Bird and Lebron passing video

[QUOTE=LeBird]And yet despite the fact that Bird, unlike Lebron, wasn't a de-facto PG he still put up comparable assist numbers.[/QUOTE]

What these Lebron stans fail to realize is that Bird didn't dominate the ball yet averaged the same apg as Lebron who routinely plays PG. :rolleyes:

[QUOTE=LeBird]And yet despite the fact that Bird, unlike Lebron, wasn't a de-facto PG he still put up comparable assist numbers.[/QUOTE]

For starters, I concede that Bird's and Bron's vision are equal. I feel they are right at the top of non-PG's passers EVER! But LOOK AT WHO BIRD WAS PASSING TO IN HIS CAREER! I can counter your argument with that! Bird was passing to Mchale, Parish, Ainge, DJ, Walton, etc. Bird played on some of the most STACKED TEAMS OF ALL TIME! Lebron HASN'T had the luxury in his career. Bird was a point forward who u can still run an offense through. For me it's not about assists numbers with Bird and Bron anyway. Because I feel their vision is equal. THE POINT COMES DOWN TO A MATTER OF TASTE! I feel Bron has PG handle, pace, and can run a better fast break. Bron is arguably the best slasher and most athletic player of all time. With sick passing skills. I feel this makes Bron THE MORE VERSATILE PASSER OVER BIRD!

These are the reasons that your argument is a mute point buddy! Bird touched the ball plenty of times on Boston. Wanna know why! Because Bird was ALWAYS THE BEST PASSER ON HIS TEAMS! But the difference is Bird was an awesome stationary passer and SUDDEN PASSER! Bron can do that AND BREAK DOWN A DEFENSE WITH HANDLES AS GOOD AS ANYBODY. But Bird was gonna touch the rock PLENTY OF TIMES ANYWAY BECAUSE OF HIS SKILLS! So he was gonna MAKE THE RIGHT BASKETBALL PLAY ANYWAY! Hell Wilt led the league in assists one year. So assist numbers are very important. But typically, guys with great handles and pace in their games can hurt with the pass more ways than guys like Wilt and Bird. Who aren't suited to be point guards. Even though Bird has a good a vision as anybody. U HAVE TO FACTOR ABILITY TO BREAK DOWN DEFENSES AND RUN FAST BREAKS WHEN IT COMES TO PASSING!

When it comes to guys who have equal vision, it comes down to a matter of taste. For me, Bron puts MORE PRESSURE on the defense with his passing than Bird. It's similar to Magic over Bird in terms of passing. There's a reason why MOST OF THE GREAT PASSERS OF ALL TIME ARE PG's (Magic, Cousy, Big O, Isiah, Nash, Stockton, CP3, Rondo, Tiny, Mark Jackson). Or guys capable of playing PG (Bron, Pippen, MJ). Bird is the exception to the rule I admit and is one of the truly great passers of all time though.

[QUOTE=Asukal]What these Lebron stans fail to realize is that Bird didn't dominate the ball yet averaged the same apg as Lebron who routinely plays PG. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]
Them touch passes :bowdown:

Its funny. I'm going to guess, and be quite generous in saying that maybe 10% has gone out of their way to watch a whole Larry Bird game, or was around at the time to watch his games, yet nearly everyone on the board can give us an expert analysis on how he was a better passer than Lebron.

lol...

[QUOTE=LeBird]And yet despite the fact that Bird, unlike Lebron, wasn't a de-facto PG he still put up comparable assist numbers.[/QUOTE]


most likely a combo of playing with better finishers (lebron missed a ton of assist on the Cavs because of the inability of people being able to finish around the basket outside of verajao) and a faster/more wide open pace.

[QUOTE=Asukal]What these Lebron stans fail to realize is that Bird didn't dominate the ball yet averaged the same apg as Lebron who routinely plays PG. :rolleyes:[/QUOTE]

But YET Bird touched the ball plenty of times though. Because he's was the BEST SF of all time. And everybody knew he was an epic passer. Which means he still played as a point forward caliber player. So he had plenty of opportunities to drop dimes. The main difference is Bird did most of his damage from a stationary position or a sudden pass. U can't fault Lebron because he has PG handles, is a freakish athlete, and as epic vision. It's a matter of taste because both had equal vision. U might prefer Bird to be your SF because he's a great shooter and passer in one. Which makes for epic floor spacing and execution. I might prefer Bron cause he's more versatile and CAN ACTUALLY PLAY THE PG POSITION FLAT OUT! Bird had the ball enough in his hands to drop six dimes a game. U gotta touch the ball alot from the SF-PF position to amass those kind of numbers. Don't make it seem like Bird didn't have that damn rock in his hands plenty of times. And once again, Bird ALSO had more HOF type guys to pass to than Lebron. Line up the rosters Bird played with compared to Bron's teams. I can counter your Bron dominance with the ball argument with that.

