Wilt Chamberlain swishes four 3-point range hook shots in a row

[QUOTE=eliteballer]Big deal, I've seen Dan Majrele sit on a chair at halfcourt with his back to the basket and sink a one handed shot.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, after all, Wilt was definitely Majerle's rival when it came to long range shooting...

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]You must be related to John Trapp[/QUOTE]
grandkid right? still trying to get back the $5

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Inb4 Deuce comes in and turns this into a straw-man argument by trying to suggest Wilt fans all once "believed" that Wilt sank blind full court hook shots with his left hand on a regular basis during games - and that this video is actually proof we are all fools for believing all of that because this clearly isn't during a game and is only right handed from the corner :lol[/QUOTE]

Nah, he'll just post the famous Bob Cousy dribbling gif, aka, the argument to end all arguments.

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]grandkid right? still trying to get back the $5[/QUOTE]
And still making terrible bets :lol

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][B]just noticed something verry strange about this wilt video. if you look at the other laker player's mouth when he says "this is the one i'm talkin about for 5 dollars"

it almost looks like its shopped in. looks verry strange.

watch from 0:19 to 0:21


might be fake now that i saw this. his mouth looks stretched and weird like a guy was making his lips move with a computer... [/B]

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IC8Nwkd1w&feature=g-user-u#t=0m18s[/url][/QUOTE]

What's your point? That he actually never opened his mouth? That he said something else? Provide evidence.
BTW, there had been a user many years ago in another forum (the insiders and later RealGM) who had claimed he had viewed a video of Wilt making exactly such types of shots. Probably he was talking about the same "fake" footage that almost anyone here is looking for the first time.

[QUOTE=Psileas]What's your point? That he actually never opened his mouth? That he said something else? Provide evidence.
BTW, there had been a user many years ago in another forum (the insiders and later RealGM) who had claimed he had viewed a video of Wilt making exactly such types of shots. Probably he was talking about the same "fake" footage that almost anyone here is looking for the first time.[/QUOTE]


look at his mouth. it moves up and down. and the lips only go up and down like a puppet lol

thats not how people talk..

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin]lol@ dan needing his right hand to make those shots

[url]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fLMjUE0yiks[/url][/QUOTE]
Seriously, get help. You're way too obsessed with another grown man who has no f***ing clue who you are.

[QUOTE=Psileas]What's your point? That he actually never opened his mouth? That he said something else? Provide evidence.
BTW, there had been a user many years ago in another forum (the insiders and later RealGM) who had claimed he had viewed a video of Wilt making exactly such types of shots. Probably he was talking about the same "fake" footage that almost anyone here is looking for the first time.[/QUOTE]

Haha, something is wrong with the guy, it's a great trickshot..

[QUOTE=kennethgriffin][B]just noticed something verry strange about this wilt video. if you look at the other laker player's mouth when he says "this is the one i'm talkin about for 5 dollars"

it almost looks like its shopped in. looks verry strange.

watch from 0:19 to 0:21


might be fake now that i saw this. his mouth looks stretched and weird like a guy was making his lips move with a computer... [/B]

[url]www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0IC8Nwkd1w&feature=g-user-u#t=0m18s[/url][/QUOTE]

You're probably deceived by the combination of beard, fat lips and the fact that picture and sound are not synchronized. Just mute the video and watch him again, he'll appear much more normal.

[QUOTE=millwad]Haha, something is wrong with the guy, it's a great trickshot..[/QUOTE]
No he's right... guys I have to come clean - I faked the footage. I took an advanced course on adobe after effects so that I could manipulate their mouths in the footage. Then I took footage of Wilt bricking hook shots in practice and edited them extremely craftily with shots when a basketball went into the net. Then I recorded my own voice with voice synthesizers and learned 70's Jive phrases like "Savoir faire" so that I could sound like Wilt and his teammate and dub over the actual conversation which was about Wilt missing the shots rather than making them. All because I was desperate to show Wilt could shoot hook shots in practice :( I'm so ashamed

Lord Almighty! :eek:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]No he's right... guys I have to come clean - I faked the footage. I took an advanced course on adobe after effects so that I could manipulate their mouths in the footage. Then I took footage of Wilt bricking hook shots in practice and edited them extremely craftily with shots when a basketball went into the net. Then I recorded my own voice with voice synthesizers and learned 70's Jive phrases like "Savoir faire" so that I could sound like Wilt and his teammate and dub over the actual conversation which was about Wilt missing the shots rather than making them. All because I was desperate to show Wilt could shoot hook shots in practice :( I'm so ashamed[/QUOTE]

What the ****, you always do shit like this, you asshole.
This is like the time you speed up the footage of Wilt to make him look more impressive, just because you're insecure about your guy it doesn't mean that you can go around and manipulate every freaking footage you come over. It's not weird that Wilt gets alot of hate on ISH, it's because of fools like you who are so insecure about his skillset that you have to go on and edit the videos just to make him look better. IDIOT!

