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Marquis Daniels 01-07-2012 03:04 AM

The deal with JaJuan Johnson playing garbage minutes?
What's up with him? Is he not ready or what? Sure I could have more confidence in him seeing that there are a couple of bigs in front of him(Bass, Stiemsma, Wilcox) on the bench, but at this point I would rather have Marshon Brooks as our off the bench scorer.

ballerz 01-16-2012 06:56 AM

Re: The deal with JaJuan Johnson playing garbage minutes?
Doc doesn't play rookies

pete's montreux 01-16-2012 02:34 PM

Re: The deal with JaJuan Johnson playing garbage minutes?

Originally Posted by ballerz
Doc doesn't play rookies

The only exceptions were Al Jefferson and Rondo.

Marquis Daniels 01-17-2012 09:39 AM

Re: The deal with JaJuan Johnson playing garbage minutes?

Originally Posted by ballerz
Doc doesn't play rookies

Saw this after I posted this thread.


Sorry, but this needs to be written. Celtics fans are probably the most knowledgeable pro basketball fans out there, but the aspersions thrown at coach Doc Rivers by fans that he refuses to play young players, especially rookies really is misguided. It's the type of stuff I'd expect from bandwagon Lakers or Heat fans. Doc plays rookies. More than most coaches even (read on and you'll see the proof).

Not one respected media member (or even non respected one) has ever made the claim that Doc won't play young players. They would never be so stupid. Ask Jackie MacMullan, Bob Ryan, Marc Spears, A. Sherrod Blakely, Gary Washburn, Chris Forsberg, Jessica Camerato, anyone and they'd be like, "Huh?" Young players earn playing time in practice. If you've attended practices you'd know why rookies Gabe Pruitt, Bill Walker, Lester Hudson, Avery Bradley, and the Purdue boys don't get playing time. But since the whining that Doc hates young players and rookies won't seem to end in the comments section, in the shout box, on twitter, facebook, and on Celtics forums and blogs, I've gone and done the research and you'll see that Doc does play rookies. He just doesn't play rookies who suck.

Orlando Magic
Rookie 20 year old Corey Maggette averaged 18 minutes a game for the season and even started 5 games.
Rookie Pat Garrity averaged 18 mpg

Rookie 20 year old Mike Miller started 62 games, averaging 29mpg and won Rookie of the Year
Yup I won R.O.Y. Thanks Doc.

Rookie 20 year old Steven Hunter started 21 games

Rookie 21 year old Drew Gooden started 18 of the 19 games he played for Orlando after being acquired at the trade deadline.

Boston Celtics
Rookie Tony Allen started 24 games and averaged 16.4 mpg.
Rookie Straight out of high school Al Jefferson averaged 15mpg.
Rookie 21 year old Delonte West averaged 13mpg

Rookie Straight out of high school Gerald Green averaged 12mpg (even though he had no business being on an NBA court. Green's rookie year would end up being the highlight of his brief NBA career.)
Thanks Doc for letting me start as a
rookie & on the championship team.
Rookie Ryan Gomes started 33 games and averaged 23 mpg (much more than he averages now)
Rookie Orien Green averaged 15.4 mpg and started 5 games. (Out of the league a few years later)

Rookie 20 year old Rajon Rondo averaged 24 mpg and started 25 games
Rookie Leon Powe averaged 11.4 mpg

Rookie Glen Davis averaged 14 mpg.
Gabe Pruitt didn't play because he sucked and is now out of the league.

J.R. Giddens sucked and is out of the league. Bill Walker only plays because the Knicks have no depth.

Lester Hudson (see Pruitt and Giddens)

Rookie Semih Erden played in all 37 games in Boston starting 7 of them. Didn't see the same playing time on a garbage Cavs team.
Luke Harangody even averaged 9 mpg as a rookie on the Celtics. He now plays 3mpg for the Cavs.
20 year old Avery Bradley barely played because he might be the worst offensive player in the NBA right now.

We never had it as good as we did as rookies under Doc.
As you can see Doc plays rookies. He starts them even. He has a rookie of the year on his resume. He started two young twenties players on the 2008 championship team. Doc will gladly play any rookie who has talent. He just won't play scrubs. If Moore and Johnson aren't playing, it's not because "Doc hates rookies." That wasn't the reason for Bradley, Giddens, Walker, Pruitt, or Hudson either.

Looks like he does play rookies, maybe they are just not ready yet.

Pushxx 01-17-2012 10:27 AM

Re: The deal with JaJuan Johnson playing garbage minutes?
Doc can tell if JJJ is ready in practice. He probably still makes a bit too many rookie mistakes. E'twaun is a just a bit more NBA ready.

That doesn't mean JJJ doesn't have great potential. He just needs more time to develop for the NBA.

ballerz 01-19-2012 05:02 AM

Re: The deal with JaJuan Johnson playing garbage minutes?
It also doesn't help that bass is eating up all of JJJ minutes

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