Ranking the best NBA point guards, summer of 2011

1. Chris Paul -
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Tony Parker
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Raymond Felton
9. Jason Kidd
10. Mo Williams


I think i have the best list.:roll:

[QUOTE=knickswin]the Bulls offense was not top 10. Maybe for the playoffs it was, but during the regular season it hovered around 17th-12th efficiency-wise.[/QUOTE]

[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/CHI/2011.html[/url]

they finished 11th, considering nobody else on the bulls roster can get his own shot, rose is doing a pretty good job, not terribly efficeint, but somebody has to take the shots.

[QUOTE=asnstyle3]1. Chris Paul -
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Tony Parker
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Raymond Felton
9. Jason Kidd
10. Mo Williams


I think i have the best list.:roll:[/QUOTE]
u should get banned for having mo in the top 10

[QUOTE=asnstyle3]1. Chris Paul -
2. Deron Williams
3. Derrick Rose
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Tony Parker
6. Steve Nash
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Raymond Felton
9. Jason Kidd
10. Mo Williams


I think i have the best list.:roll:[/QUOTE]
:facepalm

[QUOTE=Batz][B]1.[/B] Deron Williams - Definately the best all around point guard in the league. He can destroy defenses in so many ways and then hold his own on the other end. Definately for me the complete package as far as a franchise-run point guard.

[B]2.[/B] Chris Paul - Don't get me wrong, Paul here is one of my most favorite players, he's the complete package aswell, but with crappy bubble wrap. We saw how late in the Lakers series, he became almost completely ineffective when the LA took away the Hornet's PNR team. He faded and didn't even bother to adjust. A healthy Paul probably would've done better yes, but till I see otherwise, right now he's just not the best point guard in the NBA.

[B]3.[/B] Derrick Rose - I placed the MVP, and my top 3 favorite player at 3 simply because I don't believe he's a better point guard when comparing to Deron and Paul. Though I do think he is more dominant, however his defensive short comings, low efficiency, lack of a consistent shooting touch, aswell as an inferior passing skill set when comparing to the two guys above, are the reasons why I put Rose at 3rd place.

[B]4.[/B] Steve Nash - I hate putting this guy so low, but his defense is completely atrocious. And I'm Canadian, aswell as a huge Nash fan. An elite shooter, arguably the best, great passer with unique and out of this world court vision and the unmatched durability - puts the [I]old man[/I] at 4th place.

[B]5.[/B] Russel Westbrook - He definitely, definitely, the best all around player on the list given, definitely the best defender.. He can do just about everything, maybe except shooting threes, but there's also another flaw, his point guard skills. He can pass, but not that well. We saw him exposed in the playoffs continuously, whether it be screwing up the pass or play, or simply not passing/running the play at all. He tries to run the show too much, not that great of a shot selection, and his court vision is noticeably blurred. He's a point guard, but at random times, he's not.

[B]6.[/B] Rajan Rondo - Never liked the guy but he's good. Really good defender, unmatched hustle, and play making abilities to the likes of Steve Nash, and doesn't need an offensive system to flourish in, despite what some people try to negatively shove down your throat. Though he does not have a jump shot, nor does he have the free throw touch. Which is a must in a point guard, especially when a jump shot is what holding Rondo from being a poor mans Steve Nash to possibly the best and most unique guard in the league today.

[B]7.[/B] Tony Parker - A scoring point guard who still has the traditional point guard skill set in him. I always believed he could've been more than 20/7 type player, even before his 55 point eruption. I don't know why he didn't live up to such potential maybe a more consistent jumper? No one held him back, atleast that's what it seemed. Though a really talented scorer, especially in the paint, 7th place is fitting for a former finals MVP.
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8.[/B] Jason Kidd - The old man is very underrated. As if he has camouflaged with the hardwood. Still is the same player, just at a much slower pace, minus the scoring - for the greater good. One thing that still stands out about him other than his elite passing ability and sudden shooting touch is his defense. It startles me when I don't see people pointing out that somehow this grandpa is holding his ground against players like Kobe Bryant and Dwyane Wade. Especially in Finals, I saw him on several possessions make Wade struggle. This guy is still a top 10 point guard for me. And should be for everyone.

