Lebron's time of possession in 2015 Finals was 50% higher than RS leader

[3ball]

http://stats.nba.com/tracking/#!/pla...ir=1&PORound=4

Lebron's time of possession (the amount of time he possesses the ball each game) was a whopping 12.0 minutes per game in the Finals - that's 50% higher than the regular season leader, John Wall's 8.2 minutes.

Overall, for the 2014-2015 regular season and playoffs, Lebron's time of possession was higher than any non-pg in the league - he and Harden were the only non-pg's with equal or higher time of possession than point guards.

Since today's spaced-out, screen-roll setup allows more ball-domination and higher time of possession to accumulate stats, wings from prior eras like MJ and Dr. J would have higher stats today.

[TheMilkyBarKid]

It's almost like he slowed down the tempo of the game to not allow gsw to play to their strengths

[FKAri]

Why the fucc would time of possession matter when it comes to "accumulation of stats". The number of possessions is what matters.

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LeBron James finished the 2015 NBA Finals with averages of 35.8 points, 13.3 rebounds, and 8.8 assists per game.

LeBron James is the first player in NBA Finals history to lead both teams in points, assists and rebounds for the entire series.

Without James on the floor, Cleveland’s field goal percentage dropped for 40% to 17%, and it’s offensive efficiency fell from 97.3 to 50.9.

According to Tom Haberstroh of ESPN, James accounted for 38.3% of Cleveland's points in the Finals, the second-highest percentage of team points in Finals history. He is edged only by Michael Jordan scoring 38.4% of the Bulls' points in the 1993 Finals, which Chicago won.

He was responsible for an average of 57.7 points per game on points he either scored or assisted on; which in turn, accounted for 62% of the Cavaliers’s points in the NBA Finals.

According to ESPN Stats & Information, by pulling the Elo Ratings for each team to make the NBA Finals before the series began, and taking into account a team’s home-court advantage, it was able to project each team’s chances of winning prior to the Finals. What was discovered was that James’ teams had the lowest expected winning percentage — 37% — out of any of the other players on this list. If you consider that James still managed to win two titles with those odds stacked against him, the four losses don’t seem so terrible. And if we look at the 2015 Finals by itself, we’ll realize that James did was pretty much unprecedented.

“If we look at a multi-year Statistical Plus/Minus talent projection for every NBA Finals team, this Cavs team ranks as the ninth-least talented NBA finalist since 1985. (By contrast, Cleveland’s opponents, the mighty Golden State Warriors, rank as the 14th-most talented.) Remove James, and things get even more dire; his supporting cast ranks as the third-worst team carried by its best player to the NBA Finals since 1985.”

If you were to take James’s talent rating (6.6) and replace it with that of the league-average player (0.0), the Cavaliers’s talent rating would dwindle to -0.1. So what the King ended up doing was carrying one of the three-worst supporting casts in NBA history to within two games of a championship. Of course, what we forgot to mention was that FiveThirtyEight also determined that these Golden State Warriors finished the year with the second-highest peak Elo Rating (1822) in NBA history and third-highest Composite Elo Rating of all time (1796), making them one of the best basketball teams ever. And what James did against them remarkable.

When LeBron was NOT on the floor, JR Smith, Matthew Dellavedova, James Jones and Iman Shumpert DID NOT MAKE A SHOT in the NBA Finals

Without LeBron James on the floor this series.
JR Smith 0/9 FG
Delly 0/7 FG
J. Jones 0/3 FG
Shumpert 0/2 FG
Total 0/21 FG

[Eye Test]

^^^^ lebrons reaction when Kevin Love signed with the cavs

[FKAri]

I think that post killed 3ball. If he survived, he's frantically looking through his Word documents for something with enough paragraphs that can buy him time to regroup.

What about Curry, bro? Why'd you stop praising him this season? He's playing his best ball yet.

[3ball]

Without James on the floor, Cleveland’s field goal percentage dropped for 40% to 17%, and it’s offensive efficiency fell from 97.3 to 50.9.

All great players have this effect.. When a great player goes to the bench, his team's performance will suffer - this is nothing new.. It's not an argument for Lebron anymore than it is for Nash, Kevin Johnson, MJ, Magic or Stockton.

According to Tom Haberstroh of ESPN, James accounted for 38.3% of Cleveland's points in the Finals, the second-highest percentage of team points in Finals history. He is edged only by Michael Jordan scoring 38.4% of the Bulls' points in the 1993 Finals, which Chicago won.

He needed 50% more time of possession achieve his stats than the RS leader in time of possession.

AND he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

How come Lebron shot so poorly despite getting secluded 1-on-1 over and over??... High volume - Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume.. Otoh, as Haberstroh said, Jordan WON his Finals, because he shot well at high volume - he shot 51% on 33 fga.

What was discovered was that James’ teams had the lowest expected winning percentage — 37% — out of any of the other players on this list.

According to the 538 list, MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts rank far below Lebron's 2012 and 2013 casts, which proves that MJ won with less.. MJ was capable of winning with less, as the 538 lists prove.

And when you compare Jordan's [COLOR="Navy"]per 100 stats[/COLOR] to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. [COLOR="green"]32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR]
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

[dhsilv]

Lebron is an all time great nba player. Anyone posting anything to counter this, should never be taken seriously.

And I hate watching lebron and hope he retires to I never have to watch his horrible boring awful basketball! As you can tell I'm doing my best to say nice things about how much I hate watching him play!

[3ball]

Why the fucc would time of possession matter when it comes to "accumulation of stats". The number of possessions is what matters.

Why would time of possession matter?... Lebron needed 50% more time of possession achieve his stats than the RS leader in time of possession..

If you don't think that's remarkable, then you're ridiculously biased... Read that again - 50%... more... time of posssession... than the RS leader.

And of course, he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

[dhsilv]

All great players have this effect.. When a great player goes to the bench, his team's performance will suffer - this is nothing new.. It's not an argument for Lebron anymore than it is for Nash, Kevin Johnson, MJ, Magic or Stockton.



He needed 50% more time of possession achieve his stats than the RS leader in time of possession.

AND he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

How come Lebron shot so poorly despite getting secluded 1-on-1 over and over??... High volume - Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume.. Otoh, as Haberstroh said, Jordan WON his Finals, because he shot well at high volume - he shot 51% on 33 fga.



According to the 538 list, MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts rank far below Lebron's 2012 and 2013 casts, which proves that MJ won with less.. MJ was capable of winning with less, as the 538 lists prove.

So you agree Lebron is an all time great and one of the best ever to play?

What was the point of this topic then? We all agree. Lebron was amazing in the finals last year.

FYI removed all your stuff with weird colors and font and stuff. I assumed that was stuff you didn't mean to post since it looked bad.

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Lebron increased his teams offensive rating by an NBA finals record +46.4

Legendary impact

[dhsilv]

Why would time of possession matter?... Lebron needed 50% more time of possession achieve his stats than the RS leader in time of possession..

If you don't think that's remarkable, then you're ridiculously biased... Read that again - 50%... more... time of posssession... than the RS leader.

And of course, he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

You know I can't tell. Is more time good or bad? I'm struggling with what you're going for. Do you think Triston Thompson should have the ball? WIth Irving out there's no doubt Lebron is the top scorer and point guard for the cavs. So....what is the point? How can I be baised if I don't even know if this is favorable or unfavorable?

Seriously post your thought process on these weird posts. Mind you once you do, I'm likely to laugh at you and not keep posting because you never seem to have a point that isn't comical.

[3ball]

Lebron is an all time great nba player. Anyone posting anything to counter this, should never be taken seriously.

And I hate watching lebron and hope he retires to I never have to watch his horrible boring awful basketball! As you can tell I'm doing my best to say nice things about how much I hate watching him play!

Lebron is an all-time great, but so is Barkley and Malone and Pete Maravich.

For once, accept the statistical facts - Lebron takes more time to score than any non-pg in today's gamee... and for him to achieve his Finals stats, he needed a whopping FIFTY PERCENT MORE time of possession than the regular season leader..

Of course, he only shot 39% despite being double-teamed only 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

Btw, when you compare Jordan's [COLOR="Navy"]per 100 stats[/COLOR] to other wings (playoffs stats shown below), it's clear that he did exactly what the other wings did, but just MORE OF IT.. His efficiency was the same as other wings, but he simply produced far more at that efficiency:

JORDAN:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 43.3 pts.. 2.2 oreb.. 6.1 dreb.. 7.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 2.7 stl.. 1.1 blk.. [COLOR="green"]32.5 fga.. 118 ORtg.. 56.8 ts[/COLOR]
LEBRON:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 36.5 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 9.3 dreb.. 8.6 ast.. 4.5 tov.. 2.2 stl.. 1.2 blk.. 26.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 56.5 ts
DURANT:[COLOR="White"].[/COLOR] 35.8 pts.. 1.2 oreb.. 9.1 dreb.. 4.8 ast.. 4.1 tov.. 1.4 stl.. 1.5 blk.. 25.8 fga.. 114 ORtg.. 58.3 ts
KOBE:[COLOR="White"].....[/COLOR] 34.7 pts.. 1.4 oreb.. 5.5 dreb.. 6.4 ast.. 4.0 tov.. 1.9 stl.. 0.9 blk.. 27.7 fga.. 110 ORtg.. 54.1 ts
WADE:[COLOR="White"]....[/COLOR] 32.2 pts.. 2.0 oreb.. 5.4 dreb.. 7.1 ast.. 4.8 tov.. 2.3 stl.. 1.4 blk.. 24.5 fga.. 108 ORtg.. 55.4 ts

[dhsilv]

Lebron increased his teams offensive rating by an NBA finals record +46.4

Legendary impact

Had his shots fallen, is it possible he could have by himself beaten a top 15 team all time? How crazy is that?

Now honestly I think the warrior were jsut screwing around and were shocked the cavs even had a chance.

[FKAri]

Respond to my earlier post about Curry.

All great players have this effect.. When a great player goes to the bench, his team's performance will suffer - this is nothing new.. It's not an argument for Lebron anymore than it is for Nash, Kevin Johnson, MJ, Magic or Stockton.

Show me the numbers for MJ and Dr J

He needed 50% more time of possession achieve his stats than the RS leader in time of possession.

AND he only shot 39% despite only being double-teamed 3 times per game (18 times in the entire series)..

How come Lebron shot so poorly despite getting secluded 1-on-1 over and over??... High volume - Lebron's efficiency is poor at the additional midrange and isolations required of high volume shooting, so he can't shoot well at high volume.

Because literally no one else on that team was scoring. His usage was so high throughout the playoffs that he had no more legs for his jumper. Also, Lebron's not an all-time great iso scorer. It might be his greatest weakness. Yet he still put up 30 something across the whole series.

Let's use YOUR OWN suggested sources to destroy you:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/l...st-loser-ever/

According to the 538 list, MJ's 1991 and 1993 casts rank far below Lebron's 2012 and 2013 casts, which proves that MJ won with less.. MJ was capable of winning with less, as the 538 lists prove.

EDIT - my bad I thought you were referring to 2015.





That's by 538 btw.
Right here:
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/w...porting-casts/



Bye bye 3ball. Don't let the door hit you on the way out.