epstein.

It was unclear whether the birthday album was among the Epstein documents recently reviewed by the Justice Department. CNBC has requested comment from the Justice Department and the White House about the album and the letter.

According to the Journal, the letter “contains several lines of typewritten text framed by the outline of a naked woman, which appears to be hand-drawn with a heavy marker.”

“A pair of small arcs denotes the woman’s breasts, and the future president’s signature is a squiggly ‘Donald’ below her waist, mimicking pubic hair,” the Journal’s Khadeeja Safdar and Joe Palazzolo reported.

“The letter concludes: ‘Happy Birthday — and may every day be another wonderful secret,’” they wrote.

The Journal said that it was not clear “how the letter with Trump’s signature was prepared.”

“Inside the outline of the naked woman was a typewritten note styled as an imaginary conversation between Trump and Epstein, written in the third person,” the paper reported.

A leather-bound album book containing Trump’s birthday letter, as well as letters to Epstein from the lawyer Alan Dershowitz and billionaire Les Wexner, was among the documents “examined by Justice Department officials who investigated Epstein and Maxwell years ago,” the newspaper reported, citing people who have reviewed the pages.

Trump denied writing the letter or drawing the photo during an interview on Tuesday, according to the newspaper.

“This is not me. This is a fake thing. It’s a fake Wall Street Journal story,” he said. “I never wrote a picture in my life. I don’t draw pictures of women,” he said. “It’s not my language. It’s not my words.”

The paper said that Trump told the Journal that if it published an article about the letter, “I’m gonna sue The Wall Street Journal just like I sued everyone else.”

After the Journal’s story was published, Trump said he would file a lawsuit against the newspaper, its parent company NewsCorp and against Rupert Murdoch, whose family holds a controlling stake in NewsCorp.

Trump wrote that Murdoch had been “warned directly” by Trump that he would be sued if the Journal printed the story.

“Mr. Murdoch stated that he would take care of it but, obviously, did not have the power to do so,” Trump claimed in a post on Truth Social.

Shortly after he wrote that post, however, Trump announced that he had asked Attorney General Pam Bondi to seek “any and all pertinent Grand Jury testimony, subject to Court approval,” on the Epstein case.

Legal experts quickly noted that the secrecy of grand jury testimony is strictly protected, raising questions of whether Bondi’s request would be made with any serious expectation of success.

The Journal’s article was published a day after the Justice Department fired Maurene Comey, a top prosecutor in the Manhattan U.S. Attorney’s Office, who had been part of the teams that prosecuted Epstein and Maxwell. Comey is the daughter of Trump’s long-time nemesis James Comey, whom Trump fired as FBI director in 2017.

Trump has said that he ended his friendship with Epstein before the money manager pleaded guilty to a sex crime involving a minor in Florida state court in 2008.

Epstein, then 66, died in August 2019 in a Manhattan federal jail, a month after his arrest on child sex trafficking charges. His death was ruled a suicide.

Maxwell was convicted at trial in Manhattan federal court of multiple crimes related to procuring underage girls to be sexually abused by Epstein. In 2022, she received a 20-year prison sentence.

[highwhey]

Trump sent Jeffrey Epstein ‘bawdy’ 50th birthday letter: WSJ (https://www.cnbc.com/2025/07/17/trump-jeffrey-epstein-birthday-letter-wsj.html)

oh the sharks are circling LMAO. you know damn well they were waiting to release this at the right moment to do the most damage :oldlol:

[ZenMaster]

yeah it's one thing to support the policy but if you're (not you in particular) willing to go to bat for this guy after how he's revealed the way he thinks about you then you're just a cuck of the highest order.

obviously people like you and baller can think for yourselves but someone like chewing for example will just stay being a b1tch. it seems he always finds a way anyway.

One also shouldn't go overboard, Trump is an old boomer after all and he's not always connecting well with his base, operation warp speed and his proudness of it comes to mind. There are a lot of psychological aspects when it comes to the Epstein case.

Some other thoughts:

Dems are desperate, a big chunk of their base support is getting deported and the positives of removing illegal immigrants sucking the bottom out of society are starting to show. Even Bernie was on TV the other day talking positively about deporting illegal immigrants, which used to be his old opinion too as someone looking out for the American worker.

