What Happened to PALMING in the NBA?

[LAZERUSS]

Definition of PALMING a basketball...

http://socalelite.org/basketball-vio...rying-palming/

During a basketball game, many coaches, fans, and youth basketball players commonly misunderstand a carrying / palming violation. A carrying / palming violation occurs when you place your hand [COLOR="DarkRed"]underneath[/COLOR] the basketball during a dribbling motion and when you grip the ball with your dribbling hand to impede the dribbling motion, resulting in a turnover.

Here is a video explanation being taught to youth...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bpNg0mDLvTk


This was ROUTINELY called in the 60's and 70's. Hell, even the LOGO himself...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PDRQ0FYhC0U



BUT, today it occurs on nearly EVERY DRIBBLE!!!!

It is so bad that the NBA just plain has ignored it...

http://hangtime.blogs.nba.com/2010/1...ddenly-change/

Back in the Allen Iverson days, the league became alarmed with the evolution of the dribble. You can blame it on Tim Hardaway, the unofficial inventor of the crossover. Hardaway’s sleight-of-hand was perfectly legal, if you saw it in slo-mo, because he was that good at pulling it off. But it spawned millions of poor imitators [COLOR="DarkRed"]who lifted the ball underneath[/COLOR] while changing directions. That’s a palm, or a carry, as they called it back in the day.

It got so bad that today, they actually teach “palming” (ahem, crossover) to little kids. Yes, pretty soon, an entire generation began [COLOR="DarkRed"]lifting[/COLOR] the ball, pulling the ball, dragging the ball, everything but legally dribbling the ball. And the high schools and colleges looked the other way. Eventually, so did the NBA, for a while.

When Iverson violated every dribble rule in the book to gain an unfair advantage on his defender, the NBA decided to crack down. The “Iverson Rule” was put to test during the preseason and, just like now, players protested. The rule was enforced for roughly two months. Then, it was back to business as usual. Only once in a while, when a palm is just too obvious to ignore, does the whistle blow. Never with two minutes left in a tight game, however.

Basically, the players took ownership of the dribble and rewrote the rule book, and the NBA essentially allowed it to happen. Jamal Crawford, the Sixth Man of the Year, owes his career to palming. So does Dwyane Wade and countless others. And it’s even gotten worse: Now players are[COLOR="DarkRed"] lifting the ball[/COLOR] for a split second, and just as the defender thinks the player is about to stop dribbling, that player continues his dribble, clearly gaining an advantage because the defender is now off-balance. Phil Jackson calls it the “discontinue dribble” and it is rarely enforced.

The league really needs to uphold the basic rules Dr. James Naismith created. Send a message to teenagers that palming will not be allowed on the highest level. And while you’re at it, clean up traveling, too (the two-steps-and-bunny-hop is especially insulting to the memory of Dr. James). And treat these obvious violations the same, whether the game is a minute old or there’s a minute left. The game will survive, because players will simply adjust, if they want to get paid.

And just think: calling players for palming will really get them steamed at the refs.

Let's get real here...today's NBA players literally PALM and CARRY the ball on nearly EVERY dribble.

[tpols]

it is a bit ridiculous.. it's the reason you see giant point forwards more often today.. guys like Durant and Giannis..

Seriously watch Kevin Durant dribble a basketball. He puts his hand under it and basically carries it for huge chunks at a time while taking long strides.. in past eras he wouldnt be afforded that type of control and would see a lot more deflections.

[RedBlackAttack]

it is a bit ridiculous.. it's the reason you see giant point forwards more often today.. guys like Durant and Giannis..

Seriously watch Kevin Durant dribble a basketball. He puts his hand under it and basically carries it for huge chunks at a time while taking long strides.. in past eras he wouldnt be afforded that type of control and would see a lot more deflections.

I don't watch the Bucks a lot, so I didn't realize Giannis does it as often as he does... I was noticing a borderline palm almost every time he put the ball on the floor. Pretty flagrant.

[LAZERUSS]

it is a bit ridiculous.. it's the reason you see giant point forwards more often today.. guys like Durant and Giannis..

Seriously watch Kevin Durant dribble a basketball. He puts his hand under it and basically carries it for huge chunks at a time while taking long strides.. in past eras he wouldnt be afforded that type of control and would see a lot more deflections.

EXACTLY.

[Marchesk]

It's weird when refs do call palming or travelling violations. It's like, what about the other 20 times you didn't call it?

[CuhGetsBucks]

It's crazy because now in middle schools this is how they teach you how to dribble. I think the NBA shouldn't be the standard for how it's called though (seeing as they don't call pivot travels) because last year during my senior season I could count numerous times they called this and even warned us about dribbling like this.

[tpols]

I don't watch the Bucks a lot, so I didn't realize Giannis does it as often as he does... I was noticing a borderline palm almost every time he put the ball on the floor. Pretty flagrant.

Giannis's strides are so long, w/ the palming, the guy can basically euro step into the paint from half court lmao

[bigkingsfan]

Nobody would watch basketball if they called it by the books.

[KungFuJoe]

It's why when you look at really old clips it looks like players don't know how to dribble. It's not that. They're just following the rules.

But everyone does it and it's more aesthetically pleasing so they let it slide.

[LAZERUSS]

Now watch a TRUE dribbling magician...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

Never has his hand below the equator except when he passes off the dribble.

Can you imagine that guy in the current NBA being able to palm and carry the ball at will, and with a 3pt line?

[Ben Simmons]

Durant

[egokiller]

Let's get real here...today's NBA players literally PALM and CARRY the ball on nearly EVERY dribble.

I used to palm all the time on the outdoor courts but never during an officiated game. Still do. I use to tell people not to worry about it because eventually it would not be called.

Sure enough.....

[LAZERUSS]

Nobody would watch basketball if they called it by the books.

You have to be kidding, right?

Let's eliminate the dribble altogether then.

Let players run up-and-down the court (like they do so often anyway) all game long. They would surely score more points.

[bigkingsfan]

You have to be kidding, right?

Let's eliminate the dribble altogether then.

Let players run up-and-down the court (like they do so often anyway) all game long. They would surely score more points.

Exactly, if you want to enforce palming, then do it to traveling, fouls, three second violations, etc. Nobody would watch it.

[Velocirap31]

Now watch a TRUE dribbling magician...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9qv0YS1wHoQ

Never has his hand below the equator except when he passes off the dribble.

Can you imagine that guy in the current NBA being able to palm and carry the ball at will, and with a 3pt line?