[COLOR="White"]KIDDING! <3[/COLOR]

[QUOTE=millwad]What the ****, you always do shit like this, you asshole.
This is like the time you speed up the footage of Wilt to make him look more impressive, just because you're insecure about your guy it doesn't mean that you can go around and manipulate every freaking footage you come over. It's not weird that Wilt gets alot of hate on ISH, it's because of fools like you who are so insecure about his skillset that you have to go on and edit the videos just to make him look better. IDIOT!

[COLOR="White"]KIDDING! <3[/COLOR][/QUOTE]
I'm Sorry - Kenneth just needed to know he was right. Great job good effort Kenneth, for uncovering my sneaky elaborate plot :cheers:

It seems edited to me.

I happen to believe he sinked a few (or even 4) hook shots from 3 point range, just not in succession. The individual shots look normal, the whole clip does not. Plus there was onlly one shot where the whole motion and the basket were visible at the same time. As for the las shot, all we saw was a swish. Not only do we not know if it was a hook shot, we can't even tell who was shooting the ball.

You know, it is very strange. They have a camera there to 'incidentally' make this clip. Yet, the cameraman doesn't show us the crazy shots, but another guy's mugshot instead.

Sorry, I'm not buying this.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]It seems edited to me.

I happen to believe he sinked a few (or even 4) hook shots from 3 point range, just not in succession. The individual shots look normal, the whole clip does not. Plus there was onlly one shot where the whole motion and the basket were visible at the same time. As for the las shot, all we saw was a swish. Not only do we not know if it was a hook shot, we can't even tell who was shooting the ball.

You know, it is very strange. They have a camera there to 'incidentally' make this clip. Yet, the cameraman doesn't show us the crazy shots, but another guy's mugshot instead.

Sorry, I'm not buying this.[/QUOTE]
:rolleyes: right and the dialogue about "I just made [I]the last 3[/I] of em" is just synthesized.... FFS Millwad isn't even making a fuss about the video and he's pretty hardline about any questionable claims and content - anybody who can't figure out that the video has simply been cut-down for time reasons (to fit into the documentary from which it came) is just being ridiculous :oldlol:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:rolleyes: right and the dialogue about "I just made [I]the last 3[/I] of em" is just synthesized.... FFS Millwad isn't even making a fuss about the video and he's pretty hardline about any questionable claims and content - anybody who can't figure out that the video has simply been cut-down for time reasons (to fit into the documentary from which it came) is just being ridiculous :oldlol:[/QUOTE]

OK

I have no dog in this fight. If Wilt did indeed sink 4 such shots in a row, more power to him. The clip still doesn't look normal to me, however, I can assure you I wasn't there when it happened, so I may be wrong. My guess is you haven't been there either, so we may as well continue to think what we do.

It's no big deal either way to me. I watched the clip several times, and it just didn't come accross as a documentary to me. Sorry.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]OK

I have no dog in this fight. If Wilt did indeed sink 4 such shots in a row, more power to him. The clip still doesn't look normal to me, however, I can assure you I wasn't there when it happened, so I may be wrong. My guess is you haven't been there either, so we may as well continue to think what we do.

It's no big deal either way to me. I watched the clip several times, and it just didn't come accross as a documentary to me. Sorry.[/QUOTE]

Come on man.... it's ripped directly from the documentary.

"Touched by Gold: '72 Lakers"

[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsjhum[/url] at 32:00.

holy cow.

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]Come on man.... it's ripped directly from the documentary.

"Touched by Gold: '72 Lakers"

[url]http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xsjhum[/url] at 32:00.

holy cow.[/QUOTE]
:lol his lingering skepticism is funny cause I think he's being serious

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]This is exactly the kinda thing that if some old coach said they saw him do people would be on here laughing and calling them lying old nutjobs spreading myths.[/QUOTE]

I don't think so. I mean, Magic and Jordan I think were doing hook shots near or at the 3pt line while they were on the dream team I believe. Vince Carter made a shot while sitting down on the other side of the court I think. Or he did it at half court.

Not too hard to believe that ppl did those things back then as well as now.

It's what you do in game that matters.

[QUOTE=Micku]I don't think so. I mean, Magic and Jordan I think were doing hook shots near or at the 3pt line while they were on the dream team I believe. Vince Carter made a shot while sitting down on the other side of the court I think. Or he did it at half court.

