Garnett+Pierce+Kirilenko

[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Doubt it. Indy came the closest a got better.
Miami blew us out each time.
We thought we had a chance because our biggest strengths at PG and C were their biggest weakness and it got us nowhere. Those are still our biggest strengths but Bosh, Andersen and Oden can handle Lopez.[/QUOTE]

When we played the Heat last season, Deron was still injured and we still had scrubby forwards. I think people are underestimate the impact that Peirce and Garnett will have on this team just by STANDING ON THE COURT. Last years forwards were so awful that this team will look completely different compared to last season. Plus we'll have real coaches that know what the word pass means and know how to design a championship caliber defense in Lawrence Frank. I'm telling you man, the only way you'll be able to tell that we're watching the Nets is the jersey.

[QUOTE=The JKidd Kid]When we played the Heat last season, Deron was still injured and we still had scrubby forwards. I think people are underestimate the impact that Peirce and Garnett will have on this team just by STANDING ON THE COURT. Last years forwards were so awful that this team will look completely different compared to last season. Plus we'll have real coaches that know what the word pass means and know how to design a championship caliber defense in Lawrence Frank. I'm telling you man, the only way you'll be able to tell that we're watching the Nets is the jersey.[/QUOTE]
Deron was healthy for the last game and played much better under PJ and we still got blown out by 20.
I don't doubt we have a much improved team but taking out one of the best teams of all time with one of the best players of all time is not going to be easy.

[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Deron was healthy for the last game and played much better under PJ and we still got blown out by 20.
I don't doubt we have a much improved team but taking out one of the best teams of all time with one of the best players of all time is not going to be easy.[/QUOTE]

I know it won't be easy, but we have all the pieces needed to beat them, all we have to do is put them together, which I believe(hope) Kidd will be able to do.

I can't see how people say honestly Nets beat Heat. Maybe things change two levels beyond what we know and then you can say it at that time but right now it makes no sense to me. Those games, the Nets were leading in some of them and Lebron just basically decided he was bored and now it ended, and the Heat would roll from that point.

As for age on the Celtics, i don't think games missed is any indicator. I think how they looked vs. the Knicks is. Terry/Pierce were done. Garnett was playing well but on fumes. Garnett is the one i think they can pace so he's ok but the other two are just really old in their movement. So slow. Kidd vs. Garnett in minutes will be fun to watch and a good issue IMO because it will force Kidd to take control and not let KG do what he wants.

Even if Pierce and Garnett are very slow and just the shadows of what they once were, they are replacing Gerald Wallace and Reggie Evans in the starting lineup of a 49 win team. That team had three huge weaknesses: Leadership, Defense and on the offensive end: Floor spacing.

Pierce and Garnett, however old and slow they are, they certainly bring heart, passion and leadership.
The addition of Garnett in itself is already huge defensively, but Pierce is a good defender too, and they also added AK47.
As for floor spacing check these shooting stats:
Wallace:
At the rim: 0.547% (122/223)
3-10 ft: 0.393% (22/56)
10-16 ft: 0.00% (0/6)
16ft-3pt: 0.250% (12/48)
3pt+: 0.297% (57/192)
Pierce:
At the rim: 0.591% (163/276)
3-10 ft: 0.305% (29/95)
10-16 ft: 0.451% (87/193)
16ft-3pt: 0.379 (80/211)
3pt+: 0.369 (156/423)
Evans:
At the rim: 0.543% (108/199)
3-10 ft: 0.353% (24/68)
10-16 ft: 0.222% (2/9)
16ft-3pt: 0.250% (2/8)
3pt+: -
Garnett:
At the rim: 0.724% (113/156)
3-10 ft: 0.412% (77/187)
10-16 ft: 0.482% (93/193)
16ft-3pt: 0.469% (167/356)
3pt+: 0.111 (2/18)

[QUOTE=fefe]Even if Pierce and Garnett are very slow and just the shadows of what they once were, they are replacing Gerald Wallace and Reggie Evans in the starting lineup of a 49 win team. That team had three huge weaknesses: Leadership, Defense and on the offensive end: Floor spacing.

Pierce and Garnett, however old and slow they are, they certainly bring heart, passion and leadership.
The addition of Garnett in itself is already huge defensively, but Pierce is a good defender too, and they also added AK47.
As for floor spacing check these shot charts.
Wallace -> Pierce
[IMG]http://www.basketball-reference.com/images/nbahalfcourt.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.basketball-reference.com/images/nbahalfcourt.jpg[/IMG]

Evans -> Garnett
[IMG]http://www.basketball-reference.com/images/nbahalfcourt.jpg[/IMG][IMG]http://www.basketball-reference.com/images/nbahalfcourt.jpg[/IMG][/QUOTE]
Those charts are enlightening.

I wish people would stop saying the Nets got better. NO SHIT. Really? You have to be the worst basher/hater to think the Nets didn't get siginficantly better. I don't think they'll win a title because i don't think enough guys will have enough left to win 4 rounds. My opinion. But countering that with how much the Nets got better, of course they got better. Only douches like Wild09/FreshKid/MissBella would tell you otherwise (depending which team they are trolling).

Title is the point, not better.

It's a fun discussion to have though as a Net fan no? If you are a title winner or not?

[QUOTE=niko]Those charts are enlightening.[/QUOTE]
Thanks for quoting, I would have never realized myself that it didn't work :P.

[QUOTE=fefe]Thanks for quoting, I would have never realized myself that it didn't work :P.[/QUOTE]
I think your chart represents the ideal shot distribution for Wallace and Evans.

Sorry you have to putup with that slut bella, niko :(

[QUOTE=niko]I wish people would stop saying the Nets got better. NO SHIT. Really? You have to be the worst basher/hater to think the Nets didn't get siginficantly better. I don't think they'll win a title because i don't think enough guys will have enough left to win 4 rounds. My opinion. But countering that with how much the Nets got better, of course they got better. Only douches like Wild09/FreshKid/MissBella would tell you otherwise (depending which team they are trolling).

Title is the point, not better.

It's a fun discussion to have though as a Net fan no? If you are a title winner or not?[/QUOTE]

Of course the Heat are a very strong team. A super team. Once in a generation team. Lebron is a unique talent and he has Bosh and Wade who were superstars on their own teams before they united, and all three are still in their prime years.

Beating them will be very hard for any team, and it probably requires some luck (like injury to one of the Heat's big three, preferably James) to advance against them.

Still, the Nets have as good of a chance as any other team.
When a 49 win team adds Garnett, Pierce and Kirilenko, without losing any important pieces, they become title contenders.
The Nets have just as good of a chance to beat Miami as the Thunder, the Spurs, the Clippers, the Bulls or the Pacers.
Therefore you have to call them title contenders.
Will they win the title? Probably not. but maybe yes...

[QUOTE=CarlosBoozer]Sorry you have to putup with that slut bella, niko :([/QUOTE]
I think it's a dude and i don't have to put up with anyone. :D It's a message board. I just hope the Knicks and Nets fans don't call each other names due to topics started by obvious trolls all year.

Thanks though...

[QUOTE=niko]I think your chart represents the ideal shot distribution for Wallace and Evans.[/QUOTE]
Now this is where we agree 100% :)

[QUOTE=niko]I can't see how people say honestly Nets beat Heat. Maybe things change two levels beyond what we know and then you can say it at that time but right now it makes no sense to me. Those games, the Nets were leading in some of them and Lebron just basically decided he was bored and now it ended, and the Heat would roll from that point.

As for age on the Celtics, i don't think games missed is any indicator. I think how they looked vs. the Knicks is. Terry/Pierce were done. Garnett was playing well but on fumes. Garnett is the one i think they can pace so he's ok but the other two are just really old in their movement. So slow. Kidd vs. Garnett in minutes will be fun to watch and a good issue IMO because it will force Kidd to take control and not let KG do what he wants.[/QUOTE]
PP looked awful in the playoff but excellent in the RS

One of 3 players to pu up 18/6/4 (LBJ, Durant)
19/6/6 on 49/43 post ASG.

What happened in the playoffs?

He was exhausted from playing point forward the entire time Rondo was out, and Terry is not a PG either.

Shumpert was also pretty fresh and played excellent D.

Nets will be dangerous and their older players won't be using a lot of petrol in the reg season because they are stacked top to bottom.

Garnett and Pierce are getting old but if they are played sparingly during the reg season, they are good enough to turn it on in the playoffs with plenty of rest.

They have so many weapons and every player in the starting lineup can score. They have two very good defenders and a decent rim protector in Lopez.

As a Bulls fan, I'd rather face a weary Heat team from 4 consecutive playoff runs than that Nets team.

[QUOTE=niko]I think it's a dude and i don't have to put up with anyone. :D It's a message board. I just hope the Knicks and Nets fans don't call each other names due to topics started by obvious trolls all year.

Thanks though...[/QUOTE]
Well he's one persistent bastard, been going to bte and asking stupid sh*t. Gonna be hard with how many trolls the knicks and nets fan have :oldlol:

No problemas :cheers:

[QUOTE=CarlosBoozer]Well he's one persistent bastard, been going to bte and asking stupid sh*t. Gonna be hard with how many trolls the knicks and nets fan have :oldlol:

No problemas :cheers:[/QUOTE]

According to the BTE you are also Jerrywest. That douche that always talks shit.

I'm not gone lie... Joe johnson and Paul Pierce are gunna be a problem for opposing teams in clutch situations. those two are stone cold killers in the clutch.

[QUOTE=Meticode]A lot of hate for the Nets calling them old. I'm not for or against them, but I am interested in seeing how they perform.[/QUOTE]

I think KG will be solid and Pierce will crumble in the new system

[QUOTE=Funnyfuka]non stop dick sucking since the trade, you need a hobby my friend.[/QUOTE]

you're a pretty unfunnyfuka

[QUOTE=poido123]Nets will be dangerous and their older players won't be using a lot of petrol in the reg season because they are stacked top to bottom.

Garnett and Pierce are getting old but if they are played sparingly during the reg season, they are good enough to turn it on in the playoffs with plenty of rest.

They have so many weapons and every player in the starting lineup can score. They have two very good defenders and a decent rim protector in Lopez.

As a Bulls fan, I'd rather face a weary Heat team from 4 consecutive playoff runs than that Nets team.[/QUOTE]
Dang you are thinking like Popovich right here - rest them bad boys with old legs through the regular season and then BAM!! it's playoff time and they're ripping nets with a big ol grin

[QUOTE=kNicKz]I think KG will be solid and Pierce will crumble in the new system[/QUOTE]
Im curious to see how that plays out too. Could go either way with that great player Paul Pierce.

He's soooo freakin smooth but dangerous as a rattler

Man tha netz aint guna do a damn thing, and Niko need to shut hell up and stop lyin, before I smack tha fire out that niguh:mad:

Frankly, I'm loving what the Nets are doing. Even after KG and Pierce retire, u can STILL BUILD AROUND D-Will and Lopez. JJ is 32 and that's not really old in the L so he will likely be around too. People talk shit about Pierce and KG being old. But Pierce is still a top 5-6 SF in the L. KG for my money is still a top 10 PF in the L. And they don't have to come into the Nets and be the guy. KG will likely even be the fifth option on the Nets. As opposed to being the 2nd option on Boston.

And don't forget that D-Will when he's healthy along with CP3 combines the premium PG facets AND great scoring better than anybody else in the L. Skill for skill at PG, D-Will is arguably the best PG in the L. He has some size on CP3 that makes a difference (not saying he's better but he's more versatile) and he's more of a true PG than Rose and Westbrook. So guys like KG, Pierce, and AK 47 can fill in and DON'T have to be the best player on the team. I feel ultimately it's D-Will's team!

[QUOTE=IncarceratedBob]The question is will the NBA let the Nets use wheelchairs ON the court or only on the bench/locker room?[/QUOTE]
:roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:

[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]PP looked awful in the playoff but excellent in the RS

One of 3 players to pu up 18/6/4 (LBJ, Durant)
19/6/6 on 49/43 post ASG.

What happened in the playoffs?

He was exhausted from playing point forward the entire time Rondo was out, and Terry is not a PG either.

Shumpert was also pretty fresh and played excellent D.[/QUOTE]
Seriously VC3?
A negative rep for giving Shumpert some credit?

What Nets fan negative reps another Nets fan?
Knick fans don't even do that.

Don't be a troll.

you dont build a contender team with old players on the decline. Tried many times, lakers could tell you a lot about it, never worked. You need 2 or 3 young powerful players and maybe add some experimented veterans surrounding them to win a chip. But without a serious core, you can forget it.

[QUOTE=Funnyfuka]you dont build a contender team with old players on the decline. Tried many times, lakers could tell you a lot about it, never worked. You need 2 or 3 young powerful players and maybe add some experimented veterans surrounding them to win a chip. But without a serious core, you can forget it.[/QUOTE]
Thankfully they are built around Lopez who is 25 and D.Williams.

Also this item has little to do with last years Lakers.
Its a lazy and regurgitated comparison generically used.

They are closer to the '03 Lakers with Payton and Malone who had an excellent RS and made the Finals.

[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Thankfully they are built around Lopez who is 25 and D.Williams.

Also this item has little to do with last years Lakers.
Its a lazy and regurgitated comparison generically used.

They are closer to the '03 Lakers with Payton and Malone who had an excellent RS and made the Finals.[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I do see some resemblance of those Lakers and this current Nets squad. The major difference is that Shaq and Bryant were feuding the whole year and Jackson just trumps Kidd as a coach, regardless of Kidd even had experience or not.

[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Seriously VC3?
A negative rep for giving Shumpert some credit?

What Nets fan negative reps another Nets fan?
Knick fans don't even do that.

Don't be a troll.[/QUOTE]
What? I don't use the rep system. I would NEVER negative rep a nets fan

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]What? I don't use the rep system. I would NEVER negative rep a nets fan[/QUOTE]

Yeah, I think stuff like that just happens from other posters. I got a neg rep from you too one time when you and you and I were just talking about the Nets and Vince Carter.

[QUOTE=ChuckOakley]Seriously VC3?
A negative rep for giving Shumpert some credit?

What Nets fan negative reps another Nets fan?
Knick fans don't even do that.

Don't be a troll.[/QUOTE]
I've got negative rep from you several times when we were discussing something. One of them was red. :D Everyone uses everyone else's names for some reason.

[QUOTE=niko]I've got negative rep from you several times when we were discussing something. One of them was red. :D Everyone uses everyone else's names for some reason.[/QUOTE]
That's lame.

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]What? I don't use the rep system. I would NEVER negative rep a nets fan[/QUOTE]
My bad.
I bet it was Fresh Kid.

[QUOTE=Fresh Kid]Man tha netz aint guna do a damn thing, and Niko need to shut hell up and stop lyin, before I smack tha fire out that niguh:mad:[/QUOTE]

Will you be attacking me alone or will all your alt's gang up on me? I imagine it will be like the Walking Dead with all of them coming after me. :lol

[QUOTE=Legends66NBA7]Yeah, I think stuff like that just happens from other posters. I got a neg rep from you too one time when you and you and I were just talking about the Nets and Vince Carter.[/QUOTE]
Lol, I had no idea of these things even happening. It's actually amusing.:lol

[QUOTE=niko]I've got negative rep from you several times when we were discussing something. One of them was red. :D Everyone uses everyone else's names for some reason.[/QUOTE]
I didn't know that the rep game is so serious. Who would use my name? Probably that guy who changed my post about my sister. Forgetting his name atm. Definitely him.

[QUOTE=It's A VC3!!!]I didn't know that the rep game is so serious. Who would use my name? Probably that guy who changed my post about my sister. Forgetting his name atm. Definitely him.[/QUOTE]
The trolls do. FreshKid, etc. All the morons who argue back and forth. The way the rep works, if you are in the red, something is wrong because it takes so much more red to offset green its not even funny.

[QUOTE=niko]The trolls do. FreshKid, etc. All the morons who argue back and forth. The way the rep works, if you are in the red, something is wrong because it takes so much more red to offset green its not even funny.[/QUOTE]
hey now, u and fake chuck Oakley need to stop accusing me of negging people:no: but why me tho? i really don't understand:lol

[QUOTE=Funnyfuka]you dont build a contender team with old players on the decline. Tried many times, lakers could tell you a lot about it, never worked. You need 2 or 3 young powerful players and maybe add some experimented veterans surrounding them to win a chip. But without a serious core, you can forget it.[/QUOTE]

Deron and Brook Lopez are young. They have experience and young guys.