A campaign has run online since last year in left communities, lots of tweets and stories in the mold of "new docs Epstein docs released" and then use of that fake lawsuit OTC keeps referencing in this thread. At the same time Epstein pics were scrubbed, if you search for it now you only get a few pics of other people mentioned by Virginia Roberts in her testimony - Clinton and Prince Andrew - everything else is basically of him and Trump. In it's own sense it's quite remarkable how the same 10ish pics of Trump and Epstein has been shared over and over here on ISH in the last 1-2 years, with nothing private ever leaking. The goal is to make Trump guilty by association.
Do you notice the hubris and sense of security that people have here in the thread concluding Trump raped kids? The same people who would berate others in the past for "believing random tweets" are now literally posting pictures of random tweets about this subject. The campaign has surely worked. The same people who kept talking about how Musk is unstable and tweets on drugs also now fully believe that's he's been allowed access to see videos of Trump raping kids - or at least they pretend to do so, and wrote a tweet about it.

My take on the Epstein case from the testimony and case points I've seen:

Highly intelligent, both with numbers and socially, who was also a pedo predator attracted to females from puberty and up, with an affinity for the puberty age.
His thing was mainly getting massages with handjobs, sometimes sex. To fulfill these needs he needed young girls, which he'd get in different ways and often through the help of Maxwell and Brunel.

Being a pedo and abusing kids sexually isn't accepted in social circles outside of other pedos, so like most other pedos, Epstein lived a double life, only showing his shadow side to the few he trusted. It's why there's no client list, because Epstein was a billionaire with his own predator desires. It's also why some people might have gone to Epstein island and done terrible stuff with Epstein, while others went there for regular parties/events.

He has different "types" of victims.
He'd find girls in the US and Brunel would send young girls over from Europe too looking to become models, probably when they got to NY it was presented that part of the opportunity included them having to do this for Epstein. He'd pay the girls for their visits, underage prostitution. I think that's why a lot of women have silently collected compensation since the case was reopened as they were taken advantage of, not wanting their name on the news because they had sex with Epstein back in the day when they were trying to become models in NY. I also think that's why a most of his victims won't ever come forward.

Virginia Roberts (and of course there may be others like her) is a different type of victim. She was recruited by Maxwell at 15 from Mar-A-Lago where she was a spa attendant, to come give private massages for Epstein and learn the trade that way travelling around with them. But in a predatory sense Epstein and Maxwell struck gold with Roberts, as she had already been abused when she was very young and had also lived on the streets and experienced abuse there. She was very fragile, that's why they could mold her and keep her around for a longer period. Because she was such a fractured youth, I do believe there's a decent chance that Roberts might have helped recruit a few other girls for Epstein as well. She sadly took her own life last month or so, I hope she's found peace.

When Trump found out that Epstein had recruited a teenager working at his resort is when he stopped talking and being social with him, it's why he was helpful in providing information to Virginia Robert's lawyer when she initially sued Epstein in 2009.

As for the whole Mossad/CIA angle that some people are shooting around. I wouldn't be surprised if when Epstein first got busted in 2006 or 07, that someone in intelligence got the idea how a billionaire pedo like Epstein could be more useful free than in jail, which would explain his initial sweetheart deal from the US gov.

[Jasper]

have a secret happy birthday every one

[Baller234]

Wouldn't you know it. Trump wrote Epstein a birthday letter, and it comes out right at the exact moment the Epstein news is making a buzz. Not anytime over the last 10 years.

If you believe that letter is real then you probably also think professional wrestling is real. :oldlol:

[Baller234]

This letter thing is such a dumb play by the democrats that I'm halfway convinced Trump's people put it out there on purpose for them scoop it up. Now he gets to play the fake news and the "hoax" card again.

[Hey Yo]

Wouldn't you know it. Trump wrote Epstein a birthday letter, and it comes out right at the exact moment the Epstein news is making a buzz. Not anytime over the last 10 years.

If you believe that letter is real then you probably also think professional wrestling is real. :oldlol:

In before BurningAxeHammer flips out on you and says pro wrestling is indeed real.

[Off the Court]

Read a plausible theory, that Trump actually met Melania through Epstein. Epstein was using aspiring models to work for him. She did live in NY, and the theory is that she was working as a prostitute for Epstein, who had modeling connections. Trump met her through Epstein.

And it wasn't until later that Trump was hit with the sudden realization that his wife will be exposed as a former Epstein prostitute if the files are released.


None of that has any backing, all just 100% speculation, however, it does seem plausible.

[ZenMaster]

I hope you're not paying for the substack where you're reading these theories.

[j3lademaster]

Wouldn't you know it. Trump wrote Epstein a birthday letter, and it comes out right at the exact moment the Epstein news is making a buzz. Not anytime over the last 10 years.