[QUOTE=Hoopz2332]most likely a combo of playing with better finishers (lebron missed a ton of assist on the Cavs because of the inability of people being able to finish around the basket outside of verajao) and a faster/more wide open pace.[/QUOTE]

Right on the money! Bird played with McHale, Chief, Walton, Ainge, DJ, Tiny. U got five HOFers and an underrated All-Star. Bird had more talent to pass to than Bron typically. Once Bron got around HOF type guys like Wade and Bosh, u see that he's getting the rings like Bird used to.

[B]For the people talking about Bird playing with more talent around, just 3 things:

-You've mentioned McHale (who did most of his work in the post "by himself" though, and only started to play over 30 mpg in 1984), Parish (said once that at least 5000 of his points should be "credited" to Bird), Walton (only played for one season with the Celtics and although good was not remotely close to the same), Tiny (after a ruptured achilles and a torn one, old, as a shell with the Celtics), DJ (past his peak, last 3/4 prime years with the Celtics), Ainge (3 prime years with the Celtics)... In 1986 when McHale was injured, Bird put up like 6 triple-doubles in a month, for example. And with this I'm not denying that Bird played with better players at the start of their careers (although, don't forget, Bird improved the Celtics by 32 wins with the same roster, no Parish or McHale yet, 80s had more stacked teams to go against, and he made a lot of players what they were lets say, turning some into HoF'ers).
Well, the majority of those guys there worked inside, or, say, the guys that were scoring the most. Bird had to pass to more crowded areas to get them easy buckets, also considering that, on the regular, the paint and near areas were more crowded back then.

-Lets forget to mention that Lebron played with way more/better 3pt shooters, across his career, than Bird, players like Mo Williams, Ray-Ray, Boobie Gibson, Battier, Szczerbiak, Mike Miller, Damon Jones, Chalmers..... Those guys help to space the floor and clear more the inside and surroundings making it easy to find the open man there, and they are pretty much always waiting behind the line, also making it easy to drive-and-dish, especially for a player like Lebron who demands double teams and can/is willing to pass.
At his best, the only legit 3pt threat Bird had around was Ainge, and that's for like 3 years.
Current "rules" also help with some of the above.
And Lebron is pretty much always his team's PG, Bird was getting pretty much the same number of assists without being the main ball-handler and with lower USG%. And you want to mention pace (like 10% higher only though), point is null: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1M--HaINA[/url]

-Why didn't Lebron's passing numbers went up after he joined Wade, Bosh and so on? In fact, they weren't as high as in his Cleveland days.[/B]

Lberon off the dribble pass

[b]LeBron dish for Melo Three [/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_SyjG2buzFs[/url]

:coleman:

[QUOTE=SHAQisGOAT][B]For the people talking about Bird playing with more talent around, just 3 things:

-You've mentioned McHale (who did most of his work in the post "by himself" though, and only started to play over 30 mpg in 1984), Parish (said once that at least 5000 of his points should be "credited" to Bird), Walton (only played for one season with the Celtics and although good was not remotely close to the same), Tiny (after a ruptured achilles and a torn one, old, as a shell with the Celtics), DJ (past his peak, last 3/4 prime years with the Celtics), Ainge (3 prime years with the Celtics)... In 1986 when McHale was injured, Bird put up like 6 triple-doubles in a month, for example. And with this I'm not denying that Bird played with better players at the start of their careers (although, don't forget, Bird improved the Celtics by 32 wins with the same roster, no Parish or McHale yet, 80s had more stacked teams to go against, and he made a lot of players what they were lets say, turning some into HoF'ers).
Well, the majority of those guys there worked inside, or, say, the guys that were scoring the most. Bird had to pass to more crowded areas to get them easy buckets, also considering that, on the regular, the paint and near areas were more crowded back then.

-Lets forget to mention that Lebron played with way more/better 3pt shooters, across his career, than Bird, players like Mo Williams, Ray-Ray, Boobie Gibson, Battier, Szczerbiak, Mike Miller, Damon Jones, Chalmers..... Those guys help to space the floor and clear more the inside and surroundings making it easy to find the open man there, and they are pretty much always waiting behind the line, also making it easy to drive-and-dish, especially for a player like Lebron who demands double teams and can/is willing to pass.
At his best, the only legit 3pt threat Bird had around was Ainge, and that's for like 3 years.
Current "rules" also help with some of the above.
And Lebron is pretty much always his team's PG, Bird was getting pretty much the same number of assists without being the main ball-handler and with lower USG%. And you want to mention pace (like 10% higher only though), point is null: [url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po1M--HaINA[/url]

-Why didn't Lebron's passing numbers went up after he joined Wade, Bosh and so on? In fact, they weren't as high as in his Cleveland days.[/B][/QUOTE]

U make good points. But Bird STILL TOUCHED THE ROCK ENOUGH FOR A SF-PF to average all of those assists. Bird was still the best passer on his team most of the time. Other than the years he played with Tiny possibly. So as I've stated in this post, its a matter of taste. I don't wanna hear that Lebron dominated the ball because he played PG or de facto PG. Bird was so great at passing he was considered a point forward. So it's a matter of taste. Bird touched the ball plenty enough to dominate a game passing. Just like Lebron. They just did it in a different fashion.

And IT DOES MAKE A DIFFERENCE with Bird playing with those great HOFers. Teams couldn't just load up on Bird WITHOUT PAYING THE PRICE! When u loaded up on Bron all those years, who did Bron have other than Bosh and Wade? Sure Bron had shooters. But guys like Parish, McHale, and Walton played closer to the hoop. Which means MORE HIGHER PERCENTAGE OPPORTUNITIES!! And Bron could make those Bird type of passes too into tight areas. But could Bird dominate OFF THE DRIBBLE the way Bron does. HELL NO!! It's a matter of taste once again because their vision is equal in my book. For me, give me the more versatile passer in Lebron. But I'm not gonna argue too hard if one thinks Bird. But DON'T give me that Lebron plays like a PG so he dominates the ball shit! Bird touched the ball plenty of times as well to do the damage he did. If the vision is equal, it's PERFECTLY LOGICAL for me to prefer Bron becasue he's a MORE VERSATILE PASSER! It's not simply about Bron dominating the ball. It COMES DOWN TO LEBRON'S PASSING SKILLSET!!!

Yall see that sick nolooker Lebron hit Birdman with towards the end of the 2nd qtr tonight vs the Bulls?:eek: Birdman got fouled on the play so no assist:coleman:

[QUOTE=Hoopz2332]Yall see that sick nolooker Lebron hit Birdman with towards the end of the 2nd qtr tonight vs the Bulls?:eek: Birdman got fouled on the play so no assist:coleman:[/QUOTE]

Very nice. Birdman lost the ball or got fouled. I couldn't see well enough, but it was a sick pass. He had a few really nice passes last night.

His more "basic" pass to Birdman fooled the hell out of Butler:oldlol: Butler thought that pass was going to Ray Allen for the 3.


[b]LeBron's SPECTACULAR No-Look Feed to Birdman[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBy3Mg1ws4[/url]

[QUOTE=Hoopz2332]His more "basic" pass to Birdman fooled the hell out of Butler:oldlol: Butler thought that pass was going to Ray Allen for the 3.


[b]LeBron's SPECTACULAR No-Look Feed to Birdman[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hTBy3Mg1ws4[/url][/QUOTE]

I actually thought his bounce pass to Wade through traffic in the first half was better.

[QUOTE=jlip]I actually thought his bounce pass to Wade through traffic in the first half was better.[/QUOTE]

agreed

..I ran across this gem with lebron and Iverson

[b]LeBron James: Allen Iverson is 'true warrior' *AI & LBJ Connections in NBA All Star 2005 - YouTube[/b]

[url]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOqXWnEYYWI[/url]

@ :11 sec in lebron does a back handed bounce pass:biggums: