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[QUOTE=Borderlands]I definitely think that John Wall needs to be higher on everyone's lists. If you look at CP3's stats rookie year versus Wall's rookie year, they are pretty much similar. Wall is a mix of DRose and CP3 in a couple of years.
The top 4 point guards are:
Rose, CP3, DWill, and Wall[/QUOTE]
Wall is not that similar to CP3. He is crazy athletic but he does not play with the intelligence that Paul plays with . . .
Ast/Turnover I dont think Wall will ever be like Paul. Wall isnt the better three point shooter either. But I was saying that he is a mix of Rose (who is more TO prone)and Paul. Another category I think Wall will improve on is steals.
As to the winning percentage, Wall isnt going to improve his team as much as Paul. I think Wall doesnt run the pick and roll as effectively as Paul but then again the Wizards didnt have Tyson Chandler and David West (an allstar). I havent seen many Wizards games but getting 8-9 assists/game shows a lot of court vision especially as a rookie. I dont think any rookie point guard has averaged that recently except for Paul in '05 (if I remember correctly). Will Wall ever be dubbed "neither a shoot first nor pass first point guard" which Paul is so often called, not really. But surround him with the right players, like Rose in Chicago, and you have a team that is playoff bound.
1. Chris Paul-Hopefully he'll repeat his post-season play
2. Derrick Rose-Not a conventional PG but a great player none the less
3. Derrick Williams-Kind of sad about the trade, but he's a great player wherever he is.
4. Steve Nash-Doesn't show any signs of slowing down. Rooting for him to get a ring.
5. Rajon Rando-Engineers the Boston offense brilliantly.
6. Tony Parker- In my opinion MVP of the great Spurs team.
7. Ty Lawson- Ready to explode into his role as a star point guard.
8. John Wall- Looking to see improvement on an already incredible player.
9. Russel Westbrook- I know, this is very low but honestly I don't think he's much without Durant and his post season showed his bad side.
10. Jason Kidd- I think this'll be his last productive season, but he'll be good.
1. Steve Nash - GOAT shooter, Top passer, Keep his body in incredible health, amazing passion, great leader. Place him on a better team and he will win them a championship. Best PG in the league until he retires.
2. Chris Paul
3. Deron Williams
4. Derrick Rose
5. Stephen Curry
6. Tony Parker
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Rajon Rondo
9. Jrue Holiday
10. Andre Miller
[QUOTE=SunsCaptain]1. Steve Nash - GOAT shooter, Top passer, Keep his body in incredible health, amazing passion, great leader. Place him on a better team and he will win them a championship. Best PG in the league until he retires.
2. Chris Paul
3. Deron Williams
4. Derrick Rose
5. Stephen Curry
6. Tony Parker
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Rajon Rondo
9. Jrue Holiday
10. Andre Miller[/QUOTE]
Curry is up to high and miller shouldn't be on your list
[QUOTE=SunsCaptain]1. [B]Steve Nash[/B] - GOAT shooter, Top passer, Keep his body in incredible health, amazing passion, great leader. Place him on a better team and he will win them a championship. Best PG in the league until he retires.
2. Chris Paul
3. Deron Williams
4. Derrick Rose
5. [B]Stephen Curry [/B]
6. [B]Tony Parker[/B]
7. Russell Westbrook
8. Rajon Rondo
9. Jrue Holiday
10. Andre Miller[/QUOTE]
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1. Andre Miller
2. Steve Nash
3. Deron Williams
4. Chris Paul
5. Stephen Curry
6. Russell Westbrick
7. Patty Mills
8. Rajon Rondo
9. Jrue Holiday
10. Steve Blake
1. Raymond Felton
2. Steve Nash
3. Andre Miller
4. Chris Paul
5. Nolan Smith
6. Russell Westbrick
7. Patty Mills
8. Deron Williams
9. Jrue Holiday
10. Armon Johnson
How in the world did I forget Raymond Felton? Silly me. Only a man with such great knowledge of the game can correct me. Thank you Mike.
[QUOTE=Mike Rice]How in the world did I forget Raymond Felton? Silly me. Only a man with such great knowledge of the game can correct me. Thank you Mike.[/QUOTE]
No problem Mike. You were fairly accurate with your list though. Great job partner.
[QUOTE=ballerz]Curry is up to high and miller shouldn't be on your list[/QUOTE]
Curry is not up to high. Its my list anyways.... :rolleyes:
CP3 is the best hands down
Paul is one of my favorite players but he shouldn't be #1 in anyone's list. I think he gets too much love for his playoff performance against the Lakers since pretty much everyone was missing the old CP3. He hasn't been playing like the old CP3 since he got injured which was 2 years ago. Yes, he played great against the Lakers but he was guarded by players like Fisher and Blake. Also, same Lakers team got swept in the next round. He might come back next season and keep playing like the way he did against the Lakers but it's not very realistic based on how he performed in the last 2 years. Don't get me wrong he's still one of the best but simply not #1.
I'm not gonna make a list but I think Derrick Rose is the best PG in the league. See why and tell me what you think about it.
1)Derrick Rose
Best scorer & most explosive PG in the league. Also the fastest, strongest, and most athletic PG. Best ball handler PG with Paul. His ability to drive in and finish at the rim is unmatched among the best PGs. He developed a good mid-range game. Demonstrates strong leadership skills. Not afraid to take big shots.
Things that he needs to improve :
1) Passing - Good but not elite
2) Court vision - Good but not elite
3) Shooting - Improved a little but still needs to work on it
4) Being smarter and not taking bad shots
Crazy thing is he's only 22. He has lot's of time to improve. That's why I think he is and will be the best PG in the league.
Edit: Again, if Paul comes back next season and plays like he did against the Lakers then I would put him at #1 in a heartbeat but let's wait and see if that happens.
1) Passing - Good but not elite
2) Court vision - Good but not elite
3) Shooting - Improved a little but still needs to work on it
4) Being smarter and not taking bad shots
and how is he then the best pg in the league?This 4 things are what I want from my PG
Nash-best passer in the NBA(2nd best ever-just not far behind Magic-IMHO he's beter than magic in half court passing-and yeah he led the NBA last year in APG with his 2nd best player in Gortat),best court vision,best shooter among PG's ever(top 5 all time shooter),highest basketball IQ in the league,50% fg shooter when healthy,he can finish with both hand equaly good at the rim,good ballhandler,clutch,one of the best leaders in the NBA
but yes he is 38,white,short,slow,can't jump and can't dunk -but he was like than when he was 31
[QUOTE=SteveNashMVPcro]1) Passing - Good but not elite
2) Court vision - Good but not elite
3) Shooting - Improved a little but still needs to work on it
4) Being smarter and not taking bad shots
and how is he then the best pg in the league?This 4 things are what I want from my PG
Nash-best passer in the NBA(2nd best ever-just not far behind Magic-IMHO he's beter than magic in half court passing-and yeah he led the NBA last year in APG with his 2nd best player in Gortat),best court vision,best shooter among PG's ever(top 5 all time shooter),highest basketball IQ in the league,50% fg shooter when healthy,he can finish with both hand equaly good at the rim,good ballhandler,clutch,one of the best leaders in the NBA
but yes he is 38,white,short,slow,can't jump and can't dunk -but he was like than when he was 31[/QUOTE]
Are those really the only things you want from your PG? I don't think so. Those might be what you would like from a pass-first PG but not from an all around PG.
1-2)Let's be real. His court vision and passing aren't as bad as some of you say. If Nash is 10/10 at those two things then Rose is 7/10 and he will get better. I'm not saying Rose will be as good as Nash at those two things when he improves but improvement is improvement.
3)His shooting is bad compared to Nash but it's good enough compared to other top PGs. Also, this is something he can improve by little and little each year. He sure got better at it each and every year since he came into the league.
4)Well most of his bad shots are due to not having another player who can create his own shot on the team. I think once the Bulls get a player who can create for himself and others this problem of taking bad shots will mostly be solved. He will take bad shots every now and then but pretty much every superstar does that.
Why is he the best PG in the league? Because he is the most dominant one. No other PG affects/changes the game like Rose does. Again, he has things that he needs to improve. If it was another superstar, then I would say ehh..he's not gonna get any better from here but since Rose is very humble and hardworking I'm expecting another jump from him.
On a side note that's what I keep hearing about Wall(being humble and hardworking) so I think he will be one of the best in the future too. It'll be really fun to watch these two guys.
I agree with you completely on the points you made about Nash. I would put him at #4 if I had to make a list right now. Would put at #2 if this list wasn't focused on the future.