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I went back and checked all of Magics games during that playoff run. That was far and away his worst game.
I gotta say this again.
He shot bad, had 4 TOs, the Lakers offense was out of synch, they took the ball out of Magics hands. What more do you want? Or expect? Hell they even lost by 21pts. The were BLOWN OUT!!!!!. What metric are you using here Carbine? Funny thing is, alot of the shots the Lakers made came at the end of the shot clock. Desperation shots.
I'm only speaking of the first half in detail but that mindset gives credit to Pippen for things he doesn't deserve credit for.
Magics charge was Magic making a bad play or decision. Usually he makes the right decision. If I'm playing and let my guy beat me middle clean and my teammates step in to take a charge - I'm not taking any credit for the play. It was a combination of the offensive player making a bad decision and my help defense being on point.
What if Magic makes the wide open 3? Makes the post up move against Pippen where it was an easy hook shot with no contest from Pippen because he got caught reaching? What if Magics teammates hit a couple more of the open shots he created for them? I believe out of all the open looks he created, he got credited with 2 assists.
Perkins missing a wide open corner 3 from a Magic creation is what it is - regardless of if Perkins makes it or not Magic gets the same grade from me.
[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg?t=2724[/url]
Is this good defense by Pippen?
Pippen isn't the one making the shot contest. Horace was the impact player in this sequence for being super aware and sliding. He most likely got away with a blocking foul, though.
[QUOTE=Carbine;14054691]I'm only speaking of the first half in detail but that mindset gives credit to Pippen for things he doesn't deserve credit for.
Magics charge was Magic making a bad play or decision. Usually he makes the right decision. If I'm playing and let my guy beat me middle clean and my teammates step in to take a charge - I'm not taking any credit for the play. It was a combination of the offensive player making a bad decision and my help defense being on point.
What if Magic makes the wide open 3? Makes the post up move against Pippen where it was an easy hook shot with no contest from Pippen because he got caught reaching? What if Magics teammates hit a couple more of the open shots he created for them? I believe out of all the open looks he created, he got credited with 2 assists.
Perkins missing a wide open corner 3 from a Magic creation is what it is - regardless of if Perkins makes it or not Magic gets the same grade from me.[/QUOTE]
And what grade would that be?
[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg?t=2775[/url]
To me this is what I think of when the term hockey assist is thrown around. Magic draws the double, moves it and the team ends up with an easy hoop. No stats for Magic though, but he's the one creating the scrambling on defense by Chicago.
[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg?t=2859[/url]
I applaud Pippens effort, but Magic beats him.
[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg?t=2859[/url]
One of Magics turnoves. Pippen is on his ass, has no impact on this play whatsoever. The pass hit the guy in his hands, he dropped it.
So when you throw around his statline, as if this is because of Pippen..... then you actually watch what happens..... the facts (the film) don't support the narrative.
[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg?t=3165[/url]
Another one of Magics misses. Pippen getting credit for that is downright dishonest.
[url]https://youtu.be/8o8l6oM6Jeg[/url]
Magic blows by again......
Pippen gave Magic a ton of trouble bringing the ball up/setting up the offense. As 97 noted, it forced them to put the ball in other player's hands at times. When Magic made a move? He could get by Pippen (or MJ or anyone else). That isn't surprising. It is notable when he made those moves he ran right into a Bull or two (suggesting Pippen was driving him to bad areas of the court).
Magic had a lot of passes lead to open shots--but he was hitting players who were wide open (not even guarded in some cases--Grant alone had several lapses). Those are not "Magic Johnson" passes--those are passes NBA players can make. The Bulls did the same thing several times, especially to an open Paxson, on the other end of the floor.
Magic wasn't lasering passes into tight quarters or anything.
[QUOTE]- Pippen helps way off Magic, he misses wide open 3[/QUOTE]
To help on a driving Scott--Magic had to hastily shoot it with 1 second on the shot clock.
[QUOTE]- Magic posts Pippen up. He shoots an uncontested hook shot, he misses.[/QUOTE]
Pippen gambled again--knowing Grant was behind him. Grant rotated over, was in position to contest but didn't.
[QUOTE]- Magic blows by Pippen middle, Magic dumps off to Vlade for dunk[/QUOTE]
This is around 34:00. Pippen harasses Magic, who tosses it to Divac. Pippen goes over to help on Divac on the post. Divac kicks it back to Magic, Pippen goes back to intercept Magic, Magic gets by as Pippen tries to recover. This isn't quite Magic taking Pippen off the dribble 1 on 1. It is amazing Pippen covered that much ground and almost got much to Magic in time.
[QUOTE]- MJ comes up and double teams Magic, forcing a bad TO at half court.[/QUOTE]
Yeah--they trapped him at half court at 34:53. Pippen was all over him but the threat of a running MJ coming over caused the pass/TO.
