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I don't see what the big deal. If you know that a culture is predominantly heterosexual, why is there a big deal when there isn't total acceptance of homosexuality? I know people should be open minded, but by thinking that sexual preferences that are clearly not in public favor will be approved by the public at large is silly.
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I'd like to think of myself as a tolerant person, but being in the presence of a gay male who is attracted to you is a disgusting experience. I went through that in a previous position a couple of years ago and it was only through exercising rigid self-control that I didn't cave his head in with a baseball bat.
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Is it any different that having an unattractive woman (i.e. a person you would never ever falk) slobebring all over you? I really dont think it is, at least in my experience. At least the gay guy will probably buy me some drinks :rockon:
[QUOTE=reppy]Most gays I've ever spoke with said they knew from an early age that there was something different about them.
I mean dude, in 2nd grade I was already fantasizing about women's boobs and receiving oral sex from them. And I have no idea how I even got those ideas. When you're a heterosexual guy, it just comes naturally, I guess.
When you're straight, certain things just seem like a good idea. Like having a girl's mouth on your wiener.[/QUOTE]
Even then, to a large degree most people's sexual life is private. There is nothing private about skin color. Comparing the plight of the gay man to that of the black man is absurd.
[QUOTE=BlackMoses]I don't see what the big deal. If you know that a culture is predominantly heterosexual, why is there a big deal when there isn't total acceptance of homosexuality? I know people should be open minded, but by thinking that sexual preferences that are clearly not in public favor will be approved by the public at large is silly.[/QUOTE]
I think there is both a generational and cultural difference in opinion. Many yankees under 30 dont care if you keep it to yourself. Older generation tends to be a little less tolerant and so do southerners. That being said, I had a friend teaching a 200 level class(about 140 kids) at Texas A&M (a notoriously conservative school) and asked them a question about gay marriage. About a third said it was immoral or against god's wil etc, a third didnt care as long as people kept it to themselves and about a third thought it should be supported and public. I was a little shocked that 2/3 of people in this situation were ok with it.
[QUOTE=HoustonRockets87]Hardaway: ``Well, you know I hate gay people, so I let it be known. I don't like gay people and I don't like to be around gay people. I am homophobic. I don't like it. It shouldn't be in the world or in the United States. So yeah, I don't like it.''
Real admirable.....There are people that don't like black people. If Lary Bird came out and said "you know I hate black people" that would be really admirable............:rollingeyes:[/QUOTE]
If it was the truth and the majority of players felt that way but were afraid to say it then I think it would be admirable becuz being truthful is always admirable.....The difference between Tim Hardaway and you local catholic priest is you local catholic priest says these things then turns arouns and feels up a little boy.
The difference between Tim Hardaway and GWB is GWB has advisors and a little ear bud withthe voice of someone telling him what to say.
His sentiment is hateful and that is dissappointing and shows his ignorance in this matter but it doesn't make the act of speaking the truth not admirable.
He didn't say go out and violate Gay people...he didn't say he'd exterminate gay people he didn't advocate discrimination against gay people....he said he'd not want him on his team or in the lockeroom....not sure I would want that either.
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He didn't say go out and violate Gay people...he didn't say he'd exterminate gay people he didn't advocate discrimination against gay people....he said he'd not want him on his team or in the lockeroom....not sure I would want that either.[/QUOTE]
nice cheap shot at the catholic church :confusedshrug:
read your quote again. his venom extends beyond the locker room. It shouldnt be in the US or the world? :wtf: He might as well say he would like to see a gay genocide. Its not stated, but its pretty well implied.
[QUOTE=boozehound]I wonder how many of you are ok with two fake lesbos going at it ina club or in a video? Is only male gayness wrong or all gayness? does there have to be penetration?
Wrong based upon....?
There are lots of well documented cases of gay sex in animals species. Some researchers estimate as high as 40% in some species. Are they wrong as well? Did they make a concious decision?
Is it wrong to engage in polygyny or polyandry? Even if its in the bible?
This statement is just as ignorant as me saying that it is wrong to be black or some other category loosely based on biological traits. :no:
If I can be bigoted against someone for being gay and that is publicly accepted, I should also be allowed to be bigoted based on racial classification or any other trait (political persuasion).
Being a christian is wrong, flat out. Against good morals too. WOuld we support this statement as acceptable if it was made against a Muslim player? Religious intolerance?
Being a christian is definitely a choice, but there is soem evidence suggesting that homosexuality is a reslut of both genetics and environment. Not neccesarily conclusive, but little in science is. [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070"]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070[/URL][/QUOTE]
Intolerance to Muslims has already been exercised in the sporting world reference Chris Jackson circe his Macmoud Rauf days....he was killed in the press for not being all star spangelled bannery......mostly becuz he was following an Islamic teaching.
Strait Men aren't comfortable being in close quarters naked etc with guys they know are gay....It's like asking wome to shower with men...especially women who perceive themselves as desireable....there would need to be a lot more understanding of homosexuality (which there just isn't) and a lot more education on homosexuality..which there won't be...b4 things change...tim was just responding honestly...people chill
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"I Hate gay people"
*starts sweating*
"I Hate gay people"
*twitches left eye nervously*
*takes deep breath*
"I Hate gay people"
"I Pay... DANG!!!!"