[B]9.[/B] Chauncey Billups - A healthy Billups can turn a team around, we've all seen it happen, and I do believe it would be the same for knicks. If he didn't make a pullup transition three his #1 move in the arsenal, he could've been higher. But his defense, leadership and clutchness keeps him in my top

[B]10. [/B]John Wall - A bright, bright future. Honestly, the guy is experience and a jump shot away from being in the status of the likes of Rose. It's almost undeniable. Though I hate putting him here just out of potential, as you could've put someone like Curry here aswell. I just believe that Wall will infact have a better and more successful career.

[B][I]Dead Last. [/I][/B]Jose Calderon - Seriously sickens me how much this guy sucks.
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PGmOlANxMig[/url]
[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jn87CTrJUU&NR=1[/url]
How the f*ck does that happen? :facepalm[/QUOTE]
I cannot argue with anything on this list, well explained :applause:

rose
- the mvp, arguably the best athlete in the league, great iso scorer, can get his shot whenever he wants, no other point guard is close to him at getting his own shot. good defender, but considering his physical tools, he could be better. good passer, but not elite. not afraid to take the big shots. his efficeincy isnt great. his 3pt shot abandoned him in the playoffs, and was poor from 3 in the second half of the season, so its hard to say how improved his 3pt shot really is.

cp3
- this is based on the presumption that he gets the confidence back from his injury in 09, and starts to play like the player we saw in the playoffs. if he gets back to 07-09 form he gets the no.1 spot, but im not sure if he ever gets the quickness back. very patient, best court vision in the league, the best floor general in the league. great defender. great shooter. if it wasnt for injuries and poor management he'd be on course for the second best point guard in history.

deron
- jack of all trades, has no holes in his game, no the elire scorer rose is, and not the passer paul is. good defender, ballhandler, shooter. i think we can question his attitude with what happened in utah last year. if he was a great lockerroom guy sloan wouldnt have left, and o'connor wouldnt have shafted him at the deadline by trading him to NJ without telling him.

westbrook
- elite athlete, good scorer, can really lock down on defense one-on-one. the playoffs raised question about how well he fits with durant and if hes to scoring orientated. i think he'll redeem hgimsel fnext year and become a better passer.

nash
- all time great passer and shooter, time will have to start taking its toll, slowing him down. great leader, deserves a shot on a contender. remarkably efficeint. poor defender.

wall
- i think he makes a big leap in year two. has unrivalled potential as a defender, made some phenomenal plays on defense last year. has length, hustle, quickness,timing. could some day be the best guard in the league. great at finishing around the rim. best young combination of court vision-athleticism-unselfishness in the league. will lead the league in assists some day. only thing holding him back right now are his sub-par jumpshot and experience. has a great attitude, hopefully he doesnt get infected by veterans with poor attitude like blatche and thornton.

rondo
- great defense, great passer, poor shooter. the best defender at the point in the league. becomes quite tentative in the clutch.

curry
- poor man's steve nash. smart, good passer, great shooter, uses quickness effectively, questionable fit with ellis.

parker
- very quick pg, shoots 49% from the field for his career, great for a pg. can finish at the basket better than any point in the league, is 4th in the league of point guards who play 30 mins a game at finishing at the rim. not a great passer.

holiday
- smart young pg. very solid, jack of all trades, great defender, one of the best in the league for on-ball-steals. ceiling is chauncey billups.

Derrick Rose
Deron Williams
Chris Paul
Russell Westbrook
Stephen Curry
Steve Nash
Tony Parker
John Wall
Rajon Rondo
Chauncy Billups

Chris Paul should not be #1 on anyones list after the season he had. Also he's only as good as the PnR game is working for him. When teams defend it properly he can be taken out of the game... We've seen it several times throughout the course of last year. He's been a 2 season wonder. Deron williams has been just as good if not better and is more consistent. He's had more post season success, He can operate effectively in any system and being a natural scorer he's comfortable scoring alot of points if need be. He's been the best PG in the league for a some time now. Paul is just overrated expecially on defense.

[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]Chris Paul should not be #1 on anyones list after the season he had. Also he's only as good as the PnR game is working for him. When teams defend it properly he can be taken out of the game... We've seen it several times throughout the course of last year. He's been a 2 season wonder. Deron williams has been just as good if not better and is more consistent. He's had more post season success, He can operate effectively in any system and being a natural scorer he's comfortable scoring alot of points if need be. He's been the best PG in the league for a some time now. Paul is just overrated expecially on defense.[/QUOTE]
Wrong on almost every point, except that maybe that he shouldn't be #1. He is the most disciplined and best decision maker in the league to go along with all his skills, as a result he could thrive in any system and any pg role. some evidence, he was far superior to Deron in the Olympics and as a result earned the second most minutes on the whole team, playing his role perfectly, pressing on D, setting up the offense, and scoring when we needed it.

[QUOTE=yobore]Wrong on almost every point, except that maybe that he shouldn't be #1. He is the most disciplined and best decision maker in the league to go along with all his skills, as a result he could thrive in any system and any pg role. some evidence, he was far superior to Deron in the Olympics and as a result earned the second most minutes on the whole team, playing his role perfectly, pressing on D, setting up the offense, and scoring when we needed it.[/QUOTE]

This. Paul doesn't have an outstanding assist/turnover ratio for nothing. To say that he only thrives in the pick and roll is just inaccurate, he can set up just about any offense you want him to. Back when the Hornets used to play more in transition he played that beautifully as well. You never saw him do what a lot of super quick point guards do in that situation which is run themselves into a 3 on 1 situation, he always held himself back to play with his teammates. I think his struggles against good PnR defenses gets overstated: all point guards struggle if you throw some traps against them--I've seen John Stockton throw the ball away many times when he's been trapped--but it's not like they don't adjust (plus all of his teammates except West set sucky screens).

[QUOTE=knickswin]This. Paul doesn't have an outstanding assist/turnover ratio for nothing. To say that he only thrives in the pick and roll is just inaccurate, he can set up just about any offense you want him to. Back when the Hornets used to play more in transition he played that beautifully as well. You never saw him do what a lot of super quick point guards do in that situation which is run themselves into a 3 on 1 situation, he always held himself back to play with his teammates. I think his struggles against good PnR defenses gets overstated: all point guards struggle if you throw some traps against them--I've seen John Stockton throw the ball away many times when he's been trapped--but it's not like they don't adjust (plus all of his teammates except West set sucky screens).[/QUOTE]

he plays passive......He almost never tries creating without a screen...He makes the safe play. When his teammates are struggling and the PnR isnt working he's hesitant to attack. How many turnovers can a guy average getting as many screens as Paul does?......I judge PGs by how well they create on the fly outside of the PnR..... Paul is very overrated and i highly doubt he finds his glass slipper. Derrick Rose is better....He would never sitback as his team struggles the way Paul does

[QUOTE=I.R.Beast]he plays passive......He almost never tries creating without a screen...He makes the safe play. When his teammates are struggling and the PnR isnt working he's hesitant to attack. How many turnovers can a guy average getting as many screens as Paul does?......I judge PGs by how well they create on the fly outside of the PnR..... Paul is very overrated and i highly doubt he finds his glass slipper. Derrick Rose is better....He would never sitback as his team struggles the way Paul does[/QUOTE]

Paul creates for himself without screens. He doesn't do it with the regularity Rose does, but he has a nasty crossover that he'll pull out every now and then and he'll still drive to the rim for a layup or a floater.

I think Rose is a superior scorer and I don't think you can argue that. But he's also a significantly worse pure PG. His passing is average and his court vision is only slightly above average. Paul can be passive, but on the other end of the spectrum Rose has a problem with taking bad shots. You can't deny that Paul is elite at controlling the tempo of the game.

Healthy Paul might be the best player in this league; so damn efficient, almost effortless like.

Paul
Rose
Williams
Westbrook
Nash
Rondo
Wall
Parker
Kidd
Curry

Wall could honestly become an elite PG next season.

1. CP3
2. D-Will
3. Rose
4. Nash
5/6. Rondo/Westbrook
7. Parker
8. Billups
9. Wall
10. Curry

1. Chris Paul
2. Derrick Rose
3. Deron Williams
4. Rajon Rondo
5. Steve Nash
6. Tony Parker
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Chauncey Billups
9. John Wall
10. Jason Kidd