Patrick Beverley is NOT a good defender

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield][B]Lin takes more then 11 shots when were crushing teams by 30 which happens more and more frequently. [/B]

Look I'm not saying Bev is better, im saying hes better for THIS team.[B] Lin needs to go to Milwaukee[/B].[/QUOTE]
showing your retardation and CLEAR bias against Lin while ignoring the stats i posted who were consistent through the whole season.
only stat that got better was bevs win ratio when he plays more than 30 minutes during that last winning streak of the Rockets which was somewhat overrated if you consider everyone they beat was in a losing streak.
those stats i posted are a solid PROOF that he HAS TO start.
dont make me post his way better defensive rating than beverleys too:roll: :roll:
stay mad doe[/QUOTE]
Lin's 108 DRtg vs Bev's 107?

Way better. Steals? Steals per 48? Steal/TO ratio? TO per 48?

You like stats. Post those too.

[QUOTE=ABfor3]I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.[/QUOTE]come on lin and Harden should start and BOTH do PnR with Howard no silly post ups. both are GREAt PnR guys.
Harden looks to score off it while Lin gets EVERYONE involved especially the big fella.
both Lin and Harden can spot up and play off the ball as well, harden is just not willing too even tho hes GREAT at spot up threes( would say his bigest strenght even).
Parsons shouldnt handle the ball, like at all. he should start playing defense again, rebound and play off the ball and cut and slash. hes insanely good at that and nearly unguardable while he SUCKS at playmaking.
then Dmo should start and space the floor as well as occasional post ups.
Houston would freaking dominate like that. they would have no weakness and would be unguardable.
you can still start beverley for D-Mo in some match ups.
Houstons offense is soo predicable with beverley out there and Harden and Parsons playmaking.
watch them get exposed in the playoffs.

[QUOTE=UK2K]showing your retardation and CLEAR bias against Lin while ignoring the stats i posted who were consistent through the whole season.
only stat that got better was bevs win ratio when he plays more than 30 minutes during that last winning streak of the Rockets which was somewhat overrated if you consider everyone they beat was in a losing streak.
those stats i posted are a solid PROOF that he HAS TO start.
dont make me post his way better defensive rating than beverleys too:roll: :roll:
stay mad doe[/QUOTE]
Lin's 108 DRtg vs Bev's 107?

Way better. Steals? Steals per 48? Steal/TO ratio? TO per 48?

You like stats. Post those too.[/QUOTE]
LOL at bringing up TO. everyone on Houston is allowed to turn it over but lin?? Beverley doesnt have many TO because he doesnt playmake.
Howard and Harden both have way higher TO than Lin. Parsons is close to as a SF.
Beverley gets more steals but not much more and Harden is one of the top guys in steals. i wouldnt call him a good defender:roll: :roll:
Lin is just better in everything than beverley. simple as that:coleman:

[QUOTE=ABfor3]I'm from Houston, and I love the Rockets to death but Mario Stanfield I'm not sure if your a rockets fan or just a really really big Jeremy Lin fan ..? Either way, you push out the same agenda in every thread I've seen you post in..I understand your frustration with McHale and Lins playing time but it's getting old already.

Anyways, on topic Beverley is a good defender, I got comcast and I've seen almost every rockets game for the past 5 years or so? He does tend to gamble but that's what makes you great is when you take risks. He's had multiple game changing defensive plays, which is why McHale loves him. McHale was a great defender in his day(multiple all defensive selections) , and he has Lin coming off the bench because he's better suited for it, he is basically Harden just not as good. You can't have 2 players like that on the starting lineup so you keep the better one in and have the other one play the role off the bench. Both great off the PnR, Lin a better defender, harden a better scorer, it works especially because of Lins chemistry with Asik and Cisco already off the bench.[/QUOTE]

Beverley is a good defender, but that's not why he starts over Lin. Beverley is not that much better (I think they are on par, defensively) than Lin on the defensive end to offset his lack of offensive production.

I still think McHale doesn't start Lin because of personal reasons (he DID cut him, after all) or because he doesn't like Lin's style of play (high risk/reward).

The whole thing about Lin leading the second unit is completely false. With all the minutes Harden gets, it's rare that Lin is out there when Harden isn't.

Last night, against the Bulls, the best unit was Lin/Garcia/DMo (and Casspi thrown in as well) and McHale only played that unit for a little bit in the 2nd. That was when they cut into the lead. McHale went back to the same crappy starting lineup to start the 2nd half and he left them in, pretty much the rest of the game until he threw in the towel with 8 minutes left in the 4th.

McHale is still a crappy coach and Houston's record is in SPITE of that.

[QUOTE=Marlo_Stanfield]Lin's 108 DRtg vs Bev's 107?

Way better. Steals? Steals per 48? Steal/TO ratio? TO per 48?

You like stats. Post those too.[/QUOTE]
LOL at bringing up TO. everyone on Houston is allowed to turn it over but lin?? Beverley doesnt have many TO because he doesnt playmake.
Howard and Harden both have way higher TO than Lin. Parsons is close to as a SF.
Beverley gets more steals but not much more and Harden is one of the top guys in steals. i wouldnt call him a good defender:roll: :roll:
Lin is just better in everything than beverley. simple as that:coleman:[/QUOTE]

take a look at defensive rapm if you are going the stats route...that certainly is a better metric than individual defensive rating.

Beverly has a plus 2.5 defensive rapm. Which is better than just about any other pg in the league. Better than Paul, better than Conley, better than George Hill, better than Westbrook, better than Wall, better than Chalmers...

[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]That WAS a punk move, and I lost some respect for Beverley because of it.

Look...I know he wasn't TRYING to hurt Westbrook on that play...he kinda just grabbed him. But he was trying to say, "Hey...remember when I injured your knee?" as to remind him...and that is pretty damn low.

If it was me, I'd have walked up to Westbrook before the game and apologized, offered a hand, whatever. Not to be a *****, but c'mon...you TOOK AWAY the guy's playoffs and hope for a ring. That's some HUGE shit...show a little respect, you know? These guys are all playing the same game...the game they love.

But, I'm also not scraping by, hoping I don't get cut and trying to find a way to belong in the league.[/QUOTE]
Agree with this post and most of what you posted in this thread. It was bad sportsmanship to do what he did that game considering that he injured Westbrook in the first place, not the the other way around. Gotta respect your opponent...

Overall, Beverley is a good role player to have on your team, good teammate, always gives his best effort. His defense is pretty good, but maybe a little overrated because he seems so active. He needs to play a bit more cerebral on defense as he still fouls too much.
Bev disrupts opponents offense though for sure and his hustle boosts his teammates. He's a very active defender compared to Lin, but for some matchups Lin does better with his size advantage. Lin is an underrated defender, he contests shots pretty damn well, even if he doesn't look as active as Beverley.

[url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1992331-is-patrick-beverley-the-houston-rockets-x-factor[/url]

Self explanatory.

watch ncaa big ten games to see good defense. pbev is bottom of the barrel

See Patrick Bev's journey from the NBA to the EL, then back to the NBA, and then to the Eurocup where he finally excelled, and then back to the NBA again.

[url]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patrick_Beverley-[/url]

Bev is capable of injuring any star on the opposing team from 1 to 5

[QUOTE=KungFuJoe]Beverley is a good defender, but that's not why he starts over Lin. Beverley is not that much better (I think they are on par, defensively) than Lin on the defensive end to offset his lack of offensive production.

I still think McHale doesn't start Lin because of personal reasons (he DID cut him, after all) or because he doesn't like Lin's style of play (high risk/reward).

The whole thing about Lin leading the second unit is completely false. With all the minutes Harden gets, it's rare that Lin is out there when Harden isn't.

Last night, against the Bulls, the best unit was Lin/Garcia/DMo (and Casspi thrown in as well) and McHale only played that unit for a little bit in the 2nd. That was when they cut into the lead. McHale went back to the same crappy starting lineup to start the 2nd half and he left them in, pretty much the rest of the game until he threw in the towel with 8 minutes left in the 4th.

McHale is still a crappy coach and Houston's record is in SPITE of that.[/QUOTE]
Personal reasons? You know if Lin had personal problems with McHale he wouldn't have came back to Houston especially after all the success he's had in NY. Lin got cut because he wasn't better than Dragic and Lowry.

[QUOTE=Dr.J4ever][url]http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1992331-is-patrick-beverley-the-houston-rockets-x-factor[/url]

Self explanatory.[/QUOTE]
Great article.

One thing it Pointe out was Bev has been shooting 40% from deep in the past two months. Thats huge, because the Rockets like shooters as oh shit valves.

[QUOTE=STATUTORY]Bev is capable of injuring any star on the opposing team from 1 to 5[/QUOTE]
:roll: He's injured 1 player his whole career. People act like he injured 10 guys

[QUOTE=UK2K]Great article.

One thing it Pointe out was Bev has been shooting 40% from deep in the past two months. Thats huge, because the Rockets like shooters as oh shit valves.[/QUOTE]

It's a horrible article.

Beverley is built for the playoffs? LOL he's played one series his entire ****ing career! :roll:

All I know is when Lin comes in the game against Westbrook and CP3, they seem to have easier time scoring