[QUOTE]Magic post up Pippen, wide open corner 3 results
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I assume this at 37:05. Pippen is blanketing Magic so much Magic can't even take a step. :lol Magic passes to Worthy, Grant decides to give Worthy an open 3 with the shot clock winding down (again fails to contest). This is Pippen's fault? He did his job. The result is Worthy, a 29% three point shooter in the RS and 17% in the PO, taking a three with the clock ticking. I'll take that all day if I'm Phil Jackson.
The next possession Magic struggles to bring the ball up (around 37:30). Worthy streaks to the basket, Magic finds him, Worthy gets fouled. A good outcome for the Lakers but that isn't a pass that took an ATG to make.
[QUOTE] Magic post up Pippen, wide open corner 3 results[/QUOTE]
39:28, Cartwright loses Perkins and no one picks him up (Jordan decided to stand around under the basket guarding no one for some reason). He is left wide open. Has little to do with Pippen. In theory, if he kept Magic from getting to the hoop maybe the shot doesn't happen--but unlikely. Eventually Magic was going to turn and see Perkins left wide open.
Then the next LA possession basically the same things happens again, except it is Grant on Magic. Cartwright decides to leave Perkins open, Perkins makes the Bulls pay again.
[QUOTE]- Pippen presses Magic, Magic blows right by him into the middle for a wide open kick out 3.[/QUOTE]
Not that easy. That is at 42:37, Magic gets past Pippen and runs into two Bulls--then passes to an open player. Magic legitimately gets by--but this is part of what you have to do with great players, force them into tough positions. Time and again Magic runs right into a defender(s) behind Pippen.
As to the open 3, once again the Bulls decide to leave a player wide open (Grant on Worthy).
Magic is finding wide open players who aren't being defended.
At 44:50, Pippen is hammered at half court, leading Magic to take (and miss) and open three.
45:23, Pippen harassing Magic again but Magic gets past--but runs right into Grant and takes and misses a bad shot (Magic thought he was fouled).
46:20, Pippen giving Magic trouble in the post, Cartwright comes over--Magic passes out to Cambpell who passes to a driving Perkins (who blows past MJ after losing Paxson).
46:50, Pippen cuts Magic's angle off near half court. Jordan comes over to trap, Magic forced to pass to Divac. Divac finds an open Worthy for 2. Grant lost him as he thought about leaving Worthy open in the post to rotate over to Divac (left open due to MJ trapping) for 3. Pippen did his job, Grant botched his. You can live with a Divac three, not an 8 footer from Worthy.
47:39, Pippen harassing Magic yet again. Magic careens into a Pippen/Jordan sandwich. MJ is in front of him, Magic blows by for a layup. Magic scores but had to work for it. Only his second field goal with 8 1/2 in the third.
51:36, Scott brings the ball up. Grant decides to leave Worthy wide open. Scott passes to Divac in the post who hits the open Worthy for 2. I mention this because Pippen/Magic aren't involved in this play at all yet Divac finds the open man like Magic did when Perkins/Worthy were left open earlier.
52:07, Bulls pulling away. Magic posts up Pippen, Grant decides to leave Worthy open again, Magic passes it to Worthy for 2.
52:26, Magic running but Pippen knocks the ball away to disrupt the transition opportunity.
52:50, Magic gets past MJ, misses a layup.
53:00, Pippen picks Magic up full court, Magic gives up the ball.
53:35, Magic misses a lay up contested by Pippen.
54:14, Pippen giving Magic trouble bringing the ball up yet again. Passes to Worthy, Worthy loses the ball.
55:00, Magic gets past Pippen (and Levingston), MJ fouls him.
56:58, Divac brings the ball up initially (then Scott).
1:01:00, Magic dunks but you only see the end of the play since NBC had a graphic up.
1:01:50, Pippen gives Magic the usual trouble bringing the ball up. Magic gets by--runs into two defenders and gets a charge.
1:06:40, Pippen fouls Magic for FT's.
1:07:37, Pippen stays in front of Magic, Grant comes over. Green, who wasn't covered, shoots and misses an open 3. An open look but hardly Pippen's fault--no one is covering Green.
1:10:20, discussion of the pressure Magic is under. Fratello says they may have to play Scott at PG for the next game to take the pressure off.
1:11:02, Divac pushes MJ away and gets open for a layup, Magic finds him.
1:20:30, Pippen hounds Magic, Magic gets by and runs into Williams but tips his miss.
Pippen only guarded Magic for 6 of 20 quarters (less than 30% of possessions)
Jordan guarded Magic most of the series - 14 of 20 quarters plus OT
[B]So MJ had twice the defensive impact on Magic because he guarded Magic twice as much as Pippen
And forwards normally guard Magic, so MJ did Pippen's job for him by guarding Magic most of the time[/B]
Take your 1-9 agenda to another thread.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock;14054836]Take your 1-9 agenda to another thread.[/QUOTE]
Pippen only guarded Magic for 6 of 20 quarters (less than 30% of possessions)
Jordan guarded Magic most of the series - 14 of 20 quarters plus OT
^^^ do you dispute this?
[QUOTE=SouBeachTalents;14054450]So two runs where he won 0 playoff games? That's the best you got?[/QUOTE]
That's a lot better than Pippen's performance without Mike