If you believe that letter is real then you probably also think professional wrestling is real. :oldlol:No, that's the most basic 101 shit when it comes to politics. Information and evidence is only as valuable as using it at the right time, you don't just release this right away. You don't release it when Trump just got shot at and his ratings were at its peak. You release it when there's a ripple in his base over Epstein, and the dems 100% planned that because they knew when Trump was running on releasing the list that he wouldn't be able to follow through. You can call that deceitful, sure, but the timing for such evidence can't be better from a political standpoint. The dems might even have more damning stuff, but reporting it all at once will cause fatigue from the viewers and/or overwhelm.

[Off the Court]

I hope you're not paying for the substack where you're reading these theories.

Stumbled across it on Twitter. I personally just think the Katie Johnson story is real, but that one at least seems plausible.

[Baller234]

No, that's the most basic 101 shit when it comes to politics. Information and evidence is only as valuable as using it at the right time, you don't just release this right away. You don't release it when Trump just got shot at and his ratings were at its peak. You release it when there's a ripple in his base over Epstein, and the dems 100% planned that because they knew when Trump was running on releasing the list that he wouldn't be able to follow through. You can call that deceitful, sure, but the timing for such evidence can't be better from a political standpoint. The dems might even have more damning stuff, but reporting it all at once will cause fatigue from the viewers and/or overwhelm.

You mean like during election season when this kind of thing could have torpedoed his campaign? :oldlol:

Sorry you have to be a true window licking retard to believe this real.

[Off the Court]

The birthday drawing being fake/staged would be weird IMO. It doesn't prove guilt or anything, and we already know that Trump and Epstein were good buddies.

It just seems like a strange thing for someone to think up and fake.

[ZenMaster]

Stumbled across it on Twitter. I personally just think the Katie Johnson story is real, but that one at least seems plausible.

I know, you think the Johnson allegations are real because feelings. It just hit the spot in all the right ways for you. Didn't you read the Yahoo piece about why it's very likely fake though?

[ZenMaster]

The birthday drawing being fake/staged would be weird IMO. It doesn't prove guilt or anything, and we already know that Trump and Epstein were good buddies.

It just seems like a strange thing for someone to think up and fake.

Where is the drawing even leaked from, is it part of the Epstein files or what's the story?

[j3lademaster]

You mean like during election season when this kind of thing could have torpedoed his campaign? :oldlol:

Sorry you have to be a true window licking retard to believe this real.
It would have done nothing. Every Trump voter would have just said "oh but he's running on releasing it so that can't be real".

I thought not even YOU can be this dumb, but you just never cease to amaze.

[Baller234]

It would have done nothing. Every Trump voter would have just said "oh but he's running on releasing it so that can't be real".

I thought not even YOU can be this dumb, but you just never cease to amaze.

Yea, let's wait until after he's elected president to release an incredibly damning piece of evidence. Also, let's wait until the Epstein becomes the #1 media story because we have a crystal ball and know for certain that's going to happen.

[Off the Court]

I know, you think the Johnson allegations are real because feelings. It just hit the spot in all the right ways for you. Didn't you read the Yahoo piece about why it's very likely fake though?

Right feelings. But no, it's probably real because f@#king DUH :roll:

We crossed the line a long time ago where it is now only MAGA cultists who are defending the obvious over their feelings.

[Off the Court]

Where is the drawing even leaked from, is it part of the Epstein files or what's the story?

I don't think it has been released yet

[Lakers Legend#32]

Major dilemma for Poopsie and his merry band of IHS MAGA Fat Pack.

1. Do they admit that the liberals were right about Trump?

or

2. Do they continue to support a pedo president?

Have you all not been paying attention for the last ten years?

[Lakers Legend#32]

Your average Gen-Zer doesn’t know that until 2007, Republicans had a pedophile — Dennis Hastert — as Speaker of the House.

Then there’s Roy Moore, Matt Gaetz, and Jim Jordan. All have a pedo scandal.

That’s a pattern.

[warriorfan]

Yea, let's wait until after he's elected president to release an incredibly damning piece of evidence. Also, let's wait until the Epstein becomes the #1 media story because we have a crystal ball and know for certain that's going to happen.

:lol

[Patrick Chewing]

Yea, let's wait until after he's elected president to release an incredibly damning piece of evidence. Also, let's wait until the Epstein becomes the #1 media story because we have a crystal ball and know for certain that's going to happen.

These people are idiots :oldlol:

[diamenz]

if trump would have just said that the Democrats destroyed all of the evidence, would you have bought it? at the least it would have been a much better political strategy than the route he's taken. it would have put up quite the brick wall anyway.