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Again... nobody said Bosh was KG or Tim Duncan. Yes his post defense wasn't great especially against guys who had 100 lbs on him... doesn't take PHD in physics to figure that out... but his versatility and agility and footspeed guarding the perimeter as an almost 7 footer was elite. And his defensive metrics were way better than all of the stars...

Bosh couldn’t defend shaq well so therefore he was a bad defender? Dope logic.

I don’t feel a need for another 300 obvious example argument about why numbers don’t necessarily make two players equal even in the same league…. And definitely don’t across eras. Is the kind of thing everyone knows what has to selectively ignore to make points. I’ll just say I’ve been reading a lot of really old raptors discussions today. It’s...

You’ve molested children. F.Diddy over here (F stands for fat)

OP bending over for the white race, pathetic Just so you know them crackers will never regard you as their equal, you will always be the inferior mexican dude that lives next door

I actually watched Toronto Bosh while you were still in middle school, nothing about his defense stood out. He was a poor post defender mainly because he was pretty skinny, and most of the time the effort simply wasn't there mainly because he was the offense of Toronto. He gave you some rim protection because of his length, but he was always known...

you've sucked d1ck for crack :lol

comparing him to mcdyess is disrespectful i’ve seen you simp for guys who never won a ring and how it’s so unfair they get criticism for things they can’t control, and that is why lebron made a super team, it’s ring counting fans, blah blah blah now you come around and shit on bosh for not setting the world on fire with jose calderon in...

See this is where you need to pay attention to the debate and not hop in without reading like a fool. Reading is fundamental. Kblaze was listing guys like Lavine or Beal types who put up huge statlines on great efficiency as a comparison to Chris Bosh. Chris Bosh's defense however was way better than theirs. He was in the big time positive when...

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Nothing to project about. It’s the same thing I’ve been consistently saying about the exact same players for 18 years. You could pull my text on Bosh word for word from 15 to 18 years ago and slide them in with shit I said last year and not tell them apart. I don’t need to bullshit anybody. I don’t need to come with a bunch of takes I don’t...

You’re weird and gay.

jesus. you idiots are going at each other at 2:30 on a monday morning? it's clear that neither one of you work or have anything meaningful going on in your lives. losers. :rolleyes:

That’s fair I’m just giving you a heads up that it is a shitty stat. source: https://www.basketball-reference.com/about/bpm2.html

You forgot to add 6 finals losses to LeBron's* resume.

All defensive advanced stats have flaws, tpols was the one who brought up advanced defensive metrics for Bosh's case. Toronto Bosh and defense do not go hand in hand.

Bosh is honestly MUCH closer to McDyess than he is to 2010 Kobe :lol

DBPM is the worst stat. Creator of the stat even admits it. Google it, it’s in writing on basketball reference.

That’s a whole lotta words to dance around the fact that your criticisms with bosh aren’t consistent with other dudes you talk about. You can say I have the agenda when you are obviously projecting. Didn’t you call Bosh Antonio McDyess a few posts ago? You are gonna try to clutch your pearls and act like 3ball and I are trolls and come...

Bosh's defensive box plus/minus was in the negative throughout his 7 years in Toronto and the Raptors had the worst defense in the NBA in 2010 with Bosh. Using defense as some sort of decisive factor when arguing for Toronto Bosh is retarded.

Nobody said Bosh was a defensive force, but again he had way better defensive metrics than a Zach Lavine or Bradley Beal type. Like... way better. This is documented fact. His splits were always in the big time positive. There are a lot of go to scorers who gave up just as much as they produced. Bosh simply wasn't one of them.

typical for OP

Bosh was never known as a defender in Toronto. His defense peaked in Miami, and his post defense was always mediocre. It's crazy how much people are trying to re-write history in this thread, from warriorfan saying Bosh > Kobe in 2010 and now tpols saying Bosh was some defensive force in Toronto.

various sources have confirmed that patrickchewing is unable to control his bowl movements.

Zach lavine did have a better offensive season than Pippen ever did when he averaged 27/5/5 on elite efficiency. The problem is dude doesn't play defense. His splits for ORTG and DRTG are literally neutral and even negative at times... meaning he gives up just as many buckets as he makes. That simply wasn't the case with Chris Bosh. His...

Bosh’s team in toronto was way worse

I made a topic in 2003 saying I didn’t understand why people feel the need to wait to acknowledge what’s right in front of them. I think the specific example I used was Kobe and Tmac that season versus bird in like 1984. I said in 20 years, it will be considered a perfectly valid question to ask 2003 Kobe/Tmac versus 1984 bird. so why isn’t it...