2016- Yet another long off-season [Archive] - Page 2 - Message Board Basketball Forum

Xiao Yao You

07-02-2016, 06:18 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2016/7/2/12087094/nba-free-agency-2016-joe-johnson-utah-jazz-gordon-hayward-rodney-hood-22-ways

So this marks the second time we have a young player on the Jazz who was drafted that was later on paired up with that player's idol growing up. The first was Dante Exum (2014 Draft) and Joe Ingles (2014 Free Agent). Now Rodney Hood (2014 Draft) and Joe Johnson (2016 Free Agent).
That's cool. Hood gets to learn from his guy. Amazing what having vets around can do.

Hayward has no post-up game, and as a lead guy hasn't been spectacular as a 1st option. Johnson does have a post-up game, and at times can put a team on his back and carry them to big wins. Johnson also has a more ideal diversity of where he gets his shots on the floor, and how he gets the ball. Hayward has bulked up to 230, but will be 10 pounds lighter than Johnson. I don't think we want him to get much bigger, but learn to better use his body to get an advantage over smaller defenders. Johnson is one of the last of a breed of guards who have post-up skills. Hayward desperately needs to get as much as he can to take his game to the next level.

Believe that is one of the things he is working on this off-season.

Xiao Yao You

07-02-2016, 06:34 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4075110-155/kragthorpe-joe-johnson-makes-jazz-even

[QUOTE]Now, if the Jazz can just get one more shooter, such as a big man who can spread the court

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 05:44 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657367/Utah-Jazz-forward-Trevor-Booker-to-sign-with-Brooklyn-Nets.html

Booker's departure also opens up a possible roster spot for Weber State big Joel Bolomboy. The Jazz's late second-round selection, who's participating with the team's summer league for the next couple of weeks, has similar energy but more athleticism and rebounding prowess than the Brooklyn-bound baller.
Not many people more athletic than Booker. Believe it when I see it. There's a spot for the guy if he can play not because Booker left.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 10:45 AM

[QUOTE]Garrett Temple, who has spent the last four years with the Wizards and is an unrestricted free agent, could be on his way out door with more teams having expressed interest than ever before, (http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/washington-wizards/least-5-other-teams-show-interest-wizards-garrett-temple) league sources tell CSNmidatlantic.com on Saturday night. In addition to the Wizards who contacted Temple by the time the period open Friday, the Boston Celtics, Denver Nuggets, Sacramento Kings, New Orleans Pelicans and Atlanta Hawks have talked to the 6-6 guard via phone.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 11:54 AM

Adrian Wojnarowski: The Utah Jazz are finalizing a deal to send guard Trey Burke to the Washington Wizards for a future pick, (http://*********.com/social/) league sources tell @The Vertical.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 12:04 PM

Looks like he is their back-up at the moment. So good luck to Trey.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 12:25 PM

The roster is at 15 with Mack, Withey and Johnson's contracts not guaranteed yet. I guess they gave a partial guarantee to Ford as well but that is more of a D-league thing.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 12:31 PM

4 spots for fall camp to fill

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 12:42 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--wizards-acquire-trey-burke-from-jazz-160045495.html

2021 2nd rounder

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 12:50 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-trades-and-deadline/2016/7/3/12090262/nba-trade-rumors-2016-utah-jazz-trey-burke-washington-wizards-bradley-beal-john-wall

In a contract year worth $3 million and change he's an easy player to absorb in today's crazy, wild, cap space projections.
Looks like 3rd pg pay. I'd imagine they'll at least want someone to compete with him for the 2nd pg.

But I know Utah will be fine as well, with Hill, Exum, and Neto taking care of things even if they have to say goodbye to Mack (They do not, but he's not on the books right now and the roster is already pretty full).

Love how everyone is dismissing one of their best players from last year. Hard to imagine not picking up his contract at least. I can see trading him because they may not be able to afford him next season but he should be considered the starter right now.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 01:25 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4077308-155/report-jazz-trade-trey-burke-to

The Jazz and Burke had been discussing a contract buyout that would make him an unrestricted free agent before changing course over the weekend.

One team was interested?

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 01:35 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657396/Jazz-trade-Trey-Burke-to-Washington-Wizards-for-second-round-pick.html

That leaves the Jazz about $10 million below the NBA's salary floor ($84.7 million) and $20 below the salary cap ($94.1 million).
Could still get a pretty good big for that and give Favors what's left. Should be able to go over the cap for Favors. Could still look to strengthen the end of the bench. Just got more flexibility with 12 guaranteed contracts.

The Jazz still have somewhat of a logjam at the point guard position, with the rehabbing Exum, Mack, Neto and veteran George Hill in the mix.

There's only a logjam if Exum shows he belongs on the court. The moves they've made tell me they aren't counting on him to start the year.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 01:46 PM

[QUOTE]Jody Genessy: The [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Jazz will definitely pick up Shelvin Mack

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 01:51 PM

13 guaranteed with Mack

CakeorDeath

07-03-2016, 01:51 PM

Wasn't much doubt. One of the best bargains in the league at 2 million something.

Bye bye Neto. I don't think they'll totally ship him out, but he's going to the D-League or they'll stash him in Europe.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 02:29 PM

I think Exum has to prove he belongs on the floor at both ends first. Can he still defend? Can he do anything else now? It sounds like the tanking is finally over and he's actually going to have to earn his floor time with everyone else this year. He seems more likely to go to the D-league to me. Prove he can run a team first.

Mack should be starting at the 1 based on what we've seen with Hill starting at the 2. Neto should be backing up Mack.

Xiao Yao You

07-03-2016, 02:31 PM

They can't stash Neto in Europe.

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 08:22 AM

The Kings are pursuing options for Gay, (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article87499517.html) according to league sources. The market for Gay might take shape after Oklahoma City’s Kevin Durant decides where he will sign. Koufos is a solid center who could help a good team. The Kings were pleased with him last season, primarily as a backup, but the team loaded up on big men in the draft (Georgios Papagiannis and Skal Labissiere) and free agency (Tolliver).
– via Sacramento Bee (http://www.sacbee.com/sports/nba/sacramento-kings/kings-blog/article87499517.html)
Would love Koufos again. He doesn't hit the 3 but he might actually be an upgrade on Withey.

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 11:59 AM

The Jazz should be looking for a division title now.

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 12:12 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/04/joe-johnson-trevor-booker-utah-jazz-nightmare-begins/

[QUOTE]Booker has been the heart and soul of the Jazz franchise. He

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 12:14 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/

don't think I've seen this site before.

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 03:29 PM

[QUOTE]drian Wojnarowski: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]For the Spurs to complete the Gasol signing, they

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 08:12 PM

[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski: Sources: Charlotte still trying to move Spencer Hawes contract to clear additional space for a center. Roy Hibbert and Zaza Pachulia are top of the list (http://*********.com/social/).

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 08:27 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/7/4/12094622/nba-summer-league-2016-utah-jazz-full-roster-and-final-thoughts

First of all, we want to see good things from Lyles and Bolomboy. Everyone else is kind of not-important to the Utah Jazz in the big picture.

Seriously? Right now the only ones that matter are Lyles and Pleiss until someone else shows they are important. Pleiss could be the 4th big!

The wings don't impress anyone. Christmas has a lot of experience, and this isn't his first go-around with the Jazz in the summer. He's been in the pipeline and is closer to 30 than anyone else on the squad. He will be showing these younger cats a thing or two. For sure. But can he show the Jazz enough to get an invite to training camp? We always want three and D guys, and Christmas has been auditioning for that role for a while.

He's actually pretty impressive as a former NBA player. He might have a chance at making the club which is pretty important.

ibor is an x-factor here. Is he going to impress and make the Jazz feel the need to keep him -- or will the team get enough data on him to actually know what they have on their hands with him, and move him? We'll see.

I think they already have a pretty good idea. Not like he's going to get a whole better at his age.

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 08:51 PM

[QUOTE]The Hornets have been trying to trade Spencer Hawes and the remaining $11.7 million on his contract to clear salary-cap space, a move that will likely require the Hornets to attach a future draft pick, (http://sports.yahoo.com/news/sources--roy-hibbert--hornets-reach-deal-002248470.html) league sources said.

El Kabong

07-04-2016, 11:15 PM

and a pick!
They just gave away their first rounder for Marco Belinelli for some reason, now they gotta give another one to get rid of Hawes? You'd hope it would only be a 2nd rounder.

Honestly though, is Hibbert much more of an upgrade? He's been looking like the walking dead over the last year or so.

Xiao Yao You

07-04-2016, 11:59 PM

Hibbert is a better defender and they are only giving him 5 million which isn't even rotation money now.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 12:15 AM

Hanlan has improved a lot as I figured he would. Ahead of this year's picks. He looked like a possible roster guy. Could take Chris Johnson's spot or Neto/Mack if there's a move and lead the D-league team.

Wallace was active. Bolomboy hit the glass but I'm not sure that's enough. Pleiss had his moments. He should do more at this level though if he's going to be in the NBA.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 09:10 AM

[QUOTE]Chris Reichert: Erick Green (Reno Bighorns in 15/16) will be at Las Vegas SL with the Portland Trail Blazers, (http://*********.com/social/) per a league source

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 04:15 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4083369-155/monson-post-durant-jazzs-new-challenge-is

The difference between this team now and the team that Tyrone Corbin coached a few years back is that Corbin's team had veterans on it that were taking time away from the youngsters. Many of those younger players are more developed now, and Dennis Lindsey is buttressing that young core with veterans like George Hill and Joe Johnson, who will only help the core, not hinder it.

Young guys will lose minutes this year. There's no difference. There's competing and there's tanking. Lindsey is finally done tanking. It's a year late but what the hell I guess. Withey losing minutes to Lyles last year cost them a lot of wins.

[QUOTE]But already, before the Jazz have even made the playoffs, the concern has reared up as to whether they can keep their players. Gordon Hayward can leave after this next season, and make

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 04:23 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4080540-155/utah-jazz-german-center-tibor-pleiss

While others on the Jazz's summer roster are simply fighting for contracts next season, Pleiss' deal is secure.

He's fighting for a roster spot.

Come training camp this fall, Pleiss will likely have to battle with Jeff Withey for minutes at backup center and said he hasn't had detailed discussions with Jazz management about his expected role next season.
Not much of a battle there. What about Bolomboy? I thought he was supposed to be their next great big instantly? Right now Pleiss has to show he's better than him and the other bigs not named Lyles on the roster.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 04:58 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657436/Breaking-down-Utah-Jazz-guards-and-wings-after-the-addition-of-Joe-Johnson-subtraction-of-Trey.html

The addition of Johnson will surely be more the more impactful transaction.

Really? He should help them with his scoring, shooting, playmaking and leadership but Hill brings all that and D and also could get minutes at what has been their weakest position before getting Mack. I'd say Hill is the bigger get. Johnson would have been a few years ago.

The 6-foot-7, 240-pound Johnson could give Rodney Hood a run for his money at the starting shooting guard spot, but his versatility could also allow him to spell Hood and small forward Gordon Hayward, as well as play power forward if Snyder wants to go with a smaller option there at times.

Until I see Hill run the offense as good as Mack or even Neto I'd say he's the starting 2. I see Joe as their PF in small line-ups coming off the bench as a scorer and someone to help spread out the D and maybe give them some post game when Favors is out.

With both Johnson and fellow recent acquisition George Hill, Snyder now has multiple players who will effectively be able to play multiple positions.

He has two more anyway. From the way everyone is talking Hill is just a pg. :rolleyes:

During the 2015-2016 campaign, a young Utah team often found itself in close games down the stretch, with players such as Hayward and Hood getting called upon to produce in pressure moments. Their lack of experience in such situations often led to the Jazz coming up short.
While Hood and Hayward now have some experience in being the go-to guys at the end of games, the addition of Johnson not only takes pressure off them, but Snyder now has a number of options he can go to when the game is on the line.

Even more important that there won't be as many close games because they are a lot better now.

[QUOTE]Johnson

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 05:03 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/jazz-summer-league-squad-falls-to-spurs-anderson-co-90-69/

[QUOTE]So last year

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 05:06 PM

[QUOTE]Adrian Wojnarowski: San Antonio has traded forward Boris Diaw to the Utah Jazz, (http://*********.com/social/) league sources tell @The Vertical.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 05:07 PM

Please trade Withey! He deserves to play. He's too good to be riding the bench.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 05:08 PM

Can live with Pleiss as 5th big for now. Don't think they necessarily need a 6th one. Sorry Bolomboy fans.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 05:18 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/04/ten-players-look-utah-jazz-summer-league/2/

[QUOTE]The reason he

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 05:19 PM

Paige will likely start his career in the Developmental League with the Stars

He will? :rolleyes:

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 05:22 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/04/ten-players-look-utah-jazz-summer-league/10/

[QUOTE]Lyles struggled last season to get stops on the defensive end and he didn

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 06:22 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-trades-and-deadline/2016/7/5/12101466/nba-free-agency-2016-san-antonio-spurs-trade-boris-diaw-utah-jazz-olivier-hanlan-trey-lyles

While I do lament the loss of one of our two Canadians, Diaw is more ready to help this team than the, at best, 5th string point guard.

Might be higher up at the 2 where he started last night.

Right now the bigman rotation exists in some sort of stasis right now as we don't know if Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) will be the 3rd big or the fourth behind Trey Lyles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com).

Diaw I would think. Similar players really. Diaw is better at this stage though. What Lyles loses in minutes he'll gain by getting mentored by Diaw.

