What's the argument for LeBron NOT being the GOAT

[Full Court]

hurrr, I worship a chronic loser, durrr.

Yup, another participation trophy guy.

[BigShotBob]

Let's bring this back up

[John8204]

Still can't see the argument for Top 5 tbh

At what point did he play basketball like a Top 5?

I don't get it

Who are the five players you are ranking ahead of Lebron. Everyone has issues...no player is perfect the problem I have with Lebron haters is that you make these vague statements asking people to prove a negative when you yourself refuses to actually list the five players better than Lebron. Worse Lebron haters are incapable of having a civil discussion of the matter. While I am not a huge Lebron fan he is top five and he's the only GOAT currently playing in a big four sport.

[Baller789]

Who are the five players you are ranking ahead of Lebron. Everyone has issues...no player is perfect the problem I have with Lebron haters is that you make these vague statements asking people to prove a negative when you yourself refuses to actually list the five players better than Lebron. Worse Lebron haters are incapable of having a civil discussion of the matter. While I am not a huge Lebron fan he is top five and he's the only GOAT currently playing in a big four sport.

So what are Lebron's flaws and issues my friend?

[AlternativeAcc.]

One of the greatest threads ever created.

OP is a BEAST.



There really is no argument against him... GOAT peak... GOAT longevity..

it's a wrap!

[kawhileonard2]

One of the greatest threads ever created.

OP is a BEAST.



There really is no argument against him... GOAT peak... GOAT longevity..

it's a wrap!

4 titles in 20 years despite playing with guys who won league mvp, finals mvp, dpoy in Wade, Westbrook, Shaq, Dwight Howard and switching teams constantly and won bronze medal with peak Duncan/Iverson.

[AlternativeAcc.]

4 titles in 20 years despite playing with guys who won league mvp, finals mvp, dpoy in Wade, Westbrook, Shaq, Dwight Howard and switching teams constantly and won bronze medal with peak Duncan/Iverson.

Isn't that on peak Duncan then? A guy you hold in massively high regard?

Bogus points! try again.

[kawhileonard2]

Isn't that on peak Duncan then? A guy you hold in massively high regard?

Bogus points! try again.

That's on Lebron if he is the be the GOAT.

Can't be GOAT when a guy beat you head to head 3 times to 1 and has as many titles as you in less years in the league.

[AlternativeAcc.]

That's on Lebron if he is the be the GOAT.

Jordan was a third option in college at the same age LeBron won bronze.

So Jordan can't even be top 20.


Try again.

[kawhileonard2]

Jordan was a third option in college at the same age LeBron won bronze.

So Jordan can't even be top 20.


Try again.

Jordan won gold medal coming out of college. Lebron won bronze medal playing with 2 league mvp winners in Duncan and Iverson and a coach who just won the NBA championship.

[kawhileonard2]

Need an answer on each thread below.

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=459570

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Idol-Retired
https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc200...ory?id=2568543

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...dleton-a-Title

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ence-interview

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...tter-currently

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...of-America-How

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-KG-Gold-Medal

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...los-Boozer-WCF

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...f-Devin-Booker

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...lly-played-for


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...xpected-to-win

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...n-is-the-FFOAT

Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher.
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-5-0-or-higher

Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Coming/page2


Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Mode-ACTIVATED

Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Playoffs/page3


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...all-time/page2
Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them.


Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...llen-vs-Lebron

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-Suns-were-14
Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds

https://www.basketball-reference.com...ason_odds.html

And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron.


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ullshit-roster
He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer.

Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...th-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head

Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well?

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron


Devin Booker broke Lebron
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ron&p=14500724


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...2#post14584482

Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong!

http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...in-2022-Season
https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tri...021-2022-stats

Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ge3&p=14503600


How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...17-23-vs-Curry

Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14426360


Difference between Lebron and Tmac?
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ebron-and-Tmac
Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals.

Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team.



LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...torm-is-coming

https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports...e588b45e9.html


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t-Lebron-James
Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final.

http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa...statistic.html


First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs
http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-the-playoffs


http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14584371

[AlternativeAcc.]

Jordan won gold medal coming out of college. Lebron won bronze medal playing with 2 league mvp winners in Duncan and Iverson and a coach who just won the NBA championship.

So Duncan choked? Damn. Peak Duncan choked the Gold medal, and hes a consensus top 10 player.

[kawhileonard2]

So Duncan choked? Damn. Peak Duncan choked the Gold medal, and hes a consensus top 10 player.

Lebron choked bs Dwight Howard a career loser. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...while-having-a

[AlternativeAcc.]

Lebron choked bs Dwight Howard a career loser. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...while-having-a

You were just hyping Dwight earlier when mentioning LeBron played with prehistoric Howard. Sounds like you're a little biased and inconsistent so your points are invalid.


Anybody else wanna try?

[kawhileonard2]

Anybody else wanna try?

Answer these

Need an answer on each thread below. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d.php?t=459570 http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Idol-Retired https://www.espn.com/olympics/wbc200...ory?id=2568543 http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...dleton-a-Title http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ence-interview http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...tter-currently http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...of-America-How http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-KG-Gold-Medal http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...los-Boozer-WCF http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...f-Devin-Booker http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...lly-played-for http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...xpected-to-win http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...n-is-the-FFOAT Record against teams with an SRS of 5.0 or higher. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...-5-0-or-higher Not 3, not 4, 5, 6, 7, 8 or Playoff Mode Activated or A Storm is Coming http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...s-Coming/page2 Playoff Mode: ACTIVATED http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Mode-ACTIVATED Lowest Scoring Supporting Cast Overall Playoffs http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...Playoffs/page3 http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...all-time/page2 Lebron played with Shaq who won league mvp and 3 finals mvp's and lost in round 2. Lebron played with Peak Duncan who had won 2 league mvp's and 3 finals mvp's and won bronze medal. Lebron played with Peak Wade who won finals mvp and got outplayed by Jason Terry. Lebron played with Derrick Rose who won mvp under age 30 which was the same as Kevin Durant who won mvp under 30 while both were on Golden State and Cleveland. Lebron played with mulitple PER leaders as well and now Russell Westbrook a league mvp winner and more triple doubles than Oscar Robertson. Yet despite all of that Lebron lost with all of them. Jarrett Allen vs Gobert and Jarrett Allen vs Lebron http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...llen-vs-Lebron http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-Suns-were-14 Was #1 in Preseason odds and lost to a 14th seed in odds https://www.basketball-reference.com...ason_odds.html And Devin Booker walked them down in the playoffs with Devin outplaying Lebron. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ullshit-roster He has peak Anthony Davis, the best player on the 2020 squad and the reason the Lakers did anything as the 2019 Lakers missed the playoffs and 2021 Lakers lost in round 1 when AD wasn't around. He has Prime Melo who won a scoring title and all time leader in scoring for the Olympics. He has Dwight Howard a 3x DPOY and a guy who beat Lebron without HCA. He has Westbrook who is the modern day Oscar Robertson and also won league mvp along with average a Triple Double 4 years in a row. He also has Rondo who is a hall of famer. Why didn't he play it against Dwight Howard in 2009 when Dwight was dominating http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...th-HCA/page10? Or against Duncan or KG or Dirk? Why did he run away from KD a guy at his position? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...o-head-to-head Why didn't he do **** against Booker in the playoffs as well? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...high-on-Lebron Devin Booker broke Lebron http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ron&p=14500724 http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...2#post14584482 Lebron won bronze medal twice and lost with HCA 3x. Jordan only won gold medal and never lost with HCA. Prove me wrong! http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...in-2022-Season https://www.statmuse.com/nba/ask/tri...021-2022-stats Expected Championships Won and Titles Over Expected http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ge3&p=14503600 How did LeBron go 10-16 vs Kawhi? 7-12 vs Shaq? 17-23 vs Curry? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...17-23-vs-Curry Top 50 All-Time List - Shot Clock Era = #1 http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14426360 Difference between Lebron and Tmac? http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...ebron-and-Tmac Both 0-2 with HCA against 50+ win teams until they joined forces with someone who won as the man. Also won bronze medals. Tmac lost to Utah in 2007 while Lebron was losing to a career loser in Dwight Howard and also Carlos Arroyo in the Olympics with peak Tim Duncan on his squad despite playing more minutes than Hakeem even played on the 1996 Olympic team. LeBron's message that makes the NBA shake: A storm is coming http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...torm-is-coming https://www.marca.com/en/more-sports...e588b45e9.html http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...t-Lebron-James Outplayed Lebron in FIBA and caused America to get another bronze medal and then Greece got spanked in Gold medal final. http://archive.fiba.com/pages/eng/fa...statistic.html First Time Ever a team with 2 guys who won MVP missed the playoffs http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...d-the-playoffs http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/sho...1#post14584371