[QUOTE=KWALI]Intolerance to Muslims has already been exercised in the sporting world reference Chris Jackson circe his Macmoud Rauf days....he was killed in the press for not being all star spangelled bannery......mostly becuz he was following an Islamic teaching.
Strait Men aren't comfortable being in close quarters naked etc with guys they know are gay....It's like asking wome to shower with men...especially women who perceive themselves as desireable....there would need to be a lot more understanding of homosexuality (which there just isn't) and a lot more education on homosexuality..which there won't be...b4 things change...tim was just responding honestly...people chill[/QUOTE]
He is entitled to his opinion. But so are racists, and sexists, and xenophobes. It doesnt mean I have to respect the person or their opinion.
If he had said "I would not be comfortable having a gay man on my team and in my locker room", this wouldnt be an issue. He said "I hate gays". Thats the issue. He used an excessively strong word and hes getting backlash. Hes entitled to his opinion and Im entitled to my opinion that he is a giant pile of homophobic sheite.
O and people using same sex acts in animals to legitimize being gay are misinforming people....No animals that mate repeatedly or for life have shown any observed gay tendancies.....the same sex acts are similiar to what happens in prisons right now were men surrounded by and only having access to men will act out sexually on one another...that is not homosexuality...
eg. Elephants live in gender striated groups and only the top BUlls are allowed to mate.....teenage bulls do hump on each other but that is becuz they would not be able to mate with a female...so that same sex act is not a choice to perform sex acts or mate with individuals of the same sex but only a release of tensions for the biologial urge to mate...which is to reproduce...something gay sex doesn't do.
So you can't simply say animals are gay so it's a biological reality it's simply not understood anywhere near that level.
[QUOTE=Tarik One]No different than Karl Malone's remarks about Magic's HIV years ago. I don't see the big deal. He's only echoing many other's opinions. I find it somewhat admirable.[/QUOTE]
what was said about that again? i completely forgot
[QUOTE=boozehound]He is entitled to his opinion. But so are racists, and sexists, and xenophobes. It doesnt mean I have to respect the person or their opinion.
If he had said "I would not be comfortable having a gay man on my team and in my locker room", this wouldnt be an issue. He said "I hate gays". Thats the issue. He used an excessively strong word and hes getting backlash. Hes entitled to his opinion and Im entitled to my opinion that he is a giant pile of homophobic sheite.[/QUOTE]
I already read that post and I didn't respond to it...I am just simply saying I wonder where all of you were defending Rauf when he was getting strung up for being Muslim?
As has already been said Tim Hardaway isn't the most eloquent person and he didn't make a public service announcement he was asked..I actually think the person knew they could ge that type of response from him and that's why they asked him and not a more savy guy...but bet your sticks Grant Hill probably doesn't wanna shower with ******s either.
Not even Tim Hardaway is asking yo0u to respect him or like him either.....he is prejudiced that may not be cool with you but if his sentiments mean you have less respect for him there are A LOT of people you don't respect. like I said GWB...the POPE..
[QUOTE=boozehound]I wonder how many of you are ok with two fake lesbos going at it ina club or in a video? Is only male gayness wrong or all gayness? does there have to be penetration?
Wrong based upon....?
There are lots of well documented cases of gay sex in animals species. Some researchers estimate as high as 40% in some species. Are they wrong as well? Did they make a concious decision?
Is it wrong to engage in polygyny or polyandry? Even if its in the bible?
This statement is just as ignorant as me saying that it is wrong to be black or some other category loosely based on biological traits. :no:
If I can be bigoted against someone for being gay and that is publicly accepted, I should also be allowed to be bigoted based on racial classification or any other trait (political persuasion).
Being a christian is wrong, flat out. Against good morals too. WOuld we support this statement as acceptable if it was made against a Muslim player? Religious intolerance?
Being a christian is definitely a choice, but there is soem evidence suggesting that homosexuality is a reslut of both genetics and environment. Not neccesarily conclusive, but little in science is. [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070"]http://www.nytimes.com/2005/05/17/opinion/17pinker.html?ex=1171688400&en=39239b6beb74c2a1&ei=5070[/URL][/QUOTE]
Re-read my post. I said homosexuality is wrong. I never said I hated gays. Maybe I left out the fact that Tim Hardaway was being disrespectful. I don't like homosexuality, but I will still give gays and lesbians their respect because they are human beings. Homosexuality as the verb is completely wrong. Sex was ment between a man and a woman. Not a man and man or a woman and a woman.
Like I said I think homosexuality is wrong, but I'm not gunna go outside and start calling gay people f@gs or queers. Gay people are humans that deserve the respect that gay people get.
Hardaway has alot to learn and Im sure hes gonna get ragged on for awhile but if gay players would become a normal thing in the NBA...would they share the same locker room?
It would be interesting to see how that would work... Imagine Jordan turning to Pippen after taking off his shorts and noticing that Pippen has a bone. It wouldnt be right...
...then again Ive never used co-ed bathrooms or locker rooms.....
[QUOTE=305Baller]Hardaway has alot to learn and Im sure hes gonna get ragged on for awhile but if gay players would become a normal thing in the NBA...would they share the same locker room?
It would be interesting to see how that would work... Imagine Jordan turning to Pippen after taking off his shorts and noticing that Pippen has a bone. It wouldnt be right...
...then again Ive never used co-ed bathrooms or locker rooms.....[/QUOTE]
It would be like the guys and the girl's changing room/bathrooms. Instead it would be guys and gays.