Behind that foursome the team has Tibor Pleiss (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pleisti01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) under contract, but the tall German isn't really ready to be a 5th big in my mind.

I think he showed he can play a bit if called upon. I'm alright with it for now. If there's injuries and he has to play a lot I might change my mind. Withey needs to go!

And last, and least, we have the raw, athletic rookie Joel Bolomboy (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolomjo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) -- who is likely to play with the Salt Lake City Stars if at all.

We'll see how he progresses over summer league.

He has a non-guaranteed deal for next season, 2017-18, for $7.500 million.

I predict they have to pick that up at that price but it's nice to have flexibility.

As of right now the Jazz still are $10.469 million UNDER the cap. The minimum (90% of the cap) means the team still needs to add a little more salary, but are sitting really close to that at 89%. A Bolomboy signing or confirming the non-guaranteed's for some may put them over that threshold. Not a bad off-season, Dennis Lindsey.

Favors contract. I think there may be more movement. The rotation is getting crowded though I could see Neto going to the bench to start the year at least.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 09:52 PM

Paige looked better. He's going to have to put on some weight I'd think though to play in the league.

I like Wallace. Bolomboy sucked. Ford is better than last year's D-league hopeful O'Brien.

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 10:04 PM

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 10:30 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4084271-155/utah-jazz-to-guarantee-final-year

no brainer

Xiao Yao You

07-05-2016, 10:39 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657503/Breaking-down-Utah-Jazz-frontcourt-after-adding-Boris-Diaw-subtracting-Trevor-Booker.html

Most good teams have a player on their bench who will do the “dirty work,” but as of now, Favors and Gobert will likely be the ones to carry that mantle.
Chris Johnson and Neto.

With the Nets, Booker should move into a primary backup role at power forward.
Looks like he's starting at the moment.

With Favors, Gobert, Lyles and Diaw sure to receive most of the frontcourt minutes and Withey and Bolomboy in the mix, the last question about Utah’s bigs concerns second-year center Tibor Pleiss.
Bolomboy is in the mix and Pleiss isn't? :facepalm

He’s on the books for $3 million in the 2016-2017 campaign, but Utah could decide to move on and waive him if they’re unable to find a trade partner, which seems unlikely given his lack of value.
Lindsey said there was interest in all their players at the trade deadline. They moved their other guy that hasn't really proven himself in Burke.

Xiao Yao You

07-06-2016, 12:05 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657464/Report-Utah-Jazz-acquire-Boris-Diaw-in-a-trade-with-the-Spurs.html

A young squad that lacked depth, veteran leadership, experience and flexibility to play big and small and somewhere in between acquired three players who are all capable of helping them accomplish just that.

Not sure they lacked any of that they just got more of it. The one thing I see that they got was 3 good players who can all shoot the ball. They will smash all Jazz 3 point records I'm sure.

[QUOTE]

Xiao Yao You

07-06-2016, 02:18 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/06/slc-summer-league-day-2-utah-jazz-fall-boston-celtics/

Lyles still has ways to go in his passing and defense. However, his post-up game is moving in the right direction.

They need more post ups. Gobert was talking abut his hook last night, Joe Johnson can post up.

Paige has a realistic chance of making it work in the NBA.

Looks like he needs to put on some weight first.

What stands out for Wallace is his composure and strength. Wallace is really strong for a point guard.

He's active. He's the one I'd see on the roster if anyone right now but he's not quite there yet.

[QUOTE]Quincy Ford is a decent and unselfish player. While I don

Xiao Yao You

07-06-2016, 08:07 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4088287-155/utah-jazz-weber-states-joel-bolomboy?fullpage=1

Bolomboy says he'll carry that chip with him into training camp.

He hasn't looked good enough for camp. Stash.

Xiao Yao You

07-06-2016, 08:23 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657541/Grading-the-Utah-Jazzs-offseason-so-far.html

Furthermore, they could have a sleeper in Weber State’s Joel Bolomboy.
May have nothing

Guaranteeing the contracts of Jeff Withey and Shelvin Mack are formalities.
Withey wouldn't be guaranteed until January and with 16 on the roster and him not being a coach favorite he has to go.

In the past two years, Utah point guards have combined for a PER of 11.9, three points below league average. Hill? 17.3.
and Mack?

If everyone stays healthy, these moves should put the Jazz in a position to make a run at the No. 4 seed and home-court advantage in the first round of the 2017 playoffs.
The goal should be 3rd seed and no more excuses. They are deeper.. They are older

the Jazz now have a bona fide starter — maybe two, with Exum

and Mack and Neto might be even better.

And now the man, who will most likely be first off the bench for Utah, is too.

considering his age and Burks being a top 6th man and in my mind Hood joining them it could be someone different every night.

Johnson provides depth, basically replacing Chris Johnson with a seven-time all-star

Chris could still be on the team

Xiao Yao You

07-06-2016, 08:42 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657532/Analysis-How-the-additions-of-George-Hill-Joe-Johnson-and-Boris-Diaw-affect-Utah-Jazzs-salary-cap.html?pg=2

The Jazz, of course, could elect to resign Johnson two summers from now if they want

Might have an option for the 2nd year. Could be front loaded. You should have waited a day and got the details.

[QUOTE]truth be told, he

Xiao Yao You

07-06-2016, 09:04 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/06/wheelin-dealin-utah-jazz-get-boris-diaw-re-up-shelvin-mack/

[QUOTE]Mack averaged nearly 13 points, five assists and four rebounds after joining the Jazz at the trade deadline. He also started 27 of his 28 appearances with the team down the stretch.
With the acquisition of Hill and the impending return of Dante Exum (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Mack will likely become the team

CakeorDeath

07-06-2016, 11:57 PM

Right now I see it as Rudy/Favors/Hayward/Hill/Mack with Burks/Hood/Johnson/Diaw/Lyles off the bench. Neto/Exum/Ingles/Johnson/Pleiss bench. Trade Withey. Ford to the D-league. Exum possibly D-league until he's ready to beat someone out for minutes. Neto is too good for the D-league I think. He was a solid starter last year.

Jazz are way higher on Exum than you are. Exum will not play behind Neto or Mack and they sure as hell aren't sending him to the D-League.

They will ease Exum in to make sure he is 100% after the injury. To start the year, Jazz depth chart will be:

Hill/Exum/Mack
Burks/Hood
Hayward/Johnson
Favors/Lyles
Gobert/Diaw/Withey

By the end of the year, presuming everyone is healthy, Exum could slide into the starting spot and the wing rotation might change. The only guaranteed starter on the wing is Hayward, though I do think Johnson will primarily play off the bench (with Diaw) to provide the second unit with experience and poise. I expect Johnson to finish most close games, though.

I see Diaw as the third big, and will spell whomever of Favors/Gobert gets into foul trouble.

As far as trading Withey, who knows? Would have liked the Jazz to have gotten Bogut since he was available for nothing, and is on the last year of his deal. A one year rental could have worked out nicely. Oh well. Would like to see the Jazz get Ezeli if possible, given that Diaw is 34 and on the last year of his deal. Diaw has 2-3 years left in the league whereas Ezeli is only 28. Signing him would guarantee we would go over the cap to resign Favors, Gobert, and Hayward, but that seems to be an inevitability if the Jazz are serious about keeping their core together.

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 05:17 AM

Jazz are way higher on Exum than you are. Exum will not play behind Neto or Mack and they sure as hell aren't sending him to the D-League.

They will ease Exum in to make sure he is 100% after the injury.

If he's not 100% he can rehab in the D-league and learn how to run a team like he should have two years ago. From what they are saying people will actually have to earn their minutes again finally.

Neto was better last year then Exum was as a rookie. He plays both ends of the court and does all the things they want from him hit open 3's, play D, pass, and run the pick and roll.

The one thing Exum did well he may not be able to do coming off knee surgery. Other than 3 quarters or whatever it was in a Summer League game we've seen absolutely nothing from Exum offensively. He had a historically bad offensive year and his lack of aggression was worrisome before he blew out his knee.

I hope he's everything people hype him up to be but until he actually shows on the court it he shouldn't be given nothing. Trey Burke would be a lot better off now if he'd had to earn his way as a Jazz man. Right now I'd be happy if Exum could defend multiple positions and hit open 3's. Until than he shouldn't be playing if they are in win now mode which they do appear to be a year later thanks to Hayward's coming free agency.

Mack was one of their best players and should be the starter going in to camp until someone shows they can run the team better. They had the number 1 D while he started too so the one thing Exum is hailed for they didn't miss once they had Mack running the offense. The lack of respect he(and to a lesser extent Neto who was a solid starter and role player) has been given since they got Hill, is sad really after the way he played.

Burks/Hood

So why do you have Burks starting over Hood when everyone else seems to think Hood is an automatic starter?

I do think Johnson will primarily play off the bench (with Diaw) to provide the second unit with experience and poise.

They will be on the bench because of their D.

I expect Johnson to finish most close games, though.

I can see the end of game guys changing a lot now. Quin is not Jerry and actually makes moves based on game situations and match-ups.

As far as trading Withey, who knows?

He has to go. He's a rotation player rather Quin likes him or not. He shouldn't have to sit the bench for another year.

Would have liked the Jazz to have gotten Bogut since he was available for nothing, and is on the last year of his deal. A one year rental could have worked out nicely.

Doesn't hit the 3. Probably had no interest despite him being an Aussie.

Would like to see the Jazz get Ezeli if possible, given that Diaw is 34 and on the last year of his deal. Diaw has 2-3 years left in the league whereas Ezeli is only 28.

So Lyles goes to the bench? If they sign another big it won't be a rotation player. Will be to upgrade Pleiss.

Signing him would guarantee we would go over the cap to resign Favors, Gobert, and Hayward, but that seems to be an inevitability if the Jazz are serious about keeping their core together.

They'll go over the cap, probably this year. Doesn't sound like they'll ever pay the tax again though.

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 10:52 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-draft/2016/7/7/12116370/nba-draft-2016-utah-jazz-future-picks-2017-2018-2019-2020-2021

2nd Rounder (Golden State Warriors) - Likely to be another #60 pick. Man, Utah didn't get a lot of useful picks from this three-team trade, but I guess Hood was a steal. These back-to-back #60 picks? Less so.

Way too early to tell. I like their 60th pick. He might not be ready this year but maybe next like Hanlan.

1st Rounder (Oklahoma City Thunder) - This is the theoretical pick from the Kanter trade. It's really theoretical though, as it has lottery protection (1st to 14th pick) in 2018, 2019, and 2020. So even if a Kevin Durant (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/duranke01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) less- Thunder miss the NBA Playoffs (http://www.sbnation.com/nba-playoffs) this season we're not getting the pick. Same with next year, and the following year after that. In fact, if the Jazz do not get this pick at all over the next three years then this glorious 1st rounder defaults into two 2nd rounders (2020, and 2021). What a bad pick. It's like the Jazz were highly motivated to move Kanter and weren't getting a lot for him.

Too early to say. If they keep Westbrook they could make the playoffs. 15th pick next year would be nice. As far as Kanter they got a lot just not paying him and letting Rudy loose on the league. Still have Pleiss too.

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 01:04 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657583/Morning-links-Zach-Lowe-of-ESPN-calls-the-Jazz-a-four-seed-Utahs-trade-for-Boris-Diaw-earns-an-A.html

The Utah Jazz could be a No. 4 in next season's NBA playoffs, according to Zach Lowe and Kevin Arnovitz of ESPN Radio (http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=16832546).

They should be right in the mix after the top 2 teams. I thought this before any of the off-season moves. :cheers:

"You know who I'm interested in? I want to see the Jazz take it to the Warriors," Lowe said. "I think the Jazz are going to be really good. They're big....The Jazz are hungry and young. I want to see it."

They should be one of the tougher teams against them again because of their D.

[QUOTE]"This deal is an absolute slam dunk for the Utah Jazz, who managed to flip the rights to a D-League caliber player into a veteran with championship experience who will bolster the team

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 01:10 PM

Scott Agness: Jazz officially announce three-team trade that brings Jeff Teague to Indy, (http://twitter.com/ScottAgness/status/751085240458747904) pending physicals.

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 05:23 PM

Traveon Graham just said he was on the Vegas roster. Looks like he's improved a lot. Was player of the game.

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 05:30 PM

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Mike-Tobey/Summary/42307

http://basketball.realgm.com/player/Treveon-Graham/Summary/31269

Looks like the Vegas roster is a couple good players better.

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 05:42 PM

[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has acquired a 2021 second-round pick from the Washington Wizards in exchange for guard Trey Burke (http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-acquire-future-second-round-pick-washington).

Xiao Yao You

07-07-2016, 11:22 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4092701-155/utah-jazz-team-announces-george-hill?page=2

"When there's not a clear path to the floor for a young player, a young talented player like Trey, then you have to do the right thing," Lindsey said.

Withey? Pleiss? :confusedshrug:

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 04:16 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657665/GM-Dennis-Lindsey-calls-new-Jazz-guard-George-Hill-a-nice-fit.html

[QUOTE]Lindsey likes the balance of pairing a veteran like the experienced Hill with the young understudy Exum.

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 04:21 AM

After three games of the Utah Jazz Summer League, perhaps the biggest thing we learned about this Jazz team is that not a lot of guys on the 15-man roster will be playing for the real Jazz this coming season. In fact you might just see two players, Trey Lyles and Tibor Pleiss, who are both under contract and were the best players this week.
I thought Bolomboy was a can't miss rotation player? :rolleyes:

Arguable as to if Pleiss was one of the top 2. I'd probably say Hanlan. Craft, Butterfield, Xmas...

With the recent addition of George Hill, Joe Johnson and Boris Diaw, the Jazz have 14 players under contract, as well as Jeff Withey and Chris Johnson, who were both on the roster last year.
and Quincy Ford. They might have to poach some guys off other summer league rosters for fall camp though the two they have joining the team in Vegas might do. They are playing well. They certainly need to sign another big ideally a 4-5.

[QUOTE]Tyrone Wallace and Marcus Paige, two of Utah

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 04:37 AM

http://saltcityhoops.com/jazz-sl-team-drops-final-game-to-sixers-go-0-3-in-tourney/

[QUOTE]It will be interesting to see if Tibor can carve out space for himself on the Jazz

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 12:11 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/7/8/12128392/nba-free-agency-2016-breaking-down-the-moves-and-cap-space-for-all-30

Every year the team has been in Vegas the team has failed to make it out of the first round. I expect that to continue this year as well. You know, unless Dante Exum (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) (who isn't playing for Australia right now) feels like actually playing basketball or something.

Actually they are adding two guys that did well in Orlando so maybe better than Exum.

$20 million or more below the cap: Philadelphia 76ers, Denver Nuggets (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/denver-nuggets), Brooklyn Nets (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/brooklyn-nets)
$15-19 million: Indiana Pacers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/indiana-pacers), Miami Heat (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/miami-heat), Minnesota Timberwolves (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/minnesota-timberwolves), Phoenix Suns (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/phoenix-suns)
$10 to 14 million: Los Angeles Lakers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/los-angeles-lakers), Utah Jazz
$5 to 9 million: Houston Rockets (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/houston-rockets), Portland Trail Blazers, Toronto Raptors (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/toronto-raptors), Milwaukee Bucks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/milwaukee-bucks)
$0 to 4 million: Atlanta Hawks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/atlanta-hawks), Boston Celtics, Memphis Grizzlies (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/memphis-grizzlies), Orlando Magic (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/orlando-magic), Detroit Pistons (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/detroit-pistons), Washington Wizards, Golden State Warriors (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/golden-state-warriors), San Antonio Spurs, Charlotte Hornets (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/charlotte-hornets), Chicago Bulls (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/chicago-bulls), Sacramento Kings (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/sacramento-kings), New Orleans Pelicans
Over the cap: New York Knicks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/new-york-knicks), Dallas Mavericks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/dallas-mavericks), Oklahoma City Thunder (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/oklahoma-city-thunder), Los Angeles Clippers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/los-angeles-clippers), and Cleveland Cavaliers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/cleveland-cavaliers).

A lot of money still to spend! I'm guessing it might be crazy all the way to buy out time in March.

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 12:21 PM

[QUOTE]Jason Quick: RFA Maurice Harkless has received interest from teams, including POR, but not close to deal or offer sheet. (http://*********.com/social/)

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 02:51 PM

[QUOTE]The Utah Jazz announced today that the team has acquired forward Boris Diaw, a 2022 second-round pick and cash considerations from San Antonio (http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-acquire-boris-diaw-and-draft-pick-spurs) in exchange for the player rights to Olivier Hanlan.

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 02:58 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657672/Heres-all-a-Utah-basketball-fan-needs-to-know-about-the-Las-Vegas-summer-league.html

Michael Stockton, the son of John Stockton, will play for the Cavaliers.

Cool I liked him. He could defend.

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 04:47 PM

Andy Larsen: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Joe Johnson said he was

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 05:02 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/08/utah-jazz-rebuild-stage-complete/

[QUOTE]This says two things

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 08:16 PM

Spencer Checketts: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Dennis Lindsey, on @1280sports, says that Joe Johnson told him he was fine

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 09:06 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657735/Video-New-Utah-Jazz-acquisitions-Dennis-Lindsey-meet-with-media.html

They see Hill as a combo guard. I like him. All about winning.

Joe at the 2/3/4. Diaw at the 4 and 5. Will be some fun line-ups.

Sounds like to me it's going to be competitive and even everyone's darling Exum will have to earn his way. Been a long time coming. :applause:

Xiao Yao You

07-08-2016, 11:30 PM

Traveon Graham made the all Orlando team so Lyles is getting some serious help.

Xiao Yao You

07-09-2016, 07:07 AM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4096635-155/utah-jazz-hill-johnson-hoping-to

Lindsey, meanwhile, is thinking how his bolstered roster can starting recording more blowout victories to avoid that issue altogether.

But what about the coach that preferred losses and development over wins with Withey available every night(except at the beginning of the year when he was in street clothes!)?

But the Jazz's offseason has been lauded by most pundits because they have added shooting and experience to their roster, and they have done it without taking on overly long contracts. Hill is in the last year of his contract. Diaw has two years left, including a team option, on a $13.5 million deal. And Johnson agreed to a two-year, $22 million deal to join the Jazz.

Does Johnson have an option? Front loaded?

Lindsey said the Jazz likely are done with major moves

Favors? That would be major.

Xiao Yao You

07-09-2016, 07:16 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657747/George-Hill-Joe-Johnson-say-theyre-both-excited-to-be-part-of-Utah-Jazz.html

[QUOTE]Hill and Johnson are both expected to play big roles for the Jazz this coming season

Xiao Yao You

07-09-2016, 07:49 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2016/7/8/12133224/nba-free-agency-2016-utah-jazz-salary-cap-joe-johnson-boris-diaw-george-hill-gordon-hayward

Yes, Shelvin Mack (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/150210/shelvin-mack) had his very affordable contract guaranteed -- it was non-guaranteed up until yesterday. I would have been okay if he was released because I think that Raul Neto (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198045/raul-neto) is good enough to do whatever Shelvin can, but that decision is not up to me. At the very least Mack is a really easy contract to move.
While I think Neto may be able to do a lot of what Mack does and more in some cases it's whack to think cutting one of your top players is ok. :rolleyes:

And it's the last year of that contract, so I don't know if he wants a raise. He could if he has a good season.
He wants a raise especially if he is starting like everyone seems to think is a given. If he didn't he might take the renegotiated contract they can offer.

The rest of the point guards on the books are really cheap, but are all going to want raises too. The Jazz have a team option for Dante next season, and then in 2018-2019 he'll be playing in the first year of his new deal. If he deserves to make 10% of the cap then he'll be making $10.800 million that season. If he wants "average" that would be $16.200 million. Who cares what he wants? First he has to prove he's an NBA player.

Mack is in a contract year, and hopefully he's not playing to the point where he wants 10% of the cap too, I know he's homies with Butler, but you shouldn't be reliant upon your third point guard to do anything.
When your 3rd pg is one of your best players you do. :wtf:

And none of them are our 20 year old point guard who missed all of last season.
That has never shown he's actually got pg skills or that he can actually play in the league.

I think he should start if we're starting our best players. If he doesn't and Hood starts that's cool too.
What if they are both on the bench? I don't see Johnson starting because he's not one of their best players. :confusedshrug::confusedshrug:

The year after Gordon's big deal Rodney Hood (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246135/rodney-hood) needs a raise. Is he going to command the "average" that we expect for a starter, 15%? If that's the case Hood is going to be earning that $16.200 million on average per season going forward.
A good reason to bring Hood off the bench is because you may not have to pay him as much.

In that regard, Alec Burks (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/149904/alec-burks)' $11.537 million is a steal.
But let's trade him! :no:

Chris Johnson (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/89198/chris-johnson), man, I don't know if he makes this team when Dante and Shelvin can play some wing, and Boris and Trey can as well.
Doubt Boris has played the 3 for a long time and Trey hasn't at this level and though they did play Mack at the 2 he's a 1. Main reason I think Johnson might be expendable is because Hill and maybe Exum do what he does defensively. I think his energy will be missed though especially with Booker gone.

I do like the idea of six full-time wing players though, but I think that with his contract not being guaranteed until January -- so he's going to probably need to earn his spot in training camp.
I think he's got his work cut out for him. At least one guy has to go and Withey makes the most sense since they don't really like him. You forgot Ford who is signed.

Gobert is in a contract year, and he's the only bigman who is in a situation to really improve his living situation with a great season. Doubt it matters. He's getting max unless he wants to take the security of a deal now.

But that's the game you have to (overpay) play when you are a small market team who can really only build through the draft.
will it be an overpay though?

The 5th big is still up in the air for me. Tibor Pleiss (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/111514/tibor-pleiss) is on the books this upcoming season for $3.000 million. Jeff Withey (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198055/jeff-withey) is making a third of that, but it's a non-guaranteed deal. (And like Christapher, his deal becomes guaranteed in January, so he'll have to work his way onto the team through training camp.)
Did you see Withey play? Hard to see him not making any team in the league. He would be playing for most of them and could start on some. He's 5 without a doubt if not 3 in reality. But he needs to go. He's not appreciated here obviously.

If he makes the Jazz they can pretty much park him all season with the Salt Lake City Stars.
What makes you think this since they don't like to use the D-league?

It's going to be interesting to see what happens in training camp between Withey, Pleiss, and Bolomboy.
Sad if Bolomboy is even in camp. Stash.

It's a shame that two are probably not going to make it -- because though they are all limited players, they do also bring something to the table.
What is Withey limited by? He doesn't shoot 3's? :eek: 2 of them could certainly make it.

So yeah, need to add some more -- which is why it surprised me that Dennis Lindsey said that the team was done making moves until training camp.
I figured he was done with Hill. The current roster tells me that They aren't sure Exum will be ready. Exum and Neto are out of the rotation now. How many guys you think they will bench? They will see how things shake out in camp and then you could see more moves. With cap space they will be a player up through the draft possibly.

the team didn't really lose any of their young core to get these guys.
Not yet. Can you really bench Neto all year though?

After all, they are STILL under the cap by double digits. Something else could happen still.
Might be able to use their cap space for more assets again.

Xiao Yao You

07-09-2016, 08:59 PM

Wallace didn't play tonight. Ankle sprain? Lyles isn't getting much help

Xiao Yao You

07-10-2016, 08:01 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657772/Trey-Lyles-impress-as-a-scorer-leader-during-summer-league-stint.html

The way Trey Lyles is playing — and the way the NBA is paying — the second-year power forward is bound to get a max summer league contract next year.
Won't be next year but he's going to get paid.

Jazz assistant Mike Wells, who is coaching the team in Las Vegas, said the team is hopeful Lyles can grow into that stretch-four role that’s become such an integral part of so many teams’ offenses in the modern NBA.
They prefer playmaking 4

Xiao Yao You

07-10-2016, 08:03 AM

Resting Lyles tonight. See if anyone else steps up. Not sure Lyles is the best playmaker yet. He does like to shoot!

CakeorDeath

07-10-2016, 12:16 PM

That has never shown he's actually got pg skills or that he can actually play in the league.

If I live to be 110, I may still never understand how you believe that Withey has shown he belongs in the league, but Exum hasn't.

Exum has much to learn offensively, to be be sure. But his defense as a 19 year old rookie was borderline elite, at the position generally regarded as being the toughest to defend and the hardest to learn offensively.

Your darling Neto, by comparison, sucked balls last year within the halfcourt defense. He could pester whomever brought up the ball in the backcourt, but after that, he was too small and too inexperienced to do anything else. Everyone says Hill has been brought in to soften the cushion for Exum to ease back into major minutes. While that is true, make no mistake: Hill has also been brought in because Neto isn't good enough. MAYBE he'll end up as the new Howard Eisley down the road, but that is his ceiling. Exum ceiling is legitimate star.

And Exum is not out of the rotation. Neto is. Hill will start, Exum will back him up, Mack will play sparingly. The Jazz are super high on Exum and see him as part of the core. They aren't benching him unless he isn't 100% physically, and they aren't sending him to the D-League.

You say Exum has a lot to prove; how is he supposed to do that if he doesn't play? He looked great last year in limited time in summer league. He's had a year to pick the brains of the coaching staff and watch film. He's still only 20 years old but he has physical gifts that you can't teach. That Neto and Mack will never have.

Seems like you're done with him because he wasn't Derrick Rose the first time he stepped into an NBA game. People really want to see him play because they realize what he could become; yet you're irritated because you are holding him to an impossibly high standard and he didn't achieve it as a 19 year old rookie who had never played anything beyond high school basketball in Australia before coming to the NBA. That puts him in the boat of "must still prove he's an NBA player," yet somehow Withey and Neto don't have to achieve half as much and you're convinced both should be getting major minutes and Exum should be banished to the D-League?

Xiao Yao You

07-10-2016, 01:17 PM

If I live to be 110, I may still never understand how you believe that Withey has shown he belongs in the league, but Exum hasn't.
Withey looked like Gobert-lite. Exum showed he could be a defensive specialist in the league which is on the fringe of being on an NBA roster(see Chris johnson) before he blew out his knee. He hasn't shown me anything since other than he can dribble two balls at once at a camp for kids.

Exum has much to learn offensively, to be be sure. But his defense as a 19 year old rookie was borderline elite, at the position generally regarded as being the toughest to defend and the hardest to learn offensively.
Ok and that player would not be god enough to play for the current team. Can he still defend? Has he added anything else?

Your darling Neto, by comparison, sucked balls last year within the halfcourt defense. He could pester whomever brought up the ball in the backcourt, but after that, he was too small and too inexperienced to do anything else.
Yet the best Jazz line-ups had him in them.