Not too hard to believe that ppl did those things back then as well as now.

It's what you do in game that matters.[/QUOTE]
Kblaze is 100% right. We are in the generation of footage/pics or it didn't happen - despite most of Wilt's era not being on film people still refuse to believe anything happened from back then unless it was recorded on film. Eyewitness account doesn't mean anything to some people especially with all the implausible sounding stories surrounding Wilt. Maybe you personally wouldn't have found this scenario hard to believe but I can quite easily picture this story being told from eyewitness account and people rolling their eyes or dying of laughter hearing about the old delusional John Trapp or Happy Hairston account of Wilt sinking several consecutive hook shots from deep in the corners, then Trapp betting he couldn't make another and Trapp or Hairston recounting "and it was all nothing but net, every single time, he made it look easy - he was unbelievable"... seriously, Wilt get's shredded from all his implausible stories. This, if told rather than shown, would be just another implausible Wilt tall-tale. People would point out that he never shoots hook-shots in games, and that Kareem doesn't even shoot skyhooks that far out, the skeptics always have a field day with [I]any[/I] Wilt story if there is no footage to back it up

[QUOTE=Micku]I don't think so. I mean, Magic and Jordan I think were doing hook shots near or at the 3pt line while they were on the dream team I believe. Vince Carter made a shot while sitting down on the other side of the court I think. Or he did it at half court.

Not too hard to believe that ppl did those things back then as well as now.

It's what you do in game that matters.[/QUOTE]

ya this kinda stuff [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEGabY6DMMw[/url]

check at 00:40 into that clip most monstrous.

my favorite is at 2:53 Chairman of the Board slamming his point across...

And of course at the end of the clip is when you get the freaking heart attack and die because he went to the top on a vertical lol

guy that made that video is [I]very[/I] creative in that idea

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]:lol his lingering skepticism is funny cause I think he's being serious[/QUOTE]

I am serious, yes. Problem? It's from a 'documentary' doesn't cut it for me. I just watched the sequence. It is rather strange that one guy if sinking 3 point hook shots and the camera is not focusing on the dude's attempts, but some other guy's face and the rim.

I don't even doubt Wilt could do it. He may well have been able to. I just doubt it happened at the time this clip was made. I actually believe Wilt having sunk four such shots in, say, 3 minutes. I doubt it happened within 40 seconds, 4 in a row, just at the time a camera was there which somehow wasn't filming the actual shots but closeups of the rim and another guy's face.

However, as I said I may be wrong. There is nothing I can or cannot believe will make Wilt any worse than he acually was. Or better, for that matter.

[QUOTE=elementally morale]I am serious, yes. Problem? It's from a 'documentary' doesn't cut it for me. I just watched the sequence. It is rather strange that one guy if sinking 3 point hook shots and the camera is not focusing on the dude's attempts, but some other guy's face and the rim.

I don't even doubt Wilt could do it. He may well have been able to. [B]I just doubt it happened at the time this clip was made.[/B] I actually believe Wilt having sunk four such shots in, say, 3 minutes. I doubt it happened within 40 seconds, 4 in a row, just at the time a camera was there which somehow wasn't filming the actual shots but closeups of the rim and another guy's face.

However, as I said I may be wrong. There is nothing I can or cannot believe will make Wilt any worse than he acually was. Or better, for that matter.[/QUOTE]
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Do you realize you are acting the same way those Kobe and LeBron stans do whom you so much despise? Why does it bother you that someone is not convinced? It won't hurt your hero, relax.

I'm not offended you think it did happen the way it is told, and right at the time the clip was made. I don't. The clip was not too convincing to me. If I'm wrong, I'm wrong. If so, it happened before, no biggie.

"Indiana. Let it go."


I told you from almost your first ish post that people on this board would deny visual, filmed evidence of Chamberlain at the top. And sure enough when you brought it, they denied it. This isn't any different.
Some people think the earth is flat; and there is nothing that anyone can do to change that.

I bet a skill like that took a lot of practice from Wilt. Practice that would be better served on his lowsy freethrow shooting :facepalm

[QUOTE=La Frescobaldi]"Indiana. Let it go."


I told you from almost your first ish post that people on this board would deny visual, filmed evidence of Chamberlain at the top. And sure enough when you brought it, they denied it. This isn't any different.
Some people think the earth is flat; and there is nothing that anyone can do to change that.[/QUOTE]

This is not something I call filmed evidence. It was filmed that Wilt said to have hit 4 consecutive hook shots on a row. You can clearly see one and there was another oone that seemed like it. That's pretty good in itself. However, we can't see a filmed evidence of 4 such shots in a row. We can see a swish and a player saying damn. This may be evidence to you, but it isn't to me.

