NFL Season 2025

[warriorfan]

Henry's yards per carry the THREE years prior to joining the Ravens

4.3
4.4
4.3

Comes to the Ravens and has a career high BY FAR of 5.9 ypc and very well may break that this year. Henry is turning 32 in a few months, this trajectory leads back to one thing - being in the same backfield as Lamar Jackson.

Nobody gets significantly more efficient by themselves at age 30-32 with all the milage and carries he had prior to age 30.

Nobody is Derrick Henry. He’s a one off, a true outlier.

He gets a plus from playing in a much better offense, but he’s not your average 30+ year old RB. Jackson of course had some play in this but slow your roll. You are overstating things a lot.

[Carbine]

The NFL running back position does not work this way. Ever.

Guys don't magically get better after 30 years old having the amount of wear and tear he has had leading up to 30 years old.

If you want to chalk it up to Henry becoming magically BETTER after 30 with his track record of carries, go for it.

I'm going to look at this logically and say NO, running backs do not get better individually as they age. He may as well be a 40 year old NBA player right now.

I know reading comprehension is a weak part of most people here so I want to make sure you understand I am not saying Lamar makes Henry. Anyone call tell Henry is still an excellent back and when he gets a lane he makes the most of it. The point is he gets more lanes to run through because of Lamar and the amount of defensive attention he demands in the run game.

It's not different than your hero and Idol Steph Curry. His gravity helps others. Lamar has gravity in the run game.

[tontoz]

Watching the game now. Ravens are up 15 with the ball with 9 minutes left. How TF did they lose lol?

Ravens do have a knack for snatching defeat from the jaws of victory.

[warriorfan]

The NFL running back position does not work this way. Ever.

Guys don't magically get better after 30 years old having the amount of wear and tear he has had leading up to 30 years old.

If you want to chalk it up to Henry becoming magically BETTER after 30 with his track record of carries, go for it.

I'm going to look at this logically and say NO, running backs do not get better individually as they age. He may as well be a 40 year old NBA player right now.

I know reading comprehension is a weak part of most people here so I want to make sure you understand I am not saying Lamar makes Henry. Anyone call tell Henry is still an excellent back and when he gets a lane he makes the most of it. The point is he gets more lanes to run through because of Lamar and the amount of defensive attention he demands in the run game.

It's not different than your hero and Idol Steph Curry. His gravity helps others. Lamar has gravity in the run game.

List a few running backs that compare to Derrick Henry in size and style

lol

[SouBeachTalents]

The NFL running back position does not work this way. Ever.

Guys don't magically get better after 30 years old having the amount of wear and tear he has had leading up to 30 years old.

If you want to chalk it up to Henry becoming magically BETTER after 30 with his track record of carries, go for it.

I'm going to look at this logically and say NO, running backs do not get better individually as they age. He may as well be a 40 year old NBA player right now.

I know reading comprehension is a weak part of most people here so I want to make sure you understand I am not saying Lamar makes Henry. Anyone call tell Henry is still an excellent back and when he gets a lane he makes the most of it. The point is he gets more lanes to run through because of Lamar and the amount of defensive attention he demands in the run game.

It's not different than your hero and Idol Steph Curry. His gravity helps others. Lamar has gravity in the run game.
He didn't quite have the wear and tear of Henry, but Tiki Barber legitimately peaked in his early 30's and scrapped his fumbling problem.

[1987_Lakers]

Titans had a beast oline in Henrys peak and here he is at his age 31 season averaging a half yard more than he ever did in his career prior and right now he's averaging what, 10 yards a carry? 9? For last night's game

Lamar Jackson is the single biggest reason for this. Henry would tell you that himself
You act is if Henry didn’t have a 2,000 yard season on over 5 yards per carry when he was on the Titans

Titans had arguably the worst O-line in 2023, despite that Henry still rushed for over 1,000 yards and had double digit touchdowns. Playing with Lamar and a better O-line makes it easier for him, but Henry isn’t just some regular RB. :lol

The way he takes care of himself with his diet and workouts is pretty known, and he didn’t really become a starter in this league until his 3rd year when he was already 24. He has less wear compared to other RBs his age.

[Carbine]

He didn't quite have the wear and tear of Henry, but Tiki Barber legitimately peaked in his early 30's and scrapped his fumbling problem.

Tiki had 600 carries entering his age 27 season. Henry had more than that in two years......

[tpols]

I just flipped to the previous page and saw that the other guy started the whole "go read a book" thing so I take back my post.

That was an inside joke.

GOBB apparently likes to read books, which he admitted and we have it on file.

Nobody knew this prior, but it does give an insight to his psyche. Hes more sophisticated than any of us previously thought.

[Carbine]

You act is if Henry didn’t have a 2,000 yard season on over 5 yards per carry when he was on the Titans

Titans had arguably the worst O-line in 2023, despite that Henry still rushed for over 1,000 yards and had double digit touchdowns. Playing with Lamar and a better O-line makes it easier for him, but Henry isn’t just some regular RB. :lol

The way he takes care of himself with his diet and workouts is pretty known, and he didn’t really become a starter in this league until his 3rd year when he was already 24. He has less wear compared to other RBs his age.

Less wear compared to others his age?

What?

He has 500 more carries than anyone in the league currently for their careers. His milage is above and beyond.

[1987_Lakers]

Less wear compared to others his age?

What?

He has 500 more carries than anyone in the league currently for their careers. His milage is above and beyond.