Everyone says Hill has been brought in to soften the cushion for Exum to ease back into major minutes. While that is true, make no mistake: Hill has also been brought in because Neto isn't good enough.
He was brought in because he can play. Hood was a bigger problem on D. I think ideally they see Exum/Hill together in the backcourt but until than it should be Mack/Hill

MAYBE he'll end up as the new Howard Eisley down the road, but that is his ceiling.
He's already better than Eisley.

Exum ceiling is legitimate star.
That's what I keep hearing but until I actually see a hint of it other than for part of a summer league game on a good knee I'll have to remain skeptical. It's about actual performance with the team now not potential. Potential is for the D-league.

And Exum is not out of the rotation. Neto is. Hill will start, Exum will back him up, Mack will play sparingly.
You may be right but that's certainly not how I see it. You're putting someone who has done nothing ahead of guys that have proven something.

The Jazz are super high on Exum and see him as part of the core. They aren't benching him unless he isn't 100% physically, and they aren't sending him to the D-League.
They may not. Doesn't mean they shouldn't.

You say Exum has a lot to prove; how is he supposed to do that if he doesn't play?
He does it when he's playing against them before camp, during camp and at practice. He'll get his chance to prove it in the fall. If he sucks in exhibition play he shouldn't play over guys that don't suck no matter how long his reach is and how young he is and how fast he is. I grew up when guys played because they were good not because of upside.

He looked great last year in limited time in summer league.
Actually he looked timid and fat to start the one game he played. He turned it on which was very encouraging. Cotton had a great game in summer league last year too.

He's had a year to pick the brains of the coaching staff and watch film. He's still only 20 years old but he has physical gifts that you can't teach.
Great. Does his knee still allow him to be the player he was physically though?

That Neto and Mack will never have.
True but they are actually basketball players not prospects. They know how to pay the game. Exum has yet to show he does.

Seems like you're done with him because he wasn't Derrick Rose the first time he stepped into an NBA game.
I'm not done with him. I hope he becomes all he's supposed to be but until I see something I want guys to play that are good not potentially good.

People really want to see him play because they realize what he could become; yet you're irritated because you are holding him to an impossibly high standard and he didn't achieve it as a 19 year old rookie who had never played anything beyond high school basketball in Australia before coming to the NBA.
Expecting a guy to be of NBA caliber is expecting too much? It's one thing when you are tanking to play guys that shouldn't be playing but now they are playing to win. They are supposed to lose games because Exum might be good someday? That cost them the playoffs last year with Lyles sucking with Withey on the bench.

That puts him in the boat of "must still prove he's an NBA player," yet somehow Withey and Neto don't have to achieve half as much and you're convinced both should be getting major minutes and Exum should be banished to the D-League?
Withey and Neto have both showed me they can play. Exum has shown me absolutely nothing. What he did before his knee injury is nothing now. He's coming off a major injury He may never be the same physically. If he's still developing he needs to do that in the D-league not taking minutes from guys who are better players now. The D-league is there for a reason. He might have actually learned how to be a pg in the D-league instead of struggling with the Jazz.

Xiao Yao You

07-11-2016, 03:27 AM

Wallace showed a lot tonight.

Xiao Yao You

07-11-2016, 07:41 AM

The Stifle Tower isn

Xiao Yao You

07-11-2016, 10:37 AM

[URL="http://www.vigilantsports.com/2016/07/09/george-hill-discusses-being-traded-his-relationship-with-hayward-lyles-and-death-to-the-blonde-faze/"]After a workout, Hill first learned he was traded when he listened to a voicemail from Pacers President Larry Bird saying

Xiao Yao You

07-11-2016, 11:40 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657802/Morning-links-Jazz-No-4-in-NBA-power-rankings-Jimmer-has-huge-night-in-Vegas.html

[QUOTE]"When healthy last year

Xiao Yao You

07-11-2016, 11:49 AM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2646247-nba-power-rankings-2016-17-how-draft-and-free-agency-have-shaken-up-the-league/page/28

this year's Jazz squad should be able to get that group onto the court much more often
My guess is less. I see Hill and Mack getting the most minutes after the big 3. Then the bench guys which to me should include Hood.

Xiao Yao You

07-11-2016, 08:17 PM

Jody Genessy: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]

Xiao Yao You

07-12-2016, 08:18 AM

Chris Haynes: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Utah Jazz and Rudy Gobert

Xiao Yao You

07-12-2016, 08:44 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657860/Damian-Lillard-has-wise-words-of-advice-for-Weber-State-pal-Joel-Bolomboy.html

[QUOTE]

Xiao Yao You

07-12-2016, 08:48 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/11/utah-jazz-rookies-finding-their-groove-at-las-vegas-summer-league/

Bolomboy in particular was a driving force in securing the 79-72 win over the Pels.

Are people watching the same games as me?

[QUOTE]all three are likely destined to spend the majority of the 2016-17 campaign with the D-League

Xiao Yao You

07-12-2016, 07:36 PM

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/242820/Blazers-Jazz-Pelicans-And-The-Merits-Of-Middle-Class-Improvement

they can allow Dante Exum to get in wherever he fits as he returns from a nasty knee injury

this guy gets it

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 05:45 PM

Former Utah Jazz assistant coach Phil Johnson, one of the most impactful and successful assistant coaches in NBA history, is the recipient of the inaugural Tex Winter Assistant Coach Lifetime Impact Award, (http://www.nba.com/2016/news/07/12/utah-jazz-phil-johnson-coaching-award/) the National Basketball Coaches Association announced today. Johnson was presented with the award during the Jazz game vs. Portland today at the NBA Summer League in Las Vegas.

Jerry got all the credit but I'm sure Phil had as mcuh to do with things as anyone.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 06:06 PM

[QUOTE]Jeff Zillgitt: France selects 12 players for men

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 06:46 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/4106907-155/jazz-gobert-table-extension-talks-until

The Jazz would certainly keep him, but if Gobert went and signed an offer sheet on the market, he could get a contract favorable in years. Indeed, Hayward's offer sheet that he signed with the Charlotte Hornets featured the early out that will make him an unrestricted free agent following this season.

Can't let that happen. He has to be signed to the 5 year max with no outs. He is the guy you should be building around. He is the number 1 priority even more than their so called 2 best players.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 06:56 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4111133-155/utah-jazz-rudy-gobert-wants-a

[QUOTE]Is there the chance that Gobert could be fatigued heading into training camp? Yes. But Gobert

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:03 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/4111171-155/shelvin-mack-talks-staying-with-the

He doesn't have to go shopping for a team this summer, since the Jazz guaranteed the final year of his contract, something that was in question heading into free agency.

There was never a question. He was too good and his contract too small. No brainer.

with the Jazz trading for George Hill and Dante Exum closing in on his return from knee surgery, there were questions about whether Mack would be back in the fold on opening night.

a combo guard who plays a different game than Shelvin and a prospect who has proven little. Again there was no question.

That leaves Mack looking at the the possibility of dropping from starter to the third point guard.

Just can't see it. He was too good for them last year. No one can run the team better other than maybe Neto if he gets the chance.

The fact that he can play both backcourt positions is a plus, as well.

I doubt he'll be playing the 2. They played him with Neto and Burke last year but they have too many guys to put him at the 2 I'd guess.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:08 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657939/Jazz-fall-despite-odd-sudden-death-OT-forcing-play-by-Butterfield-Lyles.html

Butterfield played in Lithuania last season but doesn’t have any firm plans for the upcoming season.
“We’re just kind of seeing how this summer league goes,” he said, referring to his agent. “We’ll gather all the information and see what we’re going to do after that.”

He'd make sense for the D-league team as a local. Not sure he has an NBA game.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:12 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657837/Utah-Jazzs-Rudy-Gobert-says-hell-play-for-the-French-national-team-in-Rio-Olympics.html

Gobert listed several reasons for skipping that tournament in the Philippines, which ended Sunday when France beat Canada to qualify.
For one thing, he wanted to allow his injured right ankle to heal after tweaking it late in the 2015-16 NBA season. He wanted to spend time working on his strength at the P3 facility in Santa Barbara, California. The 23-year-old didn't want to repeat what happened last year, either, when he spent so much time with Team France that he didn't allow himself enough time to rest and recuperate before training camp started last fall.

Sounds like he learned from last year! :cheers:

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:18 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657866/Morning-links-Are-the-Jazz-the-next-Oklahoma-City-Thunder-Delon-Wright-remembers-Duncan.html

"All of the pieces are in place, and the Jazz should only get better from here," said Tjarks

Yeah but now is the hard part. Paying everyone. That's why they should have been trying to win last year not this year. They were the 6th best team to end 2015. You build on that not remain the same. You don't know how the team will look after next year for sure. Hayward could leave next year. Strike while the iron is hot. A lesson they should have learned from the Stockton and Malone era when next year eventually didn't come.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:35 PM

https://theringer.com/utah-jazz-next-thunder-gordon-hayward-52b0879ed3b2#.4p2grg78k

[QUOTE]It

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:41 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865657930/Longtime-Jazz-assistant-Phil-Johnson-receives-prestigious-coaching-award.html

Johnson was selected from an impressive group that included Ron Adams, Jim Boylan, Hank Egan, Jim Eyen, Tim Grgurich, Frank Hamblen, Dick Helm, Brian Hill, Jim Lynam, Bob McAdoo, Ron Rothstein, Brendan Suhr and Bob Weiss.

You'd think he'd have to have been a unanimous choice.

The voting committee for the award that carries the name of Winter, an iconic Hall of Fame assistant coach, includes Rick Adelman, Hubie Brown, Doug Collins, Wayne Embry, Danny Ferry, Mike Fratello, George Karl, Doc Rivers, Rod Thorn and Lenny Wilkens.

A lot of heavyweights picking him. :applause:

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:49 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/who-is-boris-diaw/

[QUOTE]I

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:53 PM

Will he assume that role with the bench, or will he have to play second or third fiddle in primacy with Alec Burks (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com), Joe Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsjo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) (or Rodney Hood (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hoodro01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com)), and Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) all likely to also not start?

I see that as their bench so Lyles won't have the ball in hands that much.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 07:57 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/13/former-utah-jazz-asst-coach-phil-johnson-honored/

Johnson served as an assistant coach for the Jazz under Frank Layden from 1982 to 1984, then returned to the team in 1988.

Might have been him in the HOF and Jerry getting awards for assistants if he hadn't left. :confusedshrug:

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 08:00 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/13/utah-jazz-enter-tournament-play-after-ot-loss-to-blazers/

nothing to get emotionally invested in and not much to learn by watching the handful of actual NBA players involved beat up on guys who will be playing in Estonia or working at Home Depot once the regular season rolls around.

Disagree. I enjoy watching their picks who could be part of the team someday and I've learned a lot about them and others as I'm sure the front office and staff have as well.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 09:16 PM

As expected Lindsey just said that they will be very cautious with Dante. His fans may want to temper their expectations. The off-season moves and common sense already hinted at this though.

Xiao Yao You

07-13-2016, 10:36 PM

Bolomboy just mentioned European scouts watching. Sounds like hopefully he's prepared to be stashed.

Xiao Yao You

07-15-2016, 11:18 AM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4114492-155/utah-jazz-handle-blazers-in-tournament

Once again, he was very good in extended minutes.

When was the other time? He needs to be stashed. Needs to get stronger. I got a feeling they might keep him because he's local and he can shoot with some range which obviously the love from their bigs. They have too much money to not replace Pleiss and Withey. They love that Pleiss can shoot though.

Xiao Yao You

07-15-2016, 11:28 AM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4115039-155/utah-jazz-for-one-summer-league

Lyles was counted on to contribute out of need

They didn't need him to begin the season. He should have been in the D-league. It cost them games.

Xiao Yao You

07-15-2016, 11:33 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658003/Morning-links-Jazz-should-win-50-SI-wonders-if-Jimmer-Fredette-has-done-enough.html

predicting 50 wins for the Jazz is not bold. They are that good."

Should have been there a year ago.

Xiao Yao You

07-15-2016, 11:39 AM

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/16992129/rating-won-lost-nba-free-agency-period

They could extend Favors as of October, but he has little incentive to redo his deal now unless he is petrified of a new collective bargaining deal. After this season, he will become eligible for a larger max contract reserved for players with at least seven years in the league. He could play the year out, renegotiate next July up to that higher max, and lock in more years.

Can the Jazz give 3 max contracts in a year even with the cap going up again? Not to mention Hill and Mack and Diaw.

the Jazz are looking at a $125 million payroll (at least) before second contracts even kick in for Hood, Exum and Lyles. That might prove untenable. (The Blazers are facing a similar dilemma, but we'll have more on them in the near future.)

Difference is the Blazers have an owner with deep pockets. :banghead:

Xiao Yao You

07-15-2016, 11:42 AM

[QUOTE]The former Weber State standout had another strong game filling in as a starter, finishing with 14 points and nine rebounds.
Bolomboy, who averaged 4.7 points and 4.8 rebounds in his previous six games, had 13 points and 11 boards as a starter in Utah

Xiao Yao You

07-15-2016, 11:49 AM

http://saltcityhoops.com/jazz-in-rio-tracking-utah-players-olympic-summers/

[QUOTE]I have more of less stopped tracking Jazz draftee Ante Tomic ever since he signed a new multi-year deal with Barcelona. The skilled big guy

Xiao Yao You

07-16-2016, 08:59 AM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4118915-155/utah-jazz-have-the-talent-now

. His roster is going from too little depth to almost too much depth.

Almost? It looks like at least two of their young guys who a year ago they didn't want to block will be blocked.

The good thing is, the players are committed to winning."

Are you though? You playing Lyles over Withey cost you the playoffs. Stop making excuses.

Next year, there's a good chance Mack will be the third point guard and Neto may spend a good chunk of the year in the D-League with the D-League Stars.

A good chance? No one has showed they can run the team better than Mack. Until they do chances are he's a starter. Hard to imagine Neto in the D-league after being a solid starter and role player. That's why this all should have started a year ago when sending Neto to the D-league would have made sense. Now you have to block young guys that have shown they can play and I don't necessarily think you can just trade them now. Might need them next year. :confusedshrug:

Alec Burks was the primary sixth man before he got hurt in December. Now, he's probably the fourth wing.

I'd put him behind Maxi G and Hill. Certainly arguable after that. He's a proven 6th man unlike anyone else on the roster.

Now, their 11th and 12th men could very well be Mack and Joe Ingles, guys who have both proved to be rotational talents in the NBA.

Ingles has looked like a rotation player at the end of the past two seasons but unless he can do it all year he's just a nice guy to have on the bench. Exum is behind everyone until he proves otherwise as far as I'm concerned.

"I prefer not to look at it as younger versus older," Snyder said. "We look at it as a more typical roster than we've had in the past. We have some veterans, we still have a lot of youth. We're going to benefit from having veteran guys and young guys. We're going to look at it as a good thing."

Vets are a good thing now? :facepalm

Ingles simply said "All I want to do is win." Star small forward Gordon Hayward has intimated the same thing in past conversations and interviews.

If it wasn't for Hayward being a free agent none of this would be happening. They would have kept their lottery pick and continued their tanking ways. :banghead:

But outside of the Warriors and the San Antonio Spurs, how many teams in the West do the Jazz reasonably take a back seat to? On paper at least, the answer would appear to be not many.

Which after finishing 6th to end the 2015 season should have been what they were thinking going into last off-season. :rant

The Jazz are deeper than a typical NBA team.

Not sure about that. Deeper than the teams tanking anyway.

Xiao Yao You

07-16-2016, 09:09 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658177/Rodney-Hood-embraces-opportunity-to-put-USA-on-his-chest.html

An injury forced Hood to withdraw from the squad

Still think he may have more injury problems ahead of him. I'm afraid last year was a fluke

[QUOTE]

Xiao Yao You

07-16-2016, 09:24 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658178/Buckle-up-Jazz-picked-as-NBAs-4th-best-team-by-Bleacher-Report.html

Let's hear it for your 2016-17 NBA Northwest Division champions, the Utah Jazz!

Yay! Now that winning the division really means nothing. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE]In fact, going into next season, Hughes has Utah ranked as the fourth-best team in the entire NBA. No, not just the fourth-best team in the Western Conference

Xiao Yao You

07-16-2016, 09:29 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658183/Trey-Lyles-grows-thanks-to-summer-growth-opportunity.html

There is an SLC Stars roster to fill, so it helped to get a look at potential D-League players.

I think that's mostly what they'll get from this year. Have 3 spots to fill for camp. Probably be looking at guys that will play for the Stars. I'd say they need 1 to 2 big men out of that to replace Pleiss and Withey. Make Johnson and Ingles earn their roster spots.

Xiao Yao You

07-16-2016, 09:41 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/7/15/12200580/nba-summer-league-2016-las-vegas-utah-jazz-trey-lyles-tibor-pleiss-downbeat-1954

Where did the offense go? Will they ever at least equal where the defense is today?

If they want to get to 4th in the NBA that's probably what has to happen.

We also get a look at the Vegas Summer League (http://www.sbnation.com/nba-summer-league), an recap of the last game, and what's did we learn so far? Beyond "Trey Lyles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) is an NBA player," not a lot else.

I got a lot more than that out of it. If their draft picks improve as much as Hanlan did overseas they could have some decent players on cheap rookie contracts in the next couple years which they are going to need if they have 3 max guys.

Aaron Craft (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/craftaa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) and Spencer Butterfield looked nice, but I don't think they are NBA level defenders just yet.

Craft is known for his D.

Clearly ready to take the next step from a bench player to a rotation player.

When wasn't he a rotation player? :wtf:

Hopefully this year the addition of an NBA Playoffs (http://www.sbnation.com/nba-playoffs) starting level caliber point guard (George Hill (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com))

or sg

Xiao Yao You

07-16-2016, 09:56 AM

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/fancy-stats/wp/2016/07/15/man-the-2013-nba-draft-was-truly-awful-actually-it-was-the-worst-ever/

9. Jeff Withey (No. 39)

And he hasn't even played! :confusedshrug:

Rudy is the man! :bowdown:

Xiao Yao You

07-17-2016, 08:37 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/16/utah-jazz-in-lyles-absence-joel-bolomboy-finds-his-groove/

[QUOTE]with an expanded opportunity in Lyles

Xiao Yao You

07-17-2016, 08:40 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/15/utah-jazz-sit-nba-power-rankings-free-agency/3/

Utah will put up defensive numbers nobody has seen in decades with Exum coming back and the best rim protector in the NBA, Rudy Gobert (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), patrolling the paint.

We'll see. The starting line-up should be tough. The bench might struggle on that end some with or without Exum in the mix. Hopefully they can out score their opponents with all the firepower the bench will bring though.

Xiao Yao You

07-17-2016, 08:49 AM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4123545-155/utah-jazz-young-players-show-improvement

With that, the Jazz wanted to focus on Trey Lyles, the rising second-year power forward, second-year center Tibor Pleiss and the play of their three second-round picks, Joel Bolomboy, Marcus Paige and Tyrone Wallace.

and Ford who is actually signed unlike their picks

Because the regular roster had limited spots, how were the free agents going to react? For the most part, the answer was very well.

Those guys they will at to help fill their D-league roster.

Xiao Yao You

07-17-2016, 09:09 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658193/Lindseys-no-fool-and-Jazz-arent-standing-still.html

[QUOTE]

Xiao Yao You

07-17-2016, 09:22 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658213/QA-Coach-Quin-Snyder-gives-his-thoughts-on-Jazz-moves-expectations.html

[QUOTE]I think I would just say we

Xiao Yao You

07-17-2016, 09:33 AM

[QUOTE] (http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658213/QA-Coach-Quin-Snyder-gives-his-thoughts-on-Jazz-moves-expectations.html?pg=all)[URL="http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658213/QA-Coach-Quin-Snyder-gives-his-thoughts-on-Jazz-moves-expectations.html?pg=all"]We don

Xiao Yao You

07-18-2016, 07:24 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4103368-155/utah-jazz-after-free-agency-frenzy

But if the Jazz want to retain Hayward and Favors, they will certainly have to pay top dollar. And Hood, Dante Exum and Trey Lyles aren't that far behind.
Hopefully they can get Hayward and Favors to take less than full max. Jazz can still give them more than they'd get leaving.

Dante has to show he can play in the league before he gets paid.

Xiao Yao You

07-18-2016, 07:37 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658238/Utah-Jazz-pick-Joel-Bolomboy-showed-night-and-day-improvement-at-summer-league.html

[QUOTE]a long-shot to make the Jazz

Xiao Yao You

07-18-2016, 08:28 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/7/18/12209846/nba-summer-league-2016-utah-jazz-trey-lyles-olivier-hanlan-joel-bolomboy-tibor-pleiss

Tibor Pleiss (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pleisti01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) can make shots when open but not much else.

I'm afraid that may be enough for the Jazz to keep him around.

Seeing Craft actually make good moves, or Butterfield take smarter gambles -- these are things the 2016 rookie guards just didn't have.

Wallace did.

We didn't see much of Trey Lyles on the court with Joel Bolomboy, which I felt like would have been useful to see.

They probably won't be playing together again for a while at least.

Of course, in a "win now" mode there's no point in having him around anymore, especially not when you can get Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com) instead.

You still need to develop young guys too. I'm liking this trade less.

I was surprised he only played in one game, but his performance in that game may be indicative of a good enough reason to only play him in one of the nine games he was in uniform for.

Yeah what was up with that? He made the all-Orlando team

I expected to see more of him, but instead the Jazz looked harder at Dionte Christmas (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/chrisdi01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-www.basketball-reference.com), undrafted rookie Quincy Ford, and Shaquille McKissic.

Ford is on their roster

In the NBA he was the 3rd string PF.

4th big

For one, he could post up, face-up, cut, or spot up.

His post game sucked. He could hit 3's and put a body on someone as a defender and hit FT's. That was about it though.

his actual skills are pro-level skills

not NBA though

Joel seems to be the best chance for the Jazz to actually have a player on their hands in the draft. Many of us are very openly rooting for him and his success.

Why him specifically? :confusedshrug:

He needs a year or two playing pro ball elsewhere before going to the NBA.

Needs to get stronger. He can shoot.

He could have a Hanlan like transformation if he works hard. I think he is up to it.

All3 of their picks were a lot better than Hanlan was a year ago so I'd be hopeful all 3 could be in the mix next year when they will need cheap contracts.

after Hanlan was traded he graduated to 1st string point guard.

believe Hanlan started at the 2

I also expect him to have one after shooting way under expectation in Summer league

You rely way too much on stats. He was active, got after people on d and showed he had some shooting potential. I liked him best of their picks for sure.

He did everything right last summer league

how did I miss that? :confusedshrug:

all he did scoring-wise this summer was hit one of his two free throws.

had like 9 boards in that game though

He averaged only 1.40 APG despite having the ball in his hands so much.

some of that is who he was playing with though. If they put the ball in his hands with Hill, Johnson, etc. spotting up he might rack up the assists

if he wasn't scoring he wasn't doing much else

which is what we saw last year

He just can't defend. Guys are too strong for him in the paint

moving is the hard part. He'll put a body on someone

which is exactly what you want from an athletic rebounder on your team

except defensive rebounding is the Jazz's problem

If you have to pick one, I'd pick Joel over Tibor.

as well as many other guys. They have too much money to keep him.

There's just really not much space on the Jazz right now for someone at his position.

There's plenty of spots if someone can play. I imagine they'd love him on the D-league team as a local.

Paige is a much better shooter, but he can't grow longer.

He's long though

Trey Lyles and Tibor Pleiss will be in training camp and have the inside track to make the team unless they are traded before the season starts

doubt there is any market for Tibor here. Buyout!:applause:

Joel Bolomboy needs a look in training camp for sure, and a chance to earn an NBA roster spot with the Jazz

no he doesn't. if he's in fall camp he has already made the team. What's the hurry? :confusedshrug:

Xiao Yao You

07-18-2016, 08:39 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/17/utah-jazz-final-thoughts-las-vegas-summer-league/

he has all the necessary tools to be effective on both ends of the floor.

except size

He has a great chance of making an NBA roster this season.

better than Pleiss

with the acquisition of Johnson, Ford might find it hard to make the roster.

He was signed more for the D-league team

Xiao Yao You

07-18-2016, 08:42 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/18/utah-jazz-rudy-gobert-boris-diaw-getting-royal-treatment-for-olympics/

[QUOTE]Genessy tweeted on Monday that the Jazz are sending some support staff to keep Gobert (and, by proxy, Diaw?) healthy, happy and connected during Olympic competition. The team

Xiao Yao You

07-20-2016, 09:28 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/7/19/12222786/the-downbeat-1956-the-utah-jazz-need-dante-exum

That defensive improvement was two fold. First was the substation of Dante Exum into the lineup for Trey Burkes. Then was the rise of Rudy Gobert. Those two are not mutually exclusive nor are they mutually dependent. They are both defensive monsters.

Without Gobert it's hard to imagine the Jazz not sucking on D again like they did before he took over. Without Exum they were the best D at the end of last year. He has to show he can still defend and he has to give them a lot more offensively.

It's easy to point at Dante Exum's offensive struggles and say, "Why should we trust a player who can't shoot?"

Nor anything else.

When Dante Exum started the Utah Jazz were 24-17, 7 games over .500. So any argument that starts with "The Utah Jazz can't win games if Dante Exum starts ... " needs to be thrown out the window. The Utah Jazz were a historic defensive wrecking ball through the NBA with Dante Exum and Rudy Gobert. They can win games and will.

They did win they may not now. Can he still defend? Hill can and a lot more that we haven't seen from the kid.

The amount of work he puts in to become better is just crazy.

Don't think he put in much last summer. He got a little bigger but the hints of an offensive game that we saw at the end of the 2015 year were gone last season until the end of the year again.

I'm personally rooting for the guy. I hope he makes it onto the opening day roster.

Why? What's the hurry? Wouldn't you rather have the best guys on the team rather than the guys you like?

Remember last summer when Dante Exum had an amazing summer league game?

Yeah and I remember him spraining his ankle than blowing out his knee. I also remember him seemingly afraid to drive to the rim in his one season and not hitting open shots.

Xiao Yao You

07-20-2016, 09:37 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/the-downbeat/2016/7/18/12220960/utah-jazz-kevin-garnett-gordon-hayward-george-hill-trey-lyles-tibor-pleiss-joel-bolomboy-db-1955

We point to a poor bench and injures as reasons.

You point to that. I point to Withey not playing and Lindsey tanking until the all-star break.

I'm never going to forget two of them, the loss at home to the Los Angeles Clippers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/los-angeles-clippers) 3rd team, and then the last game of the season, a loss to the Los Angeles Lakers (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/los-angeles-lakers). Let's not forget that the Utah Jazz were KILLING the Lakers in that game, but then gave it away in the 4th quarter.

