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1. D-Rose: MVP, and still improving, not much more to say.
2. Deron williams: Would be a 2 way tie between him and CP3 but Cp's health is still a question
3. CP3: If healthy he's the best pure PG in the league, runs the offense better than anybody in the game
4. Rondo
5. Westbrook
6. Nash
7. Wall
8. TP
9. Curry
10. Ty Lawson
I wonder how many people actually watched the Wizards and John Wall this past year. Some of this shit is ridiculous. 19 and 9 next year? He averaged 9 this year. Next scoring PG? What? Poor man's Day Wade? Wtf? Derrick Rose - a jump shot? Hiuh.
Seriously, what a joke. The definition of talking out of one's ass.
[QUOTE=allabouthawks]u just put rubio who hasent played a game above an mvp in nash :facepalm :no:[/QUOTE]
Don't blame me for that. I'm a Wolves fan, and I need to get some Timberwolf on there, otherwise I wouldn't like my list that much.
[QUOTE=imdaman99]6. Rondo - he went backwards this year. of course before he did, he tore up my knicks and toney douglas in the 1st round :mad:[/QUOTE]
Rondo went backwards after he beat the Knicks? So he went backward in the Miami series, half of which he played with a dislocated elbow and included leading his team to a win against the EC champs on one arm.
[QUOTE=BlackWhiteGreen]Rondo went backwards after he beat the Knicks? So he went backward in the Miami series, half of which he played with a dislocated elbow and included leading his team to a win against the EC champs on one arm.[/QUOTE]
TBH, Rondo did go backwards because of injuries and his steep drop in the 2nd half of the season.
Deron is ranked above Paul because of Paul's injury problems, yet Deron was the one that had injury problems last year. If you look at Deron's numbers in New Jersey, they were awful, and a lot of people say it was because he wasn't healthy. Deron also missed 17 games last season while Paul played 80 games last season. Paul didn't really dominate or look like himself until the playoffs though.
Anyways...my top 10
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Steve Nash
4. Derrick Rose
5. Russell Westbrook
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Tony Parker
8. Chauncey Billups
9. Jason Kidd
10. John Wall
Honorable Mentions: Andre Miller, Jrue Holiday, Ty Lawson, and Stephen Curry.
1. Chris Paul
2. Steve Nash
3. Jason Kidd
4. Deron Williams
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Derrick Rose
7. Chauncey Billups
8. Tony Parker
9. John Wall
10. Russell Westbrook
Very tough.
1. CP3
2. D-Will
3. D-Rose
4. Nash
5. Westbrook
6. Rondo
7. Curry
8. Parker
9. Wall
10. Billups
Wall will be first very soon
1. CP3
2. DWill
3. Nash
4. Rose
5. Rondo
6. Westbrook (plays more like a SG than a PG)
7. Curry
8. Kidd
9. Wall
10. Parker
1. Chris Paul -
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Tony Parker
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Raymond Felton
9. Jason Kidd
10. Mo Williams
I think i have the best list.:roll:
[QUOTE=knickswin]the Bulls offense was not top 10. Maybe for the playoffs it was, but during the regular season it hovered around 17th-12th efficiency-wise.[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2011.html[/url]
they finished 11th, considering nobody else on the bulls roster can get his own shot, rose is doing a pretty good job, not terribly efficeint, but somebody has to take the shots.
[QUOTE=asnstyle3]1. Chris Paul -
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Tony Parker
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Raymond Felton
9. Jason Kidd
10. Mo Williams
I think i have the best list.:roll:[/QUOTE]
u should get banned for having mo in the top 10
[QUOTE=asnstyle3]1. Chris Paul -
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Tony Parker
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Raymond Felton
9. Jason Kidd
10. Mo Williams
I think i have the best list.:roll:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm
[QUOTE=Batz][B]1.[/B] Deron Williams - Definately the best all around point guard in the league. He can destroy defenses in so many ways and then hold his own on the other end. Definately for me the complete package as far as a franchise-run point guard.
