1 Title in 11 Years for the Franchise that you originally played for ...

[QUOTE=GimmeThat;14478005]so there was actually a time in the franchise period where it's value wasn't carried by the league, but by performance?[/QUOTE]

All the time, you need to take a franchise that drafted you to titles without leaving them and joining forces with proven winners.

Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14524626]Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1[/QUOTE]
Kawhi conference finals appearances in the last two years? 0

[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14524633]Kawhi conference finals appearances in the last two years? 0[/QUOTE]


Learning to win (organic) entails learning to produce without the offense revolving around you, which elevates teammates.

Kawhi took this knowledge of how to win to Toronto and easily won the weak East with Lowry despite facing Giannis/Middleton (better comp than Lebron ever had in the East).. Imagine Lebron winning with Lowry - everyone would say it was the biggest carry-job in the world.

Unfortunately, Lebron never evolved out of ball-dominant offenses that revolve around him, so he never learned to elevate teammates beyond spot-up roles.. Since he never learned how to elevate teammates, he never learned how to win (organic chemistry) and had to team-hop (talent-based winning).. So he never made anyone better - he simply amassed enough talent to win (all-star game strategy), which loses to organic ball movement (lottery record vs Spurs, Mavs, Warriors)

[QUOTE=AirBonner;14524626]Kawhi titles in the last two years? 0 LeBron? 1[/QUOTE]

Kawhi has more titles for the franchise that drafted him in less years than Lebron has. Prove me wrong!

Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.

[QUOTE=Thenameless;14524683]Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.[/QUOTE]

Solid post

[QUOTE=Spurs m8;14521453]So how often do Kings jump from enemy to enemy?

And lose battle after after battle?

This KING, would have been dead before the 2010s, if he was indeed a king[/QUOTE]

Curry did much better than this and they play in the same era and he was even predicted to be that good.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14524625]All the time, you need to take a franchise that drafted you to titles without leaving them and joining forces with proven winners.[/QUOTE]

technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:

[QUOTE=r15mohd;14619728]technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]
So basically like kobe too.

[QUOTE=Thenameless;14524683]Kawhi Leonard is now receiving the bad karma that was due, in the form of choking and injuries.

Fans pay a lot of money to watch their favorite stars play, and he's been ripping off his fans with his load management. The basketball gods frown on this crap and punish you accordingly.

Look at what they did to Lebron after the "not one, not two, not three" garbage at The Decision. He got Dirked into humility.[/QUOTE]

punish who exactly...him or fans? Kawhi is enjoying a hefty contract while on his couch

[QUOTE=r15mohd;14619728]technically Kawhi was drafted by the Pacers...and they currently have 0 chips :confusedshrug:[/QUOTE]

There is a difference, Kawhi would have played for whomever.

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311002]Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait[/QUOTE]

1st post slay. Still no response. I win again as usual I win every argument I am undefeated on ISH.

1 Championship in 70 years for Cleveland....man's a legend

[QUOTE=John8204;14620220]1 Championship in 70 years for Cleveland....man's a legend[/QUOTE]

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