Hakeem the Dream vs Tim Duncan

[GOBB]

Who is better? We got the Shaq vs Tim topics. Well lets see how people view this matchup. Poetry in motion where thou art ewe?

[poeticism707]

Who is better? We got the Shaq vs Tim topics. Well lets see how people view this matchup. Poetry in motion where thou art ewe?

Here I come GOBB!

[AtTheDriveIn]

Not another one. Poeticism please don't bump this one to death like you have the other thread.

Hakeem is better! Done!

[Kebab Stall]

Thank you for something different for once. It makes a change from the thousands of Kobe v Jordan v Lebron threads.

Anyway this is a tough choice, both guys were/are excellent players. If I had to choose one or the other based upon their achievements, then obviously Duncan would be the first choice. 2 MVPs, 3 championships, 3 finals MVPs and a potential 4th championship and 4th finals MVP. Compared to Hakeem's 1 MVP, 2 championships and 2 finals MVPs.

Both guys excell(ed) at all aspects of the game. But if I had to choose based on what the player done on the hardwood I would take Hakeem. An aray of low post spins, fakes, passes and fade-away's to dazzle the oponent made Hakeem pretty much unstoppable down low.

[PejaNowitzki]

Hakeem. While Duncan is terrific in the post, and very good at what he does, Hakeem was unbelievable, and damn near unstoppable. The guy had strength and speed and could go around you in a heartbeat.

[poeticism707]

Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard:

Titles: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
Finals MVPs: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
MVPs: Hakeem 1, Duncan 2
DPOY: Hakeem 2, Duncan 0
First team all NBA: Hakeem 6, Duncan 9
first team all defense: Hakeem 5, Duncan 7

Hakeem Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.1rpg, 2.5apg, 3.1bpg
Duncan: 21.8ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg

The only only awards Hakeem has the Duncan doesn't is DPOY, but Duncan already has 2 more first team defense selections, and of the fact that Duncan should easily have multiple DPOY awards by now. Duncan may win his 4th title and 4th MVP in only his 10th year. Again, Hakeem is a great player, but its not close. Tim Duncan is already greater.

One of the excuses I DO NOT want to hear for Hakeem: "Hakeem didn't win more titles because of Jordan." Same as Barkley (except once) Hakeem was in the West, Mike in the East, and they never met in the Finals. Meaning it wasn't Jordan eliminating Hakeem year after year. He is a great player, but there are no "Jordan" excuses for why he didn't win more.

[AtTheDriveIn]

Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard:

Titles: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
Finals MVPs: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
MVPs: Hakeem 1, Duncan 2
DPOY: Hakeem 2, Duncan 0
First team all NBA: Hakeem 6, Duncan 9
first team all defense: Hakeem 5, Duncan 7

Hakeem Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.1rpg, 2.5apg, 3.1bpg
Duncan: 21.8ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg

The only only awards Hakeem has the Duncan doesn't is DPOY, but Duncan already has 2 more first team defense selections, and of the fact that Duncan should easily have multiple DPOY awards by now. Duncan may win his 4th title and 4th MVP in only his 10th year. Again, Hakeem is a great player, but its not close. Tim Duncan is already greater.

One of the excuses I DO NOT want to hear for Hakeem: "Hakeem didn't win more titles because of Jordan." Same as Barkley (except once) Hakeem was in the West, Mike in the East, and they never met in the Finals. Meaning it wasn't Jordan eliminating Hakeem year after year. He is a great player, but there are no "Jordan" excuses for why he didn't win more.

You just base everything on accolades and not actual play. There's no point in arguing with you when you don't know what you're talking about.

[poeticism707]

You just base everything on accolades and not actual play. There's no point in arguing with you when you don't know what you're talking about.

There is no point in arguing when you are arguing legend, and I am arguing facts.

[allball]

Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard:

Titles: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
Finals MVPs: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
MVPs: Hakeem 1, Duncan 2
DPOY: Hakeem 2, Duncan 0
First team all NBA: Hakeem 6, Duncan 9
first team all defense: Hakeem 5, Duncan 7

Hakeem Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.1rpg, 2.5apg, 3.1bpg
Duncan: 21.8ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg

The only only awards Hakeem has the Duncan doesn't is DPOY, but Duncan already has 2 more first team defense selections, and of the fact that Duncan should easily have multiple DPOY awards by now. Duncan may win his 4th title and 4th MVP in only his 10th year. Again, Hakeem is a great player, but its not close. Tim Duncan is already greater.

One of the excuses I DO NOT want to hear for Hakeem: "Hakeem didn't win more titles because of Jordan." Same as Barkley (except once) Hakeem was in the West, Mike in the East, and they never met in the Finals. Meaning it wasn't Jordan eliminating Hakeem year after year. He is a great player, but there are no "Jordan" excuses for why he didn't win more.

no matter how you slice it, Hakeem in his prime would give Duncan fits. no way TD could guard the Dream Shake and what defender has Duncan seen that is equal to the Dream. I dont know about the Jordan factor but the West opponents were brutal and Hakeem's teammates weren't always consistenly good.

TD has the accomplishments but for individual talent no doubt the Dream is the better player and would win the matchup.

[snipes12]

Hakeem will scHool TD just like wHat He did witH,robinson,sHaq,Ewing

[Kebab Stall]

TD has the accomplishments but for individual talent no doubt the Dream is the better player and would win the matchup.

That sums it up perfectly.

[PejaNowitzki]

Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard:

Titles: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
Finals MVPs: Hakeem 2, Duncan 3
MVPs: Hakeem 1, Duncan 2
DPOY: Hakeem 2, Duncan 0
First team all NBA: Hakeem 6, Duncan 9
first team all defense: Hakeem 5, Duncan 7

Hakeem Career: 21.8 ppg, 11.1rpg, 2.5apg, 3.1bpg
Duncan: 21.8ppg, 11.9rpg, 3.2apg, 2.4bpg

The only only awards Hakeem has the Duncan doesn't is DPOY, but Duncan already has 2 more first team defense selections, and of the fact that Duncan should easily have multiple DPOY awards by now. Duncan may win his 4th title and 4th MVP in only his 10th year. Again, Hakeem is a great player, but its not close. Tim Duncan is already greater.

One of the excuses I DO NOT want to hear for Hakeem: "Hakeem didn't win more titles because of Jordan." Same as Barkley (except once) Hakeem was in the West, Mike in the East, and they never met in the Finals. Meaning it wasn't Jordan eliminating Hakeem year after year. He is a great player, but there are no "Jordan" excuses for why he didn't win more.

What the hell do accolades have to do with individual play? Robert Horry has more titles than Duncan and Hakeem combined.


Robert Horry<<<<<<<<<Duncan and Hakeem........at least according to your logic.



However, based on having seen them both play extensively, I would take Hakeem, without a single doubt in my mind.

[LJJ]

What the hell do accolades have to do with individual play? Robert Horry has more titles than Duncan and Hakeem combined.


Robert Horry<<<<<<<<<Duncan and Hakeem........at least according to your logic.

Just so you know: When people talk about titles they usually mean "Titles as a team leader".

:rollingeyes:

[poeticism707]

Just so you know: When people talk about titles they usually mean "Titles as a team leader".

:rollingeyes:

[Da KO King]

Sorry guys, but as great a player as Hakeem is, its not close. Lets review the scorecard....

So media voted awards and accolades mean Duncan is better than Olajuwon? Good to know.

So, if I decide to make a thread stating that Bill Russell and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar are lightyears ahead of Duncan I expect your support fully.