Then again: I don't really doubt Wilt could do this. My doubts center around this very motion picture.

Wilt was a gotdamn Harlem globetrotter and people have trouble with the idea that hes actually making long hooks?

Have you ever seen a globetrotter game? Or even old footage? The team he played with had guys making overhand touchdown pass looking shots from 50 feet....on a regular basis. Its what they did.

NBA players are a lot better than people seem to believe at such things. Ive seen Chris Webber make sitting down threes in practice like nothing. Ever see Manute Bol shoot 3s in practice? Even...long after he retired?

Wilt not being a shooter in game doesnt mean much. there have been stories on him actually being able to shoot for 50 years. At that point he had been playing basketball for 20 years. Including time on what was damn near a professional trick shot team full of borderline magicians famous for halfcourt hooks, fancy dunks, and slight of hand pranks with the ball.

It shouldnt be hard to believe he makes these shots with ease. He probably worked on them on tour for a year.

It really doesnt matter if there is footage or not with wilt. It has to be well shot perfect footage? In the 70s? We dont have perfect footage of most of the NBA finals from that era.

But what should I expect when people tell me that if Wilt could really dunk from the FT line someone would have filmed and saved it....in a 50s high school game in Kansas....when even the NBA finals at the time have been lost or unseen for decades.

There was not high quality camera work and footage of everything until deep into the 90s. Hell there is bad camera work now. Ive still yet to see Josh Smiths reverse 360 in the dunk contest from a good angle. And there were 20 HD cameras on him.......

But if Wilt in a workout 40 years ago wasnt properly shot and edited its fake?

I cant wait till footage leaks of him doing some of the dunk contest dunks hes said to have done on TV in Paris globetrotter games leaks. Have some xfiles ass dudes on here searching for the "truth"

LOL thanks for the morning chuckles

[QUOTE=elementally morale][B]This is not something I call filmed evidence.[/B] It was filmed that Wilt said to have hit 4 consecutive hook shots on a row. You can clearly see one and there was another oone that seemed like it. That's pretty good in itself. However, we can't see a filmed evidence of 4 such shots in a row. We can see a swish and a player saying damn. This may be evidence to you, but it isn't to me.

Then again: I don't really doubt Wilt could do this. My doubts center around this very motion picture.[/QUOTE]
Is this you?:
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[QUOTE]This is like the time you speed up the footage of Wilt to make him look more impressive,[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: True.

Also, what is the basis for "3 point range". Sure doesn't look like it to me.......

[QUOTE=Kblaze8855]It shouldnt be hard to believe he makes these shots with ease. He probably worked on them on tour for a year.[/QUOTE]

I do believe he made such shots. I just don't believe it happened at the time this clip was made. It's pretty hard to believe. The camera is there. We are talking about Wilt. Hook shots. 3 point range. 4 in a row. We have a camera.

Yet, the actual shots themselves are not filmed (except 1). Why? It was simply unimportant? Then why have the camera there to begin with?

By the way, I couldn't care less if Wilt could or couldn't hit these shots. He is dead. I can do exactly nothing that would make his fame smaller. Not that I woulld like to do any such thing.

BTW, why is it so important to you guys? Why should everyone believe this? to some of you, this clip was evidence. To me, it was not. It's not the end of the world.

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]Is this you?[/QUOTE]

You are simply being rude and condescending. I don't really mind but you don't look like a mature citizen in the process. Your reasoning to all the things I wrote was a few gifs and some words in condescending manner. "This guy is not worth talking to, he is a tool."

We could have had a conversation instead.

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[QUOTE=elementally morale]You are simply being rude and condescending. I don't really mind but you don't look like a mature citizen in the process. Your reasoning to all the things I wrote was a few gifs and some words in condescending manner. "This guy is not worth talking to, he is a tool."

[B]We could have had a conversation instead.[/B][/QUOTE]

To summarize your previously stated opinon:
[I]the event happened, just not at the time the footage was filmed[/I]

:facepalm :wtf:

Just how is anyone supposed to have a serious conversation with you with an opinion like that?

I'd rather have a conversation with someone who is being a blunt (but logical) asshole than someone polite but reminds me of a loose-change conspiracy theorist. I can relate to an asshole, I can't relate to hoakie conspiracy theorists who hyperanalyzes and discredits footage due to being *edited* as if the editing was meant to do anything other than SAVE TIME.