[B]2.[/B] Chris Paul - Don't get me wrong, Paul here is one of my most favorite players, he's the complete package aswell, but with crappy bubble wrap. We saw how late in the Lakers series, he became almost completely ineffective when the LA took away the Hornet's PNR team. He faded and didn't even bother to adjust. A healthy Paul probably would've done better yes, but till I see otherwise, right now he's just not the best point guard in the NBA.
[B]3.[/B] Derrick Rose - I placed the MVP, and my top 3 favorite player at 3 simply because I don't believe he's a better point guard when comparing to Deron and Paul. Though I do think he is more dominant, however his defensive short comings, low efficiency, lack of a consistent shooting touch, aswell as an inferior passing skill set when comparing to the two guys above, are the reasons why I put Rose at 3rd place.
[B]4.[/B] Steve Nash - I hate putting this guy so low, but his defense is completely atrocious. And I'm Canadian, aswell as a huge Nash fan. An elite shooter, arguably the best, great passer with unique and out of this world court vision and the unmatched durability - puts the [I]old man[/I] at 4th place.
[B]5.[/B] Russel Westbrook - He definitely, definitely, the best all around player on the list given, definitely the best defender.. He can do just about everything, maybe except shooting threes, but there's also another flaw, his point guard skills. He can pass, but not that well. We saw him exposed in the playoffs continuously, whether it be screwing up the pass or play, or simply not passing/running the play at all. He tries to run the show too much, not that great of a shot selection, and his court vision is noticeably blurred. He's a point guard, but at random times, he's not.
[B]6.[/B] Rajan Rondo - Never liked the guy but he's good. Really good defender, unmatched hustle, and play making abilities to the likes of Steve Nash, and doesn't need an offensive system to flourish in, despite what some people try to negatively shove down your throat. Though he does not have a jump shot, nor does he have the free throw touch. Which is a must in a point guard, especially when a jump shot is what holding Rondo from being a poor mans Steve Nash to possibly the best and most unique guard in the league today.
[B]7.[/B] Tony Parker - A scoring point guard who still has the traditional point guard skill set in him. I always believed he could've been more than 20/7 type player, even before his 55 point eruption. I don't know why he didn't live up to such potential maybe a more consistent jumper? No one held him back, atleast that's what it seemed. Though a really talented scorer, especially in the paint, 7th place is fitting for a former finals MVP.
[B]
8.[/B] Jason Kidd - The old man is very underrated. As if he has camouflaged with the hardwood. Still is the same player, just at a much slower pace, minus the scoring - for the greater good. One thing that still stands out about him other than his elite passing ability and sudden shooting touch is his defense. It startles me when I don't see people pointing out that somehow this grandpa is holding his ground against players like Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade. Especially in Finals, I saw him on several possessions make Wade struggle. This guy is still a top 10 point guard for me. And should be for everyone.
[B]9.[/B] Chauncey Billups - A healthy Billups can turn a team around, we've all seen it happen, and I do believe it would be the same for knicks. If he didn't make a pullup transition three his #1 move in the arsenal, he could've been higher. But his defense, leadership and clutchness keeps him in my top
[B]10. [/B]John Wall - A bright, bright future. Honestly, the guy is experience and a jump shot away from being in the status of the likes of Rose. It's almost undeniable. Though I hate putting him here just out of potential, as you could've put someone like Curry here aswell. I just believe that Wall will infact have a better and more successful career.
[B][I]Dead Last. [/I][/B]Jose Calderon - Seriously sickens me how much this guy sucks.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGmOlANxMig[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jn87CTrJUU&NR=1[/url]
How the f*ck does that happen? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I cannot argue with anything on this list, well explained :applause:
rose
- the mvp, arguably the best athlete in the league, great iso scorer, can get his shot whenever he wants, no other point guard is close to him at getting his own shot. good defender, but considering his physical tools, he could be better. good passer, but not elite. not afraid to take the big shots. his efficeincy isnt great. his 3pt shot abandoned him in the playoffs, and was poor from 3 in the second half of the season, so its hard to say how improved his 3pt shot really is.
cp3
- this is based on the presumption that he gets the confidence back from his injury in 09, and starts to play like the player we saw in the playoffs. if he gets back to 07-09 form he gets the no.1 spot, but im not sure if he ever gets the quickness back. very patient, best court vision in the league, the best floor general in the league. great defender. great shooter. if it wasnt for injuries and poor management he'd be on course for the second best point guard in history.
deron
- jack of all trades, has no holes in his game, no the elire scorer rose is, and not the passer paul is. good defender, ballhandler, shooter. i think we can question his attitude with what happened in utah last year. if he was a great lockerroom guy sloan wouldnt have left, and o'connor wouldnt have shafted him at the deadline by trading him to NJ without telling him.
westbrook
- elite athlete, good scorer, can really lock down on defense one-on-one. the playoffs raised question about how well he fits with durant and if hes to scoring orientated. i think he'll redeem hgimsel fnext year and become a better passer.
nash
- all time great passer and shooter, time will have to start taking its toll, slowing him down. great leader, deserves a shot on a contender. remarkably efficeint. poor defender.
wall
- i think he makes a big leap in year two. has unrivalled potential as a defender, made some phenomenal plays on defense last year. has length, hustle, quickness,timing. could some day be the best guard in the league. great at finishing around the rim. best young combination of court vision-athleticism-unselfishness in the league. will lead the league in assists some day. only thing holding him back right now are his sub-par jumpshot and experience. has a great attitude, hopefully he doesnt get infected by veterans with poor attitude like blatche and thornton.
rondo
- great defense, great passer, poor shooter. the best defender at the point in the league. becomes quite tentative in the clutch.
curry
- poor man's steve nash. smart, good passer, great shooter, uses quickness effectively, questionable fit with ellis.
parker
- very quick pg, shoots 49% from the field for his career, great for a pg. can finish at the basket better than any point in the league, is 4th in the league of point guards who play 30 mins a game at finishing at the rim. not a great passer.
holiday
- smart young pg. very solid, jack of all trades, great defender, one of the best in the league for on-ball-steals. ceiling is chauncey billups.
Derrick Rose
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Steve Nash
Tony Parker
John Wall
Rajon Rondo
Chauncy Billups
Chris Paul should not be #1 on anyones list after the season he had. Also he's only as good as the PnR game is working for him. When teams defend it properly he can be taken out of the game... We've seen it several times throughout the course of last year. He's been a 2 season wonder. Deron williams has been just as good if not better and is more consistent. He's had more post season success, He can operate effectively in any system and being a natural scorer he's comfortable scoring alot of points if need be. He's been the best PG in the league for a some time now. Paul is just overrated expecially on defense.
[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]Chris Paul should not be #1 on anyones list after the season he had. Also he's only as good as the PnR game is working for him. When teams defend it properly he can be taken out of the game... We've seen it several times throughout the course of last year. He's been a 2 season wonder. Deron williams has been just as good if not better and is more consistent. He's had more post season success, He can operate effectively in any system and being a natural scorer he's comfortable scoring alot of points if need be. He's been the best PG in the league for a some time now. Paul is just overrated expecially on defense.[/QUOTE]
Wrong on almost every point, except that maybe that he shouldn't be #1. He is the most disciplined and best decision maker in the league to go along with all his skills, as a result he could thrive in any system and any pg role. some evidence, he was far superior to Deron in the Olympics and as a result earned the second most minutes on the whole team, playing his role perfectly, pressing on D, setting up the offense, and scoring when we needed it.
[QUOTE=yobore]Wrong on almost every point, except that maybe that he shouldn't be #1. He is the most disciplined and best decision maker in the league to go along with all his skills, as a result he could thrive in any system and any pg role. some evidence, he was far superior to Deron in the Olympics and as a result earned the second most minutes on the whole team, playing his role perfectly, pressing on D, setting up the offense, and scoring when we needed it.[/QUOTE]
This. Paul doesn't have an outstanding assist/turnover ratio for nothing. To say that he only thrives in the pick and roll is just inaccurate, he can set up just about any offense you want him to. Back when the Hornets used to play more in transition he played that beautifully as well. You never saw him do what a lot of super quick point guards do in that situation which is run themselves into a 3 on 1 situation, he always held himself back to play with his teammates. I think his struggles against good PnR defenses gets overstated: all point guards struggle if you throw some traps against them--I've seen John Stockton throw the ball away many times when he's been trapped--but it's not like they don't adjust (plus all of his teammates except West set sucky screens).
[QUOTE=knickswin]This. Paul doesn't have an outstanding assist/turnover ratio for nothing. To say that he only thrives in the pick and roll is just inaccurate, he can set up just about any offense you want him to. Back when the Hornets used to play more in transition he played that beautifully as well. You never saw him do what a lot of super quick point guards do in that situation which is run themselves into a 3 on 1 situation, he always held himself back to play with his teammates. I think his struggles against good PnR defenses gets overstated: all point guards struggle if you throw some traps against them--I've seen John Stockton throw the ball away many times when he's been trapped--but it's not like they don't adjust (plus all of his teammates except West set sucky screens).[/QUOTE]
he plays passive......He almost never tries creating without a screen...He makes the safe play. When his teammates are struggling and the PnR isnt working he's hesitant to attack. How many turnovers can a guy average getting as many screens as Paul does?......I judge PGs by how well they create on the fly outside of the PnR..... Paul is very overrated and i highly doubt he finds his glass slipper. Derrick Rose is better....He would never sitback as his team struggles the way Paul does
[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]he plays passive......He almost never tries creating without a screen...He makes the safe play. When his teammates are struggling and the PnR isnt working he's hesitant to attack. How many turnovers can a guy average getting as many screens as Paul does?......I judge PGs by how well they create on the fly outside of the PnR..... Paul is very overrated and i highly doubt he finds his glass slipper. Derrick Rose is better....He would never sitback as his team struggles the way Paul does[/QUOTE]
Paul creates for himself without screens. He doesn't do it with the regularity Rose does, but he has a nasty crossover that he'll pull out every now and then and he'll still drive to the rim for a layup or a floater.
I think Rose is a superior scorer and I don't think you can argue that. But he's also a significantly worse pure PG. His passing is average and his court vision is only slightly above average. Paul can be passive, but on the other end of the spectrum Rose has a problem with taking bad shots. You can't deny that Paul is elite at controlling the tempo of the game.
Healthy Paul might be the best player in this league; so damn efficient, almost effortless like.
Paul
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Nash
Rondo
Wall
Parker
Kidd
Curry
Wall could honestly become an elite PG next season.
1. CP3
2. D-Will
3. Rose
4. Nash
5/6. Rondo/Westbrook
7. Parker
8. Billups
9. Wall
10. Curry
1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Steve Nash
6. Tony Parker
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Chauncey Billups
9. John Wall
10. Jason Kidd
[QUOTE=Nastradamus]Lol, how does a PG get blown by and dunked on by Amare freakin' SToudemire? Uhhhhhhhh.
I'm not defending his D, but pick a good example,where he is at least defending a PG and not the most explosive big in the league.[/QUOTE]
Look at his defense? He's in perfect position, and with no pressure at all he voluntarily walks out of it which allows the opposition to score. That could've been a Earl Boykins and a field goal would've still been made because of that horrible decision.
[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]thats why he's not the best.....he's a product of the PnR...once you defend it properly you make paul almost useless. Overrated, plus he had a sub par season. a few games against old arse derrick fisher and a laker tema that struggles with every fast PG in the league dont change that[/QUOTE]
Sub par season because of injuries. He actually played godly against the Lakers early on. PGs do abuse the lakers, but that's usually on in the regular season. In the playoffs they actually pick it up in that area.
[QUOTE=Nets fan 93]I like this list. Maybe besides Wall, Stephen Curry?[/QUOTE]
As I said in the Wall ranking, Curry could've been there, I just feel Wall is a better point guard and has potential to be better. Though you can easily swap them.
