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Meticode
06-10-2025, 08:58 PM
Well the last few days we have...
- Aaron Rodgers went to the Steelers for one year.
- The Browns are rumored to want to trade for Kirk Cousins from the Falcons because Atlanta wants to move on to Penix Jr. If this is true I find it kind of comical considering their current plethora of quarterbacks.
- Packers didn't want to pay Jaire Alexander and he got released.
Wally450
06-10-2025, 10:19 PM
Chiefs will make the Super Bowl. The Eagles I can see coming out of the NFC again.
Mask the Embiid
06-10-2025, 11:14 PM
watch the eagles end up wth Jaire lol
No reporting on S.Sanders? He show up to meeting with headphones on? Media distraction? QB controversy? Anyone? Nah? Ok.
Looking forward to seeing what the rookies for the Eagles do.
Meticode
06-10-2025, 11:57 PM
No reporting on S.Sanders? He show up to meeting with headphones on? Media distraction? QB controversy? Anyone? Nah? Ok.
Looking forward to seeing what the rookies for the Eagles do.
He threw some good passes during OTAs and people were like ooohing and ahhhing over it. That's about it.
Meticode
06-10-2025, 11:57 PM
No reporting on S.Sanders? He show up to meeting with headphones on? Media distraction? QB controversy? Anyone? Nah? Ok.
Looking forward to seeing what the rookies for the Eagles do.
He threw some good passes during OTAs and people were like ooohing and ahhhing over it. That's about it. His father was more in the news on Asante Samuel's podcast saying that all the negative reports during the pre-draft were lies. Including Sheduer's meeting with the Giants and Brian Daboll were a lie.
Which makes no sense. If he DIDN'T interview poorly during the pre-draft meetings then why did he fall several rounds from his projection?
He threw some good passes during OTAs and people were like ooohing and ahhhing over it. That's about it. His father was more in the news on Asante Samuel's podcast saying that all the negative reports during the pre-draft were lies. Including Sheduer's meeting with the Giants and Brian Daboll were a lie.
Which makes no sense. If he DIDN'T interview poorly during the pre-draft meetings then why did he fall several rounds from his projection?
It’s he said/she said. Everyone is aligning with sides. What I want to know is where the mesia distraction at. Guess that’ll happen in preseason or regular season. Because teams don’t want that distraction yanno.
Sanders has performed better than Gabriel thus far and has been saying all the right things like he normally does even tho folks said opposite.
Kirk cousins trade don’t make sense but browns gonna brown
Meticode
06-11-2025, 09:43 AM
Kirk cousins trade don’t make sense but browns gonna brown
You've never said truer words in-my-opinion.
Hey Yo
06-11-2025, 06:36 PM
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Sanders continued his strong spring, throwing a short touchdown in red-zone drills. On the play, he manipulated multiple linebackers by moving his eyes to his left before returning to his right and finding an open window to drive a pass to tight end Brenden Bates in the end zone.
Order the rings
Meticode
06-11-2025, 07:24 PM
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Order the rings
No one really knows what he'll be until his third or fourth year if he's a starter during that time. I do think he has to get out of Cleveland to have a positive career though.
Hey Yo
06-13-2025, 04:36 AM
MIAMI -- Law enforcement in Miami-Dade County is seeking to arrest former NFL wide receiver Antonio Brown on a charge of attempted murder, according to a warrant reviewed by The Washington Post.
The charge stems from a shooting Brown was allegedly involved in during a celebrity boxing event in Miami last month. The warrant shows a charge of attempted murder with a firearm; it also instructs Brown to post a $10,000 bond and remain on house arrest until trial, according to The Post.
According to the warrant, witnesses told police officers that Brown was the shooter, and two shell casings were found at the scene. Brown was unarmed at the time he was detained, but the man he allegedly punched during the altercation told police that Brown "began to run toward him with a firearm" after the fight had already been broken up and shot at him twice.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45503522/ex-wr-antonio-brown-sought-attempted-murder-charge-report-says
Meticode
06-13-2025, 05:44 PM
MIAMI -- Law enforcement in Miami-Dade County is seeking to arrest former NFL wide receiver Antonio Brown on a charge of attempted murder, according to a warrant reviewed by The Washington Post.
