#51 NBA Player Of All-Time According to InsideHoops

The top 50 from the first list back in 2007 compared to the list now.

[B]ISH 100 Greatest NBA Players of All-Time[/B]
1. Michael Jordan
2. Wilt Chamberlain
3. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
4. Earvin 'Magic' Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Bill Russell
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Oscar Robertson
9. Hakeem Olajuwon
10. Tim Duncan
11. Jerry West
12. Julius Erving
13. Moses Malone
14. Elgin Baylor
15. Bob Pettit
16. John Havlicek
17. Karl Malone
18. George Mikan
19. David Robinson
20. Isiah Thomas
21. Charles Barkley
22. John Stockton
23. Bob Cousy
24. Kobe Bryant
25. Rick Barry
26. Scottie Pippen
27. Clyde Drexler
28. Gary Payton
29. Willis Reed
30. Patrick Ewing
31. Allen Iverson
32. Walt Frazier
33. Elvin Hayes
34. George Gervin
35. Jason Kidd
36. Dave Cowens
37. Kevin Garnett
38. Bob McAdoo
39. Nate Thurmond
40. Wes Unseld
41. Kevin McHale
42. Dolph Schayes
43. Dominique Wilkins
44. Bill Walton
45. Sam Jones
46. Kevin Johnson
47. Dennis Rodman
48. Dirk Nowitzki
49. Steve Nash
50. Billy Cunningham



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1. Michael Jordan
2. Kareem Abdul-Jabbar
3. Bill Russell
4. Magic Johnson
5. Larry Bird
6. Wilt Chamberlain
7. Shaquille O'Neal
8. Kobe Bryant
9. Tim Duncan
10. Hakeem Olajuwon
11. Lebron James
12. Moses Malone
13. Oscar Robertson
14. Jerry West
15. Julius Erving
16. Kevin Garnett
17. Karl Malone
18. Charles Barkley
19. Elgin Baylor
20. Bob Pettit
21. John Havlicek
22. Dirk Nowitzki
23. George Mikan
24. David Robinson
25. Isiah Thomas
26. Bob Cousy
27. Scottie Pippen
28. Rick Barry
29. Dwyane Wade
30. Willis Reed
31. Patrick Ewing
32. John Stockton
33. Walt Frazier
34. Clyde Drexler
35. Steve Nash
36. Allen Iverson
37. Dave Cowens
38. Dolph Schayes
39. Bill Walton
40. Kevin McHale
41. Jason Kidd
42. Wes Unseld
43. Gary Payton
44. Elvin Hayes
45. Paul Arizin
46. Bob McAdoo
47. Dominique Wilkins
48. George Gervin
49. Paul Pierce
50. Dennis Rodman

Dwight Howard.

Dwight:cheers:

peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?

[QUOTE=Jacks3]peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?[/QUOTE]
True, but I dont think he's accomplished enough to be in quite yet. I'm a McGrady fan too. I'd probably have him with the likes of the Chris Webbers, Vince Carters, Reggie Millers, Grant Hills, etc.

Anyway, I vote for James Worthy.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?[/QUOTE]
Because a career goes beyond peak.

[QUOTE=WockaVodka]Because a career goes beyond peak.[/QUOTE]
And a human life goes beyond ISH... Post on your StateOfMind account. Like you really believe we dont know it's you, RG? :oldlol:

But this is correct. Otherwise, guys like English and Dantley would have been voted in already.

[QUOTE=Fudge]And a human life goes beyond ISH... Post on your StateOfMind account. Like you really believe we dont know it's you, RG? :oldlol:

But this is correct. Otherwise, guys like English and Dantley would have been voted in already.[/QUOTE]

Shit, another RG account?

I can't keep up.

[QUOTE=Jacks3]peak/prime T-Mac is a flat-out better player than many of these guys. how does he not make the top 50?[/QUOTE]
Because he's not a top 50 player of all-time.

lol at Tmac making a top 50 list. This is the top 50 greatest players of all-time list, not the top 50 players that could never make it past the 1st round list.

Durant in 2012 was better than Tmac ever was. So if you want to complain about Tmac missing out, you should complain about KD missing out first.

[QUOTE=WillC]That's not true though.

[B]Statistically, it's a toss-up[/B]. Tracy McGrady probably had the best single season while Grant Hill's around stats are very impressive. No doubt Chris Paul is excellent statistically too, but it's debatable that he's better than the aforementioned players. Meanwhile, in terms of accolades, I've just shown that all 4 players are remarkably similar in that regard.

I think maybe you were too young to remember Penny and Grant Hill back in the 1990s....[/QUOTE]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=paulch01&y1=2012&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2004&p3=hillgr01&y3=2001&p4=hardaan01&y4=2000#advanced::6[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=paulch01&y1=2012&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2004&p3=hillgr01&y3=2001&p4=hardaan01&y4=2000#advanced::22[/url]
[url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=1&p1=paulch01&y1=2012&p2=mcgratr01&y2=2004&p3=hillgr01&y3=2001&p4=hardaan01&y4=2000#advanced::21[/url]

Paul is tops by every metric and and has (near enough) half as many again win shares as the next guy.
This despite being a point guard for whom it is generally harder to score highly in advanced stats.
e.g. Of the 165 seasons playing starter minutes with a PER above 25, only 16 have been been by pgs, less than half what you'd expect is distribution was even across the postions. [url]http://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/psl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=single&type=per_game&per_minute_base=36&lg_id=NBA&is_playoffs=N&year_min=&year_max=&franch_id=&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&height_min=0&height_max=99&birth_country_is=Y&birth_country=&is_active=&is_hof=&is_as=&as_comp=gt&as_val=0&pos_is_g=Y&pos_is_gf=Y&pos_is_f=Y&pos_is_fg=Y&pos_is_fc=Y&pos_is_c=Y&pos_is_cf=Y&qual=&c1stat=per&c1comp=gt&c1val=25&c2stat=mp_per_g&c2comp=gt&c2val=30&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5stat=&c5comp=gt&c6mult=1.0&c6stat=&order_by=per&order_by_asc=&offset=0#stats::none[/url]
Those 16 are
6 by Oscar Robertson
5 by Magic (4 if you don

"I don't think there has been or will be a better small forward than James, and I don't think people appreciated that. He was always such a quiet guy. But when he was in his prime, I can guarantee you, there wasn't anybody who could touch him." - Pat Riley

"James Worthy was one of the top 10 -- top five -- players in playoff history"- Magic Johnson


He has missed by one vote the last 2 rounds, but the more he slips, the more ridiculous it will get.

Big Game James and his NBA Finals MVP, NCAA Tournament MVP, 54.4% career playoff shooting percentage, years of leading the Showtime Lakers in playoff scoring.

If you ever saw him play, it has to be James Worthy. :bowdown: