Patrick Beverley is NOT a good defender

[QUOTE=ABfor3]I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.[/QUOTE]

I hate to break it to you, but the only basketball skill Harden has is having NBA refs in his back pocket.

[QUOTE=DMAVS41]take a look at defensive rapm if you are going the stats route...that certainly is a better metric than individual defensive rating.

Beverly has a plus 2.5 defensive rapm. Which is better than just about any other pg in the league. [B]Better than Paul, better than Conley, better than George Hill, better than Westbrook, better than Wall, better than Chalmers[/B]...[/QUOTE]

I'm not seeing your point here.............the OP was saying that Beverley isn't a good defender. To dispute that you said he was a better defender than a bunch of guys that are bad defenders............

So what exactly is your point?

Beverley isn't a good defender at all. Anyone with serious basketball knowledge can see that. I would put him as slightly above average, only due to his energy, hustle and effort.....[B]that's from NBA POV only[/B], where no one cares or plays any defense, especially at point guard position, so it exaggerates any kind of hustle or energy play.
[B]
If you take that away, and just consider that no one defends anyone in NBA really, especially at point guard, and stop being enamored with someone giving effort there, and just look at the actual defense being played, he's not fundamentally doing a damn thing at all on defense.[/B]

He certainly isn't "good".

So again, it's just the anomaly of NBA fans not grasping that they can't differentiate from realizing that no one plays defense in NBA, especially at point guard, so they get enamored from seeing someone try to do so at point guard...........even if the defense isn't even good.

its pretty uncool to put your foot under a dude when he's shooting a jumper hoping that he'll land on your foot and get injured, esp when youre in the nba and that is a guys livelihood

bev is a silly thug, if he couldnt put a ball in a hoop he would be slinging crack.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]A lot of people saying Beverley is a dirty player.

Show me. I want evidence. I'll wait.[/QUOTE]

PUT DOWN THE PIPE

[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]I don't think Beverley tries to actually hurt anyone and he definitely wasn't trying to hurt Westbrook the other night.

But he WAS trying to get in his head and that timeout play WAS on purpose.

I just don't like players like that. I mean, it's one thing if you're Rodman or Artest and you're producing buckets and/or rebounds, but when you're a thug and your statline ends up being 2pts, 3 rbs, 0 assts...just shut the **** up and play the game. I'm not saying that's Beverley, but if keeps up the shit he pulled against OKC, he WILL become that kind of player.[/QUOTE]

:oldlol: I absolutely loved how he went at Westbrook after the timeout was called. It was low-class for sure, but Beverley doesn't give a shit about being classy. F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck class. Class is overrated. Most of the all time greats weren't classy on the court anyway, they were assholes.

I don't agree with your logic. What does PatBev's stats have to do with anything? :oldlol: @ this idea of having a correlation between sportsmanship and stats. Anyway, IIRC, PatBev tried to give Westbrook daps last year and Westbrook got mad and slapped his hand away.

He made it clear he doesn't want to be friends or "cool" with Beverley. Why would Beverley go to Westbrook and apologize to him after that? What Beverley did was low, and I loved it. I hope he does it again next time they meet.

Again, somebody show me video evidence of Beverley being dirty. I'm waiting.

[QUOTE=IncarceratedBob]its pretty uncool to put your foot under a dude when he's shooting a jumper hoping that he'll land on your foot and get injured, esp when youre in the nba and that is a guys livelihood

bev is a silly thug, if he couldnt put a ball in a hoop he would be slinging crack.[/QUOTE]
i go with smoking it. he already looks like a crackhead.
thats why i call him lil cracky

[QUOTE=Rocketswin2013]Bitch quote.[/QUOTE]

True quote.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]:oldlol: I absolutely loved how he went at Westbrook after the timeout was called. It was low-class for sure, but Beverley doesn't give a shit about being classy. F[COLOR="Black"]u[/COLOR]ck class. Class is overrated. Most of the all time greats weren't classy on the court anyway, they were assholes.

I don't agree with your logic. What does PatBev's stats have to do with anything? :oldlol: @ this idea of having a correlation between sportsmanship and stats. Anyway, IIRC, PatBev tried to give Westbrook daps last year and Westbrook got mad and slapped his hand away.

He made it clear he doesn't want to be friends or "cool" with Beverley. Why would Beverley go to Westbrook and apologize to him after that? What Beverley did was low, and I loved it. I hope he does it again next time they meet.

Again, somebody show me video evidence of Beverley being dirty. I'm waiting.[/QUOTE]

Typical clutchfans psychopath right here...................

Jeremy Lin sucks butt and Beverley is better than him. Get over it.

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Typical clutchfans psychopath right here...................[/QUOTE]

Cool. Now show me video evidence of Beverley being a dirty player.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed]Cool. Now show me video evidence of Beverley being a dirty player.[/QUOTE]

Show me video evidence of you not being a psychopath.

[QUOTE=Bandito]Jeremy Lin sucks butt and Beverley is better than him. Get over it.[/QUOTE]


:lol nope

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Show me video evidence of you not being a psychopath.[/QUOTE]
:oldlol: :oldlol: :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Euroleague]Show me video evidence of you not being a psychopath.[/QUOTE]

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[QUOTE=oarabbus]:lol nope[/QUOTE]

Yes :lol

[QUOTE=YouGotServed][


Yes :lol[/QUOTE]


Lin scores more points, gets more assists, gets more blocks, has better defense, has higher fg%, higher ft%.

Next.

[QUOTE=oarabbus]Lin scores more points, gets more assists, gets more blocks, has better defense, has higher fg%, higher ft%.

Next.[/QUOTE]
give him a break.
his a mental midget from the most retarded site ever called Clutchfans

[QUOTE=oarabbus]Lin scores more points, gets more assists, gets more blocks, has better defense, has higher fg%, higher ft%.

Next.[/QUOTE]

[URL="http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/jeremy-lin-is-no-longer-in-the-rockets-starting-lineup/"]Cool stats.[/URL]

Next.

[QUOTE=YouGotServed][URL="http://www.sportsgrid.com/nba/jeremy-lin-is-no-longer-in-the-rockets-starting-lineup/"]McHale is a phagg0t and took it in the ass from Thibs[/URL]

Next.[/QUOTE]


tl;dr

Article title is all that's necessary anyway

Houston's starting point guard: [B]Patrick Beverley[/B]

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Beverley is garbage can't even average 10ppg :roll:

But can he start, doe?

Is Beverley the worst starting PG in the league? At BEST he's bottom 5.

I agree. Is amazing what Harden has been able to do with his team regardless of the talent around him.

[QUOTE=Milbuck]Is Beverley the worst starting PG in the league? At BEST he's bottom 5.[/QUOTE]

What kind of starting PG can't average double digit scoring :roll:

I think it's only Beverley and Rubio. But Rubio is 100000x the playmaker that Beverley is, while being a better defender :lol

I'm really proud of Harden. Jealous too. Making the all-star team, and gonna have a nice solid run in the playoffs. AND he'll be nice and cozy at home in his couch watching the conference finals and finals. Can't ask for a sweeter deal than that.

[QUOTE=Milbuck]I'm really proud of Harden. Jealous too. Making the all-star team, and gonna have a nice solid run in the playoffs. AND he'll be nice and cozy at home in his couch watching the conference finals and finals. Can't ask for a sweeter deal than that.[/QUOTE]
I genuinely want to know how a Bucks fan even holds emotional ties to James Harden. Like you do know you look like his angry jealous ex-bitch right?

nice guys.
thanks for a nice discussion.
nice to see that outside of rockets trolls we all agree that Beverley is basically garbage

Best record in the league since January. "First round exit", doe.

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[QUOTE=Milbuck]I'm really proud of Harden. Jealous too. Making the all-star team, and gonna have a nice solid run in the playoffs. AND he'll be nice and cozy at home in his couch watching the conference finals and finals. Can't ask for a sweeter deal than that.[/QUOTE]
Q: What is the difference between a Bucks fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile.


Q: What do the Milwaukee Bucks and possums have in common?
A: Both play dead at home and get killed on the road!

[QUOTE=Smook A.]Q: What is the difference between a Bucks fan and a baby?
A: The baby will stop whining after awhile.


Q: What do the Milwaukee Bucks and possums have in common?
A: Both play dead at home and get killed on the road![/QUOTE]
[url]http://m.voices.yahoo.com/nba-finals-jokes-mavericks-fans-yahoo-news-metro-8565411.html[/url]

:roll: :roll: You literally copied and pasted those jokes, and changed it from Heat to Bucks.

I thought you were better than that Shmoosicle :oldlol:

[QUOTE=Milbuck][url]http://m.voices.yahoo.com/nba-finals-jokes-mavericks-fans-yahoo-news-metro-8565411.html[/url]

:roll: :roll: You literally copied and pasted those jokes, and changed it from Heat to Bucks.

I thought you were better than that Shmoosicle :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Actually I didn't change shit :lol :roll:

[URL="http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/nbajokes/milwaukeebucksjokes.html"]http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/nbajokes/milwaukeebucksjokes.html[/URL]

A whole website

Guys, chill. We're talking about how much Harden sucks despite being 5th in the MVP rankings.

[QUOTE=Smook A.]Actually I didn't change shit :roll :lol

[URL="http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/nbajokes/milwaukeebucksjokes.html"]http://www.jokes4us.com/sportsjokes/nbajokes/milwaukeebucksjokes.html[/URL]

A whole website[/QUOTE]
:applause: Shit man, you got me. Here I am thinking you stole jokes from a Heat joke article when really, you stole them from a Bucks joke page.:oldlol:

[QUOTE=Milbuck]:applause: Shit man, you got me. Here I am thinking you stole jokes from a Heat joke article when really, you stole them from a Bucks joke page.:oldlol:[/QUOTE]


Well now we know that the Yahoo writer stole those jokes from the Bucks joke page :lol

[QUOTE=oarabbus]Well now we know that the Yahoo writer stole those jokes from the Bucks joke page :lol[/QUOTE]
Even when they're getting ripped on, my Bucks are influential as ****. Got writers plagiarizing that shit left and right.

That, and Yahoo writers suck ass.

But, guys. Harden.

We've already talked about Harden, it's enough for now. Role players don't deserve that much attention.

The irony of posting that in a Patrick "bottom 5 point guard" Beverley thread with almost 120 replies.

:oldlol:

Its unfortunate, Houston will NEVER win a championship with Dwight :(

[QUOTE=Milbuck]We've already talked about Harden, it's enough for now. Role players don't deserve that much attention.[/QUOTE]
Role players don't get to #5 on the MVP ladder