The charge stems from a shooting Brown was allegedly involved in during a celebrity boxing event in Miami last month. The warrant shows a charge of attempted murder with a firearm; it also instructs Brown to post a $10,000 bond and remain on house arrest until trial, according to The Post.
According to the warrant, witnesses told police officers that Brown was the shooter, and two shell casings were found at the scene. Brown was unarmed at the time he was detained, but the man he allegedly punched during the altercation told police that Brown "began to run toward him with a firearm" after the fight had already been broken up and shot at him twice.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45503522/ex-wr-antonio-brown-sought-attempted-murder-charge-report-says
I've followed him on X for a short period of time. The man is insanely lost in his life. Definition of a narcissist and he craves the attention though. It'll be interesting because on X Brown said he was jumped.
Hey Yo
06-18-2025, 06:08 PM
No reporting on S.Sanders? He show up to meeting with headphones on? Media distraction? QB controversy? Anyone?
STRONGSVILLE, Ohio (WJW) — The Fox 8 I-Team has learned Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders was pulled over early Tuesday morning for allegedly driving over 100 mph.
According to Strongsville police records, an officer stopped Sanders on 71 North around 12:24 a.m. on June 17. A report states Sanders was driving 101 mph, 41 miles over the posted speed limit.
He was issued a citation. He can choose to fight the ticket in court, or he can just pay a fine.
https://fox8.com/news/first-on-fox-browns-rookie-qb-cited-for-speeding-over-100-mph/
Dumb
Meticode
06-18-2025, 06:12 PM
STRONGSVILLE, Ohio (WJW) — The Fox 8 I-Team has learned Cleveland Browns rookie quarterback Shedeur Sanders was pulled over early Tuesday morning for allegedly driving over 100 mph.
According to Strongsville police records, an officer stopped Sanders on 71 North around 12:24 a.m. on June 17. A report states Sanders was driving 101 mph, 41 miles over the posted speed limit.
He was issued a citation. He can choose to fight the ticket in court, or he can just pay a fine.
https://fox8.com/news/first-on-fox-browns-rookie-qb-cited-for-speeding-over-100-mph/
Dumb
Dumb yes, but it's pretty normal for young men with lots of money to do stupid stuff like this. If you're caught going 30+ over in Ohio that's a 4 point penalty out of 12 until you lose your license.
Dumb yes, but it's pretty normal for young men with lots of money to do stupid stuff like this. If you're caught going 30+ over in Ohio that's a 4 point penalty out of 12 until you lose your license.
You don’t need lots of money to speed. Men with all kinds of incomes do it. Generally around that time 12-5am as the roads can be clear of traffic and you push it. In fact I’ve traveled during the day with traffic going 85 in a 65 or 55mph speed zone. And guess who speeds by me? Someone else. To think everyone is riding the actual speed limit throughout the day is someone who sits at home too much. Some roads you know where they will be posted. Some you don’t. Most times you do your 100 and get to wherever you need be without any issue. I’m not going to get on a soap box about Sanders doing 100 when Joe bag of doughnuts is doing it right now and his buddy will be doing it in 1am.
In more important news ravens signed Jaire ouch I’m hurt Alexander. When available he’s good but you know how that goes. Playing on a cheap 1yr deal at his age he may be lookin to have a career year. At least try too. Him and Marlon on madden will be nice. Real life they could too.
Also Jason kelce feels he has CTE. :(
Meticode
06-18-2025, 07:25 PM
It's almost a requirement for NFL players to speed and get cited for it.
He almost went as fast as his lottery number pick was.
Meticode
06-18-2025, 07:27 PM
You don’t need lots of money to speed. Men with all kinds of incomes do it. Generally around that time 12-5am as the roads can be clear of traffic and you push it. In fact I’ve traveled during the day with traffic going 85 in a 65 or 55mph speed zone. And guess who speeds by me? Someone else. To think everyone is riding the actual speed limit throughout the day is someone who sits at home too much. Some roads you know where they will be posted. Some you don’t. Most times you do your 100 and get to wherever you need be without any issue. I’m not going to get on a soap box about Sanders doing 100 when Joe bag of doughnuts is doing it right now and his buddy will be doing it in 1am.
Saw your name and didn't read one word.
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Dude be lying for no reason. You can’t be weird your entire life. Then again the white guru growing up in da hood homie with the black girlfriend yo. I really seent it all mayne. You’re a real life Druski white boy skit. I’ll continue laughing.
Meticode
06-18-2025, 07:34 PM
Henry Riggs III got a special release from prison to speak at an event and personally apologized to the family he killed in a car wreck going 156mph.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45534886/apologetic-henry-ruggs-speaks-hope-prisoners-event
1987_Lakers
06-18-2025, 11:44 PM
Henry Riggs III got a special release from prison to speak at an event and personally apologized to the family he killed in a car wreck going 156mph.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45534886/apologetic-henry-ruggs-speaks-hope-prisoners-event
Shame how he ended up in that situation. He wasn't even a low character guy, teammates liked him, just made some awful choices that night.
This is the play I will always remember when people mention Ruggs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt1bx1Fe93E
Meticode
06-19-2025, 09:37 AM
Shame how he ended up in that situation. He wasn't even a low character guy, teammates liked him, just made some awful choices that night.
This is the play I will always remember when people mention Ruggs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt1bx1Fe93E
Imagine you're driving at 3:40 in the morning, with your dog, no one is out on the road doing whatever and wearing your seatbelt. Then a car slams into you going over 120 mph and you SUV goes two football fields down the lanes after the collision and the SUV catches fire and you and you're dog burn to death while the person who hit you was drunk driving, not wearing seatbelts, Ruggs was halfway ejected from the corvette dangling out the car and they live.
Extremely said.
Meticode
06-19-2025, 09:37 AM
Shame how he ended up in that situation. He wasn't even a low character guy, teammates liked him, just made some awful choices that night.
This is the play I will always remember when people mention Ruggs.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pt1bx1Fe93E
Imagine you're driving at 3:40 in the morning, with your dog, no one is out on the road doing whatever and wearing your seatbelt. Then a car slams into you going over 120 mph and your SUV goes two football fields down the lanes after the collision and the SUV catches fire and you and you're dog burn to death while the person who hit you was drunk driving, not wearing seatbelts, Ruggs was halfway ejected from the corvette dangling out the car and they live.
Extremely sad.
ArbitraryWater
06-19-2025, 12:28 PM
Henry Riggs III got a special release from prison to speak at an event and personally apologized to the family he killed in a car wreck going 156mph.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45534886/apologetic-henry-ruggs-speaks-hope-prisoners-event
I find that way too weak of a sentence for the wreckless killing of someone.
Meticode
06-19-2025, 12:57 PM
I find that way too weak of a sentence for the wreckless killing of someone.
Welcome to the United States judicial system.
I find that way too weak of a sentence for the wreckless killing of someone.
Sentence was fair. No prior criminal history. Unintentional. Didn’t leave scene. Remorseful.
Hey Yo
06-19-2025, 05:44 PM
No reporting on S.Sanders? He show up to meeting with headphones on? Media distraction? QB controversy? Anyone? Nah? Ok.
Twice this month :lol
According to a Medina [Ohio] Municipal Court record that was filed June 6, Sanders was pulled over by the Ohio State Patrol earlier this month. In that alleged violation, which took place June 5 in Brunswick Hills, Ohio, the Ohio State Patrol told WJW-TV that Sanders was stopped for driving 91 mph in a 65 mph zone.
According to the record, Sanders failed to appear for an arraignment for that citation on Monday and faces $269 in fines and court costs. He was then stopped by an officer for the Strongsville (Ohio) Police Department at 12:24 a.m. Tuesday morning for driving 41 mph over the posted 60 mph speed limit in a black Dodge TRX truck.
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45545248/browns-shedeur-sanders-cited-twice-month-speeding
Twice this month :lol
https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id/45545248/browns-shedeur-sanders-cited-twice-month-speeding
It’s a common moving violation. I don’t know why it’s being reported. I mean I know why (last name Sanders). But it’s a waste of an article.
