What if players had to shoot all jumpers and couldn't shoot at rim? Stats say that..

[QUOTE=3ball;14125048]my arguments are unaffected by Lebron's 4th ring and infact become more relevant

he'll always have a skill restriction to ball-domination, so he can never play the best brand that dominates the championship level.. ultimately, his skillset turns teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, thus forcing him to team-hop for ready-made stars.. that's sad and not even top 10, let alone #2..

essentially, his lack of jumpshooting skill prevents him from playing the off-ball "shooter" role, thus keeping him on-ball and hogging the passing duties (low assist teams and low ball movement brand that goes 4/10 on the championship level)

so get ready for people to do more deep dives and my arguments to become more standard.. lebron will never be goat because the facts and his skills don't support it[/QUOTE]

Why did Kobe only win 2 rings after age 24, but LeBron doubled that

If Kobe's style dominates the finals?

Don't forget, Kobe was gift-wrapped peak Gasol, and also formed a super-team with young Dwight and Nash so LeBron having Kyrie, Love, and Davis (while going up against way better comp) pales in comparison to the help Kobe had, yet baldbe only 2 rings after age 24

[QUOTE=1-9ball]ultimately, his skillset turns teammates to play-finishers, which doesn't develop brand or young players, thus forcing him to team-hop for ready-made stars.. that's sad and not even top 10, let alone #2..[/QUOTE]

MJ stans: "All of MJ's teammates sucked, MJ won rangz all by himself."
LeBron stans: "Look at how great LeElevate makes his teammates."

No MJ stain tells us how bad every single MJ teammate was more than 1-9ball. Now we are hearing talk about how brand of play affects teammates when one of the most frequent arguments by the LeBron side is his ability to be "LeElevate" and MJ stans tell us MJ got zero from all of his teammates. :oldlol:

[QUOTE=AlternativeAcc.;14125076]Why did Kobe only win 2 rings after age 24, but LeBron doubled that

If Kobe's style dominates the finals?

Don't forget, Kobe was gift-wrapped peak Gasol, and also formed a super-team with young Dwight and Nash so LeBron having Kyrie, Love, and Davis (while going up against way better comp) pales in comparison to the help Kobe had, yet baldbe only 2 rings after age 24[/QUOTE]

kobe was past his prime when he got Nash and Dwight, who were also past their primes

otoh, lebron keeps refreshing his cast with prime studs every 4 years.. he's gotten a cast refresh of prime studs 3 times to Kobe's 2

ultimately, a team can't have a great brand of ball if the team's best player dominates the ball and CAN'T play the shooter role, aka Giannis, Wall, Harden, Lebron... of course, AD is the best player on these Lakers, similar to kareem on the 80's Lakers... but we see how tragic magic and lebron's ball-dominance puts downward pressure on their Finals record (magic was only 5-4 in Finals including the 88' robbery from Pistons)

[QUOTE=ThatCoolKid;14124934]What if the players just played basketball normally? Oh, Lebron is the GOAT? K thx.[/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=3ball;14124950]only jordan was a goat driver and goat jumpshooter.. ONLY jordan has this.. so no[/QUOTE]

[video=youtube;f5XOnpCBdiA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA[/video]

Bron is a better 3 point shooter and finisher, no debate.

[QUOTE=1987_Lakers;14125196][video=youtube;f5XOnpCBdiA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f5XOnpCBdiA[/video]

Bron is a better 3 point shooter and finisher, no debate.[/QUOTE]

Isn't it ironic his biggest stan on ISH is named "3ball"? :lol

[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14125200]Isn't it ironic his biggest stan on ISH is named "3ball"? :lol[/QUOTE]

#TheWNBAyears :lol
#PreLegalZoneDefense :lol
#WITHscottie :lol

Fraudon

[QUOTE=Shooter;14125201]#TheWNBAyears :lol
#PreLegalZoneDefense :lol
#WITHscottie :lol

Fraudon[/QUOTE]

[img]https://i.makeagif.com/media/9-19-2020/asU2dk.gif[/img]
[url]https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=B_PLqODJ7LM&t=0m35s[/url]

mj could average 30+ on all jumpers and lebron would average 10 ppg max

and mj had goat finishing too:

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?384007-LeBron-James-Top-100-Plays-of-Career/page4&p=11635477#post11635477[/url]

[QUOTE=red1;14124890]yes yes quite true OP



[IMG]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DetailedAdvancedCutworm-size_restricted.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:roll:

[QUOTE=red1;14124890]yes yes quite true OP



[IMG]https://thumbs.gfycat.com/DetailedAdvancedCutworm-size_restricted.gif[/IMG][/QUOTE]

:roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=TheCorporation;14125269]:roll: :roll:[/QUOTE]

lebron has zero carry-jobs where he won by averaging A LOT more than teammates.. leading teammates by 1 ppg or 1 rpg is nothing compared to what jordan did

you stan a guy that gets 15-16 pts and lets his teammate carry him.. otoh, Pippen averaged that much in the 98' ECF and Finals, so mj carried the team

[QUOTE=3ball;14125284]lebron has zero carry-jobs where he won by averaging A LOT more than teammates.. leading teammates by 1 ppg or 1 rpg is nothing compared to what jordan did

you stan a guy that gets 15-16 pts and lets his teammate carry him.. otoh, Pippen averaged that much in the 98' ECF and Finals, so mj carried the team[/QUOTE]

show me the opponents with 10.7 ppg Finals #2 options like 1998 Jazz Jeff Hornacek :lol

League is thicc stacked

Try again

[QUOTE=Shooter;14125288]show me the opponents with 10.7 ppg Finals #2 options like 1998 Jazz Jeff Hornacek :lol

League is thicc stacked

Try again[/QUOTE]

BPM

stockton.. 6.8
pippen..... 4.1


and lebron leads teammates by 1 in every category, while mj leads everyone by 20 ppg and still more apg and dpoy votes (lebron zero votes)... no comparison

[QUOTE=3ball;14125291]BPM

stockton.. 6.8
pippen..... 4.1


and lebron leads teammates by 1 in every category, while mj leads everyone by 20 ppg and still more apg and dpoy votes (lebron zero votes)... no comparison[/QUOTE]

ppg only please

I heard its all that matters

Thanks

[QUOTE=Shooter;14125306]ppg only please

I heard its all that matters

Thanks[/QUOTE]
pippen was outscored by the opponent's 2nd leading scorer or matched with better efficiency in 40% of his playoff series

otoh, guys like Kyrie and AD are virtually never outscored, even by the opponent's top scorer