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[QUOTE=GOBB]And i supposed Tyson Chandler is the best Center based on the same logic. Given he anchored the Mavs defense.[/QUOTE]
I wouldn't use the same logic, however besides Dwight this is possibly true.
However, sticking feathers in your butt does not make you a chicken.
Are their better players than Kidd? yes....
Are their better players, that pose as point guards? yes.....
Are there better point guards? no.....
[QUOTE=Jasi]1st tier.
Chris Paul, Deron Williams, Derrick Rose
2nd tier.
Steve Nash, Rajon Rondo, Tony Parker, Russell Westbrook
3rd tier.
Ty Lawson, Steph Curry, Jason Kidd
Ranked:
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Steve Nash
5. Rajon Rondo
6. Tony Parker
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Jason Kidd
9. Ty Lawson
10. Steph Curry[/QUOTE]
:applause:
awesome list. if i would change anything, i'd switch curry and lawson.
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose
5. Russell Westbrook
6. John Wall
7. Ricky Rubio
8. Steve Nash
9. Tony Parker
10. Jason Kidd
[QUOTE=KGMN]1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose
5. Russell Westbrook
6. John Wall
7. Ricky Rubio
8. Steve Nash
9. Tony Parker
10. Jason Kidd[/QUOTE]
u just put rubio who hasent played a game above an mvp in nash :facepalm :no:
lol at Rose and Westbrook
As a GM of a contender I'd rather shoot myself than have my offense run by an undersized one-dimensional SG or a selfish retard.
[QUOTE=Bogus_Sting]I wouldn't use the same logic, however besides Dwight this is possibly true.
However, sticking feathers in your butt does not make you a chicken.
Are their better players than Kidd? yes....
Are their better players, that pose as point guards? yes.....
Are there better point guards? no.....[/QUOTE]
kidd is less of a pg than any of the other players mentioned, he plays the 2 as much as any top 10 point guard, with barea and terry on the floor.
kidd is a spot up shooter, versatile defender, and a leader, he doesnt set people up very often or generate much offense on his own because he cant get into the paint, unlike deron, rose, cp3, or westbrook.
[QUOTE=Floppy]lol at Rose and Westbrook
As a GM of a contender I'd rather shoot myself than have my offense run by an undersized one-dimensional SG or a selfish retard.[/QUOTE]
without a single dependable secondary scorer or playmaker, the bulls offense is top 10 iirc, so obviously it works just fine. the game is changing, score first point guards can be very effective.
[QUOTE=ballup]If Rondo is better all around than Nash, he shouldn't be ranked over Nash on a top 10 pg list?:wtf:[/QUOTE]
No, the gap between their offense is GIGANTIC so it doesn't matter if Rondo is better all around or not. If you break their games down by each facet, Rondo would probably come out on top but that's where people would be wrong.
Rondo isn't anywhere near Nash or Paul or Williams or Rose.
There's other examples too. Rondo is better all around than AI, does that make him a better player? No. Pippen is better all around than Kobe, does that make him a better player? No.
[QUOTE=chips93]without a single dependable secondary scorer or playmaker, the bulls offense is top 10 iirc, so obviously it works just fine. the game is changing, score first point guards can be very effective.[/QUOTE]
the Bulls offense was not top 10. Maybe for the playoffs it was, but during the regular season it hovered around 17th-12th efficiency-wise.
[QUOTE=chips93]without a single dependable secondary scorer or playmaker, the bulls offense is top 10 iirc, so obviously it works just fine. the game is changing, score first point guards can be very effective.[/QUOTE]
Without a second dependable scorer? Deng scored 17.4 a game, Paul Pierce scored 1.5 points more a game, Pau Gasol scored 1.4 more a game, is the threshold for "dependable scorer" 18 ppg or does EVERYONE on here underrate Deng because he contract is bad?
Chris Paul: Still is the best all around point guard in the league to me.
Derrick Rose: Cannot put him any lower than this, not with the season he had, best offensive point guard in the game.
Steve Nash: To me the best ball handler in the league.
Deron Williams: D-Will is D-Will. Hard to rank him 4th.
Russell Westbrook: Westbrook is just awesome.
Rajon Rondo: I admit my mistakes. I really thought Rondo would have basically the year Rose had, especially after the how he played in the 2010 playoffs. Still one of the best though.
John Wall: Next scoring point guard coming up. He has surpassed the 3 below him imo.
Chauncey Billups: Chauncey is still great for his age. In the few Knicks games I got to see him in, he was cleaning up when Melo and Amar'e could not get it done.
Tony Parker: Parker still great.
Jason Kidd: Even at his age, Kidd still plays great. He finally has a championship, can still shoot, can still defend and can still get up the floor.
1. Derrick Rose
2. Deron Williams
3. Cp3
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Russell Westbrook
6. Stephen Curry
7. Ty lawson
8. Tony parker
9. Steve nash
10. Jason Kidd
[QUOTE=KGMN]1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Rajon Rondo
4. Derrick Rose
5. Russell Westbrook
6. John Wall
[B]7. Ricky Rubio
8. Steve Nash[/B]
9. Tony Parker
10. Jason Kidd[/QUOTE]
KGMN, added to the retards list.
[QUOTE=OmniStrife]KGMN, added to the retards list.[/QUOTE]
seriously, why isn't rubio #1???
on a slight tangent- dunno what's up with people ranking russell westbrook so high. (actually i do, but let's pretend i don't)
in short: good volume scorer as a small guard, total knucklehead as a PG. my respect and sympathy continues to grow for kevin durant...
[QUOTE=OmniStrife][B]1. Chris Paul[/B] (Prototype)
[B]2. Derrick Rose[/B] (MVP)
[B]3. Deron Williams[/B] (Does everything well)
[B]4. Steve Nash[/B] (Elite shooter / playmaker)
[B]5. Rajon Rondo[/B] (Defensive force)
[B]6. Russell Westbrook[/B] [B](Rose minus a brain)[/B]
[B]7. Jason Kidd[/B] (still does everything, just a bit slower)
[B]8. Tony Parker[/B] (Penetrator and facilitator)
[B]9. John Wall[/B] (Bright future very balanced)
[B]10. Stephen Curry[/B] (Elite shooter in the making)[/QUOTE]
...So he's Rose? :wtf: :confusedshrug:
My top 10:
1. Chris Paul
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Steve Nash
5. Russell Westbrook
6. Rajon Rondo
7. Tony Parker
8. Stephen Curry
9. Jason Kidd
10. Ty Lawson