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Old 10-04-2007, 02:03 PM   #1
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Default The Top 100 Greatest NBA Players Of All Time According To ISH

TALK ABOUT THE PLAYERS WHO YOU BELIEVE SHOULD HAVE BEEN HIGHER ON THE LIST, ARE WAY TO HIGH ON THE LIST. ALSO TALK DISCUSS PLAYERS THAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN THE TOP 100 AND PLAYERS THAT HAVE NO BUSINESS BEING ON THIS LIST.


Insidehoops has finally gotten through with it’s 100 Greatest Players list in 100 days (well probably 108 days, I wasn‘t here a couple of days and they went on a while longer). There is a bunch of great players, some hall of famers who didn’t even make this list.


-Gilbert Arenas
-Rolando Blackman
-Walter Davis
-Cliff Hagan
-Lou Hudson
-Gus Johnson
-Marques Johnson
-Bobby Jones
-Bill Laimbeer
-Lafayette Lever
-Ed MaCauley
-Jermaine O’Neal
-Jim Pollard
-Micheal Ray Richardson
-Jack Sikma
-Rudy Tomjanovich
-Chet Walker
-Paul Westphal
Just to name a few…


Thanks to everyone from insidehoops who participated in these threads over the past 100+ days. I’m pretty sure everyone learned something they didn’t know before after voting and reading up on players.


#100 - Mark Aguirre. Mark Aguirre played in an era where the small forward was one of the deepest positions. #5, #12, #43, #58, #60, #61, #71 and #83 were all SF’s he had to play nightly. He held his own with the Dallas Mavericks and latter as a Piston. He made all of him NBA All-Star appearances and his highest scoring average (29.5) with Dallas. He was traded for #71 and helped Dallas win back to back titles as he played with #20, #47 and #62.

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ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham
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51. Nate 'Tiny' Archibald
52. 'Pistol' Pete Maravich
53. Tracy McGrady
54. Hal Greer
55. Jerry Lucas
56. Robert Parish
57. Earl 'the Pearl' Monroe
58. Bernard King
59. Artis Gilmore
60. Alex English
61. James Worthy
62. Joe Dumars
63. Bill Sharman
64. Reggie Miller
65. Paul Arizin
66. Sidney Moncrief
67. Dave DeBusschere
68. Dave Bing
69. David Thompson
70. Lenny Wilkens
71. Adrian Dantley
72. Bob Lanier
73. Neil Johntson
74. Walt Bellamy
75. Vince Carter
76. Spencer Haywood
77. Ray Allen
78. Dennis Johnson
79. Paul Pierce
80. Dikembe Mutombo
81. Connie Hawkins
82. Chris Webber
83. Chris Mullin
84. Grant Hill
85. Mitch Richmond
86. Dan Issel
87. 'Jumpin' Joe Fulks
88. Alonzo Mourning
89. Shawn Kemp
90. Mark Price
91. Anfernee 'Penny' Hardaway
92. Tommy Heinsohn
93. George McGinnis
94. Tim Hardaway
95. Mel Daniels
96. Bob Davies
97. Tom Chambers
98. Maurice Cheeks
99. Ben Wallace
100. Mark Aguirre

#100 Greatest Player Voting
Mark Aguirre = 8 votes
Gilbert Arenas = 3 votes
Lafayette Lever = 3 votes
Jim Pollard = 2 votes
Bobby Jones = 1 vote
Bill Laimbeer = 1 vote
Ed MaCauley = 1 vote
Rik Smits = 1 vote


Number 101 seems to be a tie between Gilbert Arenas and Fat Lever...



Official #100 NBA Player Of All Time According To ISH
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:05 PM   #2
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I can't believe Jack Skima didn't make it. I'm so ashamed.
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:05 PM   #3
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TOO HIGH
-The first player I think that is slightly too high is David Robinson at #19. He’s listed above possibly 3 players from the same era that were better then him. 5 spots lower around 25 or 26 would have been good.

-#24 Kobe Bryant, I thought it was a conspiracy when Kobe got 39 votes to be the 24th Greatest player. #26, #27 and #28. Clyde Drexler, Scottie Pippen and Gary Payton. Someone called it “the attack of the 90’s semi-legends.” While Clyde is my favorites player of All-time, he is about 7-8 spots to high, same with Scottie and GP. All three are about 7-8 spots to high. None of those guys should be over Gervin, the other Clyde, Elvin Hayes, ect.

-Allen Iverson at #31 is also a couple of spots too high.

-Kevin Johnson at #46 is way, way, way too high on the list …way. I could name tons of players on this list thath should be above him. #47, #48 and #49, Dennis Rodman, Dirk Nowitzki and Steve Nash are about 5 spots high. They should be in the early 50’s.

-#52 and #53, Pete Maravich and T-Mac are slightly high on the list. #62 and #63, Joe Dumars and Bill Sharman are too high.
-#75, #77 and #79 … Vince Carter, Ray Allen and Paul Pierce are all at least 10-12 spots too high. Webber, Mullin, DJ, Grant Hill, ect are all better
-#95, Mel Daniels should have been a tad bit higher. Two MVP’s, Three Titles …



TOO LOW
-George Gervin is the first player I thought too be too low at #34. AI,HP, Clyde, ect shouldn’t be above ‘Ice Man’

-Dave DeBuscherre is too low on the list at #67.

-#78 Dennis Johnson is lower then he should be. Ray Allen, Vince Carter, over DJ, ha.

-#82 and #83, former teammates Webber and Mullin are to low. Paul Pierce has a better career then these two guy, yeah right.

-#93 and 94, George McGinnis and Tim Hardaway are to low. KJ #46 and Timmy #94, LOL. Guys played in the same era and where not that far apart. Hell, some would say Timmy is better.



WHY?
#97 Tom Chambers shouldn’t even be on this 100 Greatest List.

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Old 10-04-2007, 02:07 PM   #4
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nice job, kizzle. this took a lot of work on your part. whether or not i agree with the picks doesn't matter. way to put in the time and effort!
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:15 PM   #5
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Yeah, a lot of effort was done on your part...we all appreciate it.
This should be a sticky, and be posted on Insidehoops as an article.
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:23 PM   #6
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TOO HIGH

#46. Kevin Johnson - Honestly, this high? No, KJ is good but not good enough for the top 50. Charles Barkley played with both KJ and Maurice Cheeks, and he said Cheeks was the best point guard he ever played with, and Cheeks is way down at #98!! Ridiculous that KJ is this high!

#47. Dennis Rodman - Probably the worst selection of the entire list. Yes, he owns rebounding titles, but he is just not as good as some people who didn't even make this list!

#53. Tracy McGrady - Not getting past the first round, he doesn't deserve to be this high... And yes, I am a T-Mac fan.

#92. Tommy Heinsohn - Not good enough to be in the top 100.

#99. Ben Wallace - I'm a Ben Wallace fan, don't get me wrong, but I think he just hasn't done it throughout his career or enough to warrant a top 100 spot. I could see other guys taking his place in the top 100. Wallace has been in the league since 1996, but only in 2002 did he really start playing well.

TOO LOW

#49. Steve Nash - Two MVP's and a few trips to the Conference Finals warrant more than the #49 spot.

#71. Adrian Dantley - underrated once again!

#85. Mitch Richmond - One of the most underrated players in the history of the National Basketball Association. Richmond was a sensational scorer, and played exceptionally for numerous years throughout his career.


WHO SHOULD HAVE MADE THE LIST

Glen Rice
Larry Johnson
Bill Laimbeer

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Old 10-04-2007, 02:24 PM   #7
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Old 10-04-2007, 02:40 PM   #8
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dirk nowitzki on 48. Can't complain about that : )

but i would have seen Nash some numbers higher.
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:02 PM   #9
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I still struggle with the idea of Robert Parrish at #56, Dikembe Mutombo at #80 but Dan Issel at #86.
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Old 10-04-2007, 03:43 PM   #10
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I'd have both Willis Reed and Dave Cowens in the late teens low twentys. In with Isiah. I think in clumps that the list is pretty good.

I'd also have Dennis Johnson way higher.


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Old 10-04-2007, 03:52 PM   #11
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Dirk is WAY too high.
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Mark Aguirre is one of the most underrated player in the History of the NBA and one of the best scorer in the 1980's. I think he is also the 2nd best player to ever played in a Dallas Mavericks Franchise.

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In 1986–87 and 1987–88 he made the All-Star Team and averaged 25.7 and 25.1 points, respectively, during the regular season. The Mavericks won more than 50 games each year. The 1987–88 edition of the franchise went 53-29, beat Houston and the Denver Nuggets in the first two rounds of the postseason, then extended the Lakers to seven games before losing in the Western Conference Finals.
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http://www.basketball-reference.com/...aguirma01.html


Career Stats

20.0 PPG, 3.1 APG, 5.0 RPG

Playoff stats

17.1 PPG, 5.3 RPG, 2.6 APG

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Old 10-04-2007, 04:00 PM   #13
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My beef is Barkley at 21 while Rodman is at 47. Yeah, Barkley put up more points, but Rodman was a part of 2 dynasties and had more boards. Basketball is more than just offense.
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Old 10-04-2007, 04:03 PM   #14
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All in all great effort kizz on a great concept. Wait to stick it through right to the end and at least bring a little participation to the NBA lounge during the off season
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Ben Wallace should not even be near this list.
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