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insidehoops 08-15-2013 09:47 AM

2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Woodson said he anticipates a competitive training camp as starting guarantees now only go to Carmelo Anthony, Raymond Felton and Tyson Chandler, who is “back normal [and] ready to go” after suffering from a bulging disk in his neck.

“I know Melo will be in the starting lineup — he and Tyson and Raymond,” Woodson said. “But I don’t know who is going to start. We’ll figure that out in camp. Camp should be pretty competitive.”

Woodson was asked specifically about the starting status of Iman Shumpert.

“You’ve got to go in there and you’ve got to earn a spot is kind of how I look at it,” Woodson said.

-- NY Post

franchize 08-15-2013 11:29 AM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
In my opinion, Shumpert's spot should be as solidified as anyone on the team. He showed the most heart in the playoffs.

el gringos 08-15-2013 03:26 PM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Best 5 players and what would be the toughest team to defend

Shumpert
Jr smith
Carmelo
Bargnani
Chandler


But dumb Woodson wants to build around Felton and would love to start prigioni.

Scoooter 08-15-2013 03:58 PM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Felton getting a guaranteed spot is silly.

percelloveknicks 08-15-2013 07:19 PM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Woodson reminds me of tom coughlin, stubborn and stupid as hell sometimes.

Patrick Chewing 08-15-2013 11:18 PM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Let them fight for those spots. More competition = more comradery.

Rameek 08-16-2013 02:11 AM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Going to disagree with everyone here. Unless someone outplays Felton he should start. Chandler starts by default. Melo is Melo.

No one else has proven that much consistency to even have a legit debate.

el gringos 08-16-2013 08:25 AM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rameek
Going to disagree with everyone here. Unless someone outplays Felton he should start. Chandler starts by default. Melo is Melo.

No one else has proven that much consistency to even have a legit debate.

Do you really think Felton is in the same range as jr smith or shumpert?

Clutch 08-16-2013 08:28 AM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el gringos
Do you really think Felton is in the same range as jr smith or shumpert?

Felton is a point guard. J.R. and Shump aren't.

I don't see anything wrong with that statement. We all knew Felton,Melo and Tyson will start. It's just a question who will start with them.
Will it be Shump/MWP, Shump/Bargnani or something else...

franchize 08-16-2013 08:29 AM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el gringos
Do you really think Felton is in the same range as jr smith or shumpert?

Talent wise, no. But he is by far our best PG. That's like saying Melo should start over him at PG.

I think Melo, Felton, Shumpert and Chandler should be locks. The only thing that should be up for debate is whether or not to go small with MWP at the 3 or stay traditional with either Amare/Andrea at the 4. I'd personally go with the bigger lineup.

franchize 08-16-2013 08:32 AM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by percelloveknicks
Woodson reminds me of tom coughlin, stubborn and stupid as hell sometimes.

More like Rex Ryan.

A. Would rather do things his way than the best way.
B. Doesn't put his GM's feet to the fire enough.
C. Is too stubborn to admit his attempt at "something different" won't work long term and needs to be ditched. (small ball = ground and pound)

el gringos 08-16-2013 12:12 PM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Clutch
Felton is a point guard. J.R. and Shump aren't.

I don't see anything wrong with that statement. We all knew Felton,Melo and Tyson will start. It's just a question who will start with them.
Will it be Shump/MWP, Shump/Bargnani or something else...

I think you and many or most others are confused in thinking a pg in the nba is comparable to the pg position in junior high/high school or even college basketball. At lower than nba levels getting the ball up the court is a huge task, pressing trapping or full court defense. You don't do that in the nba because you can't. Any player 1-3 can break a press with the pass or dribble


Initiating offense w the dribble or the pass is another thing. Is that really what you think shumpert can't do? He can, more importantly they all can- Carmelo and jr are both asked to create for themselves and others as much or more than Felton. The only area Felton does the most is in the p&r game (which is not what the team should be built around)

People are way too locked into the idea of "positions" not even realizing that positions are defensive - it's who you cover, it doesn't mean what that player should do in the offense regardless of skillset.

So I'm believing you think Felton makes the team better offensively? Because its clear to all how much better of a defensive team you'd be with shumpert and jr. Offensively shumpert at pg and jr at sg would mean mismatches every game, maybe 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3. Put Felton out there and it just makes it much easier to defend the Knicks

If you can know that your tougher to defend and much tougher defending the other team how do you not want that?

Shumpert is not a pg? What made Ron Harper a pg? Did Derek fisher create offense for others or was he a shooter that defended pg's?

franchize 08-16-2013 12:57 PM

Re: 2013-14 Knicks starting lineup
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by el gringos
I think you and many or most others are confused in thinking a pg in the nba is comparable to the pg position in junior high/high school or even college basketball. At lower than nba levels getting the ball up the court is a huge task, pressing trapping or full court defense. You don't do that in the nba because you can't. Any player 1-3 can break a press with the pass or dribble


Initiating offense w the dribble or the pass is another thing. Is that really what you think shumpert can't do? He can, more importantly they all can- Carmelo and jr are both asked to create for themselves and others as much or more than Felton. The only area Felton does the most is in the p&r game (which is not what the team should be built around)

People are way too locked into the idea of "positions" not even realizing that positions are defensive - it's who you cover, it doesn't mean what that player should do in the offense regardless of skillset.

So I'm believing you think Felton makes the team better offensively? Because its clear to all how much better of a defensive team you'd be with shumpert and jr. Offensively shumpert at pg and jr at sg would mean mismatches every game, maybe 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3. Put Felton out there and it just makes it much easier to defend the Knicks

If you can know that your tougher to defend and much tougher defending the other team how do you not want that?

Shumpert is not a pg? What made Ron Harper a pg? Did Derek fisher create offense for others or was he a shooter that defended pg's?


I'm old enough to remember Ron Harper PRE-injury and he was pretty nice. Post injury, it didn't matter how good he was. Look at his teams. Derek Fisher was always a scrub to me. Always was lucky to play on good teams

Rameek 08-16-2013 03:30 PM

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You're wrong. How was Jeremy Lin exposed? You are totally devaluing the PG position simplifying it where you may not truly understand how a PG plays.
This team runs too many ISO plays and you taking a PG off the court makes the team easy to defend and predictable. Someone has to be able to put the team in the right position make plays for other people. JR and Melo look to score thats it most games they dont set anyone else up for easy baskets regularly.

Shump could not bring the ball up consistently well or initiate the offense. His handles arent good enough nor does his mind process information quick enough.

Ron Harper is irrelevant they are not comparable. How come Lebron can bring the ball up? Greatest player in the game play maker. How come Durant can bring the ball up? Puts the defense in a bad position play maker. How come Pippen can bring the ball up? One of the best multi-facet players ever play maker.


Quote:

Originally Posted by el gringos
I think you and many or most others are confused in thinking a pg in the nba is comparable to the pg position in junior high/high school or even college basketball. At lower than nba levels getting the ball up the court is a huge task, pressing trapping or full court defense. You don't do that in the nba because you can't. Any player 1-3 can break a press with the pass or dribble


Initiating offense w the dribble or the pass is another thing. Is that really what you think shumpert can't do? He can, more importantly they all can- Carmelo and jr are both asked to create for themselves and others as much or more than Felton. The only area Felton does the most is in the p&r game (which is not what the team should be built around)

People are way too locked into the idea of "positions" not even realizing that positions are defensive - it's who you cover, it doesn't mean what that player should do in the offense regardless of skillset.

So I'm believing you think Felton makes the team better offensively? Because its clear to all how much better of a defensive team you'd be with shumpert and jr. Offensively shumpert at pg and jr at sg would mean mismatches every game, maybe 2 out of 3 or 3 out of 3. Put Felton out there and it just makes it much easier to defend the Knicks

If you can know that your tougher to defend and much tougher defending the other team how do you not want that?

Shumpert is not a pg? What made Ron Harper a pg? Did Derek fisher create offense for others or was he a shooter that defended pg's?



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