Doomsday Dallas
06-19-2025, 09:14 PM
Sentence was fair. No prior criminal history. Unintentional. Didn’t leave scene. Remorseful.
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He killed a 23 year old woman and her body burned to a crisp.... 156 mph dude.
10 years at the bare minimum.... not 3.
You wouldn't be saying the sentence was fair if that was your daughter.
Meticode
06-19-2025, 09:46 PM
Speeding tickets aren't a big deal, but it just shows Sanders' maturity level. If anything he should be more careful about the things he does being a touted NFL draft prospect. He has an opportunity to make a name for himself in the NFL and a career. These things get analyzed under a microscope for pro sports athletes and eventually a few speeding tickets leads to drinking and driving, then drinking and driving leads to other drugs, then being totally intoxicated and causing a wreck or worse. Poor choices can can take your down a path of stupidity.
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He killed a 23 year old woman and her body burned to a crisp.... 156 mph dude.
10 years at the bare minimum.... not 3.
You wouldn't be saying the sentence was fair if that was your daughter.
And you wouldn’t give your son 10 years minimum if he was in Ruggs shoes. What the f*ck is your point? You have none.
Like I said I have no affiliation with either family. I’m neutral. It’s a tragic accident no question but it wasn’t intentional, he has no prior criminal history, no character issues at all, showed remorse for the awful decision he was involved in. Remained in the scene. He took accountability for his bad decision. 10 years minimum is moronic.
Speeding tickets aren't a big deal, but it just shows Sanders' maturity level. If anything he should be more careful about the things he does being a touted NFL draft prospect. He has an opportunity to make a name for himself in the NFL and a career. These things get analyzed under a microscope for pro sports athletes and eventually a few speeding tickets leads to drinking and driving, then drinking and driving leads to other drugs, then being totally intoxicated and causing a wreck or worse. Poor choices can can take your down a path of stupidity.
Oh stfu with your dramatic nonsense. This is only typed because once again you like the media are infatuated and obsessed with Sanders. Moving violation is not NFL news. I don’t know what eagle has moving violations. You know why? It’s not reported. And quite frankly I don’t care. When Sanders is having great interviews, great camps, bonding with the team? No one cares. The energy isn’t nearly as loud as him getting a speeding ticket. That happens? Oh boy look out. He’s headed for self destruction! Yall so damn weird with the picking and choosing. And this fake ass soap box crap
Meticode
06-19-2025, 10:50 PM
Oh stfu with your dramatic nonsense. This is only typed because once again you like the media are infatuated and obsessed with Sanders. Moving violation is not NFL news. I don’t know what eagle has moving violations. You know why? It’s not reported. And quite frankly I don’t care. When Sanders is having great interviews, great camps, bonding with the team? No one cares. The energy isn’t nearly as loud as him getting a speeding ticket. That happens? Oh boy look out. He’s headed for self destruction! Yall so damn weird with the picking and choosing. And this fake ass soap box crap
Didn't read.
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1987_Lakers
06-20-2025, 09:07 AM
No reporting on S.Sanders? He show up to meeting with headphones on? Media distraction? QB controversy? Anyone? Nah? Ok.
Looking forward to seeing what the rookies for the Eagles do.
This didn't age well. :oldlol:
1987_Lakers
06-20-2025, 09:13 AM
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He killed a 23 year old woman and her body burned to a crisp.... 156 mph dude.
10 years at the bare minimum.... not 3.
You wouldn't be saying the sentence was fair if that was your daughter.
He is still in prison, eligible for parole next summer. He will be out soon.
His case reminds me of my cousin's case. He was drunk, ran over and killed someone who was in the street setting a firework on 4th of July. He got 15 to life. He already had a history & fled the scene (people were trying to open his car door and whoop his ass after the incident)
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/people-v-hugo-enrique-1017526317
ArbitraryWater
06-20-2025, 10:08 AM
He took accountability for his bad decision. 10 years minimum is moronic.
60 years were taken off another person, how is receiving 17% of that moronic?
Taking accountability isnt some kind of huge plus, its the least any person should do.