Zeke Elliot for example is around the same age as Henry, he had nearly 500 more carries than Henry in their first 6 years. And as Zeke got older he would come into camp out of shape at times, didn't take care of his body the same way Henry did.

[Carbine]

Zeke was done being elite by his age 25 season

[Hey Yo]

Considering Lamar had a career year last season throwing for over 4100yds... you could easily make the argument that Derrick Henry is the reason for that happening and the threat he brings on offense. Much more open field for the WR to work with, easier for Lamar to find there open man

[warriorfan]

Zeke was done being elite by his age 25 season
Henry = Elliott. They are built different.



List a few running backs that compare to Derrick Henry in size and style

lol

Btw still waiting on that list lol

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8dOdUForpQ

[Hey Yo]

Game's boring as hell...

[warriorfan]

Henry = Elliott. They are built different.




Btw still waiting on that list lol

mean to say henry does not equal elliot

main point is while it’s true most running backs fade hard in late 20’s, henry is an outlier so you can’t compare him to other guys

[1987_Lakers]

Guys don't magically get better after 30 years old having the amount of wear and tear he has had leading up to 30 years old.

It's very rare, Barber has been discussed.

Walter Payton was probably the best RB in the league from ages 30-32. Holmes had 27 TDs at age 30 and looked great at age 31 up until he got injured mid-season. Corey Dillion probably had his best season at age 30 with the Patriots. John Riggins had his best season at age 34, with rushing 24 TDs. Curtis Martin had his best season at age 31 when he rushed 1700 yards.

[1987_Lakers]

Caleb Williams 💅

[Patrick Chewing]

Any Jets fans here? Any thoughts on Rodgers coming back and torching us??

[Doomsday Dallas]

Any Jets fans here? Any thoughts on Rodgers coming back and torching us??



KC, Bills, Ravens..... all contenders.

but after that... I think Rodgers comes in at having the 4th best chance to get to the SB in the AFC, about even with Cincy... don't sleep on Rodgers this year.

Chargers might be a force....

I really need to go back and watch the Miami/Colts game to see what the hell happened there... Is Miami a garbage team now, or are the Colts improving?

I don't have any faith in Jacksonville... but it's still possible they could pull off a surprise. Same could be said for Denver & Houston.



week 1 Doomsday power rankings:

Tier 1: KC, Bills, Balt
Tier 2: Pitt, LAC, Cincy
Tier 3: Jax, Den, Hou
Tier 4: everyone else

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3VSefIXvxs

[1987_Lakers]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3VSefIXvxs

AI getting crazy.

[TheMan]

Pretty soon we won't be able to distinguish real videos from AI created ones, so we ain't even gonna believe real shit online anymore. Aliens finally reveal themselves...AI!!!

[tontoz]

Ravens have blown 17 double digit leads with Harbaugh as a coach, most in the league since 1991.

[GOBB]

“We don't win this game unless J.J. plays the way he did in the second half,” O'Connell said. “Most importantly, he kept the belief of this football team behind him, and now, we know it's possible. You hope to not be in these circumstances very often. But this team's made of the right stuff.”

Hahaha Man watch out

[tpols]

Ravens have blown 17 double digit leads with Harbaugh as a coach, most in the league since 1991.

The Ravens style has always been to run you down. They cant throw. So that shows up in the 4Q.

[tontoz]

The Racens style has always been to run you down. They cant throw. So that shows up in the 4Q.

Its like how Kobe is > Lebron.

i don't think that's the issue. Lamar has a ton of passing yards and when you are playing from ahead you want to run the ball anyway.

I think some of it is situational awareness. If you look at their last possession all they needed was one first down and the game was over. They run a sweep to Flowers instead of going to Lamar/Henry who have dominated all game. Then they complete a pass on 3rd down but it was well short of a first down. That is low IQ.

[tpols]

Pretty soon we won't be able to distinguish real videos from AI created ones, so we ain't even gonna believe real shit online anymore. Aliens finally reveal themselves...AI!!!

This is all a simulation of photons... but yea. Its gonna be super easy to frame people with AI.

[tpols]

i don't think that's the issue. Lamar has a ton of passing yards and when you are playing from ahead you want to run the ball anyway.

I think some of it is situational awareness. If you look at their last possession all they needed was one first down and the game was over. They run a sweep to Flowers instead of going to Lamar/Henry who have dominated all game. Then they complete a pass on 3rd down but it was well short of a first down. That is low IQ.

Its definitely the issue bro.

Lamar is a wild scrambler and is average at best throwing the ball compared to elite passing QBs. That lack of fine motor control passing the ball has bit him in the ass a bunch in his career. Especially in the playoffs where it matters most.

[GOBB]

i don't think that's the issue. Lamar has a ton of passing yards and when you are playing from ahead you want to run the ball anyway.

I think some of it is situational awareness. If you look at their last possession all they needed was one first down and the game was over. They run a sweep to Flowers instead of going to Lamar/Henry who have dominated all game. Then they complete a pass on 3rd down but it was well short of a first down. That is low IQ.

Someone who actually watched the game and makes sense. Guys just be throwing shyt against the wall in here hoping it sticks.

#blameLamar

[tontoz]

Its definitely the issue bro.

Lamar is a wild scrambler and is average at best throwing the ball compared to elite passing QBs. That lack of fine motor control passing the ball has bit him in the ass a bunch in his career. Especially in the playoffs where it matters most.


