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Old 06-29-2008, 01:21 PM   #1
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Default Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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Damon Jones(expirer)
Anderson Varejao
2009 1st Round Pick

Other than ticket sales why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal and gain millions more cap room and have completely rebuilt this team?

I agree that if VC-LeBron works in Cleveland that LeBron might remain in Cleveland in 2010 but in order for LeBron to play for the Nets in 2010 it will partially have to come from a Vince Carter trade elsewhere.
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Old 06-29-2008, 01:23 PM   #2
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

A few reasons.

1.The Nets would be so bad that they might set the record for losses in a season.
2.There is no guarantee to land a superstar
3.The draft is also no guarantee as well as the fact that the 2009 draft sucks
4.That would improve Cleveland a lot and motivate Lebron to stay, killing the purpose of them clearing cap space.
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Old 06-29-2008, 01:25 PM   #3
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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A few reasons.

1.The Nets would be so bad that they might set the record for losses in a season.
2.There is no guarantee to land a superstar
3.The draft is also no guarantee as well as the fact that the 2009 draft sucks
4.That would improve Cleveland a lot and motivate Lebron to stay, killing the purpose of them clearing cap space.
The problem with Nets fans would be that they're minds are already now set on acquiring LeBron.

There's going to be plenty good free agents in that class they could get including D-Wade,Kobe,Melo,Bosh,Boozer,and plenty others.

New Jersey getting Carmelo would be more likely than them getting LeBron but thats just how I see it.
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Old 06-29-2008, 01:28 PM   #4
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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Other than ticket sales why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal and gain millions more cap room and have completely rebuilt this team?

I agree that if VC-LeBron works in Cleveland that LeBron might remain in Cleveland in 2010 but in order for LeBron to play for the Nets in 2010 it will partially have to come from a Vince Carter trade elsewhere.
New jersey wants to have a chance at signing Lebron when he can become a free agent, so they don't want to make the Cavs a better team, so Lebron might thing of staying. Thats one reason I can think of.

If you look at it from just the value the Nets get, they don't get much, combine the 2 expirers and you get a lot of cap relief, a hustle player and a 3 point shooter. Not much young talent offered for a team that is rebuilding.

Not saying it's a horrible trade just that Nets are trying to get Lebron so they can help his current team. Of course they could go after another free agent that summer.
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

I think in time New Jersey will decide that its worth it for them to do that deal. I can see Vince Carter either (a) demanding a trade or (b) playing 100%. He doesn't want spend the twilight of his career playing for a loser, and if they don't deal him soon expect him to come out in the next couple of weeks saying he's not happy hearing his name in trade rumors, even if the Nets are rejecting the offers in those rumors. Knowing Carter's past NJ needs to go ahead and deal him before it gets ugly.
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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A few reasons.

1.The Nets would be so bad that they might set the record for losses in a season.
2.There is no guarantee to land a superstar
3.The draft is also no guarantee as well as the fact that the 2009 draft sucks
4.That would improve Cleveland a lot and motivate Lebron to stay, killing the purpose of them clearing cap space.

Do you remember Vince Carter in 04 after the Raps drafted Chris Bosh and he decided he didn't want to be there any more? Expect him to come back now that Kidd and RJ are gone and were replaced by Devin Harris and Yi.
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

I put this in another thread, but here it is again.

Personally I think the Nets need to keep VC, here's why..

1. He does still draw fans, which are hard enough to lure to the Izod Center, but also on the road, where NJ was actually a pretty big draw (#3 2 seasons ago or for some of last year).

2. He keeps the Nets relevant. They do have Yi to draw attention, but VC will be the only reason you'll keep seeing the Nets on Sportscenter.

3. He and Harris can keep the team respectable... as in 30-35 wins, as opposed to 20-25 wins, which IMO is better for the team. They'll still suck and get nice picks, but they won't be the worst team in the league, which they probably would be w/o Carter. And as shown the NBA does not alwaysa reward tanking.

4. His contract will a huge expirer (17M) in the 2010-2011 season which may be needed to land LBJ or other pieces to the puzzle after the summer of 2010. Often times the biggest names are moved in S&Ts, we need to have at least one monster contract expiring.
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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Do you remember Vince Carter in 04 after the Raps drafted Chris Bosh and he decided he didn't want to be there any more? Expect him to come back now that Kidd and RJ are gone and were replaced by Devin Harris and Yi.
He's going to come back?

I remember how uninspired he played during that last season and 1/2 with Toronto putting up career worsts in numbers and didn't he publicly say something that he wasn't playing hard during that season.

I think this situation now is identical to that situation in Toronto,I don't think VC is the type to publicly demand a trade more like just play with a half assed effort until management gets the point and deals him for whatever they can get that expires.
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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Wally sucks
Why would we send marcus for Gibson?
We dont need another big especially Verajao
The only people in the stands would be asian watching Yi and maybe Beyonce and Jay-z
Our record would probably be 10-72
NJ as we can tell from the Yi trade is all about money these days so really no point good job Rod!
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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I put this in another thread, but here it is again.

Personally I think the Nets need to keep VC, here's why..

1. He does still draw fans, which are hard enough to lure to the Izod Center, but also on the road, where NJ was actually a pretty big draw (#3 2 seasons ago or for some of last year).

2. He keeps the Nets relevant. They do have Yi to draw attention, but VC will be the only reason you'll keep seeing the Nets on Sportscenter.

3. He and Harris can keep the team respectable... as in 30-35 wins, as opposed to 20-25 wins, which IMO is better for the team. They'll still suck and get nice picks, but they won't be the worst team in the league, which they probably would be w/o Carter. And as shown the NBA does not alwaysa reward tanking.

4. His contract will a huge expirer (17M) in the 2010-2011 season which may be needed to land LBJ or other pieces to the puzzle after the summer of 2010. Often times the biggest names are moved in S&Ts, we need to have at least one monster contract expiring.

3.The NBA doesn't reward tanking but almost always something good will come out of it,Boston 2 years ago tanked and ended up with the #5 pick used to acquire Ray Allen,and Miami tanked last season and ended up with Michael Beasley on a team already with Wade/Marion.

4.What would be the lure of LeBron coming to NJ with VC having 1 year left or being on the trading block.Anyways in 3 years VC's value will be almost identical to that of Stephon Marbury's right now.
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

Because the Grizzlies and Timberwolves are the only 2 teams in the league trying to help OTHER teams win the championship. ANy former Cavs on the Nets?
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Do you remember Vince Carter in 04 after the Raps drafted Chris Bosh and he decided he didn't want to be there any more? Expect him to come back now that Kidd and RJ are gone and were replaced by Devin Harris and Yi.
You dont think VC has matured form then????
He will be as inspired as ever to try to make the playoffs book mark this thread :)
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Wally sucks
Why would we send marcus for Gibson?
We dont need another big especially Verajao
The only people in the stands would be asian watching Yi and maybe Beyonce and Jay-z
Our record would probably be 10-72
NJ as we can tell from the Yi trade is all about money these days so really no point good job Rod!
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PF-Sean Williams,Josh Boone

Actually unless you believe Kristic isn't expendable now that Brook Lopez is in New Jersey then New Jersey doesn't really need another big man then.

New Jersey Nets w/o VC(08-09)>>>>>>>>>>>>>Miami Heat(07-08)

Out of all of the losing their will be a player who steps up and builds confidence in themselves as a "star" player.More than likely it would be either Yi or Brook Lopez who'd show the most improvement.
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Default Re: Why wouldn't New Jersey take this deal?

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I put this in another thread, but here it is again.

Personally I think the Nets need to keep VC, here's why..

1. He does still draw fans, which are hard enough to lure to the Izod Center, but also on the road, where NJ was actually a pretty big draw (#3 2 seasons ago or for some of last year).

2. He keeps the Nets relevant. They do have Yi to draw attention, but VC will be the only reason you'll keep seeing the Nets on Sportscenter.

3. He and Harris can keep the team respectable... as in 30-35 wins, as opposed to 20-25 wins, which IMO is better for the team. They'll still suck and get nice picks, but they won't be the worst team in the league, which they probably would be w/o Carter. And as shown the NBA does not alwaysa reward tanking.

4. His contract will a huge expirer (17M) in the 2010-2011 season which may be needed to land LBJ or other pieces to the puzzle after the summer of 2010. Often times the biggest names are moved in S&Ts, we need to have at least one monster contract expiring.

Depends on his mental state man. I like Vince so I hope he doesn't act like I said he would in my other posts, but I mean the past is the best predictor of the future. I think Vince knowing that he was that close to being on a team with LeBron James where he could have contended for a title for the first time in his career, and not have to be the superstar has to intrigue him.

New Jersey could go on and get these bad contracts off their books (Carter and Hassel), and start re-building now. They wouldn't have to wait until LeBron's class to start spending that cap room, they could sign 2 players from next years class which will include Carlos Boozer, Elton Brand, Baron Davis, Shawn Marion, Lamar Odom, etc, and still be able to sign Bron, Melo, or Wade.
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They still probably will trade VC, they just want more than an expirer as an asset in return right now. I'd say that if Cleveland wanted to throw in next years first rounder, and someone like Boobie Gibson or even Devin Brown along with Wally, NJ would bite.
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