Durant is taking over like a superstar should.

[QUOTE=KG215]There absolutely is a debate. I'm not saying OKC is clearly better, but your insinuation that the Cavs sans-LeBron are easily, irrefutably, indisputably, worse than this Thunder team without Durant is hilarious. Either you're trolling or just incredibly stupid. There's really no other option.[/QUOTE]

AT BEST it's debatable. But we'll just agree to disagree but this is how I see it: How many of those Cavs players in 2009 would start over the current Thunder players on this squad? None of those bigs on the Cavs would start over Ibaka, Collison, or Perk...Hell, even Thabeet.

[QUOTE]Lol LeBron is one of the easiest superstars to adapt to because of his unselfishness and great passing skills. I'm not sure what you're talking about.
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Yes, but sometimes jack of all trades master of none "unselfish" types don't always get the job done. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade ... they did everything well, have great all around games. But they could still go flip a switch and be the absolute best player on the floor at a certain aspect of the game IE scoring.

Look at LeBron's 2010 and 2011 failures. He had a very limited offensive game. It was either transition dunk, or jacking a three off the dribble. In 2012, he improved footwork, post game, his aggressive mentality and added a pinch post reliable post game...and he finally started to develop a consistent mid range-ish scoring game. And BAM ... wins his first ring.

[QUOTE]
So Kyrie who joined the team couldn't take them out of the lottery in 2011-12. What does that mean then?
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I said when healthy they had a team ready made for a superstar, rookie Kyrie isn't a superstar and they weren't the same team anyway. This is a non-sequitur and a poor argument to boot.

[QUOTE=Solefade]AT BEST it's debatable. But we'll just agree to disagree but this is how I see it: How many of those Cavs players in 2009 would start over the current Thunder players on this squad? None of those bigs on the Cavs would start over Ibaka, Collison, or Perk...Hell, even Thabeet.[/QUOTE]
Big Z and Varejao either one absolutely would start over Perkins. Perkins is the worst starting center in the NBA. Hell, he might be the worst starter period in the NBA. And both are easily better than Thabeet. If you want to argue the Cavs teams were worse, fine, but at least try to make good arguments.

[QUOTE=chosen_wun]Basically just providing a strawman arguments ok. Whether Jamison was active or not, the team was still terrible with and without him. They were trash with Williams in the line-up, even if he stayed pass the dead line they would have continued to be trash. Shaq and Big Z are not impact players anymore at that point, Hickson and Varaejo were their best big men regardless. Like c'mon now...

Williams
Parker
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Jamison
Andy

would have been a bottom feeder even if they played all 82 games together.[/QUOTE]

None of this has nothing to do with the points I made.

[QUOTE=r15mohd]do you ever wonder why people discredit everything you say?

2008-2009 Magic
-Magic are the #1 defensive team

2008-2009 Dwight
-Defensive Player of the Year
-All-Defensive Team
-4th in MVP Voting
-1st in Off Reb
-1st in Def Reb
-1st in Blocks
-4th in FG %
-1st in BPG
-4th in PER


2012-2013 Grizzlies
-2nd Defensive Team

2012-2013 Gasol
-Def Player of the Year
-10th BPG


You keep reaching...just stop! We know Durant is going HAM, but everything has to be about Lebron for you...you need to come clean to your therpaist on this obsession of yours or you're gonna go looking for a bridge soon[/QUOTE]


:eek: dat ether god damn. ripthefag won't be back in this thread. :lol

[QUOTE=Ne 1]None of this has nothing to do with the points I made.[/QUOTE]
I'm just now seeing your post, I was replying to another one.

edit: I see you and the other dude are providing some of the same tired arguments.

I am not interested in being convinced how great that supporting cast was.

[QUOTE=tazb]:eek: dat ether god damn. ripthefag won't be back in this thread. :lol[/QUOTE]
:kobe:
this guy only comes in to cherry pick. what a faaaag.

Other than dwight howard, who doesn't guard lebron, that magic team is not a defensive team. Do you think it's comparative to this grizzly team? Please :oldlol:

that magic team is a joke. This grizzly team is serious business. They're a contender right now, and Durant is carrying a team to battle them.

[QUOTE=chosen_wun]I'm just now seeing your post, I was replying to another one.

edit: I see you and the other dude are providing some of the same tired arguments.

I am not interested in being convinced how great that supporting cast was.[/QUOTE]
I wasn't trying to argue how "great" or even "good" the supporting cast was. You said it was some sort of "inrefutable" evidence because the same team was the worst in the league last year. When, in fact, it wasn't close to the same team and they were injured and shuffling lineups the entire season.

You know, you haven't been around long, but you've quickly worked your way into the upper echelon of worst/most annoying LeBron stans. At this rate, you'll be giving pauk a serious run for his money within the next few months.

[QUOTE=Ne 1][B]Yes, but sometimes jack of all trades master of none "unselfish" types don't always get the job done. Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade ... they did everything well, have great all around games. But they could still go flip a switch and be the absolute best player on the floor at a certain aspect of the game IE scoring.

Look at LeBron's 2010 and 2011 failures. He had a very limited offensive game. It was either transition dunk, or jacking a three off the dribble. In 2012, he improved footwork, post game, his aggressive mentality and added a pinch post reliable post game...and he finally started to develop a consistent mid range-ish scoring game. And BAM ... wins his first ring.[/B]



I said when healthy they had a team ready made for a superstar, rookie Kyrie isn't a superstar and they weren't the same team anyway. This is a non-sequitur and a poor argument to boot.[/QUOTE]

Wait so are we talking about LeBron/MJ/Kobe or the role players for former Cavs/current Thunder? Going off a track a little buddy.

[QUOTE=KG215]Big Z and Varejao either one absolutely would start over Perkins. Perkins is the worst starting center in the NBA. Hell, he might be the worst starter period in the NBA. And both are easily better than Thabeet. If you want to argue the Cavs teams were worse, fine, but at least try to make good arguments.[/QUOTE]

That really depends on the situation because they're absolute shit post defenders. Perkins would have been extremely valuable to the Cavs team in 2009 to guard Dwight who Perkins guards historically well.

[QUOTE=chosen_wun]
I am not interested in being convinced how great that supporting cast was.[/QUOTE]

Now you're distorting what I said. Nobody is trying to convince you of anything, all I've done is state the truth, the roster didn't look great on paper, but they were always a top rebounding and top defensive under Mike Brown team and also a top 3 point shooting team in in '09 and '10.

[QUOTE=KG215]I wasn't trying to argue how "great" or even "good" the supporting cast was. You said it was some sort of "inrefutable" evidence because the same team was the worst in the league last year. When, in fact, it wasn't close to the same team and they were injured and shuffling lineups the entire season.

You know, you haven't been around long, but you've quickly worked your way into the upper echelon of worst/most annoying LeBron stans. At this rate, you'll be giving pauk a serious run for his money within the next few months.[/QUOTE]
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That means a lot to me, thank you:cheers:

(FYI i quickly learned that there is no use in being a rationale poster on this forum because it's basically 99% troll threads. So I took on the
[I] can't beat em, join em[/I] approach:dancin)

[QUOTE=ripthekik]:kobe:
that magic team is a joke. .[/QUOTE]


So minus 1 ring for Kobe then. Or just 0.5 ring? :roll:

[QUOTE=Ne 1]Yes, but sometimes jack of all trades master of none "unselfish" types don't always get the job done. [B]Guys like Jordan, Kobe, Bird, Wade ... they did everything well, have great all around games. But they could still go flip a switch and be the absolute best player on the floor at a certain aspect of the game IE scoring.[/B]

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Lines like this let me know right off the bat that Lebron haters:

A: Never watch Lebron play
B: Never watched the players that they compare to Lebron play
C: Completely missed Miami's playoff run last year as a way of "protest"

The only players that you listed who had the"switch" on any consistent level were Bird and MJ. Wade has has history of not being healthy enough to stay consistent, and Kobe was never consistent enough on offense during his playoff runs (let alone regular seasons), except maybe one or two, even with scoring being his "Main Trade", to be given the "score at will" rep.

TLDR version:

Both you and Rip are, and have always been, full of sh!t.

[QUOTE=LBJ 23]So minus 1 ring for Kobe then. Or just 0.5 ring? :roll:[/QUOTE]

Nice one. :applause:

[QUOTE=Solefade]That really depends on the situation because they're absolute shit post defenders. Perkins would have been extremely valuable to the Cavs team in 2009 to guard Dwight who Perkins guards historically well.[/QUOTE]
2009 Perkins, sure. 2013 Perkins...no. He's nowhere close to the same one-on-one post defender he was from 2008-2010. He's shitty at even that, now.

Leave it to LeTisk queers to turn this thread into a shitfest. So many alts and trolls....

The thread title is clear - Durant is taking over like a superstar should. Looking at the numbers and his performances(eye-test) - he's doing just that in the absence of Westbrook.

All of the queers here can f'ck off.

[QUOTE=PickernRoller]Leave it to LeTisk queers to turn this thread into a shitfest. So many alts and trolls....

The thread title is clear - Durant is taking over like a superstar should. Looking at the numbers and his performances(eye-test) - he's doing just that in the absence of Westbrook.

All of the queers here can f'ck off.[/QUOTE]

But that would mean you need to leave as well.

[QUOTE=Solefade]Pretty sure the 2009 Magic are better than the Grizzlies, they almost beat the most stacked team of the league that year in the finals.[/QUOTE]

4-1. All Kobe.

[IMG]http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_wQ_rSruShhk/SjXChqzS7mI/AAAAAAAAGLw/iMilPmkLdK8/s400/kobe.jpg[/IMG]

I would argue that Durant, on the basis of his first two games, has performed just as well as LeBron in the Orlando series (if not better). Now, that could change, and I expect it to change when they play in Memphis (unlikely that Durant averages 35-13-7 for the rest), but what he has done is absolutely spectacular, last 3 minutes of game 2 included.

When people bring up the relative supporting casts, you have to consider the length of time that Durant has had to adjust for Westbrook's absence. This is a team that has been thrown in this situation with their second best player gone and their fluidity disrupted. The '09 Cavs played the same way for years. They were defensively solid, which OKC are not. Yes, Ibaka is better than anyone on the Cavs team other than LeBron, but he has been shit this series and the rest of the team hasn't been great. Martin was solid in game one, but he has been wildly inconsistent since Westbrook went down. Perkins is just... well, you know.

Both coaches are absolutely awful. Brooks and Brown both implement no offensive sets and have relied on 'give the ball to Durant and hope he makes the right play'. Brown is a better defensive coach though.

On the whole, take nothing away from Durant. Yes, he didn't finish off game 2, but he dropped 36-11-9 for god sake. This is the best defensive team in the league he's playing and he is absolutely carrying this team. Durant is a special, special player. He truly is.

[QUOTE=K Xerxes]When people bring up the relative supporting casts, you have to consider the length of time that Durant has had to adjust for Westbrook's absence. This is a team that has been thrown in this situation with their second best player gone and their fluidity disrupted. The '09 Cavs played the same way for years. They were defensively solid, which OKC are not. Yes, Ibaka is better than anyone on the Cavs team other than LeBron, but he has been shit this series and the rest of the team hasn't been great. Martin was solid in game one, but he has been wildly inconsistent since Westbrook went down. Perkins is just... well, you know. [/QUOTE]
Thank you. This is something all the LeBron stans are completely ignoring or just totally unaware of. Just two weeks ago they were thrown a huge curveball by losing their second best player, who's an All-NBA caliber player and top 3 PG. If this had happened back in March or early April, and they had more time to adjust and get used to playing without him, fine; but they've had 2 weeks and 6 games to adjust, on the fly, in the playoffs...and now they're playing the best or second best defensive team in the NBA.

LeBron's supporting casts were far from impressive. But they had multiple entire 82-game seasons to at least acclimate and get used to playing with each other as constructed.

[QUOTE=PickernRoller]Leave it to LeTisk queers to turn this thread into a shitfest. So many alts and trolls....

The thread title is clear - Durant is taking over like a superstar should. Looking at the numbers and his performances(eye-test) - he's doing just that in the absence of Westbrook.

All of the queers here can f'ck off.[/QUOTE]
:applause:
yeap. Duno why they so salty.