Last season Lamar was 6th in passing yards and 1st in passer rating. He seems to tighten up in the playoffs but in the regular season his passing has been good enough for 2 MVPs, and you could argue that he was better last year than in his MVP years.

[tontoz]

Interesting game last night. Caleb is certainly talented, very athletic with a strong arm, but looks like more of a project than was expected. He doesn't seem to process the game that well and overthrew his guys several times. Might take a few years for him to hit his stride

Odd game for JJ. He struggled for 3 quarters, throwing a pick 6 in the 3rd, then showed out in the 4th. Curious to see how he turns out. Rumor is that he was 2nd on the Bears draft board.

[Wally450]

The Packers' defense is killing it right now. First two games holding opponents to under 250 yards total. TOTAL!

Just gotta make sure Micah stays healthy. That defense made Jayden Daniels look completely uncomfortable.

[ShawkFactory]

The Packers' defense is killing it right now. First two games holding opponents to under 250 yards total. TOTAL!

Just gotta make sure Micah stays healthy. That defense made Jayden Daniels look completely uncomfortable.

Two great offenses too. We're not talking the Saints and Browns.

[GOBB]

Joe burrow n went down to toe injury. Trevor Lawrence has 3 tds so far. A 4th was just dropped yikes.

[Doomsday Dallas]

This Cowboys Giants game is insane.

Overtime

[GOBB]

Giants vs Cowboys is why you don’t crown a week 1 game as GAME OF THE YEAR. Didn’t think you could top the bills vs ravens game huh? Pfft

[warriorfan]

Giants fans must be pulling their hair out. Wild game.

[tontoz]

Yeah that is a tough loss to swallow.

[Wally450]

What endings to the 1pm window.

[1987_Lakers]

Burrow might be out 3 months. That sucks.

[FultzNationRISE]

The amount of dancing after literally every single play at this point is insane. Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not really tryin to watch guys in tights shimmy their pelvis and rub their bodies every time they make a tackle or pick up a first down.

I already know GOBB will reflexively see this as some kind of attack on black people and he'll insist it's great television to see guys in tight pants shimmy their pelvis and rub their bodies 30 times a game. But does anyone else feel this makes the broadcasts less appealing?

[warriorfan]

The amount of dancing after literally every single play at this point is insane. Maybe I'm in the minority but I'm not really tryin to watch guys in tights shimmy their pelvis and rub their bodies every time they make a tackle or pick up a first down.

I already know GOBB will reflexively see this as some kind of attack on black people and he'll insist it's great television to see guys in tight pants shimmy their pelvis and rub their bodies 30 times a game. But does anyone else feel this makes the broadcasts less appealing?

I havnt really noticed even though the second part of your post is spot on. I like celebrations to a point, it conveys a passion for the game. And it also shows you who are the old school G’s who go by the “act like you’ve been there before” and the other guys. I think they should let them do whatever they want and it help separates players and give them their own identities. Some wanna be the show out shit talker. Some are gonna be the silent assassin. Gives variance and overall makes it more interesting. Sports in the end is an expression of your inner self.

Gobb bout to go full white woman on your ass though.

[Doomsday Dallas]

C'mon Raiders.... get back in the game!

[Doomsday Dallas]

Nevermind... Raiders are still $hitty football team, Chargers are legit.

[ShawkFactory]

Herbert looks spot-on to start the year. If he's truly made a leap then the Chargers will be a very difficult out.

[Hey Yo]

Stat shown in the 4th quarter last night about Geno.

He was 0-10 on passes that went 10+ yards in the air with 3 interceptions. He was flat out awful last night.

[Wally450]

3 blocked FGs in like a 5 minute span at the end of the 1pm games. Insane.

[GOBB]

This might be the best defense on lamar I’ve seen in a minute. The lions are getting after it wow. Great job and they are running at the ravens up the gut easy. But hats off to lions defense sheesh.

[ShawkFactory]

This might be the best defense on lamar I’ve seen in a minute. The lions are getting after it wow. Great job and they are running at the ravens up the gut easy. But hats off to lions defense sheesh.

Incredibly disciplined play in the second half. Kept him in the pocket and when he got out they swarmed and didn't bite on anything.

[GOBB]

Giants announce Dart will start. Yikes

Also watching Jeanty run behind the Oakland OL is sad.

[tontoz]

Giants announce Dart will start. Yikes

Also watching Jeanty run behind the Oakland OL is sad.


Drafting a small school RB at 6 is dubious. So is starting Dart against that Chargers defense. Wait a week and he can get his first start against the Aints.

[1987_Lakers]

Drafting a small school RB at 6 is dubious. So is starting Dart against that Chargers defense. Wait a week and he can get his first start against the Aints.

Im not a big fan of drafting a RB in the top 10, but the best RB ever Walter Payton came from a small school. Tomlinson also came from a small school.

O-line is trash besides Kolton Miller, who funny enough has had a solid career after many thought Gruden reached when they drafted him at #15.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Giants announce Dart will start. Yikes

Also watching Jeanty run behind the Oakland OL is sad.


Dude is becoming an embarrassment to me in my Fantasy league... I should've known better than to pick him at 7.

non ppr... but still, should've gone with Jacobs, Taylor, or Achane if I wanted a RB at #7.

and then my dumb@ss takes Nabers in the 2nd round.



This is becoming the worst Fantasy team I've ever constructed.

[1987_Lakers]

These new taunting penalties are ridiculous.

[1987_Lakers]

My God, Ravens are ass. They were my favorites to reach the super bowl. Already have a shit ton of starters injured and about to go 1-3.

Jeanty finally waking up. :rockon:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Nabers was on my fantasy team...

he plays in the NFC East so I'm not too upset... Still got D.Adams and Sutton to work with.


Raiders should've won that game.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Cowboys bout to get massacred at home.

This will be interesting.


Would obviously love to see some kind of upset... but the Packers about to hurt us.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Cowboys bout to get massacred at home.

This will be interesting.


Would obviously love to see some kind of upset... but the Packers about to hurt us.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Alright.... we have the lead at halftime.

16-13

[GOBB]

Guess Dallas is going to go back next week to lookin like crap

[GOBB]

Going to be a lot of candidates for game of the year.

[1987_Lakers]

Going to be a lot of candidates for game of the year.

Not this one.

A tie. :oldlol:

[Doomsday Dallas]

Had a feeling that was going to happen.... This is the first Cowboy's tie game that I can remember.

NY game was almost a tie too.

stupid.... change the Overtime rules please.

[Doomsday Dallas]

I'd rather lose the game than tie.

[SouBeachTalents]

The Cowboys defense has allowed 1,100 yards and 11 touchdowns through the air the last 3 weeks. I can't imagine historically a team has done any worse. You might not even see that in Madden.

[1987_Lakers]

Ties are the worst. I didn't watch this entire game, but I remember watching the entire 49ers-Rams game back in like 2012 that ended in a tie. Felt like I just wasted 4 hours of my life.

[SouBeachTalents]

What's crazy to me is there are some players who literally don't know games can end in a tie, something I knew since I was 9 years old. Najee Harris was a rookie so while still ridiculous, I could give him a pass. But Donovan McNabb was like in his 10th season and he somehow didn't know that.

[GOBB]

No logical reason to do a tie. Play another quarter first team scores wins.

[GOBB]

Hill career over. Go ahead and be a streamer. You made your money. Going to Miami wasn’t all the wise from a wins perspective. Should’ve stayed in KC.

[FultzNationRISE]

No logical reason to do a tie. Play another quarter first team scores wins.

Easy for fans to say. We're not the ones taking hits from 300 pound dudes :lol

[Patrick Chewing]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/ht-img/img/2025/09/30/550x309/Tyreek_Hill_injury_1759194806726_1759194813130.png

[SouBeachTalents]

Is anybody satisfied with the current onside kick rules in place? Do fans, players, coaches enjoy a play that has a 3% chance of succeeding?

[GOBB]

Easy for fans to say. We're not the ones taking hits from 300 pound dudes :lol

Right because players not only are ok with ties. They don’t want to play til their is a victor. Please shut up. The college OT format leaves no one crying or complaining about “300lb dudes hitting me”.

[GOBB]

Easy for fans to say. We're not the ones taking hits from 300 pound dudes :lol

https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nfl/columnist/bell/2025/09/29/dallas-cowboys-green-bay-packers-overtime-nfl-tie/86421850007/


So it’s not longer easy for me the fan to say…

[GOBB]

https://www.hindustantimes.com/ht-img/img/2025/09/30/550x309/Tyreek_Hill_injury_1759194806726_1759194813130.png

Not that it bothers me per say. But why do you/folks like you enjoy posting graphic photos?

[GOBB]

Is anybody satisfied with the current onside kick rules in place? Do fans, players, coaches enjoy a play that has a 3% chance of succeeding?

I never gave it much of a thought honestly. You’re not a fan of it given the % of success? What’s your alternative or suggestion (to increase the odds)?

[tontoz]

Not that it bothers me per say. But why do you/folks like you enjoy posting graphic photos?



I never watch injury replays any more. Knowing how hard guys train to prepare for the season and they have that happen..... i am not watching that.

[Doomsday Dallas]

Not that it bothers me per say. But why do you/folks like you enjoy posting graphic photos?


I don't enjoy watching the injury.... but it's apart of the game...

I had T.Hill on one of my FF teams... I was kinda interested in how bad it looked.

I heard J.Conner's was bad... haven't seen that one.



But yea... it's like a guarantee every week a star player is gonna go down for the season.

(Another Reason why I don't like paying a DE $180+ mil.... you only risk that kind of money on a QB)

[warriorfan]

Gobb is having an estrogen spike again

What’s new.

[Doomsday Dallas]

49ers have injuries everywhere and are still playing good football.

Hard to watch.

[Doomsday Dallas]

https://y.yarn.co/4fef5e49-fa3e-4c27-ad49-fbe816a57be8_text.gif

[highwhey]

Not that it bothers me per say. But why do you/folks like you enjoy posting graphic photos?

you're quoting a racist...so i'd say he does enjoy that sort of thing.

[FultzNationRISE]

Giants trade back into first rd pick. Uh oh.

They took dart. What a fail lol


Giants announce Dart will start. Yikes




Lmao

[GOBB]

Giants lost today with Dart at QB. Roffles


Anyway eagles shyt the bed today. 4th quarter meltdown.

[highwhey]

cardinals shat the bed, a pattern

wonder how long before leadership makes a move to replace the qb.

[Patrick Chewing]

I don't even know why I wake up on Sundays anymore

[GOBB]

cardinals shat the bed, a pattern

wonder how long before leadership makes a move to replace the qb.

That loss was so bad someone should lose a job, get demoted etc

[highwhey]

That loss was so bad someone should lose a job, get demoted etc

i agree, preferably kyler but we know thats not gonna happen in the season

[SouBeachTalents]

The Mark Sanchez story is legitimately one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard.

[Wally450]

49ers have injuries everywhere and are still playing good football.

Hard to watch.

The anti Baltimore Ravens.

[JohnnySic]

The Chiefs are on the way down and the Patriots are on the way up. The world is healing.

[GOBB]

The Mark Sanchez story is legitimately one of the most bizarre things I've ever heard.

Yeah while I’m kind of not that interested in the latest pod episode of an athlete just talking. I would clock on mark Sanchez explaining that night. It’s an unbelievable, tragic, funny story all wrapped into one. I’m sure he was intoxicated but how bad and if under the influence of anything else? But alcohol was involved ain’t no way about it. The old guy is pretty messed up from an optics standpoint. Heck he’s 69 what the hell am I saying. He’s messed up.

[Wally450]

The Chiefs are on the way down and the Patriots are on the way up. The world is healing.


If they don't beat themselves, there's no reason why they can't be 7-2 heading into the Bucs game. Their schedule is booty cheeks soft the next 4 weeks.

[tontoz]

https://x.com/Barstooldmv/status/1975591762606354795?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5 Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1975591762606354795%7Ctwgr% 5E%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=

[FultzNationRISE]

Giants trade back into first rd pick. Uh oh.

They took dart. What a fail lol

Giants announce Dart will start. Yikes


https://media1.tenor.com/m/0a3_gZNC23gAAAAC/jack-nicholson-acteur.gif

[FultzNationRISE]

How we doin Gobblet?

Btw how bout your boy Shedeur showin out this week on the Cleveland scout team. Like a bawse.

Giants absolutely kicking themselves over the Dart fail.

[tontoz]

Dart had as many rushing yards as Barkley :lol

How do the Giants score 34 points without Nabers?

[GOBB]

Dart had as many rushing yards as Barkley :lol

How do the Giants score 34 points without Nabers?

Well when you spam the tush push and not hand it to Barkley that can happen. Plus no Jalen Carter.

And about 34pts? Not hard when players quit. The cons of being defending champs is not only having a bullseye on your back. But seeing who fights thru adversity. Who still has SB win hangover. Plus whoever is calling the game on offense is bad. Reminds me when eagles signed Brian Johnson. Offense so bad.

[tontoz]

Well when you spam the tush push and not hand it to Barkley that can happen. Plus no Jalen Carter.

And about 34pts? Not hard when players quit. The cons of being defending champs is not only having a bullseye on your back. But seeing who fights thru adversity. Who still has SB win hangover. Plus whoever is calling the game on offense is bad. Reminds me when eagles signed Brian Johnson. Offense so bad.


I was wondering what your take was on the OC. The offense has been bizarre even before this game.

When i eventually watched the game i was like WTF Barkley had 30 yards on the first two plays. How did he end up with only 58? Did they just forget about him? Very strange.

[highwhey]

i have to give props to this cardinals team vertically, from top to bottom they are one of the most consistent franchises in the league at putting out trash performances year after year.

[1987_Lakers]

Cam Ward is ass.

[FultzNationRISE]

Cam Ward is ass.

The over drafting of quarterbacks in the NFL is as reliable as the sun rising in the East.

[ShawkFactory]

Cam Ward is ass.

There is absolutely no possible way to tell whether he's good or not right now. They have an awful OL, can't run the ball, don't have any weapons of note, and have a poor scheme in general.

Judging a #1 overall pick after 5 games is very silly. There's a reason they're picking #1 overall and it isn't like a 2011 Colts or 1997 Spurs situation.

They are a very bad team. Give it some time.

[ShawkFactory]

The over drafting of quarterbacks in the NFL is as reliable as the sun rising in the East.

Not always. People are getting wiser now.

Just 3 years ago (I think?) only Kenny Pickett went in the first and he was the only one I believe drafted in the first 2 rounds. Bad QB class I know but I think Trubisky changed the thought process slightly.

Cam is extremely talented and if things shape up can certainly succeed. The issue is thinking that drafting a quarterback at #1 is going to have you go from bad to good right away.

[1987_Lakers]

There is absolutely no possible way to tell whether he's good or not right now. They have an awful OL, can't run the ball, don't have any weapons of note, and have a poor scheme in general.

Judging a #1 overall pick after 5 games is very silly. There's a reason they're picking #1 overall and it isn't like a 2011 Colts or 1997 Spurs situation.

They are a very bad team. Give it some time.

Titans offensive line actually improved this off-season, right now they are middle of the pack. I know he has no weapons but to put only 10 points on this Raiders defense is bad.

This fumble was embarrassing.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YwFhCO2xcLA

[Hey Yo]

Manning only won 3gms his rookie year... just sayin'

[GOBB]

Whelp baker is the leading mvp candidate thus far. What a turnaround.


There is absolutely no possible way to tell whether he's good or not right now. They have an awful OL, can't run the ball, don't have any weapons of note, and have a poor scheme in general.

Judging a #1 overall pick after 5 games is very silly. There's a reason they're picking #1 overall and it isn't like a 2011 Colts or 1997 Spurs situation.

They are a very bad team. Give it some time.

Agreed

[1987_Lakers]

Manning only won 3gms his rookie year... just sayin'

He also broke the rookie record for most passing yards and TD passes at the time, also INTs, but still...the promise was there :lol

Obviously it's still too early to judge Ward, but so far it doesn't look good.

[GOBB]

The browns thought baker Mayfield was ass too. And now look…

[ShawkFactory]

Titans offensive line actually improved this off-season, right now they are middle of the pack. I know he has no weapons but to put only 10 points on this Raiders defense is bad.

This fumble was embarrassing.

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/YwFhCO2xcLA

Okay maybe the line isn't that bad. It also isn't good so that doesn't help.

There's also a HUGE intangible factor with rookies QBs and the coaching staff that shouldn't go unnoticed. The way someone can gel or not with the OC in particular is very important. It doesn't seem like the vibes are good in general with them at the moment and I don't believe it's Cam's fault at all.

Think of all of the best quarterbacks you've seen. All were drafted into or ultimately came into very good situations. Brady with Belicheck, Mahomes with Reid, Manning with Dungy (that one is a little flimsier but it's Peyton), Brees getting with Payton, etc.

Luck plays a big factor and we need to wait and see how things shake out.

As GOBB mentioned, look at Baker right now. Playing like a top 5 guy in the league and probably leading the MVP race, even though Allen and Mahomes will probably be the top 2 at the end of course.

[warriorfan]

Fred Warner going down was pretty tragic. Tough day for Niner fans. It’s a homer take but I’ve thought Warner should have gotten more talk for DPOY in some
of the past years when he was healthy. Niners defense collapsed after he went out.

[1987_Lakers]

Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.

[warriorfan]

Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.

He’s always been a good but not elite QB but he has been consistent with stepping up when needed. He’s a big time over achiever or might simply be underrated depending on how you look at it.

[John8204]

Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.

17th on the all-time wins list with one more win he passes Terry Bradshaw, he's already passed Bart Starr, Troy Aikman, and Jim Kelly.

Russell Wilson plays for good teams and fails, Joe Flacco plays for bad teams and wins...Russ is likely going to make the Hall and Joe isn't. Meanwhile you know what team really needs a backup QB every season...The Baltimore F'N Ravens.

Meanwhile the guy ahead of Joe on the wins list is Matt Stafford so he's not going to pass him

[GOBB]

17th on the all-time wins list with one more win he passes Terry Bradshaw, he's already passed Bart Starr, Troy Aikman, and Jim Kelly.

Russell Wilson plays for good teams and fails, Joe Flacco plays for bad teams and wins...Russ is likely going to make the Hall and Joe isn't. Meanwhile you know what team really needs a backup QB every season...The Baltimore F'N Ravens.

Meanwhile the guy ahead of Joe on the wins list is Matt Stafford so he's not going to pass him

First QBs ages are irrelevant in today’s game. 40 in 2025 is not 40 in 1995. The new rules are a direct result of QBs being able to play longer than expected or have a sudden drop off in production. Calling Russell a loser whereas Flacco is a winner is strange. Flacco record away from Baltimore isn’t “winner” status by any means. Also majority of his “wins” in were in Baltimore where defense was a priority for the most part. And before you counter with Seattle defense. Keep in mind you’re saying Russ is a loser and Flacco is a winner. And I’m sure Russ has won more in Seattle than Flacco has in Baltimore.

[tpols]

Joe Flacco has had one of the strangest NFL careers.

Was never a top tier QB, but had an insane playoff run to win a super bowl. Has been a backup for the last 7 years or so, but these last couple of years every time he starts a game he seems to play better than he did for most of Ravens days. Dude is 40 now.


Hes a boss like Eli Manning and thats coming from an Eagles fan. Old Man Winter Aaron Rodgers balled out with 4 TD passes too. Fantasy gold mine in this game.:lol

[tpols]

First QBs ages are irrelevant in today’s game. 40 in 2025 is not 40 in 1995. The new rules are a direct result of QBs being able to play longer than expected or have a sudden drop off in production. Calling Russell a loser whereas Flacco is a winner is strange. Flacco record away from Baltimore isn’t “winner” status by any means. Also majority of his “wins” in were in Baltimore where defense was a priority for the most part. And before you counter with Seattle defense. Keep in mind you’re saying Russ is a loser and Flacco is a winner. And I’m sure Russ has won more in Seattle than Flacco has in Baltimore.

Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.

[GOBB]

Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.

Russ with Denver 6594yds 42td 19int 63%comp
Russ with Steelers 2482yds 16td 5int 63% compl

Russ totals elsewhere 9,076yds 58td 24int 41gms

Flacco with Jets 2253yd 14td 6int 57.5% compl (balled out!)
Flacco with Browns 2431yds 15td 14int 59% compl (balled out!)
Flacco with colts 1761yds 12td 7 int 65% compl
Flacco with Denver 1822yds 6td 5int 65% compl

Flacco elsewhere 8,077yds 41td 33ints in 37gms

Keep talking tho.

I didn’t include the giants (Russ) and Bengals (Flacco) because the games played were 3 and 2 respectively. Pointless to even include. But carry on tho.

[GOBB]

Hes a boss like Eli Manning and thats coming from an Eagles fan. Old Man Winter Aaron Rodgers balled out with 4 TD passes too. Fantasy gold mine in this game.:lol

Eli manning is not a boss. You sound like someone that calls average chicks dimes. Now that’s a clown take.

[John8204]

Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.

We've watched Russ get pwned by Justin Fields, Bo Nix, and Jaxson Dart. Flacco on the other hand has gone to disaster teams and made them contend.

And Eli is twice the QB Russ was, it's an obscenity that he didn't go in the Hall as a first ballot guy.

[1987_Lakers]

He’s always been a good but not elite QB but he has been consistent with stepping up when needed. He’s a big time over achiever or might simply be underrated depending on how you look at it.

I wouldn't call him an overachiever per say. He was a first round pick taken in the top 20. He was always seen as an average QB for the most part, was actually below average in some seasons. I don't even think he was a better QB than Derek Carr if you are comparing their primes, Flacco just happened to step up in big moments and is now randomly playing good football at an old age.

[warriorfan]

I wouldn't call him an overachiever per say. He was a first round pick taken in the top 20. He was always seen as an average QB for the most part, was actually below average in some seasons. I don't even think he was a better QB than Derek Carr if you are comparing their primes, Flacco just happened to step up in big moments and is now randomly playing good football at an old age.

That is fair to be honest.

[GOBB]

We've watched Russ get pwned by Justin Fields, Bo Nix, and Jaxson Dart. Flacco on the other hand has gone to disaster teams and made them contend.

And Eli is twice the QB Russ was, it's an obscenity that he didn't go in the Hall as a first ballot guy.

anyone who thinks Eli manning should’ve gone first ballot doesn’t watch football with both eyes open. His only claim to fame is SB. He never was the best QB. He never made all pro teams where usually the best players at that position get selected. His stats are nothing spectacular. .500 record as a QB. TD-INT ratio isn’t great. Barely hit 60% completion for a career. Go create a hall of very good players. He’s first ballot there.

[John8204]

anyone who thinks Eli manning should’ve gone first ballot doesn’t watch football with both eyes open. His only claim to fame is SB. He never was the best QB. He never made all pro teams where usually the best players at that position get selected. His stats are nothing spectacular. .500 record as a QB. TD-INT ratio isn’t great. Barely hit 60% completion for a career. Go create a hall of very good players. He’s first ballot there.

He had a .500 because he played in a division with killers and a conference where the pro-bowl spots were always going to Brees, Rodgers, Favre. Eli played with 1 Hall of Famer who retired after they won the first title. The Giants were always going to win between 10-6 games because of Eli being an iron man whose 2 minute was the best in the league.

You put Eli on the Patriots and Brady on the Giants...and Tom Brady ain't in the league 5 years

[ShawkFactory]

anyone who thinks Eli manning should’ve gone first ballot doesn’t watch football with both eyes open. His only claim to fame is SB. He never was the best QB. He never made all pro teams where usually the best players at that position get selected. His stats are nothing spectacular. .500 record as a QB. TD-INT ratio isn’t great. Barely hit 60% completion for a career. Go create a hall of very good players. He’s first ballot there.

I mean neither were a lot of dudes who are HOFers. Hard to make All-Pro when Brady and his brother are in the league. Two of the best to ever do it.

But yea I ultimately agree. He was a Jalen Hurts level guy for a while with an awesome defense. Probably better than Hurts but he made huge plays when it truly mattered.

[1987_Lakers]

Eli was looked at as a bust his first few years in the league, he was ass. Improved big time as the years went on, pro bowl level during his prime, but he will probably make the hall of fame cause of his super bowls. From the '04 class, Big Ben & Phillip Rivers were better QBs

[FultzNationRISE]

Trevor Lawrence.... just aint that guy at the pro level.

[GOBB]

Clown take. Russ has been trash everywhere hes gone since. Where as Flacco has balled or been at least above average most of the time. Seattles defense and Marshawn Lynch were even better than anything Flacco was working with. You forgot that last part though.

Still waiting for a reply. Keep lurking tho

[tontoz]

Trevor Lawrence.... just aint that guy at the pro level.

It takes a lot of work to be a good QB. Guys who excel are guys that really want to be great. I don't think he ever cared enough to put in that level of effort.

It's like he played QB because he was supposed to.

[GOBB]

Trevor Sunshine Lawrence. So mid. You know who I do like that’s impressing me each week? Drake f*cking Maye. Never thought I’d be tuning into damn Patsies games. Any fans of his game?

[tontoz]

Trevor Sunshine Lawrence. So mid. You know who I do like that’s impressing me each week? Drake f*cking Maye. Never thought I’d be tuning into damn Patsies games. Any fans of his game?



Our big draft decision was Daniels vs Maye. I don't follow college football at all so I didn't have an opinion. Looks like we were going to get our franchise QB either way.

[John8204]

Eli was looked at as a bust his first few years in the league, he was ass. Improved big time as the years went on, pro bowl level during his prime, but he will probably make the hall of fame cause of his super bowls. From the '04 class, Big Ben & Phillip Rivers were better QBs

Yeah people crapped on Eli from day one but here's his 12 season record.

Year 2 - 11-5
Year 3 - 8-8
Year 4 - 10-6 (won the Superbowl)
Year 5 - 12-4
Year 6 - 8-8
Year 7- 10-6
Year 8 - 9-7 (won the Superbowl)
Year 9 - 9-7
Year 10 - 7-9
Year 11 - 6-10
Year 12 - 6-10
Year 13 - 11-5

Not the greatest record in the world...but you know who he did in against. Do you know who were the coaches in the NFC East at the time...Bill Parcells, Joe Gibbs, and Andy Reid. 3 of the top ten coaches of all-time 2 of the top five. He came into the league and did that as a Rookie.

He also won 2 Super Bowls...so did Jim Plunkett...lets look at the QB's he beat.

Jeff Garcia
Tony Romo
Brett Favre
Tom Brady
Matt Ryan
Aaron Rodgers
Alex Smith
Tom Brady

He beat 4 MVP's, 3 multi-time MVP's

And oh yeah only 1 of his teammates is in the Hall of Fame...who retired in his third season.

Eli Manning not being in the Hall of Fame is a robbery. Phillip Rivers wasn't even the best QB in San Diego, the team had Drew Brees, and those Chargers teams were stacked. Ben Roethlisberger played on much better teams and had the Bengals and Browns to beat up on every season.

[1987_Lakers]

Trevor Lawrence.... just aint that guy at the pro level.

The 5 QBs drafted in the first round in 2021 look terrible. Fields got benched today.

Mac Jones might have a resurgence though.

[1987_Lakers]

Dart is a dog. No quit in him.

Sean Payton is a damn moron, pretty much cost his team a touchdown by running onto the field.

[GOBB]

Hahahaha giants ass

[FultzNationRISE]

Dart is a dog. No quit in him.

Sean Payton is a damn moron, pretty much cost his team a touchdown by running onto the field.


It's clear he's gonna be a great pro, but that pick he threw when the game was otherwise gonna be over was a brutal rookie mistake. Total lack of time and score awareness.

[ShawkFactory]

Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.

[1987_Lakers]

Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.

That 2024 QB class low key looking stacked.

Caleb (Has shown some improvements this year, but still hasn't lived up to the hype)
Daniels
Maye
Nix

McCarthy hasn't really played yet and Penix doesn't look too bad either.

Just hope Daniels doesn't end up like RG3, already a couple of injuries to him this year.

[GOBB]

Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.

Not to give him 100% of the credit but the Diggs factor has to be mentioned. And it’s not taking anything away from Drake but when Diggs went to Buffalo Josh Allen excelled. And now he goes to NE Drake is excelling. Diggs was quoted saying he is not shocked at Drake Maye performance. He works hard, he’s a leader etc etc

[ShawkFactory]

Not to give him 100% of the credit but the Diggs factor has to be mentioned. And it’s not taking anything away from Drake but when Diggs went to Buffalo Josh Allen excelled. And now he goes to NE Drake is excelling. Diggs was quoted saying he is not shocked at Drake Maye performance. He works hard, he’s a leader etc etc

Yea Diggs is a high IQ and a gamer. Seems like he gels well with young quarterbacks. Don’t know what happens later though because I don’t know that he and Josh are in great terms now.

Either way though, Drake is crazy skilled and still really young. 2 years younger than Daniel’s and a year younger than Caleb Williams. He’s skyrocketing right now.

[John8204]

Matt Stafford by the way 37 years old, never an MVP, never an All-Pro might finally get those honors this year.

[JohnnySic]

Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.

Mostly agree, but the defense has been very good, and the offensive line is much improved as well. Just need to get Maye a couple of more weapons and keep improving the o-line and the Pats will be back in the picture.

[Wally450]

Drake Maye might already be a borderline elite quarterback. You obviously have to see more, particularly in the playoffs, the have that status but he makes every throw and is always making the right decision too.

They are not a talented team at all and they’re 5-2 solely on his back. And an easy schedule so far.

Their schedule is a big help. I want to see what happens when they play Tampa in a few weeks, or Buffalo later in the season.

I just happened to check their schedule again, and my god, there is maybe one more loss, maybe two on their schedule because of how bad every team is.

They could easily win 13-14 games, but ultimately lose to KC, Denver, Buffalo in the postseason. Which isn't bad, especially in a rebuilding year with a new coach.

Their record is going to be massively inflated due to their soft schedule. They still have issues with depth at receiver and running back. Those will be profound come the postseason.

[Doomsday Dallas]

RIP Cam Skattebo for the 2025 season.

[FultzNationRISE]

RIP Cam Skattebo for the 2025 season.


Goodnight sweet ankle. Youre up in Heaven with Jesus now.

[1987_Lakers]

Drake Maye is that dude.

[warriorfan]

Niners looked so bad today at every position on both offense and defense. Not being dramatic but they didn’t look like a real NFL team on a lot of snaps. They were already questionable with talent and age before the list of injuries that have happened. As of now the most explosive offensive player is Kendrick Bourne….The defense looks completely lost at all 3 levels. Might have the worst offensive line in the league which is exasperated by Mac Jones’ lack of mobility. Tough year for the Niners where their window was already slamming shut then got sped up thanks to the wild injury problems. There was an infographic during the game today where it said since 2017 the 49ers have had over 2000 games missed from players. Number 1 in NFL. Not trying to make excuses but looking at that it’s pretty out there.

[ShawkFactory]

Drake Maye is that dude.

Really really good. He might be the best and most accurate downfield thrower in the league already. Like anyone else I’ll need to see how he does in high-pressure games before anointing him in that elite category but he’s tracking in that direction.

[1987_Lakers]

Aaron Rodgers is still a serviceable/solid QB, but nowhere near what he once was as a player. It's not his fault, he is already 41, but it really puts what Brady did into perspective, he didn't join the Bucs until he was 43 and still managed to have two seasons with them where he was a top tier QB. Won a super bowl his first year and made the All-Pro team in his 2nd year at age 44.