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If Jordan doesn’t get hurt, the 02 Wizards would’ve made the playoffs and could’ve realistically gotten to the Finals, only to get destroyed by the Lakers. Has just as much, if not more to do with how incredibly weak the East was as it does to do with Jordan’s greatness.

The trolls putting words in my mouth again. :facepalm Doubt jonas and jokic would play together much. D matters

I really hope he ends up staying. The three big rotation of Jokic, Gordon and JV can make them a dominant team next year, especially with the other moves theyve made. It not only buys Jokic a few extra minutes of rest each game, which should benefit his fourth quarter shooting and defense, but it also keeps a big in the dunker spot when GORDON is...

The early part of the movie felt average because the protagonist gets sidelined with severe injury, a somewhat sad moment. But the mid and late parts become more interesting, as he recovers and claws his way back to relevance and competition. I still find the prequel (released in 2011) to be slightly better and more funny though. Overall: 7.5/10

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I'll tell you what's gross..... Axe's foul odor.

Well, he doesn't have a GOAT case, but let's put that aside for the moment. The rest of what you said is correct, and the fact that he's a net negative at 40 years old is not a black mark on the rest of his career (except for his playoff choke - that's a black mark at any age). But even though it's not a black mark, threads like this come about...

And even at 40 years old when he was completely washed, he was STILL better than 40-year-old Lebron. Hakeem gets a little bit underrated these days.

Clayton jr. Showing the whole package. Could be starting with sexton gone. Ace is athletic and talented but very raw. Probably should start in gleague but wont. Easier to lose games with gleafiers

So LeBron didn’t choke cause of all the pressure and the stage. The Dallas Mavericks, who were not some all-time great defensive team, just had maybe the greatest defensive performance ever by causing who some believe is the GOAT to have the greatest ppg drop-off in the finals vs regular season ever? They were able to do something that all these...

MJ goating

He may be sometimes considering the circumstance. Plus minus isn't a tool for dummies thats for sure. You have to see the lineups guys are ran in amongst other things most fans are too lazy to check. But let's entertain for a moment that Lebron's actually a net negative player despite what your eyes will show. Hes old and no one gets bad makrs for...

the occupation, and again this is where these terms get sketchy without context, didn't end in 2005. israel's internal military presence within gaza ended, but transitioned into a besiegement, if you will. in effect, think of it as the equivalent of armed guards leaving the room that you're being held prisoner in, shutting the door behind them...

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Yet he's top 3 all-time according to the biggest braindead casual itb. Lmao.

How could you possibly not have a great +/- when you're on the court with guys like Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, AD, Reaves, Luka, Westbrook, Carmelo, Dwight Howard, Brandon Ingram, etc.? Nobody in the history of the sport has achieved less with that much help.

Took me a while to find this, but this is poster GOAT hypothetical All-NBA Defense Teams and DPOYs in the 50s and 60s. He had Wilt coming in 2nd to Russell in just about every season and even had him winning twice over Russell. http://www.insidehoops.com/forum/showthread.php?190405-All-Defensiev-teams-1955-1968

I'd say they're pretty much equal but Jordan played more games so edge goes to him.

I'm assuming you guys mean raw +/-, I'm pretty sure net rating-wise it's Jokic just because of the teams he's had.

Wizards were 6 - 6 without Stackhouse. Jordan had better advanced numbers and on/off. Stackhouse played pretty badly post-ASB.

Can't lose much more than we have been. As for the logjam at forward, Middleton or Kispert is probably on their way out.

^BITCH FIT The stink weasel just can't stop melting down over his hero being a net negative. :lebroncry:

good actor, rip.

The rating is actually 6.8 even meant to edit that. Def too low. The only absurd thing was DeNiros "GF" freaking out over him saying he has to do 1 more thing and then they could get together. She never even comited to him before so wtf is the problem lol

MJ was 40. He wasn’t a good defender by that stage either, although the advanced metrics suggest he was better than Stackhouse that year on defense while Stackhouse has the edge on offense. They seem pretty much the same caliber of players in terms of impact.