The last game meant nothing. Who cares?:wtf:

Xiao Yao You

07-21-2016, 08:28 AM

http://www.si.com/nba/2016/07/19/jazz-gordon-hayward-rodney-hood-george-hill-joe-johnson-trade-free-agency

These are veterans who can help within the framework of play the Jazz have worked so hard to establish without forcing compromise. This moment of acceleration may come for every young team, but Utah has taken to the occasion with a masterwork of fit.

Last year's starting pg and someone else from their young core will be benched. :confusedshrug:

"He's never been a point guard that collects a lot of assists, but we don't need him to with our wing playmakers. We just need him to organize us, allow us to be low-turnover, and continue to bang open shots like he does."

You forgot your best playmaker from a year ago.

Smart front offices are constantly minding those developments without getting ahead of themselves.

I think they've gotten away from themselves with the two old guys

"They are all in their 30s," Lindsey said. "But they all take care of themselves

Diaw? :rolleyes:

better health alone may have made Utah a playoff team this season.

So would have have better coaching and GMing. :rant

and could make a hefty luxury tax difference after potentially re-signing Hayward and Gobert next summer.

and Favors! They've set themselves up real nicely. :wtf:

Xiao Yao You

07-21-2016, 09:15 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/20/whats-left-utah-jazz-offseason/3/

[QUOTE]As the Utah Jazz

Xiao Yao You

07-21-2016, 09:28 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/nba-free-agency/2016/7/20/12237952/nba-free-agency-2016-utah-jazz-joe-johnson-george-hill-boris-diaw-gordon-hayward-rodney-hood-minutes

The issue here is going to be sending Hood to the bench in order to placate the idea of this veteran bias. Johnson hasn't done anything to suggest he should be benched, and he has demonstrated (like dropping 28 on the Toronto Raptors (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/teams/toronto-raptors) last year, as a member of the Miami Heat) that he's objectively an upgrade. Snyder has benched guys in favor of upgrades many times. Trey Burke was benched for Dante Exum (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/246134/dante-exum). Raul Neto (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/198045/raul-neto) was benched for Shelvin Mack.

Mack/Hill starting makes most sense to me at both ends until someone shows otherwise.

Xiao Yao You

07-22-2016, 10:15 PM

There is a sense the Celtics would love to pry away Utah Jazz forward Gordon Hayward, who has a player option next year, which few in the NBA believe he

Xiao Yao You

07-23-2016, 10:16 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658511/Local-flavor-in-the-NBA-and-beyond-Fredette-Collinsworth-and-Poeltl-show-off-summer-league.html

He announced on Instagram (https://www.instagram.com/p/BIFxau5jJIn/) that he signed to play in France ProA with Nanterre.

I'd guess they offered him a D-league spot first.

Xiao Yao You

07-23-2016, 10:26 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/7/22/12254232/utah-jazz-gordon-hayward-derrick-favors-rudy-gobert-karl-malone-john-stockton-history-books

[QUOTE]Is Hayward going to have his #20 retired? Or Rudy

Xiao Yao You

07-23-2016, 10:35 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/22/utah-jazz-algebra-depth-x-length-versatility-wins/

[QUOTE]George Hill should be a rather seamless transition that will boost Utah significantly on both ends of the floor over Mack or Neto who were last year

Xiao Yao You

07-23-2016, 10:39 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/22/utah-jazz-for-rodney-hood-year-three-is-go-time/

[QUOTE]The steps he

Xiao Yao You

07-24-2016, 07:22 AM

https://jazzfanatical.wordpress.com/2016/07/21/bits-from-dennis-lindsey-interviews-2/
[QUOTE]We

Xiao Yao You

07-24-2016, 07:25 AM

[QUOTE]The former Michigan point guard and Naismith Award winner was traded by the Utah Jazz earlier this month. He says his new destination

Xiao Yao You

07-24-2016, 11:15 AM

http://www.freep.com/story/sports/college/university-michigan/wolverines/2016/07/23/trey-burke-trade-washington-wizards/87479068/

[QUOTE]We had some success there, but just to be on another team that has the opportunity to make the playoffs again feels great.

Xiao Yao You

07-25-2016, 10:04 AM

With three new veterans (George Hill (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Joe Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsjo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) and Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)) and three rookies (Joel Bolomboy, Marcus Paige (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/paigema01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) and Tyrone Wallace (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/wallaty01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)) joining the Jazz band, the team currently has 19 players in the fold.
Now comes the toughest part of the offseason–trimming the roster. The league minimum per team is 13 players and the maximum is 15 players.
Some deserving players might be cut. Others will remain with the Jazz program at their D-League affiliate, the Salt Lake City Stars. Players may also look for deals overseas. In any event, final decisions likely won’t be made until the end of training camp.

Should have decisions on the 2nd rounders any day I imagine. They need to be stashed.

The following players are locked into their roster spots for next season–
PG: Dante Exum (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), George Hill, Shelvin Mack (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/macksh01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Raul Neto (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/netora01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)
SG: Rodney Hood (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hoodro01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Alec Burks (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)
SF: Gordon Hayward (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Joe Johnson, Joe Ingles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)
PF: Derrick Favors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Trey Lyles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)
C: Rudy Gobert (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Boris Diaw

There could still be some movement here. Ingles could be cut. There could be a trade becasue at least a couple guys aren't going to be happy riding the pine.

It’s hard to imagine finding a better backup center on the market. Withey’s defense is underrated and he’s a decent roll-man on offense. While he’s not going to lead you to wins on a nightly basis, he might surprise you.

They will have a hard time but they need to do it. Better to have someone that the coach likes down there. Only way he should surprise anyone is if he shows up and sucks. He didn't do that last year.

The fifteenth and final roster spot will be a battle between Joel Bolomboy (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/bolomjo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Tibor Pleiss (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/p/pleisti01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Tyrone Wallace, Marcus Paige and Chris Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/player_search.cgi?search=Chris+Johnson&utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com).

The rookies won't be in camp other than maybe Bolomboy and any of them in camp have already made the team or they would just stash them.

The Jazz will look to keep Paige and Wallace in-house with the Stars, but will forfeit their rights to the rookies in doing so.

Not if they agree to play there for D-league wages and aren't in fall camp.

The second round picks miss out due to the point guard depth in the roster.

They miss out because they aren't ready. There's plenty of roster space for guys that can play.

Johnson will miss out because the Jazz have multiple players who can play on the wings.

He may be more expendable now with Hill and Exum on the wings but his energy will be hard to replace especially with Booker gone too.

if the Jazz want to keep Bolomboy, they will have to find a way to move the big German.
They are 10 million under the cap. They can cut anyone without blinking. Pleiss should be bought out now. No one in the NBA wants him I'm sure.

Bolomboy may fit the bill. Bolomboy’s activity on the glass and athleticism is too good to miss out on.
His size and experience tells me he needs to be stashed. The fact that he's a local guy may get him a spot to lead the Stars.

Alternatively, the Jazz could still find trade partners and move some assets to further reshape this roster. Pleiss, for one, is a legit stretch cnter–a sought-after commodity in the league.

Pleiss is not an NBAer. I'd guess we might take on another teams bad contract or look for some cheap options as the off-season and fall camp go like Withey last year. Withey, Pleiss and Johnson could all go.

However, the Jazz roster for next season will likely be comprised of the players that are already in-house.

There are still 3 more roster spots to fill and one spot has been filled by Ford who I could see taking Johnson's spot because of potential.

Xiao Yao You

07-25-2016, 10:16 AM

http://hardwoodparoxysm.com/2016/07/21/utah-jazz-dante-exum-australia-fans-playoffs-gordon-hayward/

With most of its roster above 6-6, the Jazz are giving small-ball a big middle finger.

Their starting line-up is doing that but they will be able to play small too.

[QUOTE]Utah also has one of the league

Xiao Yao You

07-25-2016, 10:27 AM

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/jazz-wolves-lakers-among-six-nba-teams-on-the-rise-in-2016-17/

The Jazz a star-caliber players in Gordon Hayward (who has played at an All-Star level if adjusted for pace the past two years), two guys on the cusp of that level in Derrick Favors and Gobert, andRodney Hood has that kind of potential and has made big strides. For support? Hill, Diaw, Johnson, Alec Burks, Exum and Trey Lyles. That's a terrific 10-man rotation, with Shelvin Mack, Joe Ingles and Raul Neto on the back end.

Don't get how Mack can be written off after being one of their best players. Based on what they've said him and Neto should be ahead of Hood and Burks because they play both ends. If Ingles can play like it's April in October he could make it interesting to for that matter.

When Utah lost its defensive anchor in Gobert to injury last year, the offense exploded as coach Quin Snyder tried to pivot to keep them afloat. The result is a roster that showed it can adapt to whatever tactical approach it needs, provided it can stay healthy enough to hang.

Can they win games without Rudy though? Remains to be seen

If Memphis, San Antonio or the Clippers suffer injury issues, it's not out of the question for Utah to finish as high as 4th in the West with home-court advantage in the first round.

They can take 3rd anyway. Should be their goal.

Xiao Yao You

07-25-2016, 10:37 AM

http://thesportsquotient.com/nba/2016/7/19/the-utah-jazz-are-looking-goodreally-good

Boris Diaw of the San Antonio Spurs. Diaw is the perfect player to bring in when the Jazz want to go small; he can play either the four or the five position and provides spacing on offense as well as strong post defense.

Don't think he's known for D.

[QUOTE]Eight of Utah

Xiao Yao You

07-25-2016, 07:45 PM

[QUOTE]Charlotte Hornets General Manager Rich Cho announced today that the team has signed center Mike Tobey. (http://www.nba.com/hornets/press-releases/charlotte-hornets-sign-center-mike-tobey) Per team policy, terms of the deal were not disclosed.

Xiao Yao You

07-26-2016, 09:59 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658740/Morning-links-Jazz-on-the-rise-Sunday-play-shouldnt-be-a-problem-Ansah-the-top-Lion.html

"When Utah lost its defensive anchor in (Rudy) Gobert to injury last year, the offense exploded as coach Quin Snyder tried to pivot to keep them afloat. The result is a roster that showed it can adapt to whatever tactical approach it needs, provided it can stay healthy enough to hang."

Not sure they were really hanging without Rudy. They were pretty bad when he was out.

Xiao Yao You

07-26-2016, 10:22 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/7/25/12272556/nba-all-star-2017-charlotte-hornets-new-orleans-pelicans-utah-jazz-dante-exum-downbeat-1960

[QUOTE]You basically are lying to yourself if you

Xiao Yao You

07-26-2016, 10:34 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/7/26/12284134/utah-jazz-derrick-favors-extension-downbeat

[QUOTE]The question then becomes

Xiao Yao You

07-26-2016, 10:39 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/25/utah-jazz-notes-trey-burke-talks-trey-lyles-camp/

[QUOTE]Burke still has the look of a legitimate scoring threat off the bench in the NBA. Obviously, it didn

Xiao Yao You

07-26-2016, 10:52 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/25/trade-rumors-demarcus-cousins-linked-utah-jazz/
[QUOTE]
Don

Xiao Yao You

07-26-2016, 12:39 PM

[QUOTE] Marc Stein: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Philly, Brooklyn, Denver, Minnesota, Phoenix and Utah have at least $10 million in cap space. Waiters wound up settling for Miami

Xiao Yao You

07-27-2016, 07:05 PM

[QUOTE]Sirius XM NBA: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Chauncey Billups if he played for the #76ers:

Xiao Yao You

07-27-2016, 07:13 PM

[QUOTE] An NBA player who was called out by his playmate girlfriend on Instagram for allegedly cheating on her, has now become engaged. Utah Jazz center, Jeff Withey, 26, sealed the deal with Kennedy Summers with a massive diamond ring (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3709777/Did-learn-lesson-NBA-player-gets-engaged-playboy-playmate-sensationally-busted-cheating-Instagram.html). The basketball player, who earns a million dollars a year shooting hoops, was caught out last month after Kennedy noticed that her boyfriend had bought two tickets for the movies, despite claiming he was going alone.

Xiao Yao You

07-28-2016, 06:18 PM

“It’s a no-brainer. He’s the most dominant player in the whole world. And being from Serbia, I have to root for Serbia, but I feel bad for them. He’s going to kill them,” Kings general manager Vlade Divac said (http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/cousins-dominant-having-lot-fun-team-usa-exhibitions) from his courtside seat.
– via CSNBayArea.com (http://www.csnbayarea.com/kings/cousins-dominant-having-lot-fun-team-usa-exhibitions)

Love you Vlade but let's get real. Outside his numbers which aren't dominant he hasn't won. George Karl has always won before he had the most dominant player. :coleman:

Xiao Yao You

07-28-2016, 08:03 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/7/28/12311310/utah-jazz-rodney-hood-tnt-andrew-wiggins-jeff-withey-kennedy-summers-downbeat-1963

Hood was becoming a consistent threat throughout different roles in the offense.

Consistent is not a word I'd use for Hood.

Going into his third season, Hood can make his biggest leap behind the 3-point line and the Jazz are set up to make it happen.

Defense. He's behind Hill, Hayward, Mack and Neto(maybe Exum) right now on the perimeter. As far as the 3 I'd rather see him taking it to the hole for the mid range stuff where he really excels especially when the 3 isn't falling. Needs to get to the line more. He's their best FT shooter isn't he? Needs to be able to create for others better. He was improving there as the year went on. Rebound more. If he could play some 4 this year it would be big. Not sure why Ingles can and he can't? I'm not sure at his age he's going to improve as much as people think. Looks like a bench piece on a really good team which the Jazz should be.

[QUOTE]That

Xiao Yao You

07-28-2016, 08:11 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/28/utah-jazz-stars-announce-return-of-dean-cooper-as-coach/

Xiao Yao You

07-28-2016, 08:17 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/06/25/an-indy-perspective-on-george-hills-fit-with-the-utah-jazz/

He thrived in San Antonio to start his NBA career and he showed that he plays best as a shooting guard.

which is how I see it with the Jazz.

He can start at either guard position.

No one in Utah is saying this. I see him as the starting 2 right now. He's too good at D and 3's.

When shots from the charity stripe must be made, you can absolutely count on Hill.

they need that! :applause:

His wingspan helps him defensively, though there will be games where he gets lit up by elite scorers. Thankfully Utah has other defensive stoppers on the roster to step up whenever he has an off game.

need his length as part of the team D

Xiao Yao You

07-28-2016, 08:21 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/02/utah-jazz-thanks-for-everything-trevor-booker/

He was like a modern-day Antoine Carr (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/c/carran01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com); a fiery big man who would enter the game, rile the crowd at Vivint Arena and rattle the opposition with his intensity.
That was his first season with them. Wasn't the same after that. I would have dumped him after the 2nd year.

I think I speak for the whole of the fanbase when I say that the feeling is mutual.

I certainly haven't ever gotten that impression. He can't shoot he must go!

Xiao Yao You

07-28-2016, 08:38 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/27/three-bold-predictions-upcoming-utah-jazz-season/

Jazz Win 33-plus Games at Home

Probably need to do better to finish 4th in the league. Not sure they have it in them.

[QUOTE]what separated him from All-Star status was simply his team

Xiao Yao You

07-28-2016, 08:46 PM

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2653342-report-card-grades-for-every-nba-teams-2016-offseason/page/30

Johnson can lead the second unit as a go-to scorer

Along with Burks and Hood. If even two of them can go off on teams every night they could be something else. The D might suffer with the 2nd unit though without Neto and Exum.

Utah could've been content to hold tight, re-signing Trevor Booker and doing nothing more as the many young pieces developed.

Probably would have if they'd signed Hayward to a deal where he didn't have an out.

This was a perfect offseason for the up-and-coming Western Conference contenders.

I really only like the Hill deal now. And Burke of course! :bowdown:

Xiao Yao You

07-30-2016, 06:41 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/29/utah-jazz-gordon-hayward-named-most-influential-in-utah-sports/

[QUOTE]Last year, Utah Jazz coach Quin Snyder topped the Tribune

Xiao Yao You

07-31-2016, 10:18 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865658966/Former-Jazz-PR-chief-Kreifeldt-passes-away.html

Xiao Yao You

07-31-2016, 10:23 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/30/utah-jazz-notes-offseason-review-socks-and-george-hill/

[QUOTE]Raul Neto (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/n/netora01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) lacked the quickness and measurables to compensate at times; Shelvin Mack (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/m/macksh01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)

Xiao Yao You

07-31-2016, 10:27 AM

Xiao Yao You

07-31-2016, 10:39 AM

http://fansided.com/2016/07/29/utah-jazz-offseason-review/

Pairing him with Dante Exum should make for one of the best defensive backcourts in the league.

Not to mention their frontcourt. Can he still defend? :confusedshrug:

Rodney Hood is the future

We'll see. He's looking like one of the more expendable pieces now.

[QUOTE]Utah

Xiao Yao You

08-01-2016, 07:59 PM

[QUOTE] Marc J. Spears: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]Piedmont International University in Winston Salem, N.C., has hired former NBA forward Josh Howard as its head men

Xiao Yao You

08-01-2016, 08:06 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/blogs/jazznotes/4182295-155/jazz-to-face-trail-blazers-twice

Xiao Yao You

08-01-2016, 08:20 PM

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/07/31/utah-jazz-set-make-biggest-jump-west/

[QUOTE]they

Xiao Yao You

08-01-2016, 08:46 PM

https://youtu.be/MlVa77z8G9M

The French Connection-Rudy and Diaw! :banana:

Xiao Yao You

08-01-2016, 08:56 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/07/31/utah-jazz-strange-trade-rumors-making-rounds/

[QUOTE]The deal could start with Derrick Favors, as Rudy Gobert (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) will most likely be groomed as the Jazz

Xiao Yao You

08-02-2016, 06:41 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659229/Utah-Jazz-ESPN-CBS-bullish-on-Quin-Snyders-club-for-the-2016-17-season.html

A group of CBS Sports writers ranked (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-all-30-nba-benches-a-non-playoff-team-secures-top-spot/) the Jazz's bench the best in the league. While noting Dante Exum, Alec Burks, Johnson and Trey Lyles, the group opines that Diaw could be the key.
"If he's the motivated Diaw that did whatever Gregg Popovich wanted him to do, this holds up as the top bench in the NBA. He's everything they want in a backup big man and gives Quin Snyder so many lineup options with his versatility."

There could be at least 4 rotation proven players not in a 10 man rotation so regardless of what old man Diaw does they should be pretty good. Right now I'd say Diaw/Lyles/Johnson/Burks/Hood is their bench. Exum and Neto could certainly be in the mix somehow too.

That same group projects the Jazz will have the second-best (http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17186465/2016-summer-forecast-team-turnaround) turnaround in the NBA behind only the Minnesota Timberwolves.

sounds about right

Xiao Yao You

08-02-2016, 07:06 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/ranking-all-30-nba-starting-lineups-hint-warriors-are-pretty-good/?utm_content=bufferf72c1&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

PROJECTED LINEUP: George Hill, Rodney Hood, Gordon Hayward, Derrick Favors, Rudy Gobert
One vote for this being the fourth best starting lineup in basketball and three votes for sixth places them firmly at No. 5 on the rankings. The Jazz traded for George Hill and moved Raul Neto to the bench. This lineup with Neto last season was the eighth most effective lineup in basketball of units that played at least 300 minutes together.

What was it with the guy you completely skipped Mack? Maybe not as good because Hood didn't play as well with Mack but the stating line-up was better. Mack/Hill is a better line-up in my mind. Hard to take anyone serious that doesn't know how good Mack and Neto were last year. :rolleyes:

Xiao Yao You

08-02-2016, 07:09 PM

http://espn.go.com/nba/story/_/id/17186465/2016-summer-forecast-timberwolves-team-turnaround

45 wins would be a huge disappointment.

Xiao Yao You

08-02-2016, 07:14 PM

[QUOTE]Brian Windhorst: [URL="http://*********.com/social/"]As teams release their preseason schedules it

Xiao Yao You

08-02-2016, 07:33 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/give-go-jazz-vs-the-west-part-i/

Gun to my head I am picking Memphis over the Jazz, but with roster changes and a new coach, I could see them coming up short.

I'd imagine they'll play a lot like the Jazz still and I'd think the Jazz have more weapons. They can take Memphis as they should have last year. They were ripe for the picking.

[QUOTE]Portland certainly didn

Xiao Yao You

08-02-2016, 07:53 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/give-go-jazz-vs-the-west-part-ii/

ultimately picking anyone but Clippers here would be delusional.
They are thin. Lose any of their big 3 and they are in trouble. Jazz are ready to withstand a lot of injuries.

[QUOTE]I

CakeorDeath

08-02-2016, 10:56 PM

They are thin. Lose any of their big 3 and they are in trouble. Jazz are ready to withstand a lot of injuries.

It all goes through Paul. He goes down, stick a fork in them. Anyone else goes down, they'll survive. They have plenty of experience playing without Griffin, who is supposedly their 2nd best player.

Gasol was the 2nd best pick-up of the off-season. :rolleyes:

Would have liked to have seen the Jazz get him on a 1-2 year rental, but Diaw will do. The big question is how much 39 year old Gino and 34 year-old Parker have left in the tank. Both are playing in the Olympics, and as such, will presumably start the season already tired. Both barely get to the line anymore and are essentially just mid-long range jump shooters at this point. Parker somehow has improved in that area since exiting his prime. Gino hasn't.

Westbrook could make them pretty good still and they do have some other talent too.

Hard to bet on the Thunder being anything other than a 7-9 seed, considering how they finished in 14-15. Didn't make the playoffs without Durant that year but they still had all the same key pieces they have now (except Oladipo, if you can call him a key piece) but they also had Waiters, Ibaka, and Reggie Jackson. All of those guys aren't there anymore.

No one is surefire but Thibs and Towns could make them tough.

Agreed.

Not to mention they are led by Cousins! :roll:

Until he gets traded to the Jazz for Favors and Exum :rolleyes:

In all seriousness, he probably isn't in Sacramento by the close of the trade deadline. Someone will take a chance and mortgage better assets for him, particularly given his strong showing so far on team USA. But a leopard doesn't change its spots, and that leopard is a nutcase.

Xiao Yao You

08-04-2016, 06:39 PM

It all goes through Paul. He goes down, stick a fork in them. Anyone else goes down, they'll survive. They have plenty of experience playing without Griffin, who is supposedly their 2nd best player.

They'd miss their rim protector if he went down I imagine.

The big question is how much 39 year old Gino and 34 year-old Parker have left in the tank. Both are playing in the Olympics, and as such, will presumably start the season already tired. Both barely get to the line anymore and are essentially just mid-long range jump shooters at this point. Parker somehow has improved in that area since exiting his prime. Gino hasn't.

They'll find someone, they always do.

Hard to bet on the Thunder being anything other than a 7-9 seed, considering how they finished in 14-15. Didn't make the playoffs without Durant that year but they still had all the same key pieces they have now (except Oladipo, if you can call him a key piece) but they also had Waiters, Ibaka, and Reggie Jackson. All of those guys aren't there anymore.

Ibaka was hurt that year too. They'll be building the team around Westbrook now not Durart and Westbrook. Adams is a lot better now. Better coach? Having a great player is big in the NBA. See Portland last year after Aldridge left.

In all seriousness, he probably isn't in Sacramento by the close of the trade deadline. Someone will take a chance and mortgage better assets for him, particularly given his strong showing so far on team USA. But a leopard doesn't change its spots, and that leopard is a nutcase.

Vlade just called him the best player in the world or some nonsense. They love him. That's their downfall. Karl had always won before.

Xiao Yao You

08-04-2016, 07:03 PM

www.deseretnews.com/article/865659330/Utah-Jazz-release-preseason-schedule.html

Xiao Yao You

08-04-2016, 08:44 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/08/03/utah-jazz-breaking-player-acquisitions-returns-2016-17/

Johnson will have to adapt to playing a very different role, coming off the bench for Gordon Hayward (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/haywago01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) and Rodney Hood.

I could see him starting but Hill/Mack makes most sense to me.

The chances of Boris Diaw logging big minutes next season are slim, solely because he has three very talented big-men ahead of him in the depth chart; Derrick Favors (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/f/favorde01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Trey Lyles and Rudy Gobert (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/goberru01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com).

Remains to be seen if Lyles will be playing more than Diaw.

If nothing else, he fits beautifully in the Jazz system and could be a great mentor for Lyles.

What Lyles gets from him could be the biggest thing

Missing Exum for the entirety of last season ultimately resulted in the Jazz missing the playoffs.

:coleman:

[QUOTE]I am a big believer in Exum moving back into the starting line-up after a short period of time. He is Utah

Xiao Yao You

08-04-2016, 09:14 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/08/01/best-worst-case-scenarios-utah-jazz-player/

really only added one new starter in George Hill (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-)
added Mack in February

when his mid-range game is on, his post-up play is on point and his defense is locked in, Favors is as dangerous as they come.
How often is that? The mid range left him after he was hurt and wasn't as good as last year before that. He needs to dominate the paint now. He certainly improved greatly there. In one season he went from sucking in the post to being one of the best down there. Feed him! If Rudy can hit the mid range shot we saw at the end of the year it would really spread the court.

he was also stuck playing center more often than he might have liked with Gobert sidelined for much of the year as well
and Snyder not liking Withey :banghead:

Drop-off in progression that has Trey Lyles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/l/lylestr01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) looking better suited for the starting gig in the modern style of the NBA
I can see this with or without a drop in production. Simple economics and Lyles/Gobert might eventually be comparable to Favors/Gobert.

Worst Case Scenario: Efficiency plummets, loses spot in starting lineup
worst case is he's traded. Being a great bench scorer isn't bad.

Instead of deferring much of the ball-handling and play calling to Monta Ellis (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/ellismo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) and taking a major back seat offensively to Paul George (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/g/georgpa01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-), Hill will now be responsible for being a veteran leader and reliable offensive point guard for his new team.
While he likely won’t shoulder as heavy as an offensive load as Hayward, Hood or Favors, he should expect to match his 2014-15 career high scoring number of 16.1 points per game.

3 and d

is replaced in the starting lineup sooner rather than later by Dante Exum

probably a good thing

Has a less than memorable year and falls down the depth chart behind Shelvin Mack

should already be there.

Hood definitely proved himself to be the worthy starter

if inconsistency and lack of D is worthy

finds himself behind Joe Ingles (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/i/inglejo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) on the depth chart

I can see that happening eventually because Joe will be cheaper.

Ingles is one of the more underrated players on the Jazz roster and honestly could see himself in the thick of the rotation depending on how the cards fall.

I could too if he played in October like he does in April.

Like Ingles, Jeff Withey (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/w/witheje01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-) was very much overlooked and underrated and could easily find himself in the consistent 10-man rotation as Gobert’s back-up and ahead of Boris Diaw.

If he could shoot the 3 sure.

Improves his shot drastically over the offseason, impresses in training camp and makes the team

a corner 3 away from being Bruce Bowen

Struggles in training camp and the Jazz ultimately decide not to sign him Marcus Paige & Tyrone Wallace:

It would take a miracle for either of these two to be on the Jazz roster on opening day.
Best Case Scenario: Impress during training camp and somehow have a roster spot opened up for them
Worst Case Scenario: The Jazz ultimately decide not to sign one or both

Got to be signed to be in camp. If they are signed they will make the team. All should be stashed. I can see Bolomboy as a local draw for the Stars.

Xiao Yao You

08-04-2016, 10:07 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659298/Kincade-Upstill-What-to-expect-from-Dante-Exum-as-year-mark-of-his-ACL-tear-approaches.html

[QUOTE]Zach Lowe stated,

Xiao Yao You

08-04-2016, 10:52 PM

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/243024/Utah-Jazz-How-To-Make-The-Offseason-Win-Work-On-The-Court

[QUOTE]It

Xiao Yao You

08-05-2016, 08:30 AM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/08/04/utah-jazz-roll-out-preseason-schedule/

With Johnson, Hill and Diaw in the fold for the first time and with Dante Exum (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) and Alec Burks (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) returning from major injuries, there should be a lot for fans to keep their eyes on.

All eyes will be on Exum. Hoping he's not a complete bust.

Xiao Yao You

08-05-2016, 07:11 PM

http://hoopshabit.com/2016/08/04/utah-jazz-2016-offseason-grades/

[QUOTE]Hill is not a masterful playmaker, but Utah primarily uses Gordon Hayward and Rodney Hood in pick-and-roll situations anyway, making Hill

Xiao Yao You

08-05-2016, 07:21 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/what-would-a-quin-snyder-all-star-look-like/

[QUOTE]Consider the All-Star seasons produced by Tony Parker (3x), Jeff Teague, and Manu Ginobili in comparison to Gordon Hayward

Xiao Yao You

08-05-2016, 07:32 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/08/05/media-outlets-jumping-on-the-utah-jazz-bandwagon/

[QUOTE]Last season, the team

Xiao Yao You

08-05-2016, 07:48 PM

http://basketball.realgm.com/analysis/243051/Olympic-Basketball-Preview-From-An-NBA-POV

Ingles functions primarily as a defender and ball mover for Utah.

I'd say he's more of a playmaker and shooter. Can defend when he is motivated.

Xiao Yao You

08-09-2016, 06:57 PM

http://www.nba.com/news/features/david_aldridge/morning-tip-david-aldridge-2016-offseason-grades-the-top-10/

Larry Miller wasn't cheap

:roll:

Xiao Yao You

08-09-2016, 07:19 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/great-expectations-part-ii/

[QUOTE]It

Xiao Yao You

08-10-2016, 06:43 PM

[QUOTE] Matt Bonner, who spent 10 seasons with the Spurs, spoke with Concord News Radio on his future in the NBA and said he is still looking for a team next season and is hoping an opportunity will open up. When it came to re-signing with the Spurs, Bonner said there hasn

Xiao Yao You

08-10-2016, 07:51 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865659669/What-CARMELO-thinks-about-each-Utah-Jazz-player.html

[QUOTE]after posting a negative WAR during his rookie season, the only direction it could

Xiao Yao You

08-10-2016, 08:27 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/projecting-the-rotation-for-the-utah-jazz/

These moves gave the Jazz some much-needed depth after losing 179 combined games from their six best players due to injury last season.
I assume he is calling Exum one of their top 6? :rolleyes:

The Jazz are now arguably 14 players deep with NBA talent, in a league where the average rotation is ten deep.
I think the only question right now is if Exum is an NBA talent. :confusedshrug:

Missing the teams best playmaker and facilitator. Hard for me to give Exum any minutes let alone 21 until I actually see him play. :rolleyes:

As expected, Hill and Dante Exum will eat up all the point guard minutes, which is a huge upgrade from last year.
Is it an upgrade when you are putting one of your best players on the bench? :no:

Having started 261 of his last 269 regular season games and 55 playoff games, it is hard to imagine Hill as anything but the starting point guard this year
Hard for me to see anyone other than Mack but after last years Withey mess who knows really?

In the Summer League game in which Exum sprained his ankle, he showed he does have the ability to attack the basket.
Or at least he did have the ability against summer league competition before he blew his knee out.

If both are on the roster when the season begins, they will battle for the position of third point guard. Mack will likely win this role if he is on the roster, as Snyder has already shown he prefers Mack at the helm.
I see no reason to keep Mack on the team if he's not playing.

[quote] Due to the fact that Mack is bigger than Neto, he can also jump in without hindering the team

Xiao Yao You

08-10-2016, 08:36 PM

http://saltcityhoops.com/a-projected-substitution-pattern-for-the-utah-jazz/

Can that bench unit play enough defense to hold the lead that the starters set?

I think that's a big question. The bench will have a lot of firepower but how much D can they play? Hopefully they can keep enough D out there with their starters to make it work.

You will notice that Exum and Burks play almost exclusively together in this rotation. The defensive prowess of Exum is a good fit next to the limitations of Burks, while the offensive capabilities of Burks compliment Exum.

Or you could play guys like Neto, Mack and Ingles that play both ends. Makes more sense to me

Xiao Yao You

08-11-2016, 01:49 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/jazz-reportedly-highly-unlikely-consider-172533867.html

They have a solid core of young emerging guards like Alec Burks, Rodney Hood, and Shelvin Mack

Wow someone included Mack! I can see it from the national media but it's hard for me to see how anyone that watched the Jazz last year could not see Mack as their starting pg right now. I could care less if he was a 3rd string pg on a good team. He ran the offense better than anyone has(though I think Neto may be able to challenge him if given the opportunity to run the offense and not just spot up which might happen now that he's got a lot more shooters around him). I don't see Hill or Diaw or Joe changing that. They had the number one D again while he started. He was one of their best players. He did all that without a training camp! He's 26. The best is ahead for him like most of the team. Someone has to earn his job as I see it. Hill makes more sense alongside him or behind him not ahead of him. Neto getting his chance, Exum actually living up to the hype, or a move of some kind is the only thing changing that.

The straw that stirs the drink for the Jazz though is Gordon Hayward

Same thing here. I expect this from the national media but anyone who has been watching has seen the team revolves around Rudy making life difficult for the other team. Hopefully they can play well without him now with Hill and company but we haven't seen it consistently yet.

[QUOTE]one would think the idea of trading the team

Xiao Yao You

08-11-2016, 05:45 PM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/8/11/12440634/2016-olympics-rio-utah-jazz-gordon-hayward-derrick-favors-mark-eaton-karl-malone-john-stockton

[QUOTE]The Wolves are in their

Xiao Yao You

08-11-2016, 06:14 PM

SLAMonline
Christmas Day Games: Celtics-Knicks Warriors-Cavs (!) Bulls-Spurs Timberwolves-Thunder Clippers-Lakers
8/11/16, 3:56 PM (https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/763856567552782342)

Lakers :facepalm

Xiao Yao You

08-11-2016, 06:41 PM

SLAMonline
The 2016-17 @NBA schedule has officially been released! Opening night: Knicks-Cavs Jazz-Blazers Warriors-Spurs https://t.co/ZdV69IBy3y
8/11/16, 3:54 PM (https://twitter.com/slamonline/status/763856156481564672)

Xiao Yao You

08-11-2016, 07:20 PM

http://www.nba.com/jazz/lockes-schedule-breakdown

[QUOTE]

Xiao Yao You

08-11-2016, 09:11 PM

http://www.sltrib.com/sports/4224105-155/utah-jazz-open-at-portland-on

And Joe Johnson's return to the Miami Heat comes on November 12.

Oh that's big. He was there what 2 months? :facepalm

Xiao Yao You

08-11-2016, 10:48 PM

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/dante-exum-says-hes-fully-153630528.html

Regardless of what they get out of Exum (and even his biggest fans should go in with tempered expectations, since he just missed an entire season with a serious knee injury)

There's 3 of us now.

Xiao Yao You

08-13-2016, 03:54 AM

Sean Deveney: Note to Spurs and Jazz: Milos Teodosic is a free agent next summer, and said he wants to play for one of you (http://*********.com/social/).

Xiao Yao You

08-13-2016, 11:28 AM

http://www.slcdunk.com/2016/8/12/12451074/nba-schedule-utah-jazz-rio-2016-lebron-james-gordon-hayward-joel-bolomboy-downbeat-1969

[QUOTE]It seems as though Marcus Paige (http://www.sbnation.com/nba/players/276644/marcus-paige) and Joel Bolomboy are in camp right now. No, not with the Utah Jazz. But more like in school

Xiao Yao You

08-15-2016, 05:41 PM

[QUOTE][URL="http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/david_aldridge/08/15/morning-tip-2016-rio-olympics-australia-making-presence-felt-at-games/index.html"]

Xiao Yao You

08-15-2016, 06:46 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/08/14/utah-jazz-three-players-watch-season/

[QUOTE]When it comes right down to it, Hood is a major factor in just how good the Utah Jazz can be this season. He is essential to the team

Xiao Yao You

08-15-2016, 06:56 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/08/14/utah-jazz-top-five-games-mark-calendar-16-17/

Monday, December 5th at Los Angeles (Lakers)

What should be a blowout is a top game? :coleman:

Xiao Yao You

08-17-2016, 06:51 PM

http://www.cbssports.com/nba/news/seven-nba-teams-that-could-surprise-you-with-breakout-seasons-in-2016-17/

The Jazz should have been a playoff team last year, but injuries and poor point guard play kept them (barely) out.

I'd go with they acted like they were still tanking until Mack joined and even than Withey wasn't playing. Quit blaming it on other things.

Most opponents will not have the big men to deal with a frontcourt duo like Derrick Favors (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1755180/derrick-favors) and Rudy Gobert (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/2067669/rudy-gobert).

They'll go small than

Most will not have two top-notch perimeter defenders to match up with Gordon Hayward (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/1755182/gordon-hayward) and Rodney Hood (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/2135537/rodney-hood), either.

Rodney will have to guard them too. Isn't this the same guys that were dealt with amd matched up with last year? :rolleyes:

Imagine if Dante Exum (http://www.cbssports.com/nba/players/playerpage/2135530/dante-exum) has a breakout season.

Imagine if he doesn't. Everyone seems to think he will.

My biggest qualm with the Jazz under Quin Snyder is that they have a tendency to over-pass, and that's not a big deal.

Better than selfish play. Quin has to show he can get it done for a team that is going all out it appears finally. Last year they still seemed to be tanking for some reason after the end to the 2015 season.

Xiao Yao You

08-17-2016, 06:59 PM

http://purpleandblues.com/2016/08/17/what-is-a-realistic-win-total-for-the-utah-jazz/

After all, the Jazz will add five solid contributors (Dante Exum (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/e/exumda01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Alec Burks (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/b/burksal01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Joe Johnson (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/j/johnsjo02.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com), Boris Diaw (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/d/diawbo01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com) and George Hill (http://www.basketball-reference.com/players/h/hillge01.html?utm_campaign=Linker&utm_source=direct&utm_medium=linker-purpleandblues.com)) that were either acquired this summer or lost to injury last season
Remains to be seen what any of them contribute. Hill I'm pretty confident about the rest have questions.

I have the Jazz going 51-31.
Would be disappointing.

[quote]Hood

Xiao Yao You

08-19-2016, 08:13 AM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865660366/Can-the-Utah-Jazz-afford-all-their-young-talent.html

teams can spend over the cap but only for certain exceptions and they will have to pay a luxury tax bill to do it

Wrong. once they are over the cap they have quite a bit before they pay tax

[QUOTE]Assume that the last four roster spots (12-15) are league minimum players. These players, depending on time in the league, will make between $500,000-$1.5 million per season. For these players, we

Xiao Yao You

08-19-2016, 06:57 PM

http://www.nba.com/jazz/news/jazz-sign-2016-draft-pick-joel-bolomboy

Goodbye Johnson and Withey or Pleiss. Two more to go. Don't think they have room for their other picks this year. I see this as a Stars draw. I would have stashed him. He needs to get stronger. Should be a good fit in time.

Xiao Yao You

08-19-2016, 07:04 PM

http://www.nba.com/2016/news/features/fran_blinebury/08/18/summer-dreaming-kia-defensive-player-of-the-year/

Xiao Yao You

08-20-2016, 12:55 PM

http://www.deseretnews.com/article/865660616/Jazz-point-guard-Joe-Ingles-and-Team-Australia-suffer-semifinal-loss-after-pathetic-performance.html

Everyone should be headed this way to get ready for the season before long now. A vet mini-camp and two roster spots to go. Right now it appears it's down to Withey and Pleiss for the final roster spot though I think both should go and they should get Hawes if he's still available. Thank you Chris Johnson. I'm sure someone will want you on their roster.

I'm thinking they will be resting guys this year. The roster makes more sense than. Exum and Alec sitting on back to backs maybe or even not being in the rotation until they are ready? Joe Johnson too though his minutes will be decreased by a lot as it is I imagine. Rudy coming back from the Olympics can get himself right first. He looked tired last year and it might have led him to getting hurt where he got his rest. The Spurs didn't rest Diaw because he is in bad shape but I could see the Jazz only going with 3 of their bigs some nights and playing smaller. Hayward won't have to play through injuries like he has the past couple of years. They'll be able to compete while resting guys. The Spurs way.