1) Paul
2) Williams
3) Rose
4) Rondo
5) Westbrook
6) Nash
7) Curry
8) Wall
9) Parker
10) Billups
I don't recall Deron Williams putting up godly number against the Lakers in last year's playoffs. I thought all point guards smoked them?
1. Rose
2. Paul
3. Rondo
4. Curry
5. Westbrook
6. Williams
7. Nash
8. Kidd
9. Billups
10 Parker
1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Steve Nash
4. Deron Williams
5. Russel Westbrook
6. John Wall
7. Stephen Curry
8. Rajon Rondo
9. Tony Parker
10. Ty Lawson
[QUOTE=knickswin]I don't recall Deron Williams putting up godly number against the Lakers in last year's playoffs. I thought all point guards smoked them?[/QUOTE]
He suffered injuries prior to the series, and even during it. Besides, the Lakers D was really kicking in, all the way to a sweep.
1. Paul
2. Rose
3. D.Williams
4. Nash
5. Rondo
6. Westbrook
7. Parker
8. Kidd
I guess Wall or Curry but I don't really see them as being experienced and thus as good at being a PG and running a team, so I'm gonna say
9. Miller
10. T.Evans
(assuming he comes back healthy and ready, which I don't see why he can't.)
1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Steve Nash
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Deron Williams
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Tony Parker
8. Chauncey Billups
9. Jason Kidd
10. John Wall
Deron Williams was very unproductive and injury prone last season.
[QUOTE=TrueAristotle]1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Steve Nash
4. Russell Westbrook
5. Deron Williams
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Tony Parker
8. Chauncey Billups
9. Jason Kidd
10. John Wall
Deron Williams was very unproductive and injury prone last season.[/QUOTE]
Yes, being the only NBA player to average 20 points and 10 assists (career highs in both) is very unproductive.
[QUOTE=kentatm]wow. I don't see how Kidd is out of the top 10 behind guy like Andre Miller and Jrue Holiday.
Yea he is old as hell but he is an excellent floor general who is deadly from 3 and can defend SGs and SFs that most PGs could never dream of checking.
its not always all about the stats people[/QUOTE]
This is a good point. If you look at Kidd's assists, they're usually to cutters under the basket who take the best shots in the league, while guys like Rose and Westbrook tend to drive and kick out to guys who are open for jumpers for their assists. Not to take anything away from the younger guys, but doing that requires athleticism since it's reliant on breaking down a defense, not basketball iq or court vision, and the shots are less efficient.
[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Yes, being the only NBA player to average 20 points and 10 assists (career highs in both) is very unproductive.[/QUOTE]
You are counting his stats with Utah, count it with just NJ and it is pathetic. 35% FG%, LMAO. Deron is a douche anyways, gets Sloan fired and then leaves the franchise and gets traded to the loser New Jersey Nets. :oldlol:
1. D-will
2. Chris paul
3. D-rose
4. Nash
5. Rondo
6. Westbrook
7. John wall
8. Jrue Holdiay
9. T.Parker
10. Steph Curry
[QUOTE=TrueAristotle]You are counting his stats with Utah, count it with just NJ and it is pathetic. 35% FG%, LMAO. Deron is a douche anyways, gets Sloan fired and then leaves the franchise and gets traded to the loser New Jersey Nets. :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
15/13 on NJ and yeah.. 35% shooting because he had torn ligaments in his wrist that required surgery and the medical staff in Utah didn't diagnose properly. 13 assists in NJ was incredible given the lack of talent around him.
I definitely think that John Wall needs to be higher on everyone's lists. If you look at CP3's stats rookie year versus Wall's rookie year, they are pretty much similar. Wall is a mix of DRose and CP3 in a couple of years.
The top 4 point guards are:
Rose, CP3, DWill, and Wall
[QUOTE=Borderlands] If you look at CP3's stats rookie year versus Wall's rookie year, they are pretty much similarl[/QUOTE]
The stats are similar in terms of pts/assists. There is a huge difference in all their advanced stats which reflects the massive differences in turnovers, pace, and TS%. And CP's team went from 18 to 38 wins