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Budadiiii 01-05-2013 09:11 PM

Nas is GOAT
 
We can all agree on this, right? :confusedshrug:

iggy> 01-05-2013 09:39 PM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
Also... Life is good was one of the best albums of the year.

Doomsday Dallas 01-05-2013 09:48 PM

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Rasheed1 01-05-2013 10:08 PM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
I dont generally think of him that way, but if you call him that I wont argue. He is close enough that Nas could very well be the GOAT

Stuckey 01-05-2013 10:59 PM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
I love Nas and as a lyricist he's arguably goat

but I just Pac a bit more as a full package

Hermit 01-05-2013 11:11 PM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
goat. there is no conversation.

http://www.cnn.com/2013/01/05/showbi...-40/index.html

Dictator 01-05-2013 11:13 PM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
Got him at number 2-3.

Pac and Big should be over him just because of their influence alone.

heavensdevil 01-06-2013 12:16 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
Jay-Z is the GOAT, and this is coming from a Nas fan

AboveTheRim. 01-06-2013 12:24 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by heavensdevil
Jay-Z is the GOAT, and this is coming from a Nas fan


As a rapper?

If you're trying to argue influence in Hip-Hop, then you could maybe make an argument for Jay, but if we're just talking rapping, then he isn't really in the running.

Nas is my favorite rapper of all time, but I think it's too hard to compare him go guys like Pac and Biggie. I wouldn't say anybody is the GOAT, just that there are a couple guys who are all in the conversation for GOAT.

Al Thornton 01-06-2013 12:26 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
2pac is goat, and this is coming from a sensible human.

andgar923 01-06-2013 12:53 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
I was an adamant believer that Nas was no.1.

But over time, I've come to accept that he isn't. Many of us have cemented Nas as the GOAT due to his first 2 albums for the most part. What many Nas fans won't ever admit to is his decline. He's had variable success with some of his album releases after IWW, but his skill clearly diminished.

His influence not as great as Hov's, BIG's, Pac's, KRS', Kane's, G Rap's.

Nas also wanted to be what Pac was, but he never achieved it.

As to who the GOAT is imo? I dunno anymore.

Based on raw skills, the usual don't come to mind for me. Pac, Hov and BIG aren't as good. BIG wasn't around long enough to be honest, Hov has been very sketchy and inconsistent since RD, and Pac wasn't on their level. What Pac was great at and something I learned to appreciate (something that Nas sucked at), was tell a story that was relatable to the average listener. A story that was heartfelt and to the point, a rap version of Lennon.

Technically speaking 'Imagine' is a relatively simple song in structure and lyrics. But the impact the song had is immeasurable. Imo one of the top 5 greatest songs of all time 'My Girl' by the Tempts is another perfect example of something that's simple yet effective and powerful at delivering. Pac was a master at this, something Nas can't touch.

So I dunno anymore.

DonDadda59 01-06-2013 01:13 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by andgar923
I was an adamant believer that Nas was no.1.

But over time, I've come to accept that he isn't. Many of us have cemented Nas as the GOAT due to his first 2 albums for the most part. What many Nas fans won't ever admit to is his decline. He's had variable success with some of his album releases after IWW, but his skill clearly diminished.

His influence not as great as Hov's, BIG's, Pac's, KRS', Kane's, G Rap's.

Nas also wanted to be what Pac was, but he never achieved it.

As to who the GOAT is imo? I dunno anymore.

Based on raw skills, the usual don't come to mind for me. Pac, Hov and BIG aren't as good. BIG wasn't around long enough to be honest, Hov has been very sketchy and inconsistent since RD, and Pac wasn't on their level. What Pac was great at and something I learned to appreciate (something that Nas sucked at), was tell a story that was relatable to the average listener. A story that was heartfelt and to the point, a rap version of Lennon.

Technically speaking 'Imagine' is a relatively simple song in structure and lyrics. But the impact the song had is immeasurable. Imo one of the top 5 greatest songs of all time 'My Girl' by the Tempts is another perfect example of something that's simple yet effective and powerful at delivering. Pac was a master at this, something Nas can't touch.

So I dunno anymore.


That's what separates Nas and Pac IMO and gives Esco the edge. Pac was simplistic, which isn't a bad thing but he did get repetitive. You always know he's gonna tell you about 'ridin on enemies... while drinking hennessy' in like 72% of his songs. Nas can weave a story in more imaginative ways. Case in point:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J3Sd2gDkSV8

But he can also tell stories in a more classical, straight forward way that still have impact. Example:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0T75uxpUtQ

Tupac can't touch Nas in terms of anything rap related, storytelling included. Where do you think he got the idea for 'Me and my girlfriend' from? The only reason many consider him greater is the James Dean effect.

Hermit 01-06-2013 01:27 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
consistent vocal delivery and the intricacy is still there in 2013. never dumbed down for the retarded consumer audience and all those albums going platinum without radio play is testament to his legacy.

Pra 01-06-2013 01:45 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
Nas made Will Smith look good!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y1d5mgDyw9E

lol


It's hard to say who is GOAT... I didn't grow in the biggie/tupac era, so my opinion will be different. As will the people who grew up in that era.

I do believe Nas has a case for GOAT though!

Fawker 01-06-2013 01:55 AM

Re: Nas is GOAT
 
the whole dead rapper greatness mystic has been surpassed by nas and jay tbh.


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