To prove my point; put mj in lebrons situations and they lose even worse. People put mj into some category where he can be expected to carry d league caliber players like the cavs and heat.
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To prove my point; put mj in lebrons situations and they lose even worse. People put mj into some category where he can be expected to carry d league caliber players like the cavs and heat.
the bruh is trying to say that lebron in the current east has it tough while jordan facing off vs bird's celtics and the bad boy pistons had it easy
:oldlol: I'm done
2 more all-star MVPs and 2 more Christmas MVPs will get him GOAT status. :bowdown:
[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]I think when you look at the overall competition from this era to jordans era, you can notice how they contrast. Today, competition is tough, players train their entire lives with the most highest degree of technology and info. Back then, although it was tough, competition was easier to a certain extent where there wasn't a high intensity compared to today. Athletes are stronger, faster, tougher today and would have a field day back then. People won't qualify lebron as GOAT based on these principles that jordan has set back then. The game has changed, we can't expect lebron to earn 6 rings in a superstar era, where guys back then have no chance in.[/QUOTE]
The biggest knock on the 80's and 90's versus today, imo, is the lack of international players. The talent pool today is deeper than ever before. A team like the modern Spurs would not exist in the 90's or 80's. Most of the Spurs' rotation is foreign; in 1994 and 1984 the Spurs had 0 international players. Today you have to compete against the world's best, not just America's best.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The biggest knock on the 80's and 90's versus today, imo, is the lack of international players. The talent pool today is deeper than ever before. A team like the modern Spurs would not exist in the 90's or 80's. Most of the Spurs' rotation is foreign; in 1994 and 1984 the Spurs had 0 international players. Today you have to compete against the world's best, not just America's best.[/QUOTE]
thats true too, good point.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The biggest knock on the 80's and 90's versus today, imo, is the lack of international players. The talent pool today is deeper than ever before. A team like the modern Spurs would not exist in the 90's or 80's. Most of the Spurs' rotation is foreign; in 1994 and 1984 the Spurs had 0 international players. Today you have to compete against the world's best, not just America's best.[/QUOTE]
The talent pool is so deep that the center position is considered dead. :applause:
[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]To prove my point; put mj in lebrons situations and they lose even worse. People put mj into some category where he can be expected to carry d league caliber players like the cavs and heat.[/QUOTE]
Sorry son, Heat win 4 straight titles with 26-30 year old MJ on that team instead of LeBron. With LeBron you get only 2.
Dirk and a old folkes squad of Spurs (maybe when Duncan was actually in his peak it would be fair series) aren't changing that.
In my opinion Lebron will never be as great as MJ because people don't fear him demanding the ball for a 7-8 minute stretch at the end of a close game, taking every shot and having an epic 4th quarter. Lebron is capable of that, of coarse, but MJ consistently stepped up in those moments.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The biggest knock on the 80's and 90's versus today, imo, is the lack of international players. The talent pool today is deeper than ever before. A team like the modern Spurs would not exist in the 90's or 80's. Most of the Spurs' rotation is foreign; in 1994 and 1984 the Spurs had 0 international players. Today you have to compete against the world's best, not just America's best.[/QUOTE]
That and the enormous gap in defensive rules. Back then the NBA was on shaky ground and wanted to prop up its best players and created rules designed to allow them to shine. The most efficient play in the game was ISO basketball. Now ISO ball loses to league avg by ~40-50 points/gm.
The game is completely different so it is VERY difficult to compare generations. Melo should have been born 25 years earlier. He would have been incredible. David Robinson should be playing in todays game. Both would be considered all time greats.
[QUOTE=HurricaneKid]That and the enormous gap in defensive rules. Back then the NBA was on shaky ground and wanted to prop up its best players and created rules designed to allow them to shine. The most efficient play in the game was ISO basketball. Now ISO ball loses to league avg by ~40-50 points/gm.
The game is completely different so it is VERY difficult to compare generations. Melo should have been born 25 years earlier. He would have been incredible. David Robinson should be playing in todays game. Both would be considered all time greats.[/QUOTE]
David Robinson is an all-time great.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The biggest knock on the 80's and 90's versus today, imo, is the lack of international players. The talent pool today is deeper than ever before.[/quote]
90's had european talent.
[quote=Roundball_Rock]A team like the modern Spurs would not exist in the 90's or 80's.[/quote]
Sure it would. The current Spurs play like a 80s or 90s basketball team. Predicated on ball movement, team fundamentals, and hitting open shots. Before the HS drafting craze of the late 90's and early 2000's ... you had groomed, intelligent, niche, but skilled role players in the NBA w/ coachability coming from elite college programs. Not one and done kids.
Skill sets, mentality the modern AAU programs negate.
It's the same difference. Our American born collegiate players provided those roles to a team that Europeans do now. Everyone in America grows up wanting to be a superstar now. That's why Pop said he likes drafting Euros.
He can build a team with parts that way.
[QUOTE=Lebronxrings]To prove my point; put mj in lebrons situations and they lose even worse. People put mj into some category where he can be expected to carry d league caliber players like the cavs and heat.[/QUOTE]
thats fair.
i think people raise valid points about the talent pool in todays game. expansion and the lack of global power the nba had is something you cannot argue.
todays spurs have ALL WORLD talent and would have likely made AND WON multiple finals in the 90s.
[QUOTE=Soundwave]Sorry son, Heat win 4 straight titles with 26-30 year old MJ on that team instead of LeBron. With LeBron you get only 2.
Dirk and a old folkes squad of Spurs (maybe when Duncan was actually in his peak it would be fair series) aren't changing that.[/QUOTE]
the heat with jordan lose to the spurs in both years. Stop overrating jordan and underrating pop the genius.
[QUOTE=Roundball_Rock]The biggest knock on the 80's and 90's versus today, imo, is the lack of international players. The talent pool today is deeper than ever before. A team like the modern Spurs would not exist in the 90's or 80's. Most of the Spurs' rotation is foreign; in 1994 and 1984 the Spurs had 0 international players. Today you have to compete against the world's best, not just America's best.[/QUOTE]
True, but the center position, as somebody mentioned, is dead. The rules have also hindered defenses (especially on the perimeter). I do agree that this years Spurs team would be great in ANY era, and could possibly win titles in the 90's.
[QUOTE=russwest0]:oldlol: I'm done[/QUOTE]
God how I wish this were the case