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Old 09-01-2006, 11:21 AM   #1
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Default TMac, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, O'Neal = GOLD

People need to stop acting like USA basketball has fallen off the map. It's just that we send 2nd tier players who haven't played together that long. What do you think happened in 1988?

In order to overcome the lack of playing together, we MUST send our very best, otherwise we won't win gold.

So it's either... wait a long time for 2nd tier guys to develop together, or play the very best & win every game. Otherwise... no wins!
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:30 AM   #2
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We send out "2nd tier" and lose. You realize the "first tier" is a small % of American NBA players right? The fact that we have to send our best of the best to bring home victory says something. And while most of these teams play "together" as ONE like voltron for longer periods then Team USA ever will. I wonder how can NBA players from other countries mix in with that bunch easily and not disrupt chemistry if not become the major reason they win. You think Spain and its Gasol/Calderon guys who play in the NBA while Gasol played in the postseason. How can they hop aboard and basically be the main impact players there. Ehhhhhh, another dissapointment for Team USA.

We can say we dont send our best every 4years, every 2 years but while we continue to lose the teams are made up of very good players/talent. Wade, Melo, Bron are the future superstars of the NBA. Dwight Howard included. Team had role players many thought were the right fit. Ehhhhh
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We send out "2nd tier" and lose. You realize the "first tier" is a small % of American NBA players right? The fact that we have to send our best of the best to bring home victory says something. And while most of these teams play "together" as ONE like voltron

When the Spanish Team gets together does Pau form the head?
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Have more international friendlies during the season to build a cohesive unit, like with soccer. Too busy of an NBA season to do this? Then continue losing at the World Championships/Olympics.
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Yes yes he does.


Sidenote: Refs cheated, international refs are suspect. Biased.
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Have more international friendlies during the season to build a cohesive unit, like with soccer. Too busy of an NBA season to do this? Then continue losing at the World Championships/Olympics.

Friendlies?
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:35 AM   #7
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We send out "2nd tier" and lose. You realize the "first tier" is a small % of American NBA players right? The fact that we have to send our best of the best to bring home victory says something.

Yes, it says something. It says that 2nd tier players won't cut it. What do you think happened in 1988? People act like this has been some growing trend since the 1992 dream team and that the USA has been getting worse or the rest of the world has been getting better at basketball.

WRONG. Fact is, throughout history, the US has always struggled to dominate when not sending our very best to international competition.

1992 dream team would dominate today. 1996 Olympic team would dominate today. The 5 best American players in the NBA... would dominate today.

Period.
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Exhibitions and such. We had a few like a week before the championships, but that doesn't really help if it's such a rush job putting the team together.
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USA cant even win in their own sport.

guess they choked
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:37 AM   #10
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The problem is much deeper than just sending the best players. First of all, do the best players even want to be there? Could you even assemble a squad of TMac, Kobe, Duncan, Kidd, and O'Neal? Can you predict if they would play well with each other? Even if the best do play, if they don't have time to gel as a team they won't be able to win an international tournament on sheer talent alone.

There are much more fundamental reasons that the US, with the most physically talented players, hasn't won in int'l competition in so long. The superstar calls, the glorification of the dunk, allowance of the zone, a culture of promoting "highlights" as opposed to good, fundamental play -- all of this is causing a serious erosion in the league's skill level.

I mean, who would have thought - even a decade ago - that anyone would be begging for the very best players to participate in int'l competitions? It used to be that people pretty much thought that you could throw together any US team and they would just naturally dominate the field. Is anyone even suggesting that the best college teams would have a snowball's chance in hell of seriously competing in int't competition now? Florida's team, which dominated the NCAA championship this year wouldn't even have been able to compete.

The rest of the world is getting much better, and the NBA is focused on creating stars and highlight reels. If that doesn't change, the losses will keep coming - no matter who plays. A national team, which plays together on a year-round basis and knows how to play under int'l rules, is the only real answer.
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How do you know they would win, you didnīt even watch a single game of the World Championships. You donīt know any players on Greece. You wouldnīt even know Garbajosa from Schortsianitis.
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:38 AM   #12
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USA cant even win in their own sport.

guess they choked


Arent you from England? They haven't won in their sport since 66.
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We send out "2nd tier" and lose. You realize the "first tier" is a small % of American NBA players right? The fact that we have to send our best of the best to bring home victory says something. And while most of these teams play "together" as ONE like voltron for longer periods then Team USA ever will. I wonder how can NBA players from other countries mix in with that bunch easily and not disrupt chemistry if not become the major reason they win. You think Spain and its Gasol/Calderon guys who play in the NBA while Gasol played in the postseason. How can they hop aboard and basically be the main impact players there. Ehhhhhh, another dissapointment for Team USA.

We can say we dont send our best every 4years, every 2 years but while we continue to lose the teams are made up of very good players/talent. Wade, Melo, Bron are the future superstars of the NBA. Dwight Howard included. Team had role players many thought were the right fit. Ehhhhh

International stars are developed by their home teams FIBA programs.....Pau Gasol has played with several of his teamates B4 and does so for any major FIBA Euro tourney he's not with his NBA team.

Also again the fact that a bunch of 20-24 year olds NOT WINNING THE GOLD is the reason the DreamTeam was created anyway.....why would sending guys who are that young work now?

Sabonis was better than anyone this U.S team saw and there are several other greats and even ALL-STARs like Detlef and of Course Hakeem......The biggest Euro jump happened already and now South America is added but the world hasn't moved signifigantly forward since 1996.



On teh U.S team on Brand and Wrinkle head can say that.
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:38 AM   #14
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Yes, it says something. It says that 2nd tier players won't cut it. What do you think happened in 1988? People act like this has been some growing trend since the 1992 dream team and that the USA has been getting worse or the rest of the world has been getting better at basketball.

WRONG. Fact is, throughout history, the US has always struggled to dominate when not sending our very best to international competition.

1992 dream team would dominate today. 1996 Olympic team would dominate today. The 5 best American players in the NBA... would dominate today.

Period.

And Kidd is not one of the 5. Go figure.
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Old 09-01-2006, 11:42 AM   #15
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And Kidd is not one of the 5. Go figure.

No, but he's the best American PG, idiot.

Do I really have to type "best player at each position in the USA" for you to figure it out? Get ****ed.
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