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Old 02-23-2010, 11:45 AM   #1
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So I'm watching the ESPN telecast and it comes up to the "Durant for MVP segment".

"as of now, Kevin Durant is second to only Michael Jordan in most consecutive 25 point games".


Did they just entirely forget about Wilt?






and some people have the audacity to deny the media has any influence over who people see as the sports greats.

Just terrible reporting ESPN, terrible.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:51 AM   #2
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Well maybe Wilt never had that long of a streak?
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:51 AM   #3
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They may have not said it that time, but they have continuously said during those segments "over the last thirty years," undoubtedly not wanting to count Wilt's dominance back then.
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:51 AM   #4
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If I remember correctly some of those ESPN guys last season predicted Wilt would be a poor mans Sammy Dalembert in today's NBA. Skip Bayless looked embarrassed to even be on the air with them.

In the words of Wilt to Peter Vecsey a year prior to his passing, "Don't ever let people forget how good we were."
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:53 AM   #5
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They may have not said it that time, but they have continuously said during those segments "over the last thirty years," undoubtedly not wanting to count Wilt's dominance back then.

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Old 02-23-2010, 11:55 AM   #6
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What's new here? His Airness gets asslicked even for the record he doesn't hold - once a Stern poster boy, always one...ans some posters have audacity to argue that his "consensus GOAT" image isn't media's creation LOL
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Old 02-23-2010, 11:55 AM   #7
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Well maybe Wilt never had that long of a streak?

He had a streak like that for an entire season, but propaganda networks will not mention that. The real question is what is ESPN's angle? It is one thing to see this from a politically oriented channel (i.e. Fox News pumping up Palin) but a sports channel constantly blowing a particular player, and a retired one at that ("best ever" commemorative issue by ESPN's magazine, celebrating his birthday on Sportscenter, etc.)?

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What's new here? His Airness gets asslicked even for the record he doesn't hold - once a Stern poster boy, always one...ans some posters have audacity to argue that his "consensus GOAT" image isn't media's creation LOL



Two weeks ago ESPN had a segment comparing Jordan and Kobe and MJ was getting credit for something he never even did! (pass off to Paxson for the win in the 93' finals--that was Pippen and Grant) In contrast, the only time Kareem even gets mentioned on ESPN is when he gets cancer. It is no surprise MJ has 99% public support.

Who gets more positive press? Kim Jung Il on North Korean state television or Jordan on ESPN?

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but they have continuously said during those segments "over the last thirty years," undoubtedly not wanting to count Wilt's dominance back then.

That is a classic propaganda technique. See, they technically did not lie. They just "forgot" to mention Wilt to viewers. They are covered both ways: they technically did not lie but they gave viewers the impression that Jordan did something no one else did. Even if it is implicit that someone else had a longer streak (and this would be lost on many viewers), the underlying message is that for whatever reason it was not as significant as what Jordan did hence it does not even warrant a mention.

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Old 02-23-2010, 11:57 AM   #8
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They may have not said it that time, but they have continuously said during those segments "over the last thirty years," undoubtedly not wanting to count Wilt's dominance back then.

because it's been proven, time and time again, that stats back then cannot be taken seriously. wilt got a big portino of his points tipping in his own teammate's shot attempts.

really, if those stats can be taken seriously, why are we even watching? whats the fun in watching a league in which the best player is maybe 60% as good as Wilt? I mean dude averaged 50 and 25. So how the hell can we be excited about someone dropping 35 and 15 today? Unless we dont take those Wilt stats, right?

Wilt's a loser anyways. Only the same 4, 5 posters who, either becuase they want to live a gimmick or becuase they hate Jordan, insist that the old guys were more dominant. Please. Unleash a prime KG and his explosive on that era and you dont think he grabs 25 boards and swat 10 shots ag ame?

Anyway, this thread will undoubtedly be filled by the same goons claiming that eveyrone who thinks Jordan is GOAT is just midnless and following the media, nevermind that the final minute of game 6 98 finals is clutcher than anything Wilt has ever f*cking done or the fact that Jordannever got outplayed by anyone the way Kareem has by opponents from time to time. Whatever man, it's becuase we're just following Nike and ESPN's marketing, right?

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Old 02-23-2010, 12:03 PM   #9
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If I remember correctly some of those ESPN guys last season predicted Wilt would be a poor mans Sammy Dalembert in today's NBA. Skip Bayless looked embarrassed to even be on the air with them.