Sentence was fair. No prior criminal history. Unintentional. Didn’t leave scene. Remorseful.
Dude, youre only saying that because hes black you ****ing scum.
He wrecklessly killed a human being.
Who gives a **** if he didnt shoplift before.
You think God is looking at it "well his records clean so hes alright in my book" ?
**** outta here.
This didn't age well. :oldlol:
You were better off holding that card when Sandwrs actually bombs playing football. Speeding ticket being your go too? Damn you’re reaching. Almost like you’re looking to get your hit back. Yikes
He is still in prison, eligible for parole next summer. He will be out soon.
His case reminds me of my cousin's case. He was drunk, ran over and killed someone who was in the street setting a firework on 4th of July. He got 15 to life. He already had a history & fled the scene (people were trying to open his car door and whoop his ass after the incident)
https://case-law.vlex.com/vid/people-v-hugo-enrique-1017526317
With all due respect there is no way your cousin story reminds you of Ruggs. The only reminder is 2 people were drunk driving and killed someone. The details of both are so far apart. How many years has your cousin served so far?
1987_Lakers
06-20-2025, 11:08 AM
You were better off holding that card when Sandwrs actually bombs playing football. Speeding ticket being your go too? Damn you’re reaching. Almost like you’re looking to get your hit back. Yikes
Two speeding tickets. Driving over 100 mph in a 60 zone is one of them, that is pretty reckless behavior and news worthy.
One citation was for driving 101 mph in a 60 mph zone in Strongsville, OH. The other was for driving 91 mph in a 65 mph zone in Brunswick Hills, OH.
With all due respect there is no way your cousin story reminds you of Ruggs. The only reminder is 2 people were drunk driving and killed someone. The details of both are so far apart. How many years has your cousin served so far?
Details are very different but both were drunk and killed someone. He's been there 5 years now, he tried to appeal it last year but got denied. He's my first cousin, spend lots of time with him and his brothers as kids. Kinda drifted apart as we got older, dude was always getting in trouble, he was a hoodlum. My uncle (mom's brother) actually shot his Dad in the neck when I was a little ass kid because he was beating my aunt.
Hey Yo
06-20-2025, 11:13 AM
Oh stfu with your dramatic nonsense. This is only typed because once again you like the media are infatuated and obsessed with Sanders. Moving violation is not NFL news. I don’t know what eagle has moving violations. You know why? It’s not reported. And quite frankly I don’t care. When Sanders is having great interviews, great camps, bonding with the team? No one cares. The energy isn’t nearly as loud as him getting a speeding ticket. That happens? Oh boy look out. He’s headed for self destruction! Yall so damn weird with the picking and choosing. And this fake ass soap box crap
Of course you care cause you said you wanted news on Sanders and now that it's out there that he's been caught twice in a very short time for being dumb and putting his life in danger you just want to dismiss it as nothing. Meticode's last post on page 2 is 100% true.
I'll keep ya posted about your boy.
Two speeding tickets. Driving over 100 mph in a 60 zone is one of them, that is pretty reckless behavior and news worthy.
One citation was for driving 101 mph in a 60 mph zone in Strongsville, OH. The other was for driving 91 mph in a 65 mph zone in Brunswick Hills, OH.
Details are very different but both were drunk and killed someone. He's been there 5 years now, he tried to appeal it last year but got denied. He's my first cousin, spend lots of time with him and his brothers as kids. Kinda drifted apart as we got older, dude was always getting in trouble and was pretty much a hoodlum. My uncle (mom's brother) actually shot his Dad in the neck when I was a little ass kid because he was beating my aunt.
It’s news we will forget next week. The only people who will hold on to it are the ones looking or waiting for Sanders to fail. It’s people who have a preconceived perception of him already. Any negative news helps that (for them).
The details are what matters to me when determining a persons sentence in a similar situation where drunk driving and innocent person losing their life is involved. 5 years? So does he have to do 15 before being eligible for parole? Curious how much time he will actually have to serve. Did he see his dad get shot by your uncle? Can’t blame uncle for shooting. Not that I would have but I’m not judging either. Beating up a sister you should expect a brother to react physically if not violently.
