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SMH the people writing off lebron are probably the same people who wrote off MJ in 1994 for quitting on the bulls and playing baseball
"MJ is a quitter, doesnt have the heart to play"
:facepalm
Heck when MJ won 6 there was probably 1 fgt saying "Russell still has nearly twice the amount of rings"
Wear a goat costume for the rest of his life.
1993 Knicks 2nd best player was John Starks... You guys hype this as some UBER team.
"He'd have given them 45 in game 1 and had the Celtic crew shook in fear. '93 MJ is destroying Rondo, Pietrus, and old ass Pierce."
You guys are underrating everything else LeBron did...
It's not a coincedence that's its ranked 2nd on both GOAT Playoff Run Lists by ESPN.... 1991 MJ, then 2012 LeBron...
LMFAO at comparing his 54 to LeBron's 45/15/5 on 70% after like 3 Q's
To you Swish, you're probably the worst Stan on this board.
You call LeBron the 2nd Greatest Ever, yet trash him all the time, like I've seen you do with Kareem. :facepalm
You like MJ and no one else. Truly Kobetard-esque.
Oh and btw, Kareem > LeBron, Kareem is 1A/1B with MJ as GOAT.
[QUOTE=Beastmode88]Still won't erase 2011 and 2014.[/QUOTE]
lol well if he wins out it won't matter. If he just starts winning and wins like 8 titles straight who will care about those years? I think he has to at least 3 peat in order to be considered... and that'll give him a b2b and a 3 peat. Good but not great. 4 peat and we're really close. 5 peat and he's GOAT imo.
Of course, it's hard to cross compare, but his resume if he 5 peated would be GOATie.
-Smak
Realistically he's not ending up GOAT...probably go down top 5 though
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater][B]No, no... 2012 LeBron is twice the scorer 1996-1998 MJ is, get real.[/B]
Nope, I said 1993 MJ MIGHT win in 2012.. Probably not, though.
He isn't replicating LeBron's Game 6[/QUOTE]
he really isn't.. he got owned in 'scoring' by Durant in game 1 of the finals and then redeemed himself with great passing to shooters and cutters. That's why they won.. spurs forced LeBron to score and not pass and he froze up both times. MJ >>> as a scorer.
win 2 more rings and 2 more mvp's
[QUOTE=houston][B]win 2 more rings[/B] and 2 more mvp's[/QUOTE]
:biggums: he'd be 4/10 in the finals
[QUOTE=dubeta]SMH the people writing off lebron are probably the same people who wrote off MJ in 1994 for quitting on the bulls and playing baseball
"MJ is a quitter, doesnt have the heart to play"
:facepalm
Heck when MJ won 6 there was probably 1 fgt saying "Russell still has nearly twice the amount of rings"[/QUOTE]
will u still play basketball if ur dad dead suddenly :confusedshrug:
and playing baseball is his dad's dream,why not :banana:
he can't do anything.
his game is way too ugly.
he's 2/5.
he lacks skill and fundamentals.
he's a ring chaser (at a young age which is unheard of for a superstar).
he doesn't dominate in the face of adversity.
his assists are less than impressive - most of them consist of driving and kicking to a three point shooter... give me a break.
and last but not least, his fan base is just terrible.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater][B]No, no... 2012 LeBron is twice the scorer 1996-1998 MJ is, get real.
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Nope, I said 1993 MJ MIGHT win in 2012.. Probably not, though.
He isn't replicating LeBron's Game 6[/QUOTE]
One of the dumbest things said on ISH right here, folks
completely disrespectful. If you hate MJ, just say it, there's a lot of people that do just that.
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[QUOTE=tpols]he really isn't.. he got owned in 'scoring' by Durant in game 1 of the finals and then redeemed himself with great passing to shooters and cutters. That's why they won.. spurs forced LeBron to score and not pass and he froze up both times. MJ >>> as a scorer.[/QUOTE]
And MJ got owned in 'scoring' by SHAWN KEMP in game 1 of the finals... and in game 2 AGAIN.. AND game 4... and in game 6 by Detlef Schrempf. What kind of bullshit argument is that?
1991-1993 MJ = GOAT Scorer... 1996-1998 MJ = Volume Scorer.
LeBron in 2012 was at his peak, and easily could have averaged 32+...
He scored 40 and 45 in the 2 biggest games of the season ffs.
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Back to this... Why wouldn't MJ win in 2006?
I mean, LeBron had a 3-2 lead on the Pistons in the ECSF, but couldn't close it out.
Game 6 at home, lost by 2 while LeBron goes for 32 on 40%. Get blown out in Game 7.
Who's to say MJ can't closen the deal? He would own Wade in the ECF... Heat and Mavericks weren't all that better. You think he lets Dirk beat him in the Final? DIRK?