In the words of Wilt to Peter Vecsey a year prior to his passing, "Don't ever let people forget how good we were."

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Two weeks ago ESPN had a segment comparing Jordan and Kobe and MJ was getting credit for something he never even did! (pass off to Paxson for the win in the 93' finals--that was Pippen and Grant)


ironic you're doing the same BS you accuse--and throwing a girly fit about--ESPN of doing. How the hell can Pippen and Grant pass to Paxon? What, they both grabbed the ball and passed it while holding hands? GRANT passed it to Paxon.

You saying Pippen was part of the pass is no better than ESPN saying Jordan made that pass. If they even made that claim at all, btw. Can't trust any of you clowns, just like I highly doubt the ESPN guys actually said Wilt would be "a poor man's Sam Dalembert in today's NBA". You guys are biased, delusional, and just plain obnoxious.
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:09 PM   #11
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He had a streak like that for an entire season, but propaganda networks will not mention that.

Where's the evidence? Not saying you're lying but how do you know that? Its not like there's game logs from the 60s that are readily available, which could be the reason why ESPN dropped the ball on that one if its true, and not cause there trying to prop up Jordan. ESPN gets absolutely nothing from propping up Jordan today.
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because it's been proven, time and time again, that stats back then cannot be taken seriously. wilt got a big portino of his points tipping in his own teammate's shot attempts.

really, if those stats can be taken seriously, why are we even watching? whats the fun in watching a league in which the best player is maybe 60% as good as Wilt? I mean dude averaged 50 and 25. So how the hell can we be excited about someone dropping 35 and 15 today? Unless we dont take those Wilt stats, right?

Wilt's a loser anyways. Only the same 4, 5 posters who, either becuase they want to live a gimmick or becuase they hate Jordan, insist that the old guys were more dominant. Please. Unleash a prime KG and his explosive on that era and you dont think he grabs 25 boards and swat 10 shots ag ame?

Anyway, this thread will undoubtedly be filled by the same goons claiming that eveyrone who thinks Jordan is GOAT is just midnless and following the media, nevermind that the final minute of game 6 98 finals is clutcher than anything Wilt has ever f*cking done or the fact that Jordannever got outplayed by anyone the way Kareem has by opponents from time to time. Whatever man, it's becuase we're just following Nike and ESPN's marketing, right?


Kareem played against 37 of the best players ever. Of course he'll see some stiff and get outplayed here and there.

In contrast, Jordan only played against 14.

Now, who has the higher chance of getting outplayed?

The guy who played against 37 of the 50 best players in history,

or the guy who played against, lol, 14 in comparison?




Btw, don't discount the power of the media and how they create perception.

They specifically said, "second only to Michael Jordan", as if Wilt never, ever existed. Just because you think his records shouldn't stand, doesn't make it true.
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:12 PM   #13
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If I remember correctly some of those ESPN guys last season predicted Wilt would be a poor mans Sammy Dalembert in today's NBA. Skip Bayless looked embarrassed to even be on the air with them.

In the words of Wilt to Peter Vecsey a year prior to his passing, "Don't ever let people forget how good we were."

I remember that. They actually said someone like Tyson Chandler. They were definitely underrating Wilt, but Skip was doing the exact opposite by saying Wilt would average something like 35 ppg and 15 rpg. In the end, they all looked like idiots, which is part of the reason 1st and 10 is such a great show
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:13 PM   #14
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Makes sense that they would only count the last 30 years, since they probably wouldn't have a segment if Wilt streak is nowhere near being broken, and Jordan's is more realistic. I don't buy into media hype. Make's those people complaining about sound like the paranoid types. I see it too much in so many different topics.

Think about it, if a player is getting close to break number 4 all time in scoring, are they going to by pass number 4 and just talk about number 1?
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Old 02-23-2010, 12:15 PM   #15
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Makes sense that they would only count the last 30 years, since they probably wouldn't have a segment if Wilt streak is nowhere near being broken, and Jordan's is more realistic. I don't buy into media hype. Make's those people complaining about sound like the paranoid types. I see it too much in so many different topics.

Think about it, if a player is getting close to break number 4 all time in scoring, are they going to by pass number 4 and just talk about number 1?


Thats not the point.

When the media states, "second only to", they are creating an illusion that nobody else ever did better.
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