No, that must not be why it's edited it's too simple - instead you think it more likely that the video editor and makers of the documentary (about the Lakers mind you... not about Wilt) were trying to sneakily straight up trick everyone who watches the documentary... the scene was nothing but filler footage - but you think a video editor thought it important enough to spent time and go well out of his way on the 25 second sequence to try to crudely give the illusion that Wilt sank 4 buckets in a row for no reason at all (seeing as how you think footage of the event doesn't actually exist as they show it) cause he felt that that was important for a documentary on the 1972 Lakers. Forget the far more plausible scenario where the event actually happend and it caught the editors eye an he said "oooooh hey let's put that in!" (Except the sequence originally probably took place over the course of a minute or two but the excess footage of Wilt walking up and down the floor to grab the rebounds etc needed to be edited out [U]TO SAVE TIME[/U]). No, that's not plausible to you, you think the editors just tried to straight up trick people into believing an event that was never filmed happened instead

:biggums:

How am I not supposed to sound condescending here? How do you explain the dialogue going on between Wilt and Trapp? Your skepticism is ridiculous - there is no easy way to fake that sequence, and there is no reason the documentary makers would put in any of the necessary effort and time into attempting to fake it.

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holy shit he makes infinite in a row!

[QUOTE]No, that's not good plausible to you, you think the editors just tried to straight up trick people instead.[/QUOTE]


Indeed. I'm old enough to have 'starred' in more than one documentary. The TV guys arrived and asked if I could 'spontaneously' do this and that so that they can make the actual clip. The things they asked for were ones (or very similar to ones) that actually did happen... just not at the time the documentary was shot. I had this experience both in business-related and sport-related clips (krav-maga).

[SIZE="1"]BTW, you are right. I don't buy the official 9/11 story either. I have no idea as to what the fu(k really happened, but I can tell the official version stinks. [/SIZE]

[QUOTE=elementally morale]Indeed. I'm old enough to have 'starred' in more than one documentary. The TV guys arrived and asked if I could 'spontaneously' do this and that so that they can make the actual clip. The things they asked for were ones (or very similar to ones) that actually did happen... just not at the time the documentary was shot. I had this experience both in business-related and sport-related clips (krav-maga).

[SIZE="1"]BTW, you are right. I don't buy the official 9/11 story either. I have no idea as to what the fu(k really happened, but I can tell the official version stinks. [/SIZE][/QUOTE]
You have an excessive amount of skepticism and mistrust about things you see then - you can be the politest person in the world, but I just can't take you serious when your mistrust of everything leads you to such illogical conclusions. I'm familiar with video editing myself - I went to school for it briefly (did not finish, just 1 year and 1 semesters worth), which is in part why I know programs like Adobe premiere and After Effects and make the mixes that I do - and I can tell you it is naye impossible to fake that sequence being that Wilt is DEAD. It would take some James Cameron type sh*t to fake that. That clip doesn't exist to make money - it's not a MJ Nike commercial - it's nothing but 25 seconds taken from a low-budget documentary. There is ZERO incentive to fake it. The only plausible scenario is that that sequence exists in entirety but is probably 1-2 minutes longer than the 25 seconds it needed to be hacked down to to fit within the time constraints and flow of the documentary - thus it has been *edited*.

[QUOTE][QUOTE]This is like the time you speed up the footage of Wilt to make him look more impressive,[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: True.

Also, what is the basis for "3 point range". Sure doesn't look like it to me.......

[QUOTE]This is like the time you speed up the footage of Wilt to make him look more impressive,[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: True.

Also, what is the basis for "3 point range". Sure doesn't look like it to me.......

[QUOTE]This is like the time you speed up the footage of Wilt to make him look more impressive,[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: True.

Also, what is the basis for "3 point range". Sure doesn't look like it to me.......[/QUOTE]


:coleman:

[QUOTE=CavaliersFTW]You have an unhealthy amount of skepticism and mistrust about things you see then - you can be the politest person in the world, but I just can't take you serious when your mistrust of everything leads you to such illogical conclusions. I'm familiar with video editing myself - I went to school for it briefly (did not finish, just 1 year and 1 semesters worth), which is in part why I know programs like Adobe premiere and After Effects and make the mixes that I do - and I can tell you it is naye impossible to fake that sequence being that Wilt is DEAD. It would take some James Cameron type sh*t to fake that. That clip doesn't exist to make money - it's not a MJ Nike commercial - it's nothing but 25 seconds taken from a low-budget documentary. There is ZERO incentive to fake it. The ONLY plausible scenario is that that sequence exists in entirety but is probably 1-2 minutes longer than the 25 seconds it needed to be hacked down to to fit within the time constraints of the documentary - thus it has been *edited*.[/QUOTE]

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