This is MJ we're talking about here... the GOAT. The guy who in HIS 3rd year averaged 37 ppg...
The reasons for the 'chips from 2007-2010 are there as you know... MJ would have done everything a bit better, perfected it, just enough to make up for what all were close losses.
So to fix for accuracy:
Replace LeBron with MJ on the Cavaliers 2004-2010:
2010: Ring
2009: Ring
2008: Ring
2007: Ring
2006: Ring
Can we agree that MJ would have pulled off a 5-peat on the 2006-2010 Cavaliers?
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That shot is so underrated.. Only like 1 clip of it on YouTube.
This shot changed EVERYTHING. Arguably the biggest of his career. Who knows who things pan out if he misses it.
[QUOTE=ArbitraryWater]That shot is so underrated.. Only like 1 clip of it on YouTube.
This shot changed EVERYTHING. Arguably the biggest of his career. Who knows who things pan out if he misses it.[/QUOTE]
Bulls defense was suffocating LA. They still would have won the series without this shot.
[QUOTE=Prometheus]Bulls defense was suffocating LA. They still would have won the series without this shot.[/QUOTE]
You never know how things pan out down 1-2 with 2 road games coming up... Criticial.
But MJ made it and the rest is history :applause:
kill himself
because he's just going to continue ruinning his reputation if allowed to go on
Lebron is to Barry Bonds, as colluding is to steroids.
Both are disqualified for GOAT talk.
7 rings would seal it
Go back in time and kill Baby Michael Jordan.:confusedshrug: Oh and KAJ too
His window to become the GOAT has passed. Unless he magically becomes substantially better in his next couple years.
[QUOTE=Magic 32]Too late.
Bird = 7 (1980, 1982, 1983, 1985, 1988, 1990, 1991)
Duncan = 6 (2001, 2004, 2006, 2009, 2011, 2012)
Kareem = 5 (1973, 1974, 1977, 1981, 1986)
Shaq = 5 (1994, 1995, 2004, 2005, 2010)
Wilt = 5 (1961, 1966, 1968, 1969, 1973)
Oscar = 4 (1962, 1965, 1973, 1974)
Magic = 4 (1981, 1986, 1990, 1996)
Lebron = 3 (2009, 2010, 2011, 2013*)
Hakeem = 2 (1985, 1987)
Kobe = 2 (2004, 2011)
Russell = 1 (1958)
[B]MJ = 0[/B]
*Jesus saves
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Dumbest criteria ever. Kobe's 2006 choke is worse than most losses on this list, and his inability to win regular season games shows how average he is.
Dude has the same number of rings won as the alpha as D-Wade: 1.
[QUOTE=Nowitness]Dumbest criteria ever. Kobe's 2006 choke is worse than most losses on this list, and his inability to win regular season games shows how average he is.
Dude has the same number of rings won as the alpha as D-Wade: 1.[/QUOTE]
It aint worse than Lebrons 2007 finals by far the worst ever by a superstars and then you have 2011.
[QUOTE=MadSolar]It aint worse than Lebrons 2007 finals by far the worst ever by a superstars and then you have 2011.[/QUOTE]
the numbers lebron put up in 2007 and 2011 were actually better than Kobe's 2000 and 2004, arguably 2002 also :oldlol:
[QUOTE=dubeta]the numbers lebron put up in 2007 and 2011 were actually better than Kobe's 2000 and 2004, arguably 2002 also :oldlol:[/QUOTE]
Nah aint nobodys worse then Lebron 07 finals that Niqqa avgd like 20 ppg on 34 FG% with like 10 TO per game
He would need the legacies of at least 20 other former players to somehow be erased from memory.
he can never be the GOAT. he is the 2nd GOAT though
[QUOTE=red1]he can never be the GOAT. he is the 2nd GOAT though[/QUOTE]
Not even. Its
#1 MJ
#2 KAJ
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#11 Lebron James
[QUOTE=MadSolar]Not even. Its
#1 MJ
#2 KAJ
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#11 Lebron James[/QUOTE]
maybe not at the moment but lets be real for a moment shall we
1. mj
2. lbj
3. kaj
[QUOTE=red1]maybe not at the moment but [B]lets be real for a moment[/B] shall we
1. mj
2. [B]lbj[/B]
3. kaj[/QUOTE]
Waiting on you.
[QUOTE=Meticode]Winning 1 title with Cleveland puts him into the top 5 by the end of his career. It's epicness.[/QUOTE]
We aren't talking top 5, we are talking GOAT.
To be GOAT, if Bron could win 4 titles in Cleveland and be the dominating force that Jordan was displaying killer instinct at any cost and rising above all, then yes, he is GOAT. Let's worry about it when it actually happens, if it ever happens and stop the day dreaming.