[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
This applies if you think all Muslims are the same.
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[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
This applies if you think all Muslims are the same.
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam, but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.[/QUOTE]
its always about whats best for america eh??
disgusting creature.
just as disgusting as the guys in the video you posted. but more subtle
[QUOTE=highwhey]So why exactly is the US refusing to help? Other than sending troops to secure the embassy and other US interests, they aren't directly involving themselves in this invasion.
I realize it's easier said than done, but does the American government truly plan to sit back and watch [B]this terrorist group [/B]undo all their work? It's not as if this war contributed heavily to the national trillion dollar deficit...oh wait nvm.
If you really want to mess around with the perspective on the stats of ISIS...you can point out that in a matter of days they took over a lot of land and ended up +400 million cash. The US is -17 Trillion?[/QUOTE]
Those arent simple terrorist, those jihadist, and they are probably being funded by U.S.'s buddies Saudi Arabia and Qatar
[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]The same dudes there calling terrorists in Iraq and Afghanistan there arming in Syria.:facepalm[/QUOTE]
this
America doesnt give a shit abut any other country.
they attacked Iraq only to secure the oil and calm down the American people who wanted to see blood after 9/11. the government is also hugely controlled by the war industry and thats why they are so easy to invade countries.
just look at what they did to Libya.
attacked a country where 95% of the population BENEFITED from Gaddafi. Gaddafi made the country rich and spread the money under ALL people. he was a socialist. so America had to destroy him because successful socialism isn't allowed to exist.
now look at Syria. 200000 innocent people have already been killed there by a monster of a dictator and America refuses to give a shit.
Why?? because they don't benefit from invading it/destroying Assad.
America is the real devil, groups like Al-Quaida and Isis are only there minions:facepalm
[QUOTE=KevinNYC]This applies if you think all Muslims are the same.[/QUOTE]
[IMG]http://newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/usaid-alqaeda.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan]Its a very complicated situation. On the surface the US should obviously fight the comicbookishly evil guys that murder, torture, crucify, etc people and post it on youtube.
ISIS does drive bys, they make fathers and sons dig graves for each other, etc. And the video tape it all.
With that said many US allies in the region are probably secretly rooting for ISIS. We have a lot of Sunni dictators in the region as allies, eg. Saudi arabia, UAE, Bahrain, Kuwait, etc.
These powers fear the non sunni powers in the region, particularly Shia Iran. Who also happens to be opposed to many american interests. They support hezbollah and Assad's alawite dictatorship. Just a 2 weeks ago it looked like Iran would gain in influence in the region. Assad was winning and Iraq's shia majority had just won an election confirming their control. Obviously as the strongest non-sunni/shia power iran would wield great power in the region.
The rise of ISIS has hurt iranian prospects. All of a sudden their ally/client state of Assad's syria is on the defensive and Iraq's shia army (armed and trained by americans) ran and hid. (30,000 soldiers armed with assault rifles, body armor, tanks, APC, air support, etc ran from 800 ISIS fighters with aks, rpgs and cars)
Assad is also an enemy of america
Also al-Maliki discriminated against the sunnis. When we left Iraq, he was sharing power with sunnis. After we left he systematically purged them from the government. Sunni discontent with maliki is a big factor in them flocking to ISIS fighters.[/QUOTE]
This is not just ISIS doing the fighting. Baathist elements and tribal militias are part of this too. It's a second Sunni uprising against Maliki. So if Maliki/The Shia were gone these groups would be fighting each other for control. It's a temporary alliance.
As for Assad's alawite dictatorship, there's a growing body of thought that he has supported ISIS. When the rebellion started he freed a lot of Sunni Militants who then went into the fight against him, It helped him claim that the rebellion against him was 100% jihadi. Newsweek just [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631"]put something out on this.[/URL] Also Assad has been [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/world/middleeast/rebels-in-syria-claim-control-of-resources.html?_r=0"]buying oil from ISIS[/URL]
[QUOTE]The Islamic State of Iraq and Syria is even selling fuel to the Assad government, lending weight to allegations by opposition leaders that it is secretly working with Damascus to weaken the other rebel groups and discourage international support for their cause.
