Do any of you want religion/God to be true?

[QUOTE=~primetime~]It's not a spitting in anyone's face IMO

"I think" I would endure harsh conditions over not existing...and many humans have endured harsh conditions over suicide.

[B]you're right I have never been a slave so I don't know for sure...but I do know many slaves could have probably chosen death over slavery and they chose slavery...I don't think I would be any different[/B][/QUOTE]
this is true and a good point

i don't think talking about the point is like offensive or anything, just worthy of some agnosticism

no because pretty much all of us would be going to hell. well assuming Christianity were true. even most religious people of today would be going to hell since they've watered down their religion so much from its original tenets.

like religious person mentality these days is do whatever the fukk u want, then if you're caught cry and pray to God that you have sinned, and use the 'God forgives', 'jesus died for our sins' copouts to worm your way into heaven :rolleyes:

and hell sounds like worst case scenario of anything. screw that.

[QUOTE=Godzuki]no because pretty much all of us would be going to hell. well assuming Christianity were true. even most religious people of today would be going to hell since they've watered down their religion so much from its original tenets.

like religious person mentality these days is do whatever the fukk u want, then if you're caught cry and pray to God that you have sinned, and use the 'God forgives', 'jesus died for our sins' copouts to worm your way into heaven :rolleyes:

and hell sounds like worst case scenario of anything. screw that.[/QUOTE]

Well, it doesn't have to be Christianity. It could be Catholic, Islamic, or Mormon. All of their version of God came from Judaism. Judaism version of hell (Gehinnom) is where you get a spanking of your wrong doings like spanking the evil out of you, and then get sent back to God. There is no eternal suffering as oppose to Christianity.

You can basically choose whatever you want to believe and roll your dice with that. They all could be BS tho.

[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan][QUOTE=97 bulls]
As I have told you before the bible contradicts itself completely in multiple places. its almost as if it isnt the word of an all knowing omniscient God

[QUOTE]Tamar thy daughter in law hath played the harlot; and also, behold, she is with child by whoredom. And Judah said, Bring her forth, and let her be burnt. -- Genesis 38:24 (its ok to burn slutty women who get pregnant)[/QUOTE]
Again. Read the whole chapter. She was never burned. And more importantly, it was a story. It in no way shows that God condoned that burning her.

[QUOTE]Anyone that doesnt think these particular bible verses dont teach horrific moral lessons are immoral imo. Police instructions (in america) are based on laws passed by democratically elected governments. If cops are in the wrong we have judicial mechanizes to get reparations. The bible was written and/or complied by unelected leaders[/QUOTE]
Its clear you have nothing but an agenda. The Bible does nothing of the sort. You totally distorted the context of the scriptures you quoted

[QUOTE=97 bulls]Again. Read the whole chapter. She was never burned. And more importantly, it was a story. It in no way shows that God condoned that burning her.


Its clear you have nothing but an agenda. The Bible does nothing of the sort. You totally distorted the context of the scriptures you quoted[/QUOTE]

What I'm gathering you're saying is that we must look at the Bible in context to the time it was written/practiced. Isn't one of the very few things religion can apparently claim still to do is stop moral relativism? If so any argument saying religious morality can change based on the times is a negative against religion and more evidence as to why a secular society goes forward, not backwards like a Christian/Muslim one.

I don't know/who cares

but how can you overrate a book/someone so much
yet people have still failed to take down all that it has achieved?

[QUOTE=GimmeThat]I don't know/who cares

but how can you overrate a book/someone so much
yet people have still failed to take down all that it has achieved?[/QUOTE]

Are you insane? Religion relies on one thing and one thing only, human's inability to understand that those who make the claims need to prove them and not the other way around.

If we lived in a society like that rather than one where the popular opinion can say "prove it doesn't exist" and get away with it way more than like 10% of the world would consider themselves Atheists.

Religious Logic for you:

LeBron: I am holding an apple behind my back.

Kobe: Prove it.

LeBron: Prove I am not holding an apple behind my back.