Of course you care cause you said you wanted news on Sanders and now that it's out there that he's been caught twice in a very short time for being dumb and putting his life in danger you just want to dismiss it as nothing. Meticode's last post on page 2 is 100% true.
I'll keep ya posted about your boy.
Right no football news. Just traffic tickets lol How’s this tho we include speeding tickets. But when he’s doing well? Where’s the same energy? You’re very selective. I’m not a Sanders fan. Travis Hunter yeah. I’m biased when it comes to him. Maybe you have something on him? Nothing is true about what MetiChode posts. But again when people dislike a player and their mind is made up? Everything reads spot on. So you two have at it. Who’s paying for lunch this time between you guys? Smh
1987_Lakers
06-20-2025, 11:40 AM
It’s news we will forget next week. The only people who will hold on to it are the ones looking or waiting for Sanders to fail. It’s people who have a preconceived perception of him already. Any negative news helps that (for them).
The details are what matters to me when determining a persons sentence in a similar situation where drunk driving and innocent person losing their life is involved. 5 years? So does he have to do 15 before being eligible for parole? Curious how much time he will actually have to serve. Did he see his dad get shot by your uncle? Can’t blame uncle for shooting. Not that I would have but I’m not judging either. Beating up a sister you should expect a brother to react physically if not violently.
Yes. He has to do 15 before he is eligible for parole. He didn’t witness his Dad getting shot but he was inside the house, but this happened when he was super young, he doesn’t remember the incident. Another cousin of mine who is way older than me confessed to me years ago that he was the one who supplied the gun to my Uncle.
None of my family members liked his Dad. :lol
Meticode
06-20-2025, 06:49 PM
Apparently the night he got pulled over doing 101mph a woman named Jasmine Hammond was going 92MPH with him in her own vehicle. Either following him or trying to race him.
In the bodycam footage the officer gives him a $250 ticket, but cuts her a break for "only" going 32 over not ticketing her. :oldlol:
Imagine hearing all this unprofessional mumbo jumbo only to have a cop allow another driving clearly speeding a break. What a professional that officer is. Thank you for your service. Very weird to know the name of the other driver. Stalker vibes.
Yes. He has to do 15 before he is eligible for parole. He didn’t witness his Dad getting shot but he was inside the house, but this happened when he was super young, he doesn’t remember the incident. Another cousin of mine who is way older than me confessed to me years ago that he was the one who supplied the gun to my Uncle.
None of my family members liked his Dad. :lol
Dude was a piece of shyt beating on your aunt. F*ck em.
Doomsday Dallas
07-03-2025, 01:46 AM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fPV0JsAnA6s
Trash no one is watching that crap.
Doomsday Dallas
07-03-2025, 08:07 PM
Trash no one is watching that crap.
Goddamn you GOBB
Hey Yo
07-17-2025, 04:37 PM
Steelers make TJ Watt highest paid non QB in NFL history.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-t-j-watt-agree-to-contract-extension-that-makes-him-highest-paid-non-qb-in-nfl-history-per-report/
I say it's an extreme overpay
ShawkFactory
07-17-2025, 10:09 PM
Steelers make TJ Watt highest paid non QB in NFL history.
https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steelers-t-j-watt-agree-to-contract-extension-that-makes-him-highest-paid-non-qb-in-nfl-history-per-report/
I say it's an extreme overpay
Meh. Only 3 years.
He's one of the 2-3 best defensive players in the game and with something that short-term it makes sense.
Hey Yo
07-18-2025, 12:07 PM
"I don’t really have a problem with this signing. It’s fine. No big money to QBs for a while. I get it.
I’m just annoyed by these fans that don’t seem to have championship aspirations so long as their favorite players stay on the team. I think it’s weird and unbecoming."
https://x.com/JoshYohe_PGH/status/1946024017527194064?s=19
https://www.instagram.com/reel/DMOiSHvvmOi/?igsh=MTdnMmZ1dTdjNjlhMA==
But let’s talk about speeding tickets and get on soap boxes how “he’s still immature, he doesn’t get it.” Blah blah blah blah.
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