Although there is no clear evidence of direct tactical coordination between the group and Mr. Assad, American officials say that his government has facilitated the group
[QUOTE=fiddy]Those arent simple terrorist, those jihadist, and they are probably being funded by U.S.'s buddies Saudi Arabia and Qatar[/QUOTE]
just had a German political explain in our national TV how its okay for Germany to keep exporting massive numbers of weapons into Arabian states even tho they end up in terrorists hands.
he stated that it
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]This is not just ISIS doing the fighting. Baathist elements and tribal militias are part of this too. It's a second Sunni uprising against Maliki. So if Maliki/The Shia were gone these groups would be fighting each other for control. It's a temporary alliance.
[B]As for Assad's alawite dictatorship, there's a growing body of thought that he has supported ISIS[/B]. When the rebellion started he freed a lot of Sunni Militants who then went into the fight against him, It helped him claim that the rebellion against him was 100% jihadi. Newsweek just [URL="http://www.newsweek.com/how-syrias-assad-helped-forge-isis-255631"]put something out on this.[/URL] Also Assad has been [URL="http://www.nytimes.com/2014/01/29/world/middleeast/rebels-in-syria-claim-control-of-resources.html?_r=0"]buying oil from ISIS[/URL]
Syria's Assad accused of [URL="http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/syria/10585391/Syrias-Assad-accused-of-boosting-al-Qaeda-with-secret-oil-deals.html"]boosting al-Qaeda with secret oil deals[/URL][/QUOTE]
Its the Saudis, why would Assad support jihadist
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UgcnxaNdMHg/UccB_evOwOI/AAAAAAAAARE/zQB0AW7mOWs/s1600/bashar+the+bad+guy.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=Rodmantheman][IMG]http://newsrescue.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/09/usaid-alqaeda.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
And what exactly does that photo show?
You can find US Aid tents throughout Pakistan and Afghanistan. In India, Thailand, the Philippines etc.
You do know there's about 3 million Syria refugees from the War right. They live in camps like this.
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[IMG]http://l3.yimg.com/bt/api/res/1.2/IscY4oZGwctScru1ej9SIw--/YXBwaWQ9eW5ld3M7Zmk9ZmlsbDtoPTQyMTtweG9mZj01MDtweW9mZj0wO3E9NzU7dz03NDk-/http://media.zenfs.com/en_us/News/ap_webfeeds/a9b1ee522354002a460f6a706700ed30.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://news.bbcimg.co.uk/media/images/61889000/jpg/_61889228_tents.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://foreignpolicyblogs.com/wp-content/uploads/syrian-refugee-camp-in-turkey-e1343744464635.jpg[/IMG]
[QUOTE=fiddy]Its the Saudis, why would Assad support jihadist[/QUOTE]
Because it complicates and undercuts any rationale to fund his opponents. Because it forces Alawites to choose him for protection and then he gets to portray himself as the heroic last defense against the jihadis.
Why at the revolution broke out would he clear his jails of militants like this?
Dictator's don't think the way others do..........actually here's someone making the same point
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[QUOTE=KevinNYC]Because it complicates and undercuts any rationale to fund his opponents. Because it forces Alawites to choose him for protection and then he gets to portray himself as the heroic last defense against the jihadis.
Why at the revolution broke out would he clear his jails of militants like this?
Dictator's don't think the way others do..........actually here's someone making the same point
[IMG]http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-UgcnxaNdMHg/UccB_evOwOI/AAAAAAAAARE/zQB0AW7mOWs/s1600/bashar+the+bad+guy.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
If he was a dictator he would have been over thrown you idiot most of the population support him:hammerhead:
[QUOTE=Rodmantheman]If he was a dictator he would have been over thrown you idiot most of the population support him:hammerhead:[/QUOTE]
Lots of folks supported Saddam Hussein as well, do you think he wasn't a dictator?
Do you think the three year + rebellion is because he is so supported by his people? Do you think none of the opposition is domestic?
Remind me again in 2011 before Assad's crackdown, were this people coming out to protest Assad or support Assad.
[IMG]http://womennewsnetwork.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/017-SYRIAprotestsJuly2011Imagesyriana2011.jpg[/IMG]
[IMG]http://woollydays.files.wordpress.com/2011/08/hama2bprotest.png[/IMG]
[QUOTE=MavsSuperFan][B]ya, the only thing that would stop a civil war is a strong dictator like saddam[/B], but its too late to establish a pro american dictator, so at this point im rooting for a partition of the country.[/QUOTE]
If only he wasn't getting ready to attack the US with weapons of mass destruction. Oh well, I'm sure the war wasn't a complete waste and everything will work itself out.