Kobe: ...

[QUOTE=Nowitness]Are you insane? Religion relies on one thing and one thing only, human's inability to understand that those who make the claims need to prove them and not the other way around.

If we lived in a society like that rather than one where the popular opinion can say "prove it doesn't exist" and get away with it way more than like 10% of the world would consider themselves Atheists.

Religious Logic for you:

LeBron: I am holding an apple behind my back.

Kobe: Prove it.

LeBron: Prove I am not holding an apple behind my back.

Kobe: ...[/QUOTE]


if you can't eat the apple, what good is asking for someone to prove it?

and if you can taste the apple with your eyes blind folded.


is that proof you are eating an apple?
is there proof it's not just some scientifically synthetic object in which tingles your taste buds which triggers the chemistry in your brain to stimulate and remind you that it is an apple that you are tasting?

are you after the taste of an apple
or are you trying to prove something else? that the person is lying to you about what you are tasting?


edit: right on the title though, do you want it to be true?

"Lack of trust in other people, creates a need for religion if you cannot rely on people you will in God based on an idea of him that suits your needs"

Truth.

[QUOTE=GimmeThat]if you can't eat the apple, what good is asking for someone to prove it?

and if you can taste the apple with your eyes blind folded.


is that proof you are eating an apple?
is there proof it's not just some scientifically synthetic object in which tingles your taste buds which triggers the chemistry in your brain to stimulate and remind you that it is an apple that you are tasting?

are you after the taste of an apple
or are you trying to prove something else? that the person is lying to you about what you are tasting?


edit: right on the title though, do you want it to be true?[/QUOTE]

You've just wasted 20 seconds of my time. Not that I am important but still.

You've gone off on a tangent on an example. Better off admitting we don't know then, what you're saying is realms of perception are limitless (or limited, either way the can give credence to the idea of a God/transcendence).

Nice try but again, the question is about Christian/Catholic or even Islamic God, not the unknown (because religion, as you know claims it does).

[QUOTE=BigBoss]"Lack of trust in other people, creates a need for religion if you cannot rely on people you will in God based on an idea of him that suits your needs"

Truth.[/QUOTE]


lack of trust in yourself, creates a reason to humble yourself and rely upon others knowledge and wisdom to find ideas in which that suits your need

having trust in others, singles out those that can not be reached, in which you then believe that there might be a super being out there who have the ability to reach them in ways you can not

[QUOTE=Nowitness]You've just wasted 20 seconds of my time. Not that I am important but still.

You've gone off on a tangent on an example. Better off admitting we don't know then, what you're saying is realms of perception are limitless (or limited, either way the can give credence to the idea of a God/transcendence).

Nice try but again, the question is about Christian/Catholic or even Islamic God, not the unknown (because religion, as you know claims it does).[/QUOTE]


I'm right on subject.

you don't want it to be true.

[QUOTE=GimmeThat]I'm right on subject.

you don't want it to be true.[/QUOTE]

Assertive; at least all you're doing is trolling on a basketball forum and not killing people like many other nuts like you have done.

And I agree, that is why I consider myself an Antitheist. An Atheist doesn't believe because there is no evidence, which is why Ii created the thread. They still could want it to be true. I however am glad there is no evidence for it outside of stupid semantic games and ****bois like you talking nonsense about realms of perception. I could label all the reason why I am glad religion isn't true, but we both know it will do nothing to change your mind.

[QUOTE=Nowitness]Assertive; at least all you're doing is trolling on a basketball forum and not killing people like many other nuts like you have done.

And I agree, that is why I consider myself an Antitheist. An Atheist doesn't believe because there is no evidence, which is why Ii created the thread. They still could want it to be true. I however am glad there is no evidence for it outside of stupid semantic games and ****bois like you talking nonsense about realms of perception. I could label all the reason why I am glad religion isn't true, but we both know it will do nothing to change your mind.[/QUOTE]


I guess my record of haven't created any threads on ISH on this account is holding up quite well so far.

yes, I am assertive indeed.