1 Title in 11 Years for the Franchise that you originally played for ...

[QUOTE=Shooter;14311002]Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait[/QUOTE]

Shaq won 3 finals mvp and a league mvp. Ben Wallace won 4 DPOY. Lebron played with that in Cleveland.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14625625]Shaq won 3 finals mvp and a league mvp. Ben Wallace won 4 DPOY. Lebron played with that in Cleveland.[/QUOTE]

they're desperate boys :roll:

Need an answer on each thread below.

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?t=459570[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495113-Vassilis-Spanoulis-Giannis-Antetokounmpo-s-And-Luka-Doncic-s-Idol-Retired[/url]
[url]https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc2006/news/story?id=2568543[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495940-Lebron-with-Shaq-2nd-round-exit-Giannis-with-Middleton-a-Title[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?495955-Giannis-just-blasted-those-who-join-super-teams-in-post-conference-interview[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?493982-Devin-Booker-Vs-Lebron-James-who-is-better-currently[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496253-Lebron-won-2-bronze-medals-for-the-United-States-of-America-How[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496256-Lebron-with-Tim-Duncan-Bronze-Medal-in-Olympics-Vince-with-KG-Gold-Medal[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496255-Lebron-with-Carlos-Boozer-No-Playoffs-Deron-Williams-with-Carlos-Boozer-WCF[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496549-Lebron-stacking-the-deck-in-2022-because-he-is-afraid-of-Devin-Booker[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?492941-1-Title-in-11-Years-for-the-Franchise-that-you-originally-played-for[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496831-times-when-each-top-10-player-all-time-Lost-when-they-were-expected-to-win[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?486706-Rob-Parker-LeBron-is-the-FFOAT[/url]

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497187-Record-against-teams-with-an-SRS-of-5-0-or-higher[/url]

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494319-Not-3-not-4-5-6-7-8-or-Playoff-Mode-Activated-or-A-Storm-is-Coming/page2[/url]


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?473762-Playoff-Mode-ACTIVATED[/url]

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?463869-Lowest-Scoring-Supporting-Cast-Overall-Playoffs/page3[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499837-Greatest-floor-raise-of-all-time/page2[/url]
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?499786-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Gobert-and-Jarrett-Allen-vs-Lebron[/url]

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500431-Lakers-were-1-in-Preseason-Odds-in-2021-and-Suns-were-14[/url]
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

[url]https://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2021_preseason_odds.html[/url]

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. :confusedshrug:


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500416-Why-did-Pelinka-surround-Lebron-with-a-bullshit-roster[/url]
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating [url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?459570-How-is-it-even-possible-to-lose-to-Dwight-Howard-in-a-series-with-HCA/page10?[/url] Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?489748-When-KD-and-Lebron-go-head-to-head[/url]

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?496095-Devin-Booker-put-up-47-his-playoff-career-high-on-Lebron[/url]


Devin Booker broke Lebron
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500264-Devin-Booker-broke-Lebron&p=14500724[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503966-3ball-why-can-LeBron-win-with-Irving-but-KD-can-t&p=14584482#post14584482[/url]

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500440-Russell-Westbrook-leading-the-league-in-Triple-Doubles-Thus-far-in-2022-Season[/url]
[url]https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/triple-double-leaders-2021-2022-stats[/url]

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500379-Expected-Championships-Won-and-Titles-Over-Expected/page3&p=14503600[/url]


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500334-How-did-LeBron-go-10-16-vs-Kawhi-7-12-vs-Shaq-17-23-vs-Curry[/url]

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?497028-Top-50-All-Time-List-Shot-Clock-Era-1&p=14426360&viewfull=1#post14426360[/url]


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?494830-Difference-between-Lebron-and-Tmac[/url]
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?500734-LeBron-s-message-that-makes-the-NBA-shake-A-storm-is-coming[/url]

[url]https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports/2021/04/09/6070b833ca47418e588b45e9.html[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?480740-Vasileios-Spanoulis-gt-gt-gt-Lebron-James[/url]
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.:oldlol:

[url]http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa/game/p/gid/A/grid/75/rid/5152/sid/3507/_/2006_FIBA_World_Championship/statistic.html[/url]


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503543-First-Time-Ever-a-team-with-2-guys-who-won-MVP-missed-the-playoffs[/url]


[url]http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?503981-Why-does-Lebron-have-2-bronze-medals-while-KD-only-has-gold-medals&p=14584371#post14584371[/url]

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[QUOTE=Shooter;14311002]Tell me when Mo Williams got 3rd in MVP voting and led his team to 55 wins

I'll wait[/QUOTE]

Shaq won league mvp, Russell Westbrook won league mvp and Lebron couldn’t win with either.

1 title in 11 years for franchise that drafted you.:facepalm

1 title in 70 years for Cleveland

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14310994]Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.[/QUOTE]

Kawhi and Kobe didn't win a single championship for the franchise they were drafted to. Dirk and Pierce did worse than 1/11.

Even your arbitrary criterias leave Lebron in some exclusive company.

Couldn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14729775]Couldn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook.[/QUOTE]

Why would he need a trade for this to happen while Kawhi thrived with Westbrook?

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14310994]Lebron got 1 title in 11 years for a franchise that drafted him/originally played for. Which is terrible for some all time great that stayed with a franchise that long.

Kawhi, Steph, Kobe, Duncan, Pierce, Dirk, all did better than that.[/QUOTE]
They fell into competent franchises. Dan Gilbert had no idea how to build a team around his young superstar and that's why he left.

Dirk only has one as well.
Kawhi got carried to his first ring and he played like Iguodala and on the Spurs 2014 title, he won a FMVP.
Pierce got lucky they brought him KG and Ray.

[QUOTE=kawhileonard2;14729775]Couldn't even make the playoffs with prime Westbrook.[/QUOTE]

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Russ might not even be in the league next year because nobody will want him.

[QUOTE=k0kakw0rld;14766363]They fell into competent franchises. Dan Gilbert had no idea how to build a team around his young superstar and that's why he left.

Dirk only has one as well.
Kawhi got carried to his first ring and he played like Iguodala and on the Spurs 2014 title, he won a FMVP.
Pierce got lucky they brought him KG and Ray.[/QUOTE]

They had Shaq, Ben Wallace

How many franchises had a 3x Finals MVP winner or 4x DPOY winner that won a title?

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Russ might not even be in the league next year because nobody will want him.[/QUOTE]

Plenty of teams want him. How many guys won league mvp and has the most triple doubles all time?

How many players won a ring as the man by age 25? Certainly not Jordan.

From that point on, lebron made 9 finals and won 4 chips in 10 years.

This thread is just silly.

[QUOTE=AussieSteve;14766388]How many players won a ring as the man by age 25? Certainly not Jordan.

From that point on, lebron made 9 finals and won 4 chips in 10 years.

This thread is just silly.[/QUOTE]

Not good with the stacked teams he has had and the players